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Topic: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2006-05-09 14:53:38 and read 3075 times.

Check this out over at USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-05-09-china-airports_x.htm
Besides Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, what additional cities in China will require direct service to the USA/Canada? To the EU?

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-05-09 15:03:49 and read 3065 times.

From Canada:
Definitely Guangzhou will be the next city served by Air Canada, and perhaps Harmony Airways to Macau. Perhaps once the 787's arrive on the scene, could see service between North America and Xian and Guilin which are increasingly huge tourist areas.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2006-05-09 15:12:19 and read 3055 times.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 1):
From Canada:
Definitely Guangzhou will be the next city served by Air Canada, and perhaps Harmony Airways to Macau. Perhaps once the 787's arrive on the scene, could see service between North America and Xian and Guilin which are increasingly huge tourist areas.

From YVR or YYZ? YVR seams to be Canada's LAX and SFO rolled into one, but Toronto (YYZ) is still the O'Hare (ORD) and NYC (JFK) rolled into one.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: A342
Posted 2006-05-09 15:46:03 and read 3011 times.

Oh man !

At first I thought that they wanted to BUILD 48 new airports...

But who knows, it 10 or 15 years this number might be reached...

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-05-09 20:12:21 and read 2885 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
From YVR or YYZ?

Vancouver - Guangzhou is the next Canada/China route up for implmentation (AC). Aircraft availability pending, both YYZ-PEK & YYZ-PVG (commencing June 06 - 3 weekly) should see year round daily service.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: AirCanada014
Posted 2006-05-10 01:33:43 and read 2763 times.

Could we see AC flying into BBK and or SIN using the 5th freedom from LAX or LHR?

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2006-05-10 02:46:36 and read 2720 times.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 5):
Could we see AC flying into BBK and or SIN using the 5th freedom from LAX or LHR?

I think the best prospect for BKK or SIN would be YVR. As there are no flights between YVR & BKK, they'd be exploiting a new opportunity, and given only 3 weekly flights between YVR & SIN, the route is underserved. Given the cooperative nature of the Star Partners, don't think AC would go head to head with TG or SQ at either LAX or LHR.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: COSPN
Posted 2006-05-11 07:26:09 and read 2581 times.

Yes but go to LAX or SFO and run it many times a week...lets see how AC does with the LAX-SYD first...

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: IcelandairMSP
Posted 2006-05-11 07:55:17 and read 2570 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Thread starter):
Besides Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, what additional cities in China will require direct service to the USA/Canada? To the EU?

Aside from those and Guangzhou, few other cities in China are worthy of such a long flight from Europe/North America. Guangzhou just opened its gorgeous, enormous new terminal and is starting work on the second, larger phase while Beijing and Shanghai will both have behemoth new terminals open by 2007. China's four largest airlines: China Southern, Air China, China Eastern, and Cathay, all have primary hubs in those four cities. The majority of China's biggest businesses are based in or around those four cities and other large cities like Chengdu, Kunming, Dalian, Qingdao, Xian, and Chongqing have extensive networks in Asia now allowing more feed from places outside of China.

Basically, China's aviation market is concentrating long-haul into four airports by and large. Someday, we might see a Chongqing or a Dalian flight to LAX or LHR, but for now "the face of China" (i.e. it's most modern, clean, and visible cities) will remain as the overwhelming gateways.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2006-05-11 08:09:32 and read 2553 times.

UA have applied to serve SFO-CAN.

There are 12 cities in China with a population of more than 5 million persons. All of these could use nonstop service to the States within the next 10 to 15 years.

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: Centrair
Posted 2006-05-11 08:57:05 and read 2524 times.

Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 8):
Chengdu, Kunming, Dalian, Qingdao, Xian, and Chongqing

After that...
Changsha, Urumuqi, Harbin, Guilin, Tianjin, Xiamen, Nanjing, Haikou, Fuzhou, Wuhan, Changchun, Xizang, Ningbo, Shenjyang, Hangzhou, ... Basically every chinese destination that Dragon Air flies plus a few more. But I can't image many of these airports being able to support non-stop to Europe or North America. Changsha would need huge upgrades and a reason to go there. I studied there in college...their ain't nothing there except an air conditioner maker and Mao Zedong's home. Who knows maybe they don't use tractors anymore to get baggage from the plane to the terminal?

Topic: RE: China Plans To Open 48 New Airports
Username: IcelandairMSP
Posted 2006-05-11 09:07:38 and read 2518 times.

I don't know though. As an architecture student, one of my favorite books is a coffee tabler called "Architecture of Airports" and it has just rendering after rendering of ultra-modern Chinese airports. They're really making an effort to boost the country's international image. The gist of the bit about Chinese airports is that they're all getting redone to international standards over the next several years (ones like Shenyang, Shenzhen, Qingdao, and Xian are already done).

But, there's the whole thing about SEZs in China. The reason Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Xiamen have seen a flurry of new airlines (though the latter not long hauls) is their initial status as SEZs. Now that other cities like Dalian, Qingdao, Chengdu, Nanjing, and Wuhan have started to peek out as some of the most prominent of the plethora of China's million+ cities, I would expect concentration there. China's got a bursting economy, but look at the figures. Large, disproportionate chunks are from Guangdong (Guangzhou and Shenzhen's province), Shanghai, Beijing, and (though it isn't included in official statistics) Hong Kong. Other wealthy provinces like Shandong, Zhejiang, and Fujian all have high GDPs, but it's most agricultural and manufacturing; the dinosaur legacy of the economy. PEK, PVG, HKG, and CAN have got the financial sectors in place and will demand the most intercontinental travel. The more domestic economical hubs like any large Chinese city will remain that: domestic hubs. But, it is China after all. The economy is quite robust and I'm sure other cities will get some more international importance.


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