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Topic: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2006-05-17 14:58:58 and read 5517 times.

From this thread on Pprune.
Apparently SOU-AMS to be launched, 4 x Daily using E145s

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: RJ100
Posted 2006-05-17 15:06:07 and read 5507 times.

Interesting. Do they have some aircraft based in SOU already?

Is there a lot of demand between the cities? Why not twice daily and opening a second route out of SOU?
Anyway, good luck to them.

Regards,
RJ100

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Joost
Posted 2006-05-17 15:19:45 and read 5474 times.

Untill now, SOU seemed to be the only British airport of relative importance not linked to AMS. All major and regional UK airports have multiple dalies to AMS so I'm not surprised at all that a carrier picks up SOU-AMS. Didn't Air Waled or Scot air used to fly it before?

UK Airports with flights to AMS are:
LHR BA KL BD
LGW BA U2
STN U2
LTN U2
LCY KL VG
BRS KL U2
CWL KL WW
BOH TOM
BHX KL WW
CVT TOM
NWI KL
MAN KL LS
LPL U2
EMA WW
DSA TOM
MME KL
NCL KL LS
BLK LS (soon)
GLA KL GSM
ABZ KL BD
EDI KL U2

(and I surely forgot one or two)

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2006-05-17 15:22:39 and read 5466 times.

SOU has 2/3 daily flights to AMS with Scot Airways using Do328S

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-05-17 15:24:01 and read 5466 times.

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
(and I surely forgot one or two)

Pretty good list though!

LBA is the only one I can think of that isn't there. There are numerous daily flights by LS and KL.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: JRadier
Posted 2006-05-17 15:28:19 and read 5446 times.

WTF.... 4x Daily?????

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Untill now, SOU seemed to be the only British airport of relative importance not linked to AMS.

Besides the 4x Daily Scot Airways (CB) flights with Dornier 328's, there are indeed no carriers operating the route.....

damn.... GKirk beat me to it

[Edited 2006-05-17 15:28:56]

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2006-05-17 16:45:42 and read 5366 times.

Well, it's now official
http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/abou...essreleases.aspx?year=2006&rid=912

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Joost
Posted 2006-05-17 16:45:59 and read 5366 times.

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Besides the 4x Daily Scot Airways (CB) flights with Dornier 328's,

Thanks for correcting, I thought this route had been ceased.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BmiBaby737
Posted 2006-05-17 16:47:02 and read 5366 times.

Will they really full this many flights every day? Seems like alot....

Quoting Flybmi.com:
Flight schedules
Southampton-Amsterdam
depart 06:40, arrive 08:50 (Monday-Friday)
depart 07:00, arrive 08:15 (Saturday)
depart 10:50, arrive 13:00 (Monday-Friday)
depart 14:15, arrive 16:30 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)
depart 17:10, arrive 19:25 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)

Amsterdam-Southampton
depart 09:45, arrive 09:55 (Saturday)
depart 10:10, arrive 10:20 (Monday-Friday)
depart 13:35, arrive 13:45 (Monday-Friday)
depart 17:00, arrive 17:10 (Monday-Friday & Sunday)
depart 19:45, arrive 19:55 (Monday-Friday)
depart 20:25, arrive 20:35 (Sunday)

BmiBaby737 / Jimmi

[Edited 2006-05-17 16:48:54]

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: JRadier
Posted 2006-05-17 17:34:26 and read 5294 times.

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Thanks for correcting, I thought this route had been ceased.

It used to be operated by Suckling, who became Scot  Wink

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BMED
Posted 2006-05-17 17:43:51 and read 5270 times.

Both bmi and scot airways now surprise me. They both have 1 aircraft based at SOU to operate one route. Surely it would be more worth while to expand destinations. Scot airways to Scotland. I'm guessing that bmi will have to base an aircraft at SOU, if not, wheres it going to come from. Does anyone see a weekend charter flight to Jersey appearing like they did from Leeds? Otherwise it seems silly to have an aircraft only flying a single short route once a day?

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Drinkstrolley
Posted 2006-05-17 17:48:34 and read 5250 times.

These regional airports really are opening up now, and it's great to see.

Both SOU and BOH are being served by some good carriers now, and it saves trekking up to LHR or LGW. The Scotairways fare to AMS is mental at the best of times so perhaps we'll see some the "Baby" fares from BMI?

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2006-05-17 17:50:39 and read 5250 times.

Do they only count on O/D traffic? Making an Emb-145 work tickets will be a bit pricey compared London flights, same like Scot Airways. I'd imagine even the smallest backwater in England is lucrative for KLM/KLC to fly on to feed their network but apart from a handfull of SAS/LH/OS/LX aircraft there is not any Star Alliance to feed at AMS. Same with SOU, also little to feed there. I'd have rather thought that BD should fly more to Star hubs like Frankfurt, Copenhagen and Vienna from smaller airports in England like Manchester, Edinburgh, EMA etc.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2006-05-17 18:16:47 and read 5208 times.

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Reply 12):
smaller airports in England like Manchester, Edinburgh, EMA etc.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
Manchester = Small?  crazy 
Edinburgh = England  crazy  crazy 
By any chance MEA-707, are you  drunk  at the moment?  Wink

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2006-05-17 18:29:32 and read 5188 times.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
Manchester = Small?
Edinburgh = England

Oops my bad, thought BMI had more mid size focus airports in the UK like EMA, Teesside and so and had this sentence typed before I checked their routemap. If they had developed Manchester more with long haul flights, it could have been a feed-hub. I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

Everyone in the Netherlands (don't say Holland   ) talks about England when they mean that island with Wales and Scotland on it as well. "Groot Brittannië" spelling in dutch is worse and different then the English version Great Britain, why the double T's and N's? I still always have to look up if it's Brittannië, Britannië or whatever, and also Verenigd Koninkrijk is just so annoying to pronounce or spell. Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.

[Edited 2006-05-17 18:32:21]

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2006-05-17 18:32:50 and read 5177 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.

Well England is Eng-land
Scotland is Scot-land
Wales is Sheep-Land  duck 

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: JRadier
Posted 2006-05-17 19:20:04 and read 5099 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Everyone in the Netherlands (don't say Holland )

technically AMS is in holland  Wink

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Joost
Posted 2006-05-17 19:40:03 and read 5058 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

When you look at the European airports, you can see that often the major (often the capital) airport links to many other capitals and has long-haul flights, and that long-haul or even 'exotic' European flights from a countries' second airport are rare.

In Germany, Dusseldorf and Berlin have a huge population, but hardly any long-haul flights, and a very strong portion of leisure and charter flights. Barcelona, Manchester and Lyon are in a same league.

Quote:
doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

There is not such a difference between links to European capitals between London and Amsterdam, both airports link to almost every capital airport.

Only exceptions I can think of are:

Bern: It's linked to London, but not to AMS. (but, of course, it's not the countries major airport, and ZRH, BSL and GVA have a whole bunch of AMS flights)

Minsk: LHR has a Belavia flight but AFAIK AMS is not linked with Minsk.

Tirana: BA flies 3 weekly from LGW

And both airports don't link to Chisinau. For the rest, there is no such a difference.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Flyingfool
Posted 2006-05-17 21:37:25 and read 4968 times.

The new 3x daily bmi Regional ABZ flights are also pretty well filled with passengers...

@Joost: you can also add the following airports to your list:

PIK - HV
HUY - KL
BFS - U2

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: AJO
Posted 2006-05-17 21:55:37 and read 4923 times.

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 8):
Flight schedules
Southampton-Amsterdam
depart 07:00, arrive 08:15 (Saturday)

I know Embraer builds TURBO props, but isn't 15 minutes of scheduled flying time pushing the limits a bit?  Smile
(and I checked it, the BD website does indeed list the above schedule)

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Petertenthije
Posted 2006-05-17 22:00:20 and read 4908 times.

Quoting AJO (Reply 19):
I know Embraer builds TURBO props, but isn't 15 minutes of scheduled flying time pushing the limits a bit?
(and I checked it, the BD website does indeed list the above schedule)

You must include the 1 hour time difference.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: NoelG
Posted 2006-05-17 22:00:48 and read 4908 times.

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
EMA WW

Only one flight a day though - no good for a day trip Sad

How comes all the chavs down in SOU get 7 times daily and we only get once?  Wink

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Humberside
Posted 2006-05-17 22:15:20 and read 4899 times.

Im not as critical of bmi as some others but I cant understand why SOU-AMS over, for example, EDI-MUC, which when announced seemed to be one of bmi's better decisions. It provided links into a Star hub and opened an important new city to city link between Edinburgh and Munich. There was also no direct competition

SOU-AMS is competing with another airline. The route may be in need of extra capacity but surely there are other routes bmi should be looking to serve first?

I hope SOU-AMS works out for bmi but will they even start it? Im sure everyone remembers EDI-MUC and LTN-BRU

Humberside

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BDKLEZ
Posted 2006-05-17 22:40:50 and read 4873 times.

Personally, I wouldv'e thought that a WW service as opposed to bmi Regional would have served the route better.

It would offer an alternative service as opposed to that already offered by CB. Scot have been serving the route for many years and will have built up a loyal customer base of those who would prefer not to travel to LGW to avail of an AMS service.

Regardless, I can see the route using the 135's and if I look at the proposed schedule, it looks like it will require 2x aircraft and will require a crew base at SOU.

We shall see what happens.  scratchchin 

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: HUYfan
Posted 2006-05-17 22:42:14 and read 4869 times.

Scheduled flights from the UK to Amsterdam are as follows;

Aberdeen Bmi
Aberdeen KLM
Edinburgh easyJet
Edinburgh KLM
Glasgow Flyglobespan
Glasgow KLM
Prestwick Transavia
Belfast International easyJet
Newcastle Jet2
Newcastle KLM
Durham Tees Valley KLM
Leeds Bradford Jet2
Leeds Bradford KLM
Humberside KLM
Doncaster Sheffield Thomsonfly
Blackpool Jet2
Liverpool easyJet
Manchester Jet2
Manchester KLM
Nottingham East Midlands bmibaby
Coventry Thomsonfly
Birmingham bmibaby
Birmingham KLM
Norwich KLM
London Luton easyJet
London Stansted easyJet
London City KLM
London City VLM
London Gatwick British Airways
London Gatwick easyJet
London Heathrow Bmi
London Heathrow British Airways
London Heathrow KLM
Southampton Bmi
Southampton Scot Airways
Bournemouth Thomsonfly
Bristol easyJet
Bristol KLM
Cardiff bmibaby
Cardiff KLM

In addition to the new Bmi SOU flights, Flybe are rumoured to be looking at Exeter, Norwich and Southampton to Amsterdam.

Regards

Mike

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: ScottishLaddie
Posted 2006-05-17 22:52:16 and read 4847 times.

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 24):
Glasgow Flyglobespan

Dropped from 4th June or sometime round then.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Zkojh
Posted 2006-05-18 02:20:56 and read 4732 times.

oh my god, BD at it again why can't they just get it together and make good use of there hubs before expanding out, lets see a MAN-AMS would be nice!

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BDKLEZ
Posted 2006-05-18 02:24:19 and read 4727 times.

Indeed, MAN-AMS is currently not served by any carrier!

[Edited 2006-05-18 02:25:39]

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Bmiexpat
Posted 2006-05-18 04:25:47 and read 4694 times.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 26):
oh my god, BD at it again why can't they just get it together and make good use of there hubs before expanding out,

bmi regional is a very profitable part of the bmi group, serving niche, high yield markets with small jets and clearly does very well. As far as bmi regional is concerned they have already got it together.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Bmiexpat
Posted 2006-05-18 04:32:49 and read 4690 times.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 27):
Indeed, MAN-AMS is currently not served by any carrier!

You used to work for them so you should know KLM flies 6 times daily... or are you being sarcastic (Just the way we liked you in AMS!)?

I do think though that bmi regional operating MAN-AMS is long overdue!

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Joost
Posted 2006-05-18 08:27:09 and read 4664 times.

Quoting Bmiexpat (Reply 29):
You used to work for them so you should know KLM flies 6 times daily...

7 now:
5x 737
1x F100
1x F70

Not sure if MAN is such a good idea; Jet2 already scaled back it's operations from 3 to 2 daily flights.

Does BMI regional have some big company contract to fill a guaranteed numer of seats on the routes, just like they have on AMS-ABZ and GRQ-ABZ?

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Pieinthesky
Posted 2006-05-18 09:53:19 and read 4625 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
I know Manchester and it's a huge domestic and holiday airport but doesn't have the many links with other european capitals as London or even Amsterdam has.

I'd be interested to see a list of the major European capitals that MAN has no scheduled flight to. It's obviously not going to have as many as as AMS and 'London' (just 4 or 5 airports there..) but at 22 million pax a year I'd hardly call it small.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BDKLEZ
Posted 2006-05-18 10:34:17 and read 4587 times.

Quoting Bmiexpat (Reply 29):
You used to work for them so you should know KLM flies 6 times daily.

Posting whilst a bit drunk and attempting sarcasm at the same time; not a good combination!

Quoting Bmiexpat (Reply 29):
(Just the way we liked you in AMS!)?

Is that you Steve?  scratchchin 

Quoting Bmiexpat (Reply 29):
I do think though that bmi regional operating MAN-AMS is long overdue!

Indeed. In fact, I would've thought that the since the "birth" of Tiny, that EMA would've been best served by WW with the Regional services transferring to MAN with routes including CDG/AMS/BRU along with UK services including BHD and possibly a DUB.

With the launch of BACON recently, perhaps now is the time to introduce more Regional services to MAN in order differentiate and offer an alternative to BA Connect. Plenty of lo-co operations already from MAN and LPL, but only very limited full service products by any UK airline.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: AirNZ
Posted 2006-05-18 13:08:09 and read 4441 times.

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
(and I surely forgot one or two)

Yep, you did........BFS

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Sorry on behalf of everyone here but you Brits should have come up with a nice 2 syllable name for your country.

We do.......it's UK

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: BDKLEZ
Posted 2006-05-18 13:10:14 and read 4434 times.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 33):
We do.......it's UK

 rotfl 

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: IMatAMS
Posted 2006-05-18 13:18:18 and read 4411 times.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 26):
oh my god, BD at it again why can't they just get it together

Despite all the bashing here i seem to recall reading here a short while ago that BMI made a -small- profit last year. So it seems they're doing OK at the moment... What I don't understand is why the BMI/WW difference is still there, since BD uses a LCC model on most european routes now anyway, why not just merge WW back into WW. The only thing BD provides that WW doesn't is mileage...

IM

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-05-18 17:25:19 and read 4163 times.

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 35):
What I don't understand is why the BMI/WW difference is still there, since BD uses a LCC model on most european routes now anyway, why not just merge WW back into WW?

They virtually have. You can book BD flights through the WW website and vice versa.

BD need to be more consistent. It is quite bizarre booking "bmibaby tiny" fares on a mainline BD flight.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Dutchjet
Posted 2006-05-18 17:38:06 and read 4151 times.

Good god, does anyone understand BMI's route strategy?

Some of the most interesting, friendly and sometimes hysterical discussions here at a.net have been about BMI and its operations......some really knowledgable people are always involved and everyone agrees on one thing...what the hell are they doing? It is really becoming more than funny, now its almost sad. How did they settle on the AMS-SOU route - and 4 flights per day?!

I really liked BRITISH MIDLAND, they were a good little airline that made a good reputation for itself with good schedules and superior inflight service - BD actually figured out how to compete with BA on UK and European routes and had become a real player at LHR......and then they changed their name to BMI, painted their airplanes in that horrendous scheme and finally accepted that they could not fly their A332s from LHR to US cities due to Bermuda2......and since then no one can figure them out!

I do wish them luck and I hope that BMI/Baby/Tiny finds their ways...........but I will say it again, AMS-SOU, huh?

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Runway23
Posted 2006-05-18 17:49:40 and read 4134 times.

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 35):
Despite all the bashing here i seem to recall reading here a short while ago that BMI made a -small- profit last year. So it seems they're doing OK at the moment... What I don't understand is why the BMI/WW difference is still there, since BD uses a LCC model on most european routes now anyway, why not just merge WW back into WW. The only thing BD provides that WW doesn't is mileage...

Bmi was only profitable due to selling LHR slots. As an operation the airline continues to bleed money.

The extent of this will become even clearer for the 2006 financial period, unless they continue to use sneaky accounting techniques to make it look like they are profitable.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: AJO
Posted 2006-05-18 19:39:38 and read 4081 times.

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 20):
You must include the 1 hour time difference.

I did. 7 AM SOU time is 8 AM AMS time. This leaves just 15 minutes for the flight!

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: LH121GLA
Posted 2006-05-18 23:56:54 and read 4003 times.

I wonder if this will be anything like BD's LTN-BRU service or EDI-MUC service - they started to promote them, then decided to drop them before they got off the ground.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Donder10
Posted 2006-05-22 00:21:32 and read 3858 times.

Base fares seem to start at �24 each way plus tax. Significantly cheaper than Scot Airways.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Paulc
Posted 2006-05-22 08:05:43 and read 3819 times.

If you price a return flight SOU-AMS it works out at £48 + taxes which is fine until you add the taxes which are high. (£53) so for me it is still cheaper to drive to LGW, park and fly Easyjet than it is to use my local airport 10 miles away. Easyjet to AMS fro LGW will be around £45 if booked early enough and that includes taxes.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-05-22 17:37:02 and read 3725 times.

Quoting Paulc (Reply 42):
it is still cheaper to drive to LGW

..which is often the way with easyJet's low low prices. I might be going to Milan next month for GBP30 return (taxes included).

Not bad!

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: Capital146
Posted 2006-05-22 18:19:32 and read 3703 times.

Isn't it true that a high proportion of passengers travelling from UK regional airports to AMS are using such flights for onward connections with KL? Scot Airways already have the arrangement with KL to feed passengers from SOU, so presumably BD will need to look at predominantly O&D traffic with the larger ERJ-145 for 4 flights each day, which seems a bit ambitious.

That said, I hope it works out well.

Topic: RE: BMI To Launch Southampton-Amsterdam Flights?
Username: David_itl
Posted 2006-05-22 23:26:16 and read 3635 times.

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 31):
be interested to see a list of the major European capitals that MAN has no scheduled flight to

Lisbon, Moscow, Bucharest and Kiev spring to mind. All previously linked to MAN.

David


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