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Topic: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: FXramper
Posted 2006-03-30 19:52:10 and read 10667 times.

Pretty sad...cute dog.  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189643,00.html



RIP Willie.  tombstone 

[Edited 2006-03-30 19:57:27]

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: MrMcCoy
Posted 2006-03-30 19:55:44 and read 10648 times.

I'm sure there's much more to this story than what's been published by Turner's media machine. Wonder if the pet-sicle switch was activated in the cockpit..  duck 

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: AbirdA
Posted 2006-03-30 19:56:39 and read 10648 times.

That story doesn't even make much sense. The dog didn't come when called? I'm having trouble understanding why the airline should have been intervening with medical care at that point. It makes it sound as if the owner came into contact with the dog after the flight. Why not just take it to a vet yourself? I wouldn't wait on the airline to call someone, especially if i was arriving in my home town, which is unclear from the article. No doubt the owner is pained by this incident, but the word frivalous comes to mind.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Flyboy_se
Posted 2006-03-30 20:03:34 and read 10605 times.

at least they didnt do the same misstake as KLM groundcrew in AMS a while ago.
A swedish lady was travelling to Nice with her dog. Sadly the dog died while she was on vacations in Nice.So she transported the dead dog home to ARN.
When she was connecting at AMS the ground crew thought the dog died in flight.Thinking it was airlines fault they went to the petstore nearby and got a lookalike dog and replaced teh dead one with it.When the lady arrived at ARN and recieved her cage with the now alive dog, she almost had a heartattack.
It was a huge problem.The lady decided to keep the dog and got some pretty nice benefits from KLM. amazing.

back to the story. poore dog. i am sure there is more to the story then the news says.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: FXramper
Posted 2006-03-30 20:05:38 and read 10605 times.

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 3):
i am sure there is more to the story then the news says.

 checkmark 

sorry about the news link.  ashamed 

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2006-03-30 20:36:55 and read 10478 times.

This occured Aug. 2, 2005 on a JFK-SFO flight, so heatstroke could have caused this dog's death. The main arguement by the owner is that AA apparently didn't call a vet promptly or even at all after it arrived in SFO. The owner didn't even get told the dog had died until hours (5?) after he arrived at SFO. It is possible that the dog was dead already upon arrival, but still AA should have had a vet come in or take the dog to one nearby to verify it, or to try to save the dog if it wasn't dead yet. I would suggest that there is a case to persue here, that in the discovery process perhaps what happened where and how can be determined.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: GQfluffy
Posted 2006-03-30 21:00:33 and read 10406 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
This occured Aug. 2, 2005 on a JFK-SFO flight, so heatstroke could have caused this dog's death.

There are limits to flying with animals, at least with my airline. If it's 32 degrees F (or colder) at the originating airport, any stops along the way, or at the destination, that pooch...(or kitty) don't fly. At the other end of the spectrum, I believe (I kinda forgot) it's around 90 degrees F.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: N1120A
Posted 2006-03-30 21:02:13 and read 10406 times.

Quoting MrMcCoy (Reply 1):
I'm sure there's much more to this story than what's been published by Turner's media machine.

Um, this wasn't from a Time Warner media outlet. This was from Murdoch's media machine.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: BAxMAN
Posted 2006-03-31 01:41:52 and read 10109 times.

Firstly, I would like to pay my respects to poor little Willie. May he RIP in Doggie Heaven.

Anyhows, it seems like possibly all parties are slightly culpable in some way. I know that BA refuse to carry all breeds of 'snub-nosed dogs' because of the risk of respiratory problems. As a bulldog, Willie would have fallen into this category.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/pet/public/en_gb#7

I'm no veterinarian, but to me it seems like AA are taking undue risk in transporting animals that have an increased chance of being adversely affected by air travel, and Willie's owner should also accept some responsibity himself in letting his at risk breed of dog travel. If the owner did not realise the potential risks for Bulldogs, it his responsibility to have researched this beforehand.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: MrMcCoy
Posted 2006-03-31 01:44:39 and read 10107 times.

Pardon for stepping off-topic for a moment, but you do all recall that Airline episode when the fellow showed up with a cat IN his bag? What's worse is that he'd told the ticket counter staff that he'd flown all around the country with a cat in his cargo bag and nobody ever knew about it. Poor pussy!

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: TinkerBelle
Posted 2006-03-31 01:58:00 and read 10052 times.

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 3):
A swedish lady was travelling to Nice with her dog. Sadly the dog died while she was on vacations in Nice.So she transported the dead dog home to ARN.
When she was connecting at AMS the ground crew thought the dog died in flight.Thinking it was airlines fault they went to the petstore nearby and got a lookalike dog and replaced teh dead one with it.When the lady arrived at ARN and recieved her cage with the now alive dog, she almost had a heartattack.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Oooh boy, Haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Golftango
Posted 2006-03-31 02:49:36 and read 9955 times.

Poor Willie, RIP buddy. As a former English Bulldog owner (and just like the brindle guy above), these dogs require more attention than normal canines because EBs can overheat quite quickly. Although AA may be partially responsible, I personally would never put my expensive English Bulldog in the belly of a/c.

[Edited 2006-03-31 02:53:32]

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: KLMyank
Posted 2006-03-31 02:52:17 and read 9945 times.

Shame you can't buy a dog in a petshop in the NL, but nice story...

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: FreakyDeaky
Posted 2006-03-31 02:59:28 and read 9911 times.

I always wonder why pet owners think it's a good idea to ship animals as cargo.

They're better off putting them in the pet container and setting them out on the side of the highway in middle of summer. At least out there, someone would rescue the poor thing quickly and give it a new home with hopefully more intelligent owners.

 thumbsup 

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Phuebner
Posted 2006-03-31 03:04:31 and read 9894 times.

I would never fly one of my pets in cargo on an airplane. When I read the story it made me very sad. I am a Dog and Cat lover and I hate it when I read things like this. If I am able to bring my pet inside the airplane in a suitable case than I would do that, if not then bowser won't come with me.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Flyboy_se
Posted 2006-03-31 03:15:11 and read 9860 times.

Quoting KLMyank (Reply 12):

well the store where you get your dogs...lol

still have hard time believing this story myself, but since i heard it from the guy at KLMs airport office maybe its true.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-31 03:24:46 and read 9843 times.

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 13):
I always wonder why pet owners think it's a good idea to ship animals as cargo.

I had brought my 4 ft. iguana on ORD-SFO last year  biggrin .......there were no problems...AA does a good job transporting pets..

my iguana had full checkups and everything else before she flew....and I made sure that it was all within AA's animal guidelines....

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2006-03-31 04:46:43 and read 9764 times.

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 3):
at least they didnt do the same misstake as KLM groundcrew in AMS a while ago.
A swedish lady was travelling to Nice with her dog. Sadly the dog died while she was on vacations in Nice.So she transported the dead dog home to ARN.
When she was connecting at AMS the ground crew thought the dog died in flight.Thinking it was airlines fault they went to the petstore nearby and got a lookalike dog and replaced teh dead one with it.When the lady arrived at ARN and recieved her cage with the now alive dog, she almost had a heartattack.
It was a huge problem.The lady decided to keep the dog and got some pretty nice benefits from KLM. amazing.

It is an urban legend.....
See Snopes.com for another version

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/deadair.asp

AJMIA

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: ABpositive
Posted 2006-03-31 04:58:22 and read 9738 times.

My friend's dog (rottweiler) died on a trip from MEL to LHR. The cause of death was DVT. I didn't realise till then that dogs can suffer from it too.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Corey07850
Posted 2006-03-31 07:06:32 and read 9604 times.

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 8):

Anyhows, it seems like possibly all parties are slightly culpable in some way. I know that BA refuse to carry all breeds of 'snub-nosed dogs' because of the risk of respiratory problems. As a bulldog, Willie would have fallen into this category.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/pet/public/en_gb#7

That was my first thought... I ship my dog using CO and everytime I make a reservation for him they distinctly ask for the breed to make sure they aren't in the "snub nose" category... It's on their website as well, but I'm not sure if they refuse to ship them or just provide an explicit warning.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2006-03-31 07:13:02 and read 9570 times.

I read a different story and it makes it pretty clear that AA was negligent.

The dog did not die "on AA Transcon Flight". The dog became ILL on, before or after the flight. When they brought the dog to the owner, it was ill, but it was not dead. They owner begged for AA to call a vet, and they claimed they did, but one never arrived. This was an emergency, and the airport should have a vet on call 24/7. After the vet never arrived, AA took the dog to a secure area without letting the owner come, and 5 hours later, told the owner the dog had died. Emergency vets did arrive in that amount of time, but the exact time is not clear. But those vets could not help the dog at that point and told the owner that they likely could have saved the dog had they been brought in sooner.

That's how the story I read went. Very different than some of the snap judgments some people made here. But it is also still unclear if that account is accurate.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: BAW716
Posted 2006-03-31 07:35:24 and read 9442 times.

Very sad news for the dog....my condolences to the owner.

Unfortunately, the lawsuit is also dead on arrival. Unless the owner can prove malicious intent on the part of the airline (very hard to do), the contract of carriage of animals falls under cargo and is therefore not subject to the same conditions as a passenger ticket.

baw716

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: KITH
Posted 2006-03-31 07:59:21 and read 9276 times.

How badly do people need their dogs to travel with them? I travel a lot and our 4 year old Golden stays at a local kennel where the kennel owner loves him more then we think we do! (Just kidding, but we sometimes worry if we'll get our Golden back). -Matt in KITH

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Tbear815
Posted 2006-03-31 09:08:56 and read 8963 times.

IF I were to travel with a pet (I don't have one now), that pet (DOG!) would be in a First Class seat next to me. Otherwise, the pet would be left at home in scrupulously safe and loving care. If that were not possible, I would get myself a terrific DVD about the places I'd like to visit. The welfare of any pet I would have takes priority over most anything. If something happened to "my best friend" while traveling, I couldn't live with myself. And no, I'm not over-exagerating.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Darrenthe747
Posted 2006-03-31 09:10:23 and read 8946 times.

Quote:
Quoting KITH Reply 22
How badly do people need their dogs to travel with them? I travel a lot and our 4 year old Golden stays at a local kennel where the kennel owner loves him more then we think we do! (Just kidding, but we sometimes worry if we'll get our Golden back). -Matt in KITH

Maybe he was moving...

Quote:
Quoting Jacobin777 Reply 16
I had brought my 4 ft. iguana on ORD-SFO last year .......there were no problems...AA does a good job transporting pets..

my iguana had full checkups and everything else before she flew....and I made sure that it was all within AA's animal guidelines....

Their policies may be "safe," or as safe as they can possibly be...
I used to work ramp crew and worked plenty of commercial flight movements. We had very strict policies regarding movement of animals, but even still I always hated doing this part of the job. We would take them out of the cargo bays even if the plane was down for like 2 hours for a fuel stop (obviously so they wouldn't cook alive or freeze to death). But these animals would be literally shaking in the backs of their cages sometimes even in a mess of their own feces, urine and vomit. And we were all extremely careful all the time of course. Flightlines are extremely loud, with APU's running and other heavies taxiing around the ramp. No matter how well you treat them, it's a horribly traumatic experience for your pet, period. I would never put my cats through it.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2006-03-31 09:28:20 and read 8868 times.

Quoting KLMyank (Reply 12):
Shame you can't buy a dog in a petshop in the NL, but nice story...

Itb was probably the same store that was shown on Monthy Python whereb the guy bought the Parrot. ...well, it just moved....no, it didn't.....

Anyway, blaming an airline for the death of a pet shipped as cargo is rdiiculous. It is cruel to the animal but it is the owners choice and decision to do so, the airline just performs a service and as long as the guidelines for special handling of animals transported by air are observed, AA or any other carrier is on the safe side. The crate must be loaded in the pressurized hold and made ready for pick up as quick as possible and the water supply should be checked on off loading. That's it. There are usually pet owners and lovers involved at origin and destination who take care of things.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2006-03-31 09:36:13 and read 8819 times.

Quoting MrMcCoy (Reply 1):
Wonder if the pet-sicle switch was activated in the cockpit

We call the cargo outflow valve the puppy snuffer here at Purdue  Smile. Heartless I know, and this is still a very sad story, as I know I would be absolutely heart broken if something like this happened to my dog, and he's almost 15!

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-31 09:45:12 and read 8779 times.

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 24):
Their policies may be "safe," or as safe as they can possibly be...
I used to work ramp crew and worked plenty of commercial flight movements. We had very strict policies regarding movement of animals, but even still I always hated doing this part of the job. We would take them out of the cargo bays even if the plane was down for like 2 hours for a fuel stop (obviously so they wouldn't cook alive or freeze to death). But these animals would be literally shaking in the backs of their cages sometimes even in a mess of their own feces, urine and vomit. And we were all extremely careful all the time of course. Flightlines are extremely loud, with APU's running and other heavies taxiing around the ramp. No matter how well you treat them, it's a horribly traumatic experience for your pet, period. I would never put my cats through it.

interesting....thanks for the info..

oddly enough, we would never put our cat through it either, as we feel it would be too traumatic for her, but my iquana is almost 17 years old and she's quite the "chillin'" one...........she doesn't get phased too quickly.. Smile

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: DL787932ER
Posted 2006-03-31 11:34:07 and read 8401 times.

It's certainly sad for one's dog to die, whether or not it was AA's fault.

But what is the matter with people who have to take their pets with them wherever they go?? Obviously aid animals (seeing eye dogs, etc.) are permitted in the passenger cabin, but unless you have a handicap that your pet helps you with, put it up in a kennel! I can't imagine anyone subjecting a loved animal to commercial air travel, especially in cargo. If you are so attached to your pet that you can't bear to go on vacation without it, you should just drive.

Yes, I know there are occasions where people move overseas and so have to transport their pets by air. In those cases, there are companies who can provide safe pet transport, and I'd be willing to guess most people who actually have to move their pets overseas use such companies to deal with quarantine periods and the like. But I think the vast majority of animals who are shipped commercially are neither aid animals nor pets going overseas, but are just pets whose (irresponsible) owner can't bear to leave Fluffykins behind.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Ibhayi
Posted 2006-03-31 12:30:43 and read 8242 times.

My gf's father was cargo master at JNB for LH, in the 70's. They often flew the combi to JNB, and moved a lot of live cargo, and a lot which never made it to the other end alive.

Once flying giraffes, the one crate fell of the fork lift killing it, of the 7 that arrived alive at JNB, only 3 made it alive to their final destination and of those 3 one had a broken leg.

Big cats were moved although the best story I ever heard was some what of re-incarnation.

A cat had been shipped to jnb, dead, although when removing the cat the ground staff at JNB, found that it was dead and thought it died on route. They went to a local SPCA and found a some what similiar looking cat, and put it in the box and gave it to the family. The family truly and utterly stunned thought it was an act of god. They had shipped the dead cat here. They got an alive one back. Latter on inspection of the documents Brian found that they had actually shipped a dead cat.

On a side note, there were a few animals that managed to get loose during the flight, dogs when opening the door, would be roaming around the back, some of them making a leap of faith.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: CVGpilot
Posted 2006-03-31 13:46:38 and read 8017 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
That's how the story I read went. Very different than some of the snap judgments some people made here. But it is also still unclear if that account is accurate.

- Agree, either way this does not happen often and it would only make AA look even better to express sympathy and some "at-least" minor compensation. "Unless they have already put out the offer, and the owner is trying to get some ridiculous amount of money." You would think they would want to avoid going court over something like this.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Jumpseat70
Posted 2006-03-31 14:00:01 and read 7963 times.

This may be why Delta has a pet embargo in place, for pugs. They have problems breathing in hot weather.

I don't think we in MCI have a VET on hand. We'd probably call a local one, but there's no 24/7 pet service available.

I wonder if this dog was in "good health" when it was checked in.

I actually had a lady try and check in a dead animal for the cabin. I make a habit of inspecting the pet. You know, looking in, seeing if its moving all because of her.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2006-03-31 14:35:30 and read 7801 times.

Airlines transport million dollar race horses and zoo animals safely with little difficulty every day, but that is under very controlled conditions. The transport of pets is subject to many variables that cannot be as controlled or the where nature of the animal involved causes difficulty (like the rules by some airlines as to certain breeds of dogs noted prevously here).
Look at the problems we have in handling all of checked luggage with 1,000's of bags lost, damaged, and improperly routed every day, so one does take a known risk when checking in their pet as 'luggage'. Airlines are subject to tremendous financial pressures today so they really don't have the desire to transport pets with their risks. We note some LCC's like Southwest do not allow pets in cargo to hold down labor costs, keep tight turn around times and to assure the best service to the passangers.
In the end, we may have to accept all airlines having either stricter conditions on the acceptance of pets on their aircraft or rejecting that service in total.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Noelg
Posted 2006-03-31 14:49:12 and read 7707 times.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 28):
Yes, I know there are occasions where people move overseas and so have to transport their pets by air. In those cases, there are companies who can provide safe pet transport, and I'd be willing to guess most people who actually have to move their pets overseas use such companies to deal with quarantine periods and the like.

The pets travel in the cargo hold whether they are carried on as baggage, sent as airfreight or sent by a pet travel company. Some airlines let you check in a pet as excess baggage but not many do on international sectors.

We're moving our dog to New Zealand with us and are using a pet travel company. She will fly with either SQ or QF/BA, but is subject to no special treatment (she gets a water change when the aircraft changes but won't leave her carry case). It's slightly worrying but we know lots of people who have shipped animals by airfreight and they've always been absolutely fine, just a little sleepy the other end. The most damage is to our pocket (almost £3000 to ship our beloved out with us), but she's worth it and we couldn't be without her.

At the end of the day the cargo hold is just an extension of the cabin with no windows. It's still heated and pressurised, she will be absolutely fine.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: KaiGywer
Posted 2006-03-31 14:49:46 and read 7707 times.

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 3):
at least they didnt do the same misstake as KLM groundcrew in AMS a while ago.
A swedish lady was travelling to Nice with her dog. Sadly the dog died while she was on vacations in Nice.So she transported the dead dog home to ARN.
When she was connecting at AMS the ground crew thought the dog died in flight.Thinking it was airlines fault they went to the petstore nearby and got a lookalike dog and replaced teh dead one with it.When the lady arrived at ARN and recieved her cage with the now alive dog, she almost had a heartattack.
It was a huge problem.The lady decided to keep the dog and got some pretty nice benefits from KLM. amazing.



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 17):
It is an urban legend.....
See Snopes.com for another version

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/grueso...r.asp

Or just wait a few more replies, till somebody doesn't read the thread  Wink

Quoting Ibhayi (Reply 29):
Big cats were moved although the best story I ever heard was some what of re-incarnation.

A cat had been shipped to jnb, dead, although when removing the cat the ground staff at JNB, found that it was dead and thought it died on route. They went to a local SPCA and found a some what similiar looking cat, and put it in the box and gave it to the family. The family truly and utterly stunned thought it was an act of god. They had shipped the dead cat here. They got an alive one back. Latter on inspection of the documents Brian found that they had actually shipped a dead cat.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2006-03-31 15:43:06 and read 7463 times.

Traveling in cargo is a rough experience for pets no matter what the airlines try to do to minimize it.

At AA we have very strict temperature restrictions for checking pets and I always check the local, connecting and destination temperatures before I check in a pet for cargo. If it is too hot or too cold to accept the pet instead of being grateful that we won't put the pets in danger, the owners very often become irate. I will do anything to accommodate passengers, but I will not send your dog out onto a ramp in 90 degrees.

I also feel bad when I see very old pets traveling as cargo. They are so old and so frail.

If you are going on vacation leave your dog home.

If you are moving take the time to drive with your pet if it is possible. I would rather loose your business for one trip then be responsible for the death of your pet.

AJMIA

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Lincoln
Posted 2006-03-31 16:02:42 and read 7371 times.

Quoting MrMcCoy (Reply 9):
Pardon for stepping off-topic for a moment, but you do all recall that Airline episode when the fellow showed up with a cat IN his bag? What's worse is that he'd told the ticket counter staff that he'd flown all around the country with a cat in his cargo bag and nobody ever knew about it.

That gentleman realy didn't seem to get it, did he? The agents were trying to be patient with him and explain in small words "Cat in soft bag = Squished cat" but he kept asking questions to the effect of "you box all of the bags anyways so it doesn't matter how I'm shipping my cat, right?"... Aargh. I do have to say that it was impressive how WN, CO, and US all "played nice" with each other to get he customer moved over and a proper carrier.

Lincoln

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-03-31 16:30:46 and read 7218 times.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
at least they didnt do the same misstake as KLM groundcrew in AMS a while ago.
A swedish lady was travelling to Nice with her dog. Sadly the dog died while she was on vacations in Nice.So she transported the dead dog home to ARN.
When she was connecting at AMS the ground crew thought the dog died in flight.Thinking it was airlines fault they went to the petstore nearby and got a lookalike dog and replaced teh dead one with it.When the lady arrived at ARN and recieved her cage with the now alive dog, she almost had a heartattack.
It was a huge problem.The lady decided to keep the dog and got some pretty nice benefits from KLM. amazing.

Oh my God! This story is too funny, yet sad at the same time.  rotfl 

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 6):
This occured Aug. 2, 2005 on a JFK-SFO flight, so heatstroke could have caused this dog's death.

That could've happened when the dog was being transported from the hangar to the plane. But that's not enough time for the dog to get a heatstroke. Hangars/airplanes are fully temperature controlled in order to ensure such thing never happens.

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 14):
I always wonder why pet owners think it's a good idea to ship animals as cargo.

They're better off putting them in the pet container and setting them out on the side of the highway in middle of summer. At least out there, someone would rescue the poor thing quickly and give it a new home with hopefully more intelligent owners.

I highly doubt it. "Most" airlines take very good care of their cargo.

Quoting KITH (Reply 22):
How badly do people need their dogs to travel with them? I travel a lot and our 4 year old Golden stays at a local kennel where the kennel owner loves him more then we think we do! (Just kidding, but we sometimes worry if we'll get our Golden back). -Matt in KITH

Hmm, kennels aren't necessary a bargain. During long vacations and/or trips, bringing the dog along may be cheaper than sending it to a kennel. I travel a lot for business and whenever I am away more than a week, I bring the dog along. Never had a problem.

Quoting Noelg (Reply 33):
Airlines transport million dollar race horses and zoo animals safely with little difficulty every day, but that is under very controlled conditions. The transport of pets is subject to many variables that cannot be as controlled or the where nature of the animal involved causes difficulty (like the rules by some airlines as to certain breeds of dogs noted prevously here).

I completely agree. However, everything comes with a price tag I guess. I'm pretty sure a lot more attention is given to Saudi Arabia's King's thoroughbred vs. john doe's poodle. But then again, horses are less likely to die from air travel.

As far as my legal opinion, I think it will boil down to the intricate details of the case. Reading the posts/articles and so forth, it seems like there was neglect on both parties. I personally think the dog was already sick prior to the flight or couldn't bear being in a cage for 5+ hours (some dogs have claustrophobia). As far as AA is concerned, its job was to transport the dog from point A to point B, which it fully fulfilled. When Ing saw the dog upon arrival and sensed something was wrong, if AA couldn't provide a vet immediately, then take the dog to a vet yourself! I would rather fork up the bill and deal with AA later than leave my dog for AA to take care of (let us remind ourselves that AA probably has hundreds of other animals to handle) and get a call from the airline to learn that my dog died. Like one threader mentioned, it will be VERY hard to prove malicious intent on AA's part, especially when they clearly made an attempt to call a vet. I'm sure AA is going to try to shift the blame on the owner, who neglected to ensure that his dog was physically/emotionally fit to travel 5+ hours and that it would be impossible for the dog to get this sick (leading to death) in such short amount of time. I think AA is going to win this. But I guess you learn from your mistakes and of course, my condolences to Ing. I have a dog myself and I couldn't bear losing him so tragically.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: TheSorcerer
Posted 2006-03-31 16:54:31 and read 7094 times.

I wonder if the dog was sedated.
Dominic

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Boeing747_600
Posted 2006-03-31 17:33:01 and read 6884 times.

I think demonstrably well-behaved dogs should be allowed in the pax cabin on a window seat if the owner pays full fare or maybe even a slight premium.

My shepherd mix Rruff is far better behaved than some pax. He wouldnt bother anyone. The airlines should seriously look into this. I'd take my dog up to Alaska so he could play in the snow.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-03-31 19:42:31 and read 6240 times.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 39):
I think demonstrably well-behaved dogs should be allowed in the pax cabin on a window seat if the owner pays full fare or maybe even a slight premium.

Heck, create an entire new airline...I'll be the first one to sign up!  airplane 

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-31 20:45:10 and read 6081 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 35):
If you are moving take the time to drive with your pet if it is possible. I would rather loose your business for one trip then be responsible for the death of your pet.

one of the more sensible comments on A.net!

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Noelg
Posted 2006-03-31 20:51:11 and read 6063 times.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 39):
I think demonstrably well-behaved dogs should be allowed in the pax cabin on a window seat if the owner pays full fare or maybe even a slight premium.

I would gladly pay for another seat if our dog was allowed to travel with us. I would feel a lot safer and it would guarantee me flying with them. It would also likely be cheaper than airfreight (even at first class prices).

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 39):

My shepherd mix Rruff is far better behaved than some pax. He wouldnt bother anyone. The airlines should seriously look into this. I'd take my dog up to Alaska so he could play in the snow.

Indeed - in fact our Staffordshire Bull Terrier is better behaved than most children when travelling. We went on a train ride when we were on holiday and while Pippin was sitting quietly on our lap there were kids running riot up and down the train.

Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: Boeing747_600
Posted 2006-04-01 19:29:03 and read 5882 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 40):
Heck, create an entire new airline...I'll be the first one to sign up!

Ask, and you shall receive!  Smile

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Topic: RE: Dog Dies On AA Transcon Flight; Lawsuit.
Username: AR385
Posted 2006-04-02 00:33:25 and read 5810 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 32):
Airlines transport million dollar race horses and zoo animals safely with little difficulty every day

I don't know about the zoo animals, but million dollar horses go on special freight charters with their vet, their handler, their rider and sometimes their owner. I've been on a few of these flights, as the rider, mind you not the owner. Once, we chartered an entire UPS plane just for the 5 horses my friend was sending to a competition in Germany. The 767 front was fitted for the horses and immediately aft there were C class seats for all the 15 of us. Adn that's it, no more cargo, except for all the crap you need on these trips.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 37):
But then again, horses are less likely to die from air travel.

Not true. Horses are among the most nervous animals I know. If they become jittery the situation can escalate rapidly and having a nervous horse on a confined space is a bad, bad thing. They do not react well to anesthesia, or sedatives (think Ketamine) especially when they are nervous, and in that state they can die from it. That's why you need the vet with them.

Many thoroughbreds have died, even in this "cozy" charters and besides being a sad thing, it is a huge investment loss. A retired thoroughbred can bring on thousands of dollars over its lifetime through mating and sperm sales.


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