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Topic: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: KarlB737
Posted 2006-05-01 22:03:37 and read 16166 times.

Courtesy: Lafayette Journal and Courier

Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue

http://www.lafayettejc.com/apps/pbcs...?AID=/20060501/NEWS/605010306/1152

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-05-01 22:08:19 and read 16146 times.

Just an offline diversion due WX/ATC at MDW...

We diverted one to SBN a few weeks ago and you'd think the Concorde had landed...

Big news for small towns, I guess...

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Redngold
Posted 2006-05-01 22:18:06 and read 16083 times.

Of course it's big news! Read the article... They don't get anything over a handful of seats at that airport anymore, since American Eagle pulled out.


redngold

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Nworlnsbearcub
Posted 2006-05-01 22:21:10 and read 16059 times.

That is awesome.. I love hearing of unusual, small airport landings... Imagine seeing Purdue when you don't expect it!

Insane.

Michael
Austin, TX

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Levg79
Posted 2006-05-01 22:21:58 and read 16059 times.

I wonder how did the WN feel to have to buy non-hedged fuel at Perdue.

Leo.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2006-05-01 22:35:06 and read 15994 times.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):
Of course it's big news! Read the article... They don't get anything over a handful of seats at that airport anymore, since American Eagle pulled out.

All this since they are "too sacred" to deal with going into ORD. Heaven forbid they ever put one of their a/c on an O'Hare runway!  banghead 

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: TxAgKuwait
Posted 2006-05-01 22:41:35 and read 15966 times.

I guess this was sort of appropriate, since it is a little known fact that Don Ogden (orig VP-Flight Opns for Southwest) hired many, many, many of the original Southwest pilots from supplemental carrier Purdue Airlines when that airline ceased operations.

Purdue flew DC-9s thus it was necessary to send most to Denver for training on the 737-200 at United.

If my memory serves me correctly, Southwest's original "Chief Hostess"...was a lady named Jan Arnold who also came from Purdue.

In addition to their duties with the supplemental/charter carrier Purdue Airlines, while at Purdue, Jan and her staff provided training for the Bunny Hostesses employed by Playboy magnate Hugh Hefner.

>> I wonder how did the WN feel to have to buy non-hedged fuel at Perdue. <<

Let me clear up a common misconception.

Southwest pays the pump price for fuel.

The hedges do not allow them to tell Texaco or Exxon or whoever the fuel provider is "Oh, we're only paying the equivalent of $36 per bbl for our fuel."

Rather, Southwest hedged their fuel through a combination of heating oil, kerosene, and similar commodities on the futures markets.

Somebody might chime in with a more detailed explanation, but Southwest's hedges actually are in the form of futures contracts or options, the profits of which offset the actual price paid at the pump.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2006-05-01 22:48:36 and read 15932 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
All this since they are "too sacred" to deal with going into ORD. Heaven forbid they ever put one of their a/c on an O'Hare runway!

Too scared? Please. The airlines already flying into ORD yesterday were not having and easy day themselves. We're talking flow delays of up to 5 hours for some flights, both mainline and express included, due to the numorous storms rolling through.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: BOS2LAF
Posted 2006-05-01 23:26:41 and read 15833 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
All this since they are "too sacred" to deal with going into ORD. Heaven forbid they ever put one of their a/c on an O'Hare runway!

Well, if you were an LCC and had the choice of paying the landing fee at ORD or LAF, which would you choose?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2006-05-01 23:34:01 and read 15796 times.

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 8):
Well, if you were an LCC and had the choice of paying the landing fee at ORD or LAF, which would you choose?

If ORD got my passengers closer to their destination (which has better connections to the loop than MDW btw) then I'd land there. I don't think the landing fees are much more at ORD than they are at MDW. WN only goes to MDW since they can take over and dominate and run that airport into the ground since there is no WA as their is at DAL. If WN can go into IAD and DEN but why not ORD or DFW? Or for that matter JFK, SFO, IAH or MIA?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2006-05-01 23:50:01 and read 15727 times.

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 8):
Well, if you were an LCC and had the choice of paying the landing fee at ORD or LAF, which would you choose?

I doubt they could have diverted to ORD unless they declared an emergency. ORD was worse than MDW at that time, so they were in no position to take fuel diversions. I personally am surprised that they didn't fly to IND, but I guess they wanted to save the extra fuel of flying the additional 60 miles to IND. When ORD and MDW get into huge delays, it is usually MKE and IND taking planes. However Gary, Rockford, Madison, Champaign and even Detroit can get diversions for fuel, but most planes have MKE as a listed alternate I think.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
If ORD got my passengers closer to their destination (which has better connections to the loop than MDW btw) then I'd land there.

I don't think it really matters since the passengers would probably have waited on board the plane or in the terminal at ORD until they could be flown back to MDW after the weather and delays cleared up.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
WN only goes to MDW since they can take over and dominate and run that airport into the ground since there is no WA as their is at DAL.

It is actually a really good thing that Southwest flies so many people out of MDW. Think of how much worse would be if WN wasn't flying many people Chicagoland residents out of a less congested airport. It is a very good thing. MDW has its own limitations due to short runways. I think it is a good thing. ORD doesn't need protection like DFW does. The fewer flights at ORD, the better!

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Planespotting
Posted 2006-05-01 23:52:37 and read 15721 times.

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 6):
Somebody might chime in with a more detailed explanation, but Southwest's hedges actually are in the form of futures contracts or options, the profits of which offset the actual price paid at the pump.

Here is a good page with the basics on hedging (which was originally a gambling term).

To summarize, a "hedge" is a finance term describing the minimization of overall risk by an investment in multiple securities, bonds, or commodities.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Calvin99
Posted 2006-05-02 00:00:22 and read 15677 times.

Thats why I thought I saw a B737 flying low around campus. I thought there was some kind of emergency but I forget to follow up on the incident. If I knew the incident earlier, I would have drive to the airport and take some pics..!! Too bad..!!

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: CWAFlyer
Posted 2006-05-02 00:06:14 and read 15633 times.

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 8):
Well, if you were an LCC and had the choice of paying the landing fee at ORD or LAF, which would you choose?

Where in ORD do you think they would have parked?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: ATCT
Posted 2006-05-02 00:06:17 and read 15633 times.

Great for Lafayette!

I like seeing larger guys into small airports. It awesome to be sitting at my small local airfield and see a gulfstream G-IV or a Falcon come in.

ATCT

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-05-02 00:10:41 and read 15620 times.

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 8):

Well, if you were an LCC and had the choice of paying the landing fee at ORD or LAF, which would you choose?

Speaking as someone who diverts flights on occasion, I can personally assure you that landing fees at airport-X over airport-Y aren't part the thought process, not mine anyway...

It's nearly always preferable to divert to an on-line station versus an off-line station. That said, sometimes, dependent upon the situation, dispatchers (in conjuction with the PIC) will use a closer-in off-line alternate in order to be able to hold longer. If the fuel to the on-line alternate is 5,000 lbs, and you change to an off-line alternate that only takes 2,000 lbs you've just added an extra 3,000 lbs of fuel that can be used for holding. We really only do this if we think (after coordinating with ATC) that the flight will be able to get in within the available holding time. Sometimes, not very often (in my own experience) additional delays crop up, and now one is committed to actually having to divert to that off-line alternate.

Most off-line alternates are not that big a deal anyways. We go to many of them on charter flights, and already have contact info, frequencies, fueling info, and info on available ground equipment in our database.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Chiawei
Posted 2006-05-02 00:17:23 and read 15603 times.

I used to live about 5 minute walk from Purdue Airport.

Back in 1999, Purdue was served by Northwest to Detroit (via 2 to 3 stops) and United to Chicago.

I still don't understand why west lafayette can't sustain regular service. There are tons of traffic. Personally i think it is much painless to fly from west lafayette than waiting for the hourly bus to indy.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: BOS2LAF
Posted 2006-05-02 00:25:14 and read 15579 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
If ORD got my passengers closer to their destination (which has better connections to the loop than MDW btw) then I'd land there. I don't think the landing fees are much more at ORD than they are at MDW. WN only goes to MDW since they can take over and dominate and run that airport into the ground since there is no WA as their is at DAL. If WN can go into IAD and DEN but why not ORD or DFW? Or for that matter JFK, SFO, IAH or MIA?

Hmm, and it only took 9 posts for someone to find a way to make this about the Wright Amendment.

I'm no fan of WN, the WA, or their dominance at MDW, but we're talking about a weather diversion here, get a grip.

If you read the article, it mentions that they were going to divert to IND, but the Capt wasnt comfortable with the fuel situation. They were already enroute to IND when they diverted to LAF.

They likely chose IND over ORD for a few reasons, the most obvious being, if the weather sucks at MDW, dont you think its going to suck at ORD too?? I don't know for a fact whether it actually was bad at ORD, but thats the first thing that jumps to mind... They're in such close proximity, it would stand to reason that the weather would be pretty similar at both airports. The next reason the likely chose IND over ORD is that they already have facilities in place at IND. Do you think AA or UA would've charged them reasonable fees for ground handling? Thats a big, "no freaking way." With WN pushing for the repeal of the WA, and moving into DEN and trying to move into IAD, they haven't exactly been making friends with the two guys that run the show at ORD.

So if youre able to put yourself in their shoes; which I suspect you can't given your rant about the WA in a thread about a wx diversion; if you had to make a choice to land at an airport where your bitter rivals run the show and would give you an a$$raping on ground handling, in addition to higher landing fees than LAF or IND, or land at an airport all of 200 miles away where you already have your own gates and ground staff in place, and the only additional cost would be fuel and landing fees, which would you choose?

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It's nearly always preferable to divert to an on-line station versus an off-line station.

I was writing this post when that was posted. I was oversimplifying my argument in my first post. The bottom line is that with an airline like WN, where their whole business model is based on low costs, its safe to say that costs factored into the equation at some point.

Edited again:
Worth mentioning...

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One of the last times a plane of that size landed at Purdue was when Air Force One brought President Reagan to West Lafayette for an April 9, 1987, speech in Mackey Arena.

is obviously crap. During football season, the football team regularly charters Miami Air 738s, and I've been told by some that theres been an occasional 757 charter.

[Edited 2006-05-02 00:29:31]

[Edited 2006-05-02 00:34:59]

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: FutureUALpilot
Posted 2006-05-02 00:27:08 and read 15579 times.

Nuts, and I had to take a final today. I wish I'd heard about it, I could've driven out to the airport (5min away) and checked it out. It isnt too often we get a 737 in here. And yes, I know Purdue owns one, but sadly, it doesnt fly.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Type-rated
Posted 2006-05-02 01:25:12 and read 15405 times.

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 6):
In addition to their duties with the supplemental/charter carrier Purdue Airlines, while at Purdue, Jan and her staff provided training for the Bunny Hostesses employed by Playboy magnate Hugh Hefner.

Nope, it was the original CO at LAX that trained the Flight Attendants for ole' Hef and his black DC-9 way back in 1969 or so.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: ScottB
Posted 2006-05-02 01:42:35 and read 15345 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
If ORD got my passengers closer to their destination (which has better connections to the loop than MDW btw) then I'd land there.

Do ya think that maybe, just maybe, bad weather at MDW might mean that ORD is having bad weather, too? Did you ever consider that ORD is congested enough on its own without having to help handle weather diversions from any other airport?

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
WN only goes to MDW since they can take over and dominate and run that airport into the ground since there is no WA as their is at DAL.

Uhhhhhhh sure. Not that anyone in Chicago has a clue that two airlines have hubs at ORD both offering hundreds of flights each and every day. You must think that people in Chicago (or traveling to Chicago) eagerly pay more to fly Southwest for the privilege of using MDW, right?

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
If WN can go into IAD and DEN but why not ORD or DFW? Or for that matter JFK, SFO, IAH or MIA?

Well, I'm sure that if Southwest were given a few dozen slots and gate space, they'd very happily go into DCA instead of IAD. It's not exactly clear to me where in the Denver metro area they could go aside from DEN; I guess they decided that DEN would be a better option than COS or FNL. Both DEN and IAD were above-average for on-time performance in February. SFO is a disaster when you have any weather at all, JFK is a mess, MIA is an expensive hellhole, and IAH doesn't make sense with their large HOU operation.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2006-05-02 02:31:54 and read 15241 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
It's not exactly clear to me where in the Denver metro area they could go aside from DEN; I guess they decided that DEN would be a better option than COS or FNL.

They would beg the City and County of Denver to re-open Stapleton and give them exclusive rights, just like DAL!! That is how WN operates, just ask the Port Authority of Seattle and the folks at King County (BFI) with the crap they tried to pull last year! They treat local airport authorities like Wal-Mart treats city councils and planning commission's when they don't get exclusive preferential "poor LCC" treatment!!!!  devil   gnasher   hissyfit   mad   vomit   yuck 

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Greenguy01
Posted 2006-05-02 02:59:43 and read 15167 times.

Does anyone know which flight number it was? I want to look at the diverson on FlightAware...

Found it.... Flt 1114 MCO-MDW on 30Apr

[Edited 2006-05-02 03:05:12]

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Mitchell Gant
Posted 2006-05-02 03:06:59 and read 15113 times.

The comment about the airplane being the largest at LAF since AF1 is absolute garbage. Football charters regularly bring A320's, 727-200's and 737-800's into LAF. I recall a conversation I had with the previous LAF airport manager over ten years ago, when he told me that the largest aircraft to land at LAF was a DC-8-60 in the 1970's.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: ATAIndy
Posted 2006-05-02 03:07:27 and read 15113 times.

Nice little story involving the college I will attend someday (hopefully). This is one of the only times when I enjoy diversions, espically when I'm not on the plane.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: WN57787
Posted 2006-05-02 03:09:31 and read 15106 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
If WN can go into IAD and DEN but why not ORD or DFW? Or for that matter JFK, SFO, IAH or MIA?

WN DID Service SFO after a hard dicsition thay pulld the operations out and expanded in OAK

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2006-05-02 03:25:05 and read 15065 times.

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 6):
Let me clear up a common misconception.

Southwest pays the pump price for fuel.

Correctamundo. They buy a piece (actually pieces) of paper, known generically as a "derivative", on the futures market. I do not believe that one can hedge Jet A, so the piece of paper relates to the value of some analogous commodity, like diesel fuel, on a particular date. It is a promise to provide X-million barrels of diesel fuel at a particular price (say whatever diesel would be expected to cost with oil at $29 a barrel) on a particular date. If diesel fuel stays below that price on or around the date, the value of that piece of paper is effectively zero. However, if diesel fuel rises above that price, the value of that piece of paper goes up as the price of diesel goes up, and Southwest either sells that piece of paper to someone right before the specified date, or cashes it in. In either event, it gets a check from whatever financial institution caught the crappy end of the bet, and deposits it in its checking account. Meanwhile, Southwest has been paying more than anticipated out of its checking account for the fuel that it has been buying, so the net amount in its checking account ends up being basically the same as it would be had it been buying most of its fuel at a price based upon $29 per barrel.

And although Southwest's financial folks look like geniuses for hedging at these fuel prices, remember that hedging is a two-way street. Its purpose is to "lock in" a price. So, if oil is at $50 a barrel, and you lock that in with futures, then fuel drops to $30 a barrel, you have spent money to lock in a price that you don't want. It's possible to do it so that you're not completely SOL, but the hedges are expensive enough to buy that if fuel drops below the hedged price, you won't be able to share in the benefit of the falling prices to the extent that your totally-unhedged rivals will. At the time that WN bought many of these hedges, it appeared that fuel might be going even lower, or, later, that it would be going back down. This could well have turned out to be a story of how the morons at WN had damaged their competitiveness by hedging too big a percentage of their fuel requirement at way too high a price, and heads would be rolling and shareholders would be suing and Congress would be calling for more disclosure of derivative transactions in financial statements. However, WN guessed right, and they look like geniuses.

So...to sum up: they pay the market price to every place from which they buy their fuel. Meanwhile, they get a big honkin' check on a regular basis from whatever financial institution lost the gamble when it made a bet with them that fuel would stay at or below $X.

I hope this makes sense.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2006-05-02 03:51:30 and read 15018 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
WN only goes to MDW since they can take over and dominate and run that airport into the ground since there is no WA as their is at DAL.

WN has been flying to MDW for more than 20 years. When they started, Midway Airlines was the big kahuna there. It, too, was originally an LCC, but I believe that they had by then converted to a Midwest-like all-biz carrier, and then were in the process of converting back to an LCC. MDW was known as a discount-carrier airport at the time. Nevertheless, NW flew to MSP and DTW from there, competing with Midway Airlines. After Midway Airlines went under, ATA developed its low-fare hub there. Kiwi flew in there for a while, as did some others. (PeoplExpress instead flew out of ORD.) The City of Chicago, which runs both airports, has long encouraged and supported development of the airport as a convenient spot, and was and still is happy to have all the discount carriers there.

When I lived in Chicago, I was actually around for WN's first flight, and remember hearing them check-in with the tower and being welcomed to Chicago. (I was dating someone at Midway Airlines at the time.) WN built its business up fair and square at MDW, with the encouragement of the City and many Chicagoans. I don't recall there being any fear of an "engulf and devour" strategy at Midway Airlines -- they believed that further use of the airport legitimized it, made it easier for the City to justify investing in it and the neighborhood, and basically that a rising tide floated all boats. As I recall, most of their senior executives really legitimately welcomed WN's presence, and they were right. It wasn't WN that ended up ruining them, it was their ill-advised attempt to challenge US at PHL.

That said, did they act aggressively a year or so ago to keep FL from gaining a big foothold there by offering more for TZ's gates and stuff? Yep. They did. But that came a very long time after their initial foray in there 20 years ago.

Bottom line: hate WN all you want, but history doesn't bear out this contention.


As to the operational statements, OPNLGuy basically covered it, but I would make these further observations. (1) Yeah, you'd rather divert to an online station, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that from either a safety or customer convenience perspective, if the only thing you're looking at is what is the fuel load going to be like an hour from now (as opposed to certain mech issues, where you need to put it down at the nearest suitable). But (2) if your diversion airport, for whatever reason, is starting to look even a little iffy, you'd be surprised how most professional crews (particularly when, as in the US, they're forced to be talking to a dispatcher sitting in a chair in a nice comfortable office somewhere who is paid to be a little dispassionate and a voice of reason) make the extra-safe call and do what these guys did today. Most importantly (3): People constantly underestimate the cooperative spirit that professionals in this business, even in rival companies, exercise towards their competitors in a pinch -- it's a matter of pride and it's the culture of the industry that folks take care of each other. It's why most major carriers regularly seek to do all sorts of services for their competitors, from ground handling to maintenance, and it is done routinely and without concern about the competitive picture. Yes, there are exceptions, but those are indeed exceptions brought on, in my view, by executive immaturity. It's why our pal OttoPylit, as much as he constantly lambastes FL, apparently has nonreved on them and been treated with respect. So...if Airline X needed to put a plane down somewhere where UA or AA might have to get involved to help them out, I suspect that they would do so without the slightest concern that they'd be treated less-than-professionally. Of course -- back to the beginning -- it's always easier to put it down where your own gals and guys will be, but if you can't, no worries.

Hope this helps.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2006-05-02 04:14:46 and read 14969 times.

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 18):
And yes, I know Purdue owns one, but sadly, it doesnt fly.

Is the Ex-UAL 727-100 still up there too? I remember being a Junior when we got that AC from United.

Quoting Mitchell Gant (Reply 23):
Football charters regularly bring A320's, 727-200's and 737-800's into LAF

I remember a NW 757 bringing a football charter in. I was practicing touch-and-goes on runway 23 and had to go around for wake turbulence cause they landed on 28.  Big grin

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Luv2fly
Posted 2006-05-02 04:18:35 and read 14942 times.

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 6):
I guess this was sort of appropriate, since it is a little known fact that Don Ogden (orig VP-Flight Opns for Southwest) hired many, many, many of the original Southwest pilots from supplemental carrier Purdue Airlines when that airline ceased operations.

Purdue flew DC-9s thus it was necessary to send most to Denver for training on the 737-200 at United.

If my memory serves me correctly, Southwest's original "Chief Hostess"...was a lady named Jan Arnold who also came from Purdue.

In addition to their duties with the supplemental/charter carrier Purdue Airlines, while at Purdue, Jan and her staff provided training for the Bunny Hostesses employed by Playboy magnate Hugh Hefner.

>> I wonder how did the WN feel to have to buy non-hedged fuel at Perdue. <<

Let me clear up a common misconception.

Southwest pays the pump price for fuel.

The hedges do not allow them to tell Texaco or Exxon or whoever the fuel provider is "Oh, we're only paying the equivalent of $36 per bbl for our fuel."

Rather, Southwest hedged their fuel through a combination of heating oil, kerosene, and similar commodities on the futures markets.

Somebody might chime in with a more detailed explanation, but Southwest's hedges actually are in the form of futures contracts or options, the profits of which offset the actual price paid at the pump.

I remember reading about Purdue and was going to bring up the comparrassion, though you beat me to it.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Calvin99
Posted 2006-05-02 04:21:13 and read 14931 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 28):
Is the Ex-UAL 727-100 still up there too? I remember being a Junior when we got that AC from United.

Yup, the B727 and B732 are still there although they are only static now.

Apologize for poor quality, only camera phone was available



Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: FutureUALpilot
Posted 2006-05-02 04:33:40 and read 14901 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 28):
Is the Ex-UAL 727-100 still up there too? I remember being a Junior when we got that AC from United.



Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 30):
Apologize for poor quality, only camera phone was available

Yes it is, we started it a couple weeks back. I got to sit in the Capt. seat...it was an experience I certainly won't forget.

Hey Calvin, when did you take those pics? I know the aircraft were arranged like that until very recently.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Scalebuilder
Posted 2006-05-02 04:38:51 and read 14892 times.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 26):
So, if oil is at $50 a barrel, and you lock that in with futures, then fuel drops to $30 a barrel, you have spent money to lock in a price that you don't want. It's possible to do it so that you're not completely SOL, but the hedges are expensive enough to buy that if fuel drops below the hedged price, you won't be able to share in the benefit of the falling prices to the extent that your totally-unhedged rivals will.

I really like your post!! Great info.

I have always thought that the participation of airlines to buy fuel at market prices, regardless of hedging strategy, would always be possible. The only cost incurred would be the cost of the financial instrument itself e.g. the option. Should fuel prices fall, these options will typically expire without any economic value. The airline, however, should still be able to benefit from the lower fuel price itself, but with the cost of the valueless option added to the total cost.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Calvin99
Posted 2006-05-02 04:44:38 and read 14877 times.

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 31):
Hey Calvin, when did you take those pics? I know the aircraft were arranged like that until very recently.

I took it last year actually when we were given a tour of the airport for one of my class. So its kind a outdated

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Joness0154
Posted 2006-05-02 04:54:26 and read 14848 times.

Well those planes are anything but static. They don't fly, but I was in the AT computer lab and I saw them taxiing the 727 around the tarmac a few days ago, it was pretty sweet  Smile We also got to play with them in AT247, firing up the APU, hydraulics, etc.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: FutureUALpilot
Posted 2006-05-02 04:59:49 and read 14834 times.

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 34):
Well those planes are anything but static. They don't fly, but I was in the AT computer lab and I saw them taxiing the 727 around the tarmac a few days ago, it was pretty sweet We also got to play with them in AT247, firing up the APU, hydraulics, etc.

Do they still taxi them around? I know I've seen them tow them but I haven't seen them taxi them thus far. What a small worlds...the class I started the APU/#1 engine is was AT247...who taught it when you had it?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Joness0154
Posted 2006-05-02 05:30:56 and read 14472 times.

Denver Lopp was my professor for AT247 last semester.

I think it was the A&P kids doing the taxi stuff on the 727, I remember them coming inside laughing about some of the stories they had on that thing  Smile

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: AirNaskar380
Posted 2006-05-02 05:51:41 and read 14237 times.

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 31):

Yes it is, we started it a couple weeks back. I got to sit in the Capt. seat...it was an experience I certainly won't forget.

Hey Calvin, when did you take those pics? I know the aircraft were arranged like that until very recently.

I graduated from Purdue in 2004, If you're a technology major I think you have to take AT 263 which is a fluid power class. The last lab we all got to taxi the 727 around the tarmac, it was quite the experience.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: FutureUALpilot
Posted 2006-05-02 14:30:12 and read 11626 times.

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 36):
Denver Lopp was my professor for AT247 last semester.

Good ol' Denver, he is my teacher...Im actually getting ready to go turn in his final.

Quoting AirNaskar380 (Reply 37):
graduated from Purdue in 2004, If you're a technology major I think you have to take AT 263 which is a fluid power class. The last lab we all got to taxi the 727 around the tarmac, it was quite the experience.

Good deal, I believe I will have to take that class...I hope we get to do that too!

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: SCCutler
Posted 2006-05-02 15:19:18 and read 11185 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
It's not exactly clear to me where in the Denver metro area they could go aside from DEN; I guess they decided that DEN would be a better option than COS or FNL.

They would beg the City and County of Denver to re-open Stapleton and give them exclusive rights, just like DAL!! That is how WN operates, just ask the Port Authority of Seattle and the folks at King County (BFI) with the crap they tried to pull last year! They treat local airport authorities like Wal-Mart treats city councils and planning commission's when they don't get exclusive preferential "poor LCC" treatment!!!! devil gnasher hissyfit mad vomit yuck

Exclusive rights?

Get a gift certificate. Call a cab. Destination: Clues-R-Us. Buy one.

The harsh treatment WN metes out to airports across the fruited plain explains why those same airports and their home cities are clamoring to be added to the WN network. Something about less-costly air travel, well-paid full-time employees, all that stuff.

"Exclusive, preferential..."?

Amazing.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: RootsAir
Posted 2006-05-02 15:34:57 and read 11046 times.

soory for my ignorance, but what's the big thing about Purdue ? And where is it?

thanks

regards

BM

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Mainliner
Posted 2006-05-02 16:42:01 and read 10383 times.

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 35):
Do they still taxi them around?

Some of my classmates were taxiing it a few days ago...if you have one of the top two grades our 727 ground class (AT384) then you get to take a turn taxiing the aircraft, along with a few randomly selected class mates. Unfortunately, I wasn't selected  Sad . I was doing pattern work for my CFI in a C172RG while they were taxiing and the noise from just the single operating engine was incredible.

Quoting Mitchell Gant (Reply 23):
Football charters regularly bring A320's, 727-200's and 737-800's into LAF. I recall a conversation I had with the previous LAF airport manager over ten years ago, when he told me that the largest aircraft to land at LAF was a DC-8-60 in the 1970's.

Absolutely. My dad said that they used to fly out of LAF on DC-8s when he was on the football team in the 70's. Today the football team regularly charters Champion Air 722's and Miami Air 738's. Apparently the Journal and Courier overlooked that little detail.

Unfortunately, I was done flying for the day when the WN 737 arrived...I missed it by an hour
 banghead  .

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: N911ME
Posted 2006-05-02 17:25:48 and read 9883 times.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 41):
Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 35):
Do they still taxi them around?

It's part of the A&P training: to train future A&Ps on taxiing a transport category aircraft as it is one of the duties of an airline maintenance technician.

The AOT students taxi the 72 or 73 around in AT 307.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Greenguy01
Posted 2006-05-02 17:43:08 and read 9657 times.

Denver had us stand in the jetwash one day when I was taking his class back in 1999. That was fun. Only one engine was running and it was at idle.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: ScottB
Posted 2006-05-02 18:04:03 and read 9448 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
They would beg the City and County of Denver to re-open Stapleton and give them exclusive rights, just like DAL!!

No, not like DAL in any way, shape, or form. DAL never closed, and Southwest has no "exclusive rights" at DAL. There are gates available at DAL should airlines wish to commence service there, and AA just restarted DAL service with a dozen or so dailies two months ago. Stapleton no longer exists as an airfield in any event.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
That is how WN operates, just ask the Port Authority of Seattle and the folks at King County (BFI) with the crap they tried to pull last year!

They asked for permission to build a terminal at an airport with facilities that can support 737's. They didn't get it. And frankly, the Port of Seattle had let SEA's costs get totally out of control (and way higher than they had told the airlines a few years back). The Port magically figured out a way to get costs down going forward, and everyone at SEA benefitted.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
They treat local airport authorities like Wal-Mart treats city councils and planning commission's when they don't get exclusive preferential "poor LCC" treatment!!!!

SCCutler probably said it better than I ever could, but you and Whitney need to put down the crackpipe. How many cities/airports can you name that are saying, "We don't want Southwest here?"

What did Philadelphia say when Southwest started service?

Quote:
Philadelphia International Airport (PHL) embarked on a new and exciting chapter in its long history when the nation's No. 1 low-fare carrier, Southwest Airlines, inaugurated service on Sunday, May 9. The milestone event has been greatly anticipated since Southwest announced last October that it was coming to Philadelphia.

"This is truly a remarkable occasion," said Charles J. Isdell, the City's Director of Aviation. "Southwest Airlines is destined to have an enormous and positive impact on air service in Philadelphia. Travelers from throughout the region will benefit from unprecedented low fares on an airline that has consistently established industry standards in outstanding customer service and reliability. We are extremely pleased and excited to be a part of the Southwest family of airports served."

How about Pittsburgh?

Quote:
"Since becoming Executive Director, the one airline that people have most requested to start service at Pittsburgh has been Southwest Airlines. And now it is a reality. Southwest is finally on their way to Pittsburgh International Airport. The region has asked for Southwest. And now air travelers need to take advantage of the exciting new brand of air service," said Kent G. George, Executive Director, Allegheny County Airport Authority.

Denver?

Quote:
Denver officials Thursday said Southwest Airlines’ announcement that it will begin service to Denver International Airport early next year is good news for the traveling public in the Rocky Mountain region.

“We welcome Southwest to the Mile High City,” said Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper. “Southwest has the reputation of being one of the toughest competitors in the airline industry, but so are Frontier and United and the other carriers based at DIA. We welcome Southwest to join the family, knowing that everyone who flies in and out of the Denver metro region will benefit from the lower prices that the new competition will bring.”

Turner West, co-manager of aviation at DEN, said Southwest’s entry into the Denver market will be “great news for travelers throughout the Rocky Mountain area that is served by Denver International Airport. “Denver will now be served by most of the low-fare carriers in the country, and more competition generally results in lower fares.”

MWAA, proprietor of Washington Dulles?

Quote:
“We are very pleased to welcome Southwest Airlines to Dulles,” said James E. Bennett, President/CEO of the Airports Authority. “Their highly-regarded low fare service will be an important complement to our existing full range of air service at Dulles.”

Yup, sure sounds like they're all really sad about Southwest coming to town...NOT.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Rampart
Posted 2006-05-02 18:12:58 and read 9354 times.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 39):
Get a gift certificate. Call a cab. Destination: Clues-R-Us. Buy one.

The harsh treatment WN metes out to airports across the fruited plain explains why those same airports and their home cities are clamoring to be added to the WN network. Something about less-costly air travel, well-paid full-time employees, all that stuff.

That was rich!  bigthumbsup 

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: YZFOO7F
Posted 2006-05-02 18:33:52 and read 9107 times.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't think Purdue to have a secure area, or any TSA there. Wouldn't this have been a problem flying back into a secure airport?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Coa747
Posted 2006-05-02 19:21:18 and read 8644 times.

As for small airfields seeing heavy metal there was a good article in Airways about a tower controler in New York who worked a small airport with no BRITE for assistance and routinely had Pan Am 747's doing touch and other airlines heavy metal most up from JFK for practice, most likely crews getting in their minimum required landings and takeoffs to stay legal.

Is this SLCUT2777 guy for real. Obviously an American fan or worse employee who has been drinking the punch for too long. If I recall American Airlines is about the last airline that has the right to speak about preditory practices. Weren't they fined heavily for their preditory activities at DFW against numerous airlines. Wasn't there a little airline called Legend which they crushed into to the ground by running first class only MD-80's on the same routes out of Love? Your comments about Southwest are laughable. American is about as bad as you can get if you ask me. Don't believe just ask the thousands of proud TWA employees who lost their jobs when American took them over. That whole deal reeked of what Lorenzo did to Eastern.

I think it is all a bunch of sour grapes because Southwest has been stealing market share from American for years. Is it Southwest's fault that the suits at American didn't have a clue how to run an airline for so long. Funny how Continental seems to have no problem competing with Southwest in Houston. Just seems to be American who can't compete. Don't get me started.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Joness0154
Posted 2006-05-02 19:28:06 and read 8571 times.

Quoting YZFOO7F (Reply 46):
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't think Purdue to have a secure area, or any TSA there. Wouldn't this have been a problem flying back into a secure airport?

We do have a terminal, complete with metal detectors and X-ray machines. However, I do not know who would've been operating them at the time, as I certainly dont see any TSA around here at all after the regionals left

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Loggat
Posted 2006-05-02 20:56:59 and read 7847 times.

Who took care of ground handling for this diversion? (Laf Av?)

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Coa747
Posted 2006-05-02 21:49:34 and read 7394 times.

Most of the time on these types of weather diversions don't they usually just hardstand the aircraft and no one gets off unless the delay is unusually lengthy. My brother worked for Delta in Austin back in the Mueller days and they would receive diversions from DFW and IAH all the time and they would just park them on the taxiways as ramp space their was very limited. A couple of times he had to meet a DAL L-1011 and an MD-11 and seeing as how they had no equipment to service a widebody they had to crank the belt loader up as high as it would go so he could gain entry into the L1 door. It was very interesting to say the least walking up a rain soaked belt loader at that extreme angle.

The only time I have been on a plane that diverted due to weather and got off the plane was when I flew PDX-SEA a few years ago on the way to ANC. Fog had SeaTac closed for a while so we spun circles over Mount St. Helens which wasn't all bad. When we finally did shoot an approach we missed and ended up diverting to Boeing Field. Sat on the ground for 3 hours before they finally told us we would be bussed over to SeaTac and have to recheck all our junk. Bad thing for me was I was moving to Alaska and so I had three suitcases and a steamer trunk full of stuff. That wasn't too fun dealing with that.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Goodmanr
Posted 2006-05-02 22:22:19 and read 7109 times.

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 6):

Somebody might chime in with a more detailed explanation, but Southwest's hedges actually are in the form of futures contracts or options, the profits of which offset the actual price paid at the pump.

I think a better explination is that derivatives contracts (especially on commodities) are never actually settled with the underlying asset, they are settled with cash, i.e. southwest has one contract hedges fuel at $28bbl while the price is $78bbl and they hedged 100,000 barrels, the contract expires, they are paid cash of 50*100,000 or they get additional contracts worth this amount...

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2006-05-02 23:28:09 and read 6963 times.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 40):
soory for my ignorance, but what's the big thing about Purdue ? And where is it?

thanks

regards

BM

Sorta mean that nobody responded to you yet. I'm not really plugged in on this or anything, but...

Perdue University has its main campus located in West Lafayette, Indiana, which is about 65 miles northwest of IND and 126 miles southeast of Chicago. The University is about 140 years old (1869) and has almost 39,000 students at its main campus (which makes it about 10 times the size of my college -- wow!) and another 30,000 throughout its system. It's a big sports school, with 9 of its men's and women's teams in the most-followed amateur college athletic division (i.e. the one that competes on the highest skill level).

While many Americans know it for its sports, it also has a great and highly-respected engineering graduate (as opposed to undergraduate) program. In the engineering school, which is one of the largest engineering schools in the country, they have an aeronautics program. They also have an "aviation technology" program. That program has a couple of vintage jet aircraft which they use for certain hands-on courses. There is also an airport there, with a control tower, that is a busy general aviation airport, and which used to have some commuter service to it, but no more. It has a 6600' x 150' runway which can land jets, and it has a control tower and two passenger terminal buildings. The airport is where the Southwest flight in question landed.

Hope this helps.

[Edited 2006-05-02 23:29:01]

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2006-05-02 23:28:47 and read 6963 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Heaven forbid they ever put one of their a/c on an O'Hare runway!

It's actually happened before. Don't faint now...

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 27):
Most importantly (3): People constantly underestimate the cooperative spirit that professionals in this business, even in rival companies, exercise towards their competitors in a pinch -- it's a matter of pride and it's the culture of the industry that folks take care of each other. It's why most major carriers regularly seek to do all sorts of services for their competitors, from ground handling to maintenance, and it is done routinely and without concern about the competitive picture.

Indeed. It amazes me how many people don't realize that, despite the competetive spirit, at the airport level all the employees are largely in the same boat. The baggage service agents are all friends, they talk between flights, buy each other lunch now again, give each other rides to the employee lot or even home on occaision... At the ticket counter if the bag scale is broken, no problem, go ask to use your neighbor's. Bag belts are busted? The other airlines will let you send the bags down their belt until the Airport gets it fixed. Need to get home because one of your parents is sick, died, had an accident, etc, they have interline pass agreements if all your own flights are full. At the employee to employee level the US airline industry is much more familial than competitive.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Coa747
Posted 2006-05-02 23:36:55 and read 6943 times.

Antoneimey I would agree with what you said, for most airlines but American doesn't have a history of being so accomodating. Just ask any ex Braniff people and you will see what I mean. American back in the day did everything short of steal to drive Braniff out of DFW. They would book people on their flights especially the daily Hawaii flight so they would appear full and then low and behold none of the AA booking ever showed. Their pilots on numberous occassions would turndle down the runway ignoring the towers instructions to vacate just to force a Braniff plane to go around behind. That kind of stuff isn't just stupid but it's downright crazy and could get your wings clipped. Braniff did however seek some revenge in dumping some hangar queens on them from their 727 fleet.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2006-05-03 01:55:31 and read 6865 times.

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 36):
Denver Lopp was my professor for AT247 last semester.

Are Mike Nolan and Jim Dixie still teaching? I had a blast in Dixie's class building an airline from scratch..

Larry Gross and Mitch Grundman still giving pilot checkrides over at the T-hangars? I will never forget my Comm/Inst checkride with Mitch! Nor will I forget the spin training with Mike Lasley.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Joness0154
Posted 2006-05-03 05:12:24 and read 6750 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 55):
Are Mike Nolan and Jim Dixie still teaching? I had a blast in Dixie's class building an airline from scratch..

Larry Gross and Mitch Grundman still giving pilot checkrides over at the T-hangars? I will never forget my Comm/Inst checkride with Mitch! Nor will I forget the spin training with Mike Lasley.

Don't know about everyone else, but Mike Nolan is definitely still there. I am in his AT300 (Aviation Infrastructure) class right now, and will be taking AT369 (Air Traffic Control Operations) next semester.

Haven't done any checkrides here yet so I dunno about any of the DE's.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Mainliner
Posted 2006-05-03 06:08:27 and read 6702 times.

I hate to nitpick, but Perdue = chicken...Purdue = university.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: N911ME
Posted 2006-05-03 17:02:45 and read 6583 times.

Larry Gross and Mitch Grundman are still here too, both working out of Hangar 6.

Swadispatcher, where did you get your Flight Dispatcher training from? They don't offer it anymore here at Purdue, and that's what I'm looking to go into.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-05-03 17:57:22 and read 6548 times.

Quoting N911ME (Reply 58):
Swadispatcher, where did you get your Flight Dispatcher training from? They don't offer it anymore here at Purdue, and that's what I'm looking to go into.

ADF has the FAA list of approved Part 65 dispatch schools linked to its site, but the link seems to be down right now. You might try to email the FAA guy who keeps the list up to date directly, and see if he'll email you a copy. Email to: GORDON.ROTHER@FAA.GOV

As a former designated examiner, a word of warning. Schools like to make claims so they can get butts in seats, and some claims are more reasonable than others. One site I can recall proclaimed "Airlines are hiring now!" but as always, the devil's in the details. The general statement is true, in that airlines are nearly always hiring, but in entry-level positions. Most dispatch offices don't hire off the street, and instead get their personnel from internal transfers elsewhere within the company. A school making such a claim is inferring that airlines are hiring dispatchers now, and that's not usually the case.

All that said, some (usually smaller) outfits do indeed hire off the street. Some may want previous dispatcher experience, some may not. Keep in mind that if you put in 2-3 years at a smaller outfit and then decided to go to work for a bigger airline, it's not a direct lateral move. If the bigger airline only hires internals, as an outsider you're then out of luck. If you can get on with the bigger airline in an entry-level job, you'll have better luck, and your previous experience will put you ahead of other internals who don't have any.

Unless you plan to go right out after dispatcher school graduation and work for an airline that hires right off the street, I'd hold off on getting a license. I've seen many folks spend big bucks on their license, and go out immediately expecting to get hired on at big airline as a dispatcher. If they take an entry-level position, it could be 2-3 years before they get a shot at an assistant dispatcher opening, and by that time, much of what they learned in school has been forgotten. If one has the self-discipline to stay current on what they learned, that's a different story, but it takes work.

Just a personal opinon, but if someone wants to dispatch for a big airline, a better path would be to:

1/ Pick the airline you eventually want to dispatch for, balancing both the airline, and the location of their dispatch office (a single office, usually in their HQ city). I say "balance" because you may love the airline, but hate the city, or love the city and hate the airline.

2/ Once you decide upon the airline, go for any entry-level position that you can find. It get's your company seniority going, as well as travel benefits, and, oh yes, a paycheck. Most companies have a minimum time before you can transfer elsewhere in the company (usually 1 year), so the quicker you get that over with the better.

3/ Now that you're gainfully employed, and you've met whatever the minimum transfer time is, that's the time to go after your license, so you can be ready for any internal openings that may come up.

4/ You can start learning before you get to dispatch class. Consider taking a private pilot ground school, and maybe an instrument one too. Getting as much background as you can will avoid your having to ask overly-basic questions as to why runway 13 is called runway 13, and other things that may slow down the class.

Good luck!

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2006-05-04 00:15:42 and read 6396 times.

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 56):
Don't know about everyone else, but Mike Nolan is definitely still there. I am in his AT300 (Aviation Infrastructure) class right now, and will be taking AT369 (Air Traffic Control Operations) next semester.

AT369 was one of THE best classes I took in the Av Mgmt program. I was looking forward to taking it for 2 years! I came very close to applying for ATC school in OKC; I had taken the exam in class and did very well.

Quoting N911ME (Reply 58):
Swadispatcher, where did you get your Flight Dispatcher training from? They don't offer it anymore here at Purdue, and that's what I'm looking to go into.

I went through the Aviation Mgmt program at Purdue, but it was the 5 year program.. (I originally started in Aero/Astro Engineering and didn't like it). I got a BS in Av Mgmt and double minors in Airline Ops (flying over at the hangars) and Atmospheric Science (I took as many ATMS courses as I could squeeze into 20-21 credit hours/semester).

I had been working for WN quite a few years in BWI before I moved down to DAL. I didn't get my Dispatcher's Certificate until I had been down here in DAL a year, but I was able to take vacation time and take the 2 week accelerated course because I had flying experience (Comm/Instr ticket). I went to a school in Hurst, TX called Aircraft Flight Dispatch Training Center, but I don't know if it's still around..

OPNL, do you know if it's still around?

N911ME- PM me if you want any more info.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2006-05-04 00:27:26 and read 6383 times.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...4/history/20060430/1452Z/KMCO/KMDW

That's the flight according to flight aware.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 Jet Lands At Purdue
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-05-04 00:44:08 and read 6361 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 60):
OPNL, do you know if it's still around?

Not under that name. The owner of AFDTC sold it to others and I believe they re-incarnated it as the Institute of Flight Dispatch (IFOD)....


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