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Topic: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: YULspotter
Posted 2006-04-02 00:34:29 and read 3839 times.

Hello.

First time post for me.
I've been enjoying reading the posts for the past few months and decided it was time to join and get in on the discussions.

Just saw Air France's 747-400 land at YUL. It came in on Saturday around 5:10pm.

Does anyone know if this means the 747-400 is back (at least until the fall)? I know that they were still using the A340 for this flight earlier this week.

The other thing I am wondering about is if Air France was planning on replacing the 747 with the A380. They have already confirmed that they will be using the A380 on their Paris-Montreal route. It would seem like a logical choice. I hope not. Though I can't wait to see the A380 at YUL, I would sure miss seeing the 747-400. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks.
YULspotter

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Aad665
Posted 2006-04-02 01:20:03 and read 3788 times.

Salut Yulspotter,

the B747's always operate in summer time for years now.

aad665

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2006-04-02 03:30:37 and read 3720 times.

Air France was not supposed to bring the B744 to YUL this summer, but their planning has apparently changed as the 744 is again showing on the schedules. The aircraft was instead supposed to go to JFK, but it has been taken of the schedule and swapped with the B773 that was supposed to go to YUL.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Flpuck6
Posted 2006-04-02 03:44:07 and read 3708 times.

Until the 7th of May there is no AF344/345 previously operated by a 77W this fall/winter.
AF346/347 is operated by a mix of 744 and A340.
AF348/349 is operated with an A330.

On the 8th of May AF344/345 comes back with a 777-200.
AF346/347 will be all 744
AF348/349 will operate with an A330 but then go to a mix of A330/A340 on the 12th of June for the summer.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Marco
Posted 2006-04-02 05:04:36 and read 3655 times.

It seems that they have somewhat downsized this year. Last summer they were flying a daily B773, B744 and A330. Now it's down to daily B772/B744/A340. Perhaps not much of a difference but significantly lower premium seats (there are 67 J seats on the 773). Yes I know summer is the low season for business travel but markets grow ... anyway are things working out with 3 daily flights for AF? Will the frequency remain the same when the A380 is introduced?

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Boeingfanyyz
Posted 2006-04-02 05:16:04 and read 3640 times.

Bienvenue abord YULSpotter!

Oui, cest vrai. Dans l'ete, l'Air France etait utilise le Boeing 747. Mais, dans l'hiver, L'Air France utilise l'Airbus A340 parce-ce qu'il y a moins personnes dans l'hiver.

Translation:

Yes, that's correct. During the summer AF will use the 747, but during the winter I think they send their 343's. Probably because of lower passenger loads.

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Aad665
Posted 2006-04-02 05:27:18 and read 3631 times.

Hi,

still, AF use to operate 747 in winter time. Only last winter they change equipement for something "different".

You have to understand that AF 747 is now the less premium aircrafts in the fleet. Y don't have PTV, J have old seat and F are removed. That the reason they bring 77X over the winter now...to cater premium passenger with a very good F and J products

aad665

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Mah584jr
Posted 2006-04-02 10:09:22 and read 3548 times.

I just read in another thread that AF will continue to use the 744 through the winter of 06/07.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2006-04-02 14:05:46 and read 3525 times.

In its first draft schedules for the winter 2006-2007 schedule, Air France plans to operate 13 weekly frequencies on the CDG route:

AF344/345 daily B772ER
AF346/347 6 weekly B744 (daily except Thursday)

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: YULspotter
Posted 2006-04-02 15:58:32 and read 3525 times.

Thanks for the information everyone.

I get the feeling that AF 744s days at YUL are numbered. Perhaps it will stick around until the A380 is in service. Time will tell.

YULspotter

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Flyyul
Posted 2006-04-02 16:39:52 and read 3525 times.

Marco,

AF is flying the same capacity as last year. The 3rd frequency in summer 2005, was a 3-class A330, and now it will be a 2-class A330 4 times a week/2-class A340 (297 seats) 3 times a week.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Boeingfanyyz
Posted 2006-04-02 18:11:00 and read 3510 times.

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 9):
I get the feeling that AF 744s days at YUL are numbered. Perhaps it will stick around until the A380 is in service. Time will tell.

Doubt AF will send their 380's to YUL.

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: YULspotter
Posted 2006-04-02 19:38:34 and read 3456 times.

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 11):
Doubt AF will send their 380's to YUL.

Actually, it has been confirmed that AF plans on using the A380 for it's Paris-Montreal route.

You can check out the following article for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montr%C...iott_Trudeau_International_Airport

YULspotter

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Boeingfanyyz
Posted 2006-04-02 20:29:41 and read 3424 times.

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 12):
You can check out the following article for more info

With all due respect, Wikipedia is not the most reliable web-based encyclopedia!!! It's been under fire lately for providing false information! Think about it this way: the person filling in that information could be a 5-year old, seeing as anyone is capable of posting information!!!

Just my $0.02 (CDN)

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2006-04-02 21:38:50 and read 3399 times.

Boeingfanyyz,

Air France has confirmed on many occasions that YUL will receive the A380. In fact, ADM built a special gate on the new international concourse specifically for this aircraft.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2006-04-02 21:44:30 and read 3398 times.

"Air France Commits to 10 A380s

Air France has firmed up its MOU to buy the Airbus A380 superjumbo, choosing to commit to 10 firm orders for the aircraft, with four options.

Air France is scheduled to take delivery in November 2006, and plans to configure the aircraft in a three-class layout with approximately 555 seats. It is the first A380 buyer to choose the GE-Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance GP7000 powerplant for the aircraft.

The airline plans to use the aircraft to connect Paris with Los Angeles, Montreal, New York and Tokyo. Air France President Jean-Cyril Spinetta says he isn't concerned about airport issues with the aircraft in any of those sites. "Today, we operate a flight from Paris to the French West Indies that carries more than 500 people on a 747-300," he said. "We know how to do it, and we will know how to do it on a new aircraft."

Spinetta cited four reasons for purchasing the aircraft: the finite number of take-off slots available at the world's busiest airports; a promised lower noise signature; low cost per seat mile; and "the improved service that the extra space makes possible."

Airbus Chairman No�l Forgeard deflected a question about the value of the contract and whether the airframer slashed the price to make a deal. "The list price is $230 million, so the value is 10 times that, $2.3 billion, right? But I will also note that Air France has very good negotiators."

The announcement, made late Monday afternoon, was Airbus's third for the day, after earlier orders by JetBlue and Royal Air Maroc for narrowbodies.

Forgeard said that Monday's orders put Airbus's book for the year at 188, and said that by the end of the week, the company will have announced enough orders to drive its book over 300 for 2001. At least one of those aircraft orders will include the A380. Forgeard alluded to a press conference today involving a major cargo carrier.

By Jim Proulx "

http://www.aviationnow.com/shownews/01paris4/topsto02.htm

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Boeingfanyyz
Posted 2006-04-03 01:14:15 and read 3337 times.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14):
Air France has confirmed on many occasions that YUL will receive the A380.

No s**t, Sherlock!!! I was probably one of the first persons to hear this news!

I just post for the sake of argument!

However (here I go, arguing again!!!), AF could easily say they wont send it to YUL very last minute! Even if the new terminal is built, it could be a complete waste of money!

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2006-04-03 02:36:22 and read 3310 times.

Thanks for your intelligent response.

Topic: RE: Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL
Username: Boeingfanyyz
Posted 2006-04-03 03:28:34 and read 3291 times.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 17):
Thanks for your intelligent response.

Well, you're welcome!

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 


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