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Topic: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: KDTWFlyer
Posted 2006-04-03 21:58:52 and read 11786 times.

What was the longest dc-10 route ever?

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: AMSSpotter
Posted 2006-04-03 22:18:00 and read 11753 times.

It looks like Seattle - Hong Kong (I'm quoting a part of the following page):
http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/misc/DC10@Canadian.html

United had made modifications to the cabin interior of the CP aircraft and added an additional fuel tank in the aft cargo compartementin order to enable a Seattle-HongKong nonstop service. These modifications were extended to two other CP Air aircraft foir a total of five of what was known as the DC-10-30ER model types, aircraft with a heavier gross take-off weight, slightly more engine thrust and longer range with additional fuel capacity.

Cheers, Jeroen

DC10-lover

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Lijnden
Posted 2006-04-03 22:26:27 and read 11721 times.

DC-10:

The longest flight I have taken on a dc-10 was AMS > LAX (11:20) KLM (ph-dtd)

other flight on DC-10's:
HNL > ORD on UA
LAX > IAD on UA
SFO > Lihue on UA
AMS > IAD on NWA
IAD > AMS on NWA
LUX > KEF on Icelandair (n1035f)
KEF > JFK on Icelandair (n1035f)
LPA > AMS on Martinair (ph-mbt)
LPA > MAD on iberia (ec-cbo)
AMS > BWI on KLM (ph-dtl)
BWI > AMS on KLM (yv138c)
PTY > CUR on KLM (ph-dtb)
AMS > CDG > LIS > Recife > Manaus > RIO on Varig (pp-vmy)
RIO > LIS > CDG > AMS on Varig (pp-vmx)
CUR > JFK on American (n116aa)

[Edited 2006-04-03 22:27:26]

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Flyf15
Posted 2006-04-03 22:37:51 and read 11658 times.

SEA-HKG is 5648nm.

Another one almost as long is Canadian's DC-10 YYZ-NRT flight they flew until recently. Slightly shorter at 5574nm.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-03 22:39:48 and read 11649 times.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 2):
The longest flight I have taken on a dc-10 was AMS > LAX (11:20) KLM (ph-dtd)

For my part, I did GVA-LAX, 12 hours with HB-IHL.

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Thread starter):
What was the longest dc-10 route ever?

Don't know which one was the longest, but out of GVA, there was GVA-SIN-CGK, GVA-JNB, GVA-GIG-GRU-EZE & GVA-LAX.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Flyf15
Posted 2006-04-03 22:43:54 and read 11626 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 4):
Don't know which one was the longest, but out of GVA, there was GVA-SIN-CGK, GVA-JNB, GVA-GIG-GRU-EZE & GVA-LAX.

GVA-SIN is the longest. 5674nm, longer than SEA-HKG. They really flew this?

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Flyboy_se
Posted 2006-04-03 22:47:01 and read 11607 times.

its not a non stop but JAT used to fly back in the days
BEG-DXB-SIN-SYD-MEL.it was one flight, dont know the exact length of it tho


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Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-03 22:49:12 and read 11583 times.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 5):
They really flew this?

Yes, and each time I've seen the aircraft at the airport, it was a DC-10-30, not -30ER. The flight operated once a week (monday) evening. Later the CGK leg was done by SQ.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Timz
Posted 2006-04-03 23:00:01 and read 11547 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 4):
there was GVA-SIN-CGK, GVA-JNB, GVA-GIG-GRU-EZE & GVA-LAX.

When?

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Soups
Posted 2006-04-03 23:08:54 and read 11521 times.

ACC-JFK
ACC-BWI
on Ghana scareways

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Planemannyc
Posted 2006-04-03 23:34:34 and read 11441 times.

BG had:

DAC-DEL-DXB-BRU-JFK (9115 mi)

Now has:

DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK (9070 mi)

Will have*:

DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK (9060)

*Who knows when they will start -- some say it's only a figment of imagination.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: XXXX10
Posted 2006-04-03 23:49:00 and read 11381 times.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember NZ using the DC-10 between AKL and LGW with a stop in the pacific.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Parisien
Posted 2006-04-04 00:02:20 and read 11334 times.

if non stop route, Garuda Indonesia used to have a DC 10 flight from LAX to HNL continuing on to Biak in eastern Indonesia and on to Jakarta (CGK)...later on changed to MD11 cutting the stop in Biak.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-04 00:17:55 and read 11283 times.

Quoting Timz (Reply 8):
When?

ZRH-GVA-LAX started in Autumn 1989 and was operated by a DC-10-30ER probably up to the 1991/92 winter schedule, then by MD-11.

ZRH-GVA-SIN-CGK (Mon): don't know the start date, but was first flown only to SIN with code-share partner doing the last leg to CGK. SR formed its alliance with SQ & DL in 1989 if I remember well, so this should be the year that SR stopped to operate up to CGK. Then the SIN flight was operated out of ZRH from 1991.

ZRH-GVA-GIG-GRU-EZE (Tue; Thu; Sun) since at least (but probably before) the beginning of the 1980s. At first, the flight had to stop at DKR, both way, then came the -30ER which allowed a non-stop flight. Don't remember the exact date of change, but the MD-11 certainly took over the route in 1991/92, before flying it out of ZRH.

And the ZRH-GVA-JNB (Tue; Fri; Sun) route was flown probably up to 1991/92 winter schedule too. Then the MD-11 took over for a while, and later the route was flown out out of ZRH.

Interestingly, only the South America flight flew back through GVA. All others were going directly to ZRH on the return flght.

If anybody here have more precise details about all these facts, do not hesitate to correct me, I was too young to know all the details then.

Cheers.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Ravel
Posted 2006-04-04 00:20:12 and read 11278 times.

At some point the longest DC-10 flight was from Helsinki to Tokyo with Finnair's DC-10-30ER. Since Finnair didn't get a permission to fly over Soviet Union, the flight had to fly via North Pole so it was quite long...

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: FOMEA
Posted 2006-04-04 00:25:39 and read 11223 times.

NWA use to have DTW - HNL on a DC-10 .
Route no longer exists.
I think they still have MSP -HNL .





Regards
F-OMEA.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-04 00:27:42 and read 11213 times.

Quoting Ravel (Reply 14):
At some point the longest DC-10 flight was from Helsinki to Tokyo with Finnair's DC-10-30ER

That's right, and N345HC was also the commercial DC-10-30 with the highest MGTOW then.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: 123
Posted 2006-04-04 02:25:55 and read 11077 times.

LH used to fly FRA-JFK-LIM-LPB-SCL and back on the DC-10-30.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Jupiter2
Posted 2006-04-04 02:50:49 and read 11033 times.

AOM used to fly PAR/CMB/SYD/NOU, sectors broke up as follows

PAR/CMB 5281
CMB/SYD 5444
SYD/NOU 1230
TOTAL 11956 NM

If memory serves correct UTA used to fly a DC 10 that routed CDG/BAH/SIN/CGK/SYD/AKL/PPT/LAX, the aircraft basically flew under the one flight number, just an (A) added to the flight number from SYD.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: KDTWFlyer
Posted 2006-04-04 10:36:48 and read 10757 times.

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 15):
Route no longer exists.
I think they still have MSP -HNL .

Yes, the axed DTW-HNL but MSP-HNL. Does anyone think seasonal DTW-HNL service will return?

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Cure
Posted 2006-04-04 11:08:28 and read 10713 times.

IIRC back in 1992 KL used to fly an AMS-AUA-GUA, which is a total of 5650nm with a DC10-30 (AMS-AUA: 4898, but I don't think they were refueling in AUA...can anyone help me?), maybe not the longest, but long.

Regds,

V

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Oly720man
Posted 2006-04-04 11:32:23 and read 10673 times.

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 10):
Will have*:

DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK (9060)

*Who knows when they will start -- some say it's only a figment of imagination.

Scheduled to start this Saturday 8th April. BG011/012

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Fanofjets
Posted 2006-04-04 18:48:04 and read 9826 times.

Even some medium-range series -10s were retrofitted for long-haul work. I believe the initial batch was ordered by All Nippon but later cancelled. THY (including the ill-fated ship that crashed in Ermenonville in 1974) and Laker used these aircraft for trans-Atlantic services. Laker boasted that these series -10s were much more fuel-efficient than their greater-MTOW series -30 and -40 bretheren, keeping Sir Freddie's costs down.

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Interestingly enough, other series -10s were retrofitted, including G-BELO, which uses its extra tankage to this day as a flying hospital for Orbis, covering all corners of the globe.

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Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Beechnut
Posted 2006-04-04 18:55:54 and read 9727 times.

United Seattle-Hong Kong, 5648 n.m.

Canadian (CP) Vancouver-Hong Kong 5555 n.m.

And the one I flew on once, CP Toronto-Tokyo 5574 n.m. (13h53 min)

So looks like SEA-HKG wins. All three were on CP DC-10s however (the United DC-10ERs retained their Canadian registration; CP received a like number of United DC-10-10s for domestic and transatlantic ops in exchange and these retained their US registration).

Beech.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: AirCop
Posted 2006-04-04 19:02:38 and read 9634 times.

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember NZ using the DC-10 between AKL and LGW with a stop in the pacific.

AKL to LAX 6524 miles.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2006-04-04 19:04:33 and read 9600 times.

I believe PR did MNL-HNL-SFO, MNL-HNL-LAX with their DC10-30s before.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2006-04-04 19:17:45 and read 9419 times.

Viasa's CCS-BEY at 6500 nm. Must be the longest.


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Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: WJ
Posted 2006-04-04 19:26:42 and read 9299 times.

Can't forget SK's LAX-CPH run - 5624nm

But the ones who I think has them all beat for NON-STOPS (which is what I believe this thread was about)

VG longhauls were based on DC-10 for the longest time and have pretty much all beat:

GIG-LAX - 6294nm (followed by a hop to NRT for another 5400nm or so)
GRU-FRA - 6073nm
GRU-AMS - 6059nm
GRU-CDG - 5829nm

cheers

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Stirling
Posted 2006-04-04 19:26:44 and read 9299 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 26):
Viasa's CCS-BEY at 6500 nm

Was that a regularly scheduled flight? And was it nonstop?
When was it?

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-04 19:31:24 and read 9223 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 26):
Viasa's CCS-BEY at 6500 nm. Must be the longest.

According to Great Circle Mapper, CCS-BEY is 5665nm and 6520mi. Was it a nonstop flight?

[Edited 2006-04-04 19:32:50]

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Dc863
Posted 2006-04-04 19:38:26 and read 9132 times.

My guess is that it stopped either in Lisbon, Madrid or Rome before going to Beirut.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Tbnist03
Posted 2006-04-04 19:41:35 and read 9088 times.

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 19):
Does anyone think seasonal DTW-HNL service will return?

Personally, I don't see that happening. With NW still not doing well from being in bankrupcy, adding a route that may / may not have many pax flying DTW-HNL definitely wouldnt be cost effective. It would be a little bit more convienient, instead of flying GRR-MSP-HNL.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Alphafloor
Posted 2006-04-04 20:03:42 and read 8831 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 13):
Interestingly, only the South America flight flew back through GVA. All others were going directly to ZRH on the return flght.

Yes, and don't forget forget ZRH-GVA-DKR-GIG-EZE-SCL in the early 80's.

Cheers,
Alejandro

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2006-04-04 20:14:16 and read 8728 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 29):
According to Great Circle Mapper, CCS-BEY is 5665nm and 6520mi. Was it a nonstop flight?

Sorry I always confuse miles with nautical miles, you are right.

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 30):
My guess is that it stopped either in Lisbon, Madrid or Rome before going to Beirut.

Depending on the season, it would stop in CIA. But some seasonal flights were nonstop. I guess they were payload restricted. Also I don't think there was too much cargo traffic between Venezuela and Lebannon, the flight was 99% VFR traffic (middle east ex-pats living in Venezuela).

Quoting Stirling (Reply 28):
When was it?

During the 70s, maybe early 80s.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Cedars747
Posted 2006-04-04 20:51:22 and read 8330 times.

UTA CDG-Papeete and Noumea via LAX

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Alex!!!

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Cedars747
Posted 2006-04-04 21:08:29 and read 8159 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 33):
During the 70s, maybe early 80s.

Hola Luis !
Early seventies ,Viasa use to fly from CCS to BEY via FCO onboard DC-10
Alex !!!

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Eilennaei
Posted 2006-04-04 21:27:02 and read 7963 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 16):
Quoting Ravel (Reply 14):
At some point the longest DC-10 flight was from Helsinki to Tokyo with Finnair's DC-10-30ER

That's right, and N345HC was also the commercial DC-10-30 with the highest MGTOW then.

The length of the AY HEL-Tokyo Polar route is stated to be 11,024 km, or 6,850 mi, or 5,952 nm, covered in 13,5 hrs, quoting from the semiofficial history by J. Wegg. The modifications were done in-house by Finnair, consisting an installation of an additional tank of 12,048 litres. The a/c was for some reason never registered in Finland when with AY, owned by Wells Fargo. It now flies for Omni Air.

[Edited 2006-04-04 21:34:53]

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2006-04-04 21:33:25 and read 7938 times.

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember NZ using the DC-10 between AKL and LGW with a stop in the pacific.

not quite - in the mid-70s NZ used to operate AKL-HNL-LAX and then pass the a/c over to BA to operate LAX-LHR - it was an 'interchange' agreement - but not a codeshare and NZ could not advertise it as a through-plane service to LHR - it operated as two distinct flight numbers NZ AKL-HNL-LAX and BA LAX-LHR.

The longest ( but not non-stop) service would surely still have to be as mentioned by Jupiter2 in post 18 the PAR-LAX 'long way round' service operated by UT via a huge variety of routings over the years - but always "the long way"

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: PIA777
Posted 2006-04-04 21:37:12 and read 7793 times.

My longest DC10 flight was AA, ORD-HNL-ORD in 1998.

PIA777

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-04 21:38:27 and read 7793 times.

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 36):
Polar route is stated to be 11,024 km, or 6,850 mi, covered in 13,5 hrs

13,5 hours? Whaou! I remember that the SR DC-10-30ER were pushed to their limits with the GVA/ZRH-LAX (12 hrs) routes, with regular unsched fuel stops at DEN or SLC, due to strong head winds, sometime leaving cargo & non-rev. pax behind for more fuel efore leaving Europe, but AY NRT flight was apprently something appart too!

Cheers.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Eilennaei
Posted 2006-04-04 21:43:21 and read 7704 times.

The AY -ER had double the extra fuel tank capacity than the earlier (pre-1982) -ERs, says my source.

[Edited 2006-04-04 21:44:05]

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2006-04-04 21:43:51 and read 7704 times.

I'm pretty sure Varig flew GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK in the 80's with the -10s. That's 9062nm!

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2006-04-04 21:53:25 and read 7592 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 41):
I'm pretty sure Varig flew GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK in the 80's with the -10s. That's 9062nm!



at one time ( not sure whether DC-10s or 747s ) RG also extended from BKK on to HKG .pretty impressive at 9972 nm ... but still well short of the UT service which with the routing giving in post 18 would be 16418 nm .... and I think it was actually longer because I am sure the aircraft went to NOU in between SYD and AKL which , if correct , would bring it up to a truly amazing 17320 nm - I am also pretty sure that CMB was involved in the routing at one time - I know that there are a couple of real UT nostalgia buffs out there so if any of you can confirm one of the actual routings it would be much appreciated .

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-04 22:04:01 and read 7474 times.

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 40):
The AY -ER had double the extra fuel tank capacity than the earlier (pre-1982) -ERs, says my source.

SR -30ERs were designed to fly nonstop from GVA to GIG. As you said, Soviet Union air space was then closed to western airlines, thus forcing flight to Japan and Korea from Europe to pass through ANC. Probably was it "economical" for AY to invest & convert N345HC to its -30ERs specs rather than fly through ANC. Thus explaining its double extra fuel tank capacity.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Timz
Posted 2006-04-04 22:47:13 and read 7412 times.

We still don't know if the original question was asking about nonstops-- but if it was, has anyone found a timetable or OAG showing a longer nonstop (by great-circle distance anyway) than SEA-HKG? I checked a 1989, a 1991 and a 1992 OAG and didn't find a GVA-SIN nonstop D10.

[Edited 2006-04-04 22:48:38]

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-04-05 03:18:00 and read 7215 times.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 37):
in the mid-70s NZ used to operate AKL-HNL-LAX and then pass the a/c over to BA to operate LAX-LHR - it was an 'interchange' agreement - but not a codeshare and NZ could not advertise it as a through-plane service to LHR - it operated as two distinct flight numbers NZ AKL-HNL-LAX and BA LAX-LHR.

I've seached through my papers, and have retrieved a "DC-10 Interchange" report.

It was published in Air Pictorial in November 1978.

"On 13th December 1973 the "Through Service Agreement" was signed in Auckland to be effective for a period offour years from 26th April 1975.
Under the terms of the agreement Air NZ and BOAC would coordinate services to provide a connecting plane servicem, daily in each direction, between LHR and AKL. LAX would be designated the "transfer point" and the DC-10-30s, in the livery of NZ, used for the services would be termed the "through aircraft. NZ would provide a daily service AKL-NAN (somedays only)-HNL or PPT-LAX, designated the "Pacific sector"; and BOAC would provide a daily service LHR-LAX designated the "Atlantic sector". Both carriers operate their specific sectors independently using their own separate flight numbers and the company operating its designated sector has complete management and control of the through aircraft."

There are many more details about the operation as well as of the utilisation of the NZ DC-10 by BA on other routes during summer 1978. But that would make us drift too far away from the original topic.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2006-04-05 04:10:08 and read 7151 times.

NZ used to operate a sightseeing flight from AKL-Antartica-AKL using DC-10-30's 1977-1979 This of course ended when one crashed in a whiteout into Mt Erebus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus_disaster
AKL- Antarctica - AKL is approx 5000nm.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Lamedianaranja
Posted 2006-04-05 11:51:10 and read 7012 times.

AMS-SEA on MP's DC-10 once took us almost 13 hours, terribly long flight! Thankfully I spent many hours on the flightdeck taking pictures of Greenland e.g. and helping the F/A's in the galley downstairs, heating meals.

Topic: RE: What Was The Longest Dc-10 Route Ever?
Username: Eilennaei
Posted 2006-04-05 13:34:57 and read 6941 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 43):
As you said, Soviet Union air space was then closed to western airlines, thus forcing flight to Japan and Korea from Europe to pass through ANC. Probably

It was actually not closed, but the proportion of the price of the ticket that the Soviets were demanding for overflying rights was deemed too high by Finnair. ANC was initially thought as a stop-over, but the new -30ER made that unnecessary.


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