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Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-23 07:20:11 and read 5260 times.

When airlines charge for alcoholic drinks, what is your impression?

I find that many find it petty.

Others see it as a necessity.

And then there are those who think it keeps air rage incidents down.

People get very angry when they are charged for it, which leads me to believe that they really need a drink bad.

What are your opinions?

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Halophila
Posted 2006-03-23 08:29:13 and read 5233 times.

Personally (just my opinion here), I don't mind paying so long as the drinks are hearty - I think nobody would agree to paying $5-7 for a can of bud or coor's. The best value I've found was on HA, who have a really good Mai Tai mix, which i feel is every bit worth the $7.

But to be honest when AA started to charge for soft drinks too (e.g. $1 per coke), I paid that too - what is $1 these days anyway?

In short, I don't mind, so long as the ticket prices are cheap! But I have to say flying in a QANTAS DASH-8 domestically in Australia, when offered full, free, drink service, I became a loyal customer...

Halophila

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Bill142
Posted 2006-03-23 09:07:13 and read 5214 times.

Quoting Halophila (Reply 1):
In short, I don't mind, so long as the ticket prices are cheap! But I have to say flying in a QANTAS DASH-8 domestically in Australia, when offered full, free, drink service, I became a loyal customer...

Usually of QF domestic services you have to pay except for City Flyer services after 4pm on weekdays. That could have changed tho I'm not sure.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Halophila
Posted 2006-03-23 09:10:59 and read 5211 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2):
That could have changed tho I'm not sure.

This was on a 1.5 h sector on Sunstate (QF's regional subsidiary in Queensland) from GLT to BNE. I was astonished when they came around with the drinks trolley about 10 mins into the flight, and endulged in a nice bottle of shiraz! But then I felt guilty because the fare (not including taxes) was around AUD32 each way - they couldn't possibly be making a profit on me!

Best
Halophila

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FXramper
Posted 2006-03-23 09:18:48 and read 5203 times.

The only time I had to pay for drinks in any class cabin was AUS-LAS on WN and I was glad to do it. We were in the absolute last row of the a/c. It was myself and 4 of my mates on my cycling team and we were going to a week long convention on cycling and sales. The flight attendant was super nice, realized we were together, drunk, and having a good time and took care of us. Tipped her $50, only time I've ever tipped flight staff.

I think the majority of foreign carriers operating routes to N. America and return do not charge for drinks in any class. Has been the case for me on LH, AF, KL, and JL.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirplaneDork
Posted 2006-03-23 10:08:15 and read 5169 times.

Alcoholic beverages typically cost more than soft drinks or other kinds of drinks to begin with; perhaps the airlines see soft drinks, coffee, juice, etc. as a more expendable supply that is rolled into the ticket price. I believe most US airlines provide free alcoholic beverages in first class/business class.

I have always like WN's prices for alcohol. Getting a Tanqueray and tonic for $4 versus paying $5 for a can of beer on AA (which I unfortunately have done, not knowing beforehand that it cost that much).

Halophila, when did AA start charging for soft drinks? I flew them in December and only paid for beer, the soft drinks were free.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Jetpixx
Posted 2006-03-23 11:49:54 and read 5121 times.

I drink and have no problem with airlines charging for alcoholic beverages. I mean, if you cannot go a few hours or so without booze - then you should have to pay an exorbitant fee for it. Some people drink to calm their nerves, too, because they do not like to fly. Again - pay the fee.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Nzrich
Posted 2006-03-23 13:15:16 and read 5075 times.

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 6):
I drink and have no problem with airlines charging for alcoholic beverages. I mean, if you cannot go a few hours or so without booze - then you should have to pay an exorbitant fee for it. Some people drink to calm their nerves, too, because they do not like to fly. Again - pay the fee.

Personally i dont mind paying for alcohol on one condition ..The fare is cheaper than the airline that serves it for free!!!!

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: TPAnx
Posted 2006-03-23 13:52:56 and read 5043 times.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
The flight attendant was super nice, realized we were together, drunk, and having a good time and took care of us. Tipped her $50, only time I've ever tipped flight staff.

Thought it was was a no-no for staff to accept cash. Anyone from WN who can clarify?
 Confused

TPAnx

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2006-03-23 16:00:41 and read 4995 times.

I agree that in coach, on any flight, one should have to pay reasonable amounts for alcoholic beverages but soft drinks should be free. Charging US $3-5 per 12 oz/330 ml beer or $4-6 for a mixed drink isn't and shouldn't be an issue.
Many people don't drink for personal or religious reasons and some who do drink will drink excessively when it is free. By making people pay for it, you keep reduce excess consumption and you hold down costs to the airline. Even in 1st class/biz class, they should limit the access and service of alcoholic beverages to reduce problems and to hold down fares. Don't forget too that many drink before they get on their flight due to fear of flying, to put them to sleep or just because they have a problem with their use of alcohol.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-03-23 16:46:57 and read 4937 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
By making people pay for it, you keep reduce excess consumption and you hold down costs to the airline.

Having flown as a crew member for over 20 years, there is no question, drinking patterns and alcoholic consumption has changed considerably over the years. Overall, consumption is down, as has the trend for "hard" spirits in favor of beer and wine. I completely support AC's policy of comp drinks on international services which keeps our product competitive. I'm amazed that US carriers such as CO and AA charge for drinks on routes where they compete with major international carriers who still offer free drinks.

There is obviously the odd customer who tends to "overdo" it, but I haven't dealt with an overly intoxicated customer for years. Seems that WN gets them all!!

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-03-23 17:07:19 and read 4921 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Thought it was was a no-no for staff to accept cash

I thought so too. I think it is most airlines' policy.

As far as paying for alcohol, I think is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is having passengers pay for soft drinks. The original intent of offering food/drinks onboard was to make the flying experience more pleasant, part of the customer service. However, as of late, airlines are just using these excuses to save money and stop offering food/drinks. I have yet to find a significant difference in price between the airline that does offer complimentary drinks vs. the one that does not. How ironic it is that company execs get paid millions while "trying" to save money.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FlyGuyClt
Posted 2006-03-23 17:32:52 and read 4901 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
People get very angry when they are charged for it, which leads me to believe that they really need a drink bad.

Just the people you want to have drink on the airplane.

Are you sure you are in the business?

Safe Flying  Smile

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Khobar
Posted 2006-03-23 18:14:55 and read 4871 times.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
The flight attendant was super nice, realized we were together, drunk, and having a good time and took care of us. Tipped her $50, only time I've ever tipped flight staff.

Did you pay WN $3-$5 per drink, get drunk, and then tip the FA $50?

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
I agree that in coach, on any flight, one should have to pay reasonable amounts for alcoholic beverages but soft drinks should be free. Charging US $3-5 per 12 oz/330 ml beer or $4-6 for a mixed drink isn't and shouldn't be an issue.

Why is $3-$5 for beer or $4-$6 (or more) for mixed drinks reasonable when that's about 6 times its cost? Doesn't sound the least bit reasonable to me. (I'm reminded of my youthful days in Italy when a litre of beer was cheaper than a can of Coke).

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: NWOrientDC10
Posted 2006-03-23 18:51:51 and read 4831 times.

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 6):
I drink and have no problem with airlines charging for alcoholic beverages. I mean, if you cannot go a few hours or so without booze - then you should have to pay an exorbitant fee for it. Some people drink to calm their nerves, too, because they do not like to fly. Again - pay the fee.

Agreed. Alcoholic beverages are not a necessity. If need be, hold off on the booze until you arrive to wherever it is you're going.

Good Day  Smile

Russell

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Halophila
Posted 2006-03-23 21:59:19 and read 4754 times.

Quoting AirplaneDork (Reply 5):
Halophila, when did AA start charging for soft drinks? I flew them in December and only paid for beer, the soft drinks were free.

I believe it was a trial run on American Eagle, not American Airlines (sorry). It was on a flight from LAX to SJC... from my understanding it was a pilot program, and it didn't last long!

Halophila

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Letsgetwet
Posted 2006-03-23 23:16:30 and read 4716 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 11):
However, as of late, airlines are just using these excuses to save money and stop offering food/drinks

I guess you must live under a rock. For your information, just about every major airline in the US is or was in chapter 11 bankruptcy. That means they are not making any $$ ! Charging a reasonable fee for alcoholic drinks is not an excuse to make $$ it is MEANT to make $$. Airlines are supposed to make $$. If they keep giving everything away for free (including the fares) they will no longer be here soon.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2006-03-23 23:27:15 and read 4700 times.

Wasn't it stated here at a.net recently that airlines receive their soft drinks for free?

I do know, however, that food and alcohol costs $$$$$$$.

If you're flying first class and the airline includes that in your price, then fine. But getting it free in coach? I don't understand how people can expect that every time.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Jetstar
Posted 2006-03-23 23:51:44 and read 4675 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):
Wasn't it stated here at a.net recently that airlines receive their soft drinks for free?

I highly doubt the airlines get their soft drinks for free, considering the volume they use daily.

In all probability there are incentives paid back to the airline to feature their products. This is typical in other areas as well like stadiums and other high volume consumption areas.

I know that AA uses both Coke and Pepsi products and either one would love to be the exclusive supplier, I am sure that AA plays one against the other for the best deals.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: 767ER
Posted 2006-03-24 00:56:46 and read 4646 times.

The only time i have paid for booze was on UA LAX SFO $5 for a glass...sorry plastic cup.....of wine.

Since I usually fly Long Haul the booze is cheap. I never drink spirits when flying.....get intoxicated too quickly though the odd G&T is nice after a stressful airport experience.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-03-24 04:51:57 and read 4600 times.

I commend all of the employees of their respective (US) carriers for supporting their company policies.

I agree that a great flight should not be determined by amount of alcohol consumed, but frankly it puts them at a product-competitive disadvantage against the BA's, VS's, AF's, etc.

Check out feedback on the "Skytrax" website--www.airlinequality.com. It is the most frequently voiced bone of contention, by customers travelling on US carriers, internationally.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2006-03-24 05:02:55 and read 4591 times.

I have 2 problems with airlines charging for alcoholic drinks

1) If other airlines provide them free, yet provide the same level of service, at a similar price, why should I book with the ones that don't?
2) It's a real nuisance, trying to find the right money - it's not exactly easy trying to eat money out of your pocket when sitting down in economy class!

And for those who suggest there's something wrong with those people who 'demand liquor' on their flights, on a long haul flight, when you're on a plane for hour after hour, it's very nice to have a glass of wine with your meal, or a G&T, and to suggest that such small amounts of drink will create air rage is nonsense!

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-03-24 05:03:46 and read 4589 times.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 13):
The flight attendant was super nice, realized we were together, drunk, and having a good time and took care of us. Tipped her $50, only time I've ever tipped flight staff.

Did you pay WN $3-$5 per drink, get drunk, and then tip the FA $50?

very nice... a bit on the odd side, but nice

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 6):
I drink and have no problem with airlines charging for alcoholic beverages. I mean, if you cannot go a few hours or so without booze - then you should have to pay an exorbitant fee for it. Some people drink to calm their nerves, too, because they do not like to fly. Again - pay the fee.

I fully agree with that. There are people who drink simply to get drunk/drink multiple beers/glasses of wine/etc simply because they cannot do without it, and they should definitely pay more for that. There are those who, like you said, have one beer or glass of wine to calm them down when they fly. I just have alcohol just for the pleasure and the taste. I flew out of PHL on WN 1531 bound for PIT, and I treated myself to a glass of chardonnay for the hell of it. I paid $4. If I were to go to the Olive Garden, it would have been $5.50 per glass or something in the ballpark...

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: MiCorazonAzul
Posted 2006-03-24 05:36:23 and read 4567 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
When airlines charge for alcoholic drinks, what is your impression?

I find that many find it petty.

Uh, don't you pay for drinks at bars/clubs? I don't see why airlines should be any different.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-03-24 05:41:24 and read 4565 times.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 23):
Uh, don't you pay for drinks at bars/clubs? I don't see why airlines should be any different.

Again, agreed

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-24 15:34:39 and read 4506 times.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 23):
Uh, don't you pay for drinks at bars/clubs? I don't see why airlines should be any different

Micorazonazul, I never said that it was petty. Reread what I said "I find that MANY find it petty. Not me, but MANY.

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 12):
Are you sure you are in the business?

Yeah..... But I don't get what you are getting at?

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 21):
it's very nice to have a glass of wine with your meal, or a G&T,

Funny how I find that most that say they need a glass of wine with their meal are from the United Kingdom. Not trying to jab or anything, but I have been encountering the same comment over and over again from the same group.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-03-24 15:51:08 and read 4496 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 25):
Funny how I find that most that say they need a glass of wine with their meal are from the United Kingdom. Not trying to jab or anything, but I have been encountering the same comment over and over again from the same group.

And Americans are notorious for consuming copious amounts of sugary, caffeine-laced soda pop with breakfast....so what's your point?

Just because the majority of US carriers are nickel and diming their customers on highly competitive international routes, does not mean, that just because it's offered, it's going to be abused.

Nobody "needs" a glass of wine with a meal, no more than somebody "needs" a coke. It simply complements it.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-24 15:58:13 and read 4488 times.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
And Americans are notorious for consuming copious amounts of sugary, caffeine-laced soda pop with breakfast....so what's your point?

Good for you! You find a way to bash Americans. Happy?

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
Just because the majority of US carriers are nickel and diming their customers on highly competitive international routes, does not mean, that just because it's offered, it's going to be abused.

Who the hell ever said that? Got to love assumptions. And excuse me, but AC is a big fan of nickel and diming their customers.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
Nobody "needs" a glass of wine with a meal, no more than somebody "needs" a coke. It simply complements it.

It complements it for those who find it complementing. It is an opinion as not everyone drinks alcohol.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-03-24 16:05:26 and read 4481 times.

No more than you're generalizing about customers from the UK.

Happy to offer our customers complementary alcohol internationally, and complementary headsests system-wide.
In fact, Americans are some of our most appreciative customers for these very reasons. We've all seen the evolution of the product within the NORTH AMERICAN market place.

And personally I cringe over the nickel and diming on the domestic pillow and blanket kit that we sell domestically.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-24 16:17:11 and read 4456 times.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 28):
No more than you're generalizing about customers from the UK.

I generalized a certain comment made often by a certain group.

You on the other hand stated that "Americans are notorious for..." . But hey, it is very popular to be anti-American these days. So follow the rest of the lemmings off the cliff.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 28):
Happy to offer our customers complementary alcohol internationally, and complementary headsests system-wide.

Apples and oranges. Canada has one MAJOR international carrier and two smaller LCCS. AC has to stay afloat, and the Canadian government will never let them go.

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-03-24 16:20:15 and read 4453 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):
I guess you must live under a rock. For your information, just about every major airline in the US is or was in chapter 11 bankruptcy. That means they are not making any $$ ! Charging a reasonable fee for alcoholic drinks is not an excuse to make $$ it is MEANT to make $$. Airlines are supposed to make $$. If they keep giving everything away for free (including the fares) they will no longer be here soon.

Flying about hundreds of times yearly for both business and leisure, I would harshly classify myself as being "under a rock". I understand quite well the difficult times of the airline industry post-9/11, however, I doubt that serving complimentary drinks would be the sole reason of an airline going belly-up. It was never the intent of an airline to make money off of food/beverages, but rather to distinguish one airline from the other vis a vis customer service. Do you really see a fare difference between those airlines that charge for drinks/food vs. the ones that don't? I doubt it. I was merely pointing out the fact that airlines who "supposedly" want to take cost-cutting measures by eliminating drink/food should also focus on reducing their execs bonuses/severence packages. Now, you're talking about charging extra for certain rows in coach....what's next? charge to go to the bathroom? get a grip!

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FlyGuyClt
Posted 2006-03-24 16:42:51 and read 4438 times.

[quote=AA767400,reply=25]Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 12):
Are you sure you are in the business?

Yeah..... But I don't get what you are getting at?[/quot

You said "people get angry" when they have to pay.

I say. Yeah that sure is the type of person I want drinking on my airplane. Already angry and not one drink. Oh boy, how will they act once they start?

My question? Are you in the business? Meaning in plain English. I am shocked you would want to feed liquor to an angry passenger.

Safe and Sober Flying  Smile

Topic: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-24 16:55:27 and read 4426 times.

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 31):
My question? Are you in the business? Meaning in plain English. I am shocked you would want to feed liquor to an angry passenger.

It is a bad situation to be put in. Because if you don't offer more, they get nasty. And if you give them more, you risk their safety and those around as well. This is the exception and not the rule. But it has been the rule to get pretty upset when asked for money for the drink.

Hence what I said about many stating "I would like a glass of wine with me meal." Since I do plenty of London flights, it seems that many from the United Kingdom say this frequently. It seems those who drink love a glass of wine with their meal, and can't believe they are being charged for it. There is nothing wrong with this, and I was just stating a general observation of people's commets, and reactions when in this situation.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Letsgetwet
Posted 2006-03-24 20:42:07 and read 4360 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 30):
Flying about hundreds of times yearly for both business and leisure, I would harshly classify myself as being "under a rock". I understand quite well the difficult times of the airline industry post-9/11, however, I doubt that serving complimentary drinks would be the sole reason of an airline going belly-up. It was never the intent of an airline to make money off of food/beverages, but rather to distinguish one airline from the other vis a vis customer service. Do you really see a fare difference between those airlines that charge for drinks/food vs. the ones that don't? I doubt it. I was merely pointing out the fact that airlines who "supposedly" want to take cost-cutting measures by eliminating drink/food should also focus on reducing their execs bonuses/severence packages. Now, you're talking about charging extra for certain rows in coach....what's next? charge to go to the bathroom? get a grip!

If you want free booze, buy a first class ticket! Remember the old saying "Nothing in life is free" and "You get what you pay for".

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Khobar
Posted 2006-03-24 21:11:37 and read 4345 times.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 23):
Uh, don't you pay for drinks at bars/clubs? I don't see why airlines should be any different

Yeah, beer wine $1 (unless it's draught, then it's $3 a pitcher), and $1.50 shooters, etc. Now if you want a specific brand then perhaps the higher price is justified - otherwise the airline is ripping people off.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
And Americans are notorious for consuming copious amounts of sugary, caffeine-laced soda pop with breakfast

LOL. Well I guess it could be worse.

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 33):
If you want free booze, buy a first class ticket! Remember the old saying "Nothing in life is free" and "You get what you pay for"

The cost is already included in the price of the ticket. Notice that when airlines stopped the "freebies" the ticket prices did not go down. In fact, the overall costs for the flying public have increased. Of course there are exceptions anyone can point to, but no one is better off with where the airline industry is headed.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Letsgetwet
Posted 2006-03-24 21:47:10 and read 4333 times.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 34):
Yeah, beer wine $1 (unless it's draught, then it's $3 a pitcher), and $1.50 shooters, etc. Now if you want a specific brand then perhaps the higher price is justified - otherwise the airline is ripping people off.

Where do you get prices like that? I paid that much 20 years ago.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 34):
The cost is already included in the price of the ticket. Notice that when airlines stopped the "freebies" the ticket prices did not go down. In fact, the overall costs for the flying public have increased. Of course there are exceptions anyone can point to, but no one is better off with where the airline industry is headed.

The airlines dropped the freebies because they were in the red! why would they drop the price of the ticked? The price of flying has not changed much in the last 20 years. If you break it down per mile, flying is still a bargain. It costs more to take the train, and you don't even get a free glass of water on the train.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Khobar
Posted 2006-03-25 00:49:08 and read 4285 times.

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 35):
Where do you get prices like that? I paid that much 20 years ago.

http://www.karambanightclub.com/thursday.asp. $3 pitcher beer, but be careful, it might be more entertainment than you might be wanting.  Wink

(Oh I hope there's a sense of humor about)

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FlyKev
Posted 2006-03-25 01:16:11 and read 4270 times.

Try a UK charter if you wish to pay for drinks, and they arent even big, heres a price list from DP:
(Soft Drinks)
Pepsi/7up - (15cl can) £0.70p
Tomato/orange Juice (15cl) - £0.70p
(Alcohol)
Foster Export (33cl) - £2.20
Gordons Gin (5cl) - £2.70
Bacardi Rum (5cl) - £2.70
Red Wine (18.75cl) - £2.70

Now thats pricing.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2006-03-27 08:15:36 and read 4174 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 25):
Funny how I find that most that say they need a glass of wine with their meal are from the United Kingdom. Not trying to jab or anything, but I have been encountering the same comment over and over again from the same group.

I think you'll find that this is very much a continental European attitude, where people are brought up that moderate drinking with meals is both pleasurable and sociable. Indeed there is a lot less drunkenness in such countries than in Britain which has more of the 'binge' drinking culture.

By contrast our US friends seem to have a much prissier attitiude to alcohol. I remember when GW Bush's daughter was busted for buying alcohol when 19!!! If only she stuck to driving around in giant SUVs, getting overweight on giant burgers and cokes in drive in fast food restaurants like the other healthy Americans (to return a stereotype).

Back on topic, the fact that British airlines have a very large share of the market between the UK and US suggests to me that maybe others share my view...

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Letsgetwet
Posted 2006-03-27 13:19:47 and read 4139 times.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 38):
Back on topic, the fact that British airlines have a very large share of the market between the UK and US suggests to me that maybe others share my view...

Yes I share your views that Brits are binge drinkers. That's why they should't get unlimited free drinks on flights.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-03-27 17:03:21 and read 4108 times.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
And Americans are notorious for consuming copious amounts of sugary, caffeine-laced soda pop with breakfast....so what's your point?

That is a weird stereotype. I've never observed that myself. Most Americans on my flights like OJ or coffee with breakfast. The Brazilians are the ones that love surgary caffeine laced beverages so much that they will put coke in a baby bottle then add packets of sugar to the mix for their infants.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-03-27 18:33:30 and read 4082 times.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 40):
That is a weird stereotype

Seems to be alot of sensitivity regarding this topic. Different groups of people possess different trends. There is nothing stereotypical, demeaning, or group bashing here. Having flown for over 20 years--just merely an observation. No different than our topic creator observing that the Brits like their wine.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-03-27 20:12:11 and read 4046 times.

I'm not being sensitive in 5 years of being an FA I haven't noticed this trend at all in Americans. There certainly are bev and other preferences prevalent in certain groups or nationalities but that is not one I have personally noticed.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AA767400
Posted 2006-03-28 01:19:54 and read 4001 times.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 40):
The Brazilians are the ones that love surgary caffeine laced beverages so much that they will put coke in a baby bottle then add packets of sugar to the mix for their infants.

Really have not seen that on any flights to Brazil. But the baby bottle deal is something very common in the Dominican Republic.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 38):
Back on topic, the fact that British airlines have a very large share of the market between the UK and US suggests to me that maybe others share my view...

I share your view that both BA, and VS have a superior product than any North American airline. And not just because they have complimentary alcohol.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-03-28 01:32:13 and read 3993 times.

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 35):
The airlines dropped the freebies because they were in the red! why would they drop the price of the ticked? The price of flying has not changed much in the last 20 years. If you break it down per mile, flying is still a bargain. It costs more to take the train, and you don't even get a free glass of water on the train.

Very well put. You don't get a free anything on the train, unless you get business class, then you get free pop/coffee etc but still have to pay for beer, wine, food etc...
I remember flying on US when I was 9, and the one flight I was on, an afternoon/evening flight MCO-PIT had dinner service on there and it was free... Now, the only way to get free food on US is to take first class. Economy/coach you have to pay now for the food/beverages. I remember US doing that I think the first time they were bankrupt...

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2006-03-28 02:36:49 and read 3964 times.

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 16):
I guess you must live under a rock. For your information, just about every major airline in the US is or was in chapter 11 bankruptcy. That means they are not making any $$ ! Charging a reasonable fee for alcoholic drinks is not an excuse to make $$ it is MEANT to make $$. Airlines are supposed to make $$. If they keep giving everything away for free (including the fares) they will no longer be here soon.

If General Motors said "Because we are broke, from now on none of our cars will have in car entertainment or electric windows as standard, as we need to make some money. Besides, you don't NEED either." what would the public do? They'd desert GM even faster than they are doing now.

If you are struggling, then you need to cut your internal costs, not skimp on the service provided to passengers. If US carriers on international routes have inferior product, (food, drink, IFE, cabin service) then I fly with someone else, simple enough.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: MCMAHONSMR
Posted 2006-03-28 03:32:03 and read 3950 times.

My $0.02 . . . .

Most US carriers charge $5 for beer, wine or spirits. Some carriers, like the soon to be defunct Song, had other 'premium' options available for slightly more. If you're spending $250 to travel JFK-LAX-JFK, like I recently did, I happily purchased a $5 bottle of cheap wine. Heck, the girl sitting next to me purchased three. In fact, so many people were drinking they ran out of booze. That's a lot of $5 bills to be collecting.

My attitude is:
1. It's usually cheaper than airport bars
2. If you're getting a good deal on the airfare then what's an extra $5.

Now, charging $4 for those snack boxes on AA is a whole different issue . . . .

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Khobar
Posted 2006-03-28 04:21:17 and read 3919 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 43):
I share your view that both BA, and VS have a superior product than any North American airline.

I guess it depends on the route flown. BA's PHX product was the worst I've experienced from the standpoint of nothing actually being wrong. It's the very first time I've actually had to shoe-horn myself into the seat. There as no service to speak of. Hardly saw any of the crew - not sure why they were all hiding, but the only time they came around was to offer one refreshment and then breakfast. Fortunately my breakfast was contaminated and I had the opportunity to experience BA business class on the return flight. Sad to say but, save for the single malt scotch and smoked salmon, it was on par with United's economy class which I flew just a couple of months later.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 45):
If General Motors said "Because we are broke, from now on none of our cars will have in car entertainment or electric windows as standard, as we need to make some money. Besides, you don't NEED either." what would the public do? They'd desert GM even faster than they are doing now.

If you are struggling, then you need to cut your internal costs, not skimp on the service provided to passengers. If US carriers on international routes have inferior product, (food, drink, IFE, cabin service) then I fly with someone else, simple enough.

That is absolutely brilliant - you nailed it spot on.

One should remember too that US airlines are not the only ones struggling - there are several European carriers either in trouble or no longer with us at all, not to mention Australia, though I'm not up on that story.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: Letsgetwet
Posted 2006-03-28 06:47:18 and read 3887 times.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 45):
If General Motors said "Because we are broke, from now on none of our cars will have in car entertainment or electric windows as standard, as we need to make some money. Besides, you don't NEED either." what would the public do? They'd desert GM even faster than they are doing now.

No, GM would never sell a car for less than it cost to build. You are right about the electric windows, they either have to raise the price of the car to cover the cost of the luxury. Or they could leave the price of the car and make the electric windows an option that the customer has to pay extra for. Same as the airlines are doing with alcahol.

Topic: RE: Charging For Alcohol On Flights
Username: MiCorazonAzul
Posted 2006-03-28 15:06:41 and read 3837 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 25):
I never said that it was petty. Reread what I said "I find that MANY find it petty. Not me, but MANY.

and I never said that YOU said it was petty cutie pie....  Wink

Quoting Khobar (Reply 34):
Yeah, beer wine $1 (unless it's draught, then it's $3 a pitcher), and $1.50 shooters, etc. Now if you want a specific brand then perhaps the higher price is justified - otherwise the airline is ripping people off.

If you find the prices too "high" then simply don't buy the product or can some not do without drinking for a few hours during the flight?


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