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Topic: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: NZ8800
Posted 2006-06-05 00:19:48 and read 4715 times.

I've noticed a few posts saying what are the flight attendants doing while on duty.
But no-one really seems to ask - just "they hide in the galley" etc etc etc.
I was thinking about this particularly, since I am always accused of hiding in the office and not seeing my patients, when in reality I am checking blood tests, writing mental state examinations, checking leave status from the ward, instructing students, talking over potential problems with colleagues, and goodness knows what else - although it does indeed appear I am just sitting there to the patients looking through the office window at us all.
I'm also tired of hearing the flight attendants are glorified waiters (not so much on forums here, just in the general public).

Although I will probably (but never say never) be one myself; what actually happens from the moment you arrive at the airport to start duty, to the time you go home? If I had an aviation job I would reciprocate, but as I don't, these short excerpts will have to do!

And also, what has to be done while the passengers (theoretically) sleep during long haul flights? Or is it down time, like my night shifts (where I check emergency supplies, write summaries for each patient's day, and spend a lot of time catching up on email and reading a book - unless of course everything goes wrong as it sometimes does - and then all hell breaks loose!)

Could someone take us all behind the scenes?

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: GCDEG
Posted 2006-06-05 00:41:50 and read 4678 times.

Wow - interesting question and to which you'll find many answers. There are a lot of variations as what we do depends on some of the following factors - What the position we're working, what aircraft we're on, if the airline is low cost, full fare and so on so on. I wrote a trip report about one day in my life as cabin crew. Here's the link to it and if you have any questions please ask -

A Day In The Life Of Cabin Crew GLA-PFO-GLA (long) (by GCDEG Apr 27 2006 in Trip Reports)

Nick

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Jeremy
Posted 2006-06-05 00:45:01 and read 4675 times.

F/A is probably the easiest job I have ever had. It is only as difficult as you make it, or the weather makes it.

A typical start of a trip would be to show up at base and check in one hour before. I would then check my briefings and mailbox. I would relax in the lounge with some coffee and maybe a meal and then head to the gate 30 minutes before.
I would meet up with the other crew members and introduce myself.
I would do my cabin security check once onboard and prepare the cabin for boarding.
I would do the safety demonstrations on taxi out, then sit in the jumpseat for take off. I would do a 30 second safety review as we roll out, in case of an aborted take off.
I would start to prepare for the beverage service and then conduct one.
We do hang out in the galley, but it is only to clean up and secure it before landing and the next leg of flight.
For safety reasons there has to be an F/A in or near the forward galley at all times.
All this would continue throughout the day for 4 or 5 legs and then you arrive at your overnight and go to the hotel.
Sometimes you just go right to sleep and sometimes you get together with the crew for food and drinks. I often would check out the city, especially if I had never been there.
All of my flights were uneventful, not even any turbulence. I was lucky I guess. I did have a few delayed departures in which I was cursed out, but that does not bother me, as it is not personal.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. I am sure there will be some more detailed answers from other Anet members.

[Edited 2006-06-05 00:45:54]

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: YYZA330
Posted 2006-06-05 01:21:17 and read 4633 times.

Hi NZ8800!

As a Flight Attendant myself, I thank you for asking your questions. I can tell you that there is more to the job than hiding in the galley. lol. This happens more on overnight flights when the passengers are all sleeping, and less on busy vacation flights.

FA's are not given the proper treatment we deserve. People think flying is like taking a bus now a day. Well I know LCC may make you think you are on a bus with wings, the FA's job is more than tossing out some pretzels and serving drinks. Some airlines even serve you a hot meal! 

After the Air France crash here in Toronto, people were calling it a miracle. Really?
Not one news organization that I know of gave credit to the Cabin Crew and pilots for “Doing their job”.

You see, Flight Attendants go through government regulated company training on all aspects of in-flight safety including fire, decompressions and planned and un-planned evacuations. We not only go through extensive 4-8 weeks of safety training when hired, but we must prove our proficiency every year. (I think 2x/year in some countries) Every year we write exams, complete work exercises, perform our safety duties in a cabin simulator, practice opening all aircraft doors we are qualified on in the fleet, etc. Depending on the country and airline, we have to complete First Aid Training, CPR, AED, Dangerous Goods, and crew resource management (CRM). Some of these are also yearly, some every 2-3 years. Again, depending on government/airline regs.

The stakes are high in initial and annual training. Test and Exam scores must be high, or you risk losing your job.

You can find more info about what is involved in a “typical” day in the TRIP REPORT section here at airliners.net. One is a brilliant “day in the life” of a Flight Attendant from Air New Zealand. The other is from a JetBlue Flight Attendant. By the way, I was joking when I said “typical”. I’m sure you know the feeling.


Have a good weekend,
YYZA330

[Edited 2006-06-05 01:24:28]

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Drewwright
Posted 2006-06-05 01:34:53 and read 4603 times.

Most of a FA's job involves thinking not action. We might sit around alot but I garuntee all is not what it appears to be. During takeoff and landing we are not sitting around day dreaming we are actively thinking about if this plane crashes what do I do. During flight, when we walk through we scan people to make everyone is ok (with a smile of course ). Even when we arent flying we are attending classes, updating our manuals and ensuring we always have all our required FAA items. Initial/recurrent training is one of the hardest things anyone could ever go through. Below a 90% and you get fired on any test....
I suggest looking at flightattendants.org to see what a FA's job entails...


Drw

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: NZ8800
Posted 2006-06-05 02:36:08 and read 4548 times.

Thanks everyone for the tips.
It sounds rather like a Mental Health Nurse's job in a way - you are always thinking about potential disasters during your shift. In reality, things usually run smoothly.
And thank you for the links to the Air New Zealand and Qantas Flight Attendant trip reports, and your own one Nick  Smile

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Aa757first
Posted 2006-06-05 02:38:05 and read 4548 times.

Quoting NZ8800 (Reply 5):
It sounds rather like a Mental Health Nurse's job in a way - you are always thinking about potential disasters during your shift. In reality, things usually run smoothly.

Being a flight attendant has challenges, but its not as difficult as being a nurse. That's why nurses go through (at least) two years of school and flight attendants go through six weeks.

AAndrew

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Tbear815
Posted 2006-06-05 03:22:53 and read 4491 times.

I find this all quite interesting. I think the F/A job is glamorous - out of how many hundreds of others is this person chosen? F/A's generally have to score well on their attitude (looks always helps). They're representing their airline to the public - they are front line. The airline would have never hired the individual initially if they didn't "fit the bill." Yes, some do wash out in training, but training is extensive. Lots of classes, tests, and role-play. But first and foremost is SAFETY.

Before I'm flamed, the reason I say the job is glamorous is because the individual has some outstanding qualities. When you're recognized for doing something well, that is a form of glamour. As with every position, some of the initial "glamour" of the job fades. In many ways, this means they are comfortable in carrying out their inflight functions. The common bond world-wide is safety. I've never met an F/A that I wouldn't trust in an emergency situation.

Ironically, the very first "stewardesses" HAD to be registered nurses. Up until the '70's, I believe United company policy had to have a registered nurse on any Hawai'i flight.

Whatever anyone says, one of the basics is that the F/A's attitude is determined by the passengers. There are good flights and flights from Hell.

The person who is or becomes a Flight Attendent is a special person. They stand out in a crowd for some reason - and that reason or reasons must be excellent They must be doing something "right".  trophy 

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: GVWOW
Posted 2006-06-05 03:53:12 and read 4455 times.

It's changed quite a bit since the Good Old Days. I wasn't alive during much of them, but I was reading a book the other day that said that the main jobs of the flight attendants where to 1, tighten the bolts holding the seats to the floor between flights, 2, make sure passengers chose the lav door instead of the nearby emergency exit, 3, carry a railroad timetable in case the plane was grounded somewhere, and offer people cotton to put in their ears on selected louder aircrafts.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-06-05 04:58:32 and read 4403 times.

On a typical longhaul international flight. We show onboard the aircraft aprox 1.5 hrs early after clearing any exit immigration, security checkpoints etc.

The ISM/Purser/Lead FA briefs us on service flow, safety questions, security issues, any policy changes/updates, memo's from the home office, flight time, passenger count, catering issues, safety issues, defered cabin items and so on. Then they may check us for our required items manuals, complete uniform, passports, ID's, etc.

Then we get the Captain briefing, any aircraft issues, weather, turbulence, updated flying time/pax counts, and so forth. Usually both briefings last maybe 20 minutes.

Then we have our preflight safety/security checks every piece of emergency equipment is in it's correct place and functioning, we check our doors, jumpseats and interphones/PA. We check lavs for supplies and safety equipment. As we check we report any maintence/cleaning issues to the ISM who relays to the Captain. We also check the VCRs and Demo tapes to make sure they work.

Galley FA's check catering and supplies. You do meal counts and order anything that's been forgotten. You also set up what you can on the bev/meal carts so things run more smoothly in the air.

Boarding is to me the craziest part of the flight. You scan for bags that won't fit, check emergency exit rows to brief pax and make sure they are meet requirements, scan passengers for things that would make them a good ABP (assistant in an emergency), scan for things/passengers that seem suspicious, keep an eye out for passengers carrying potentially hazardous materials, help people find seats and storage space, scan for passengers who might need special assistance in an emergency or in general (parents with small kids, elderly, handicapped etc.), give UM's/special needs passengers personal safety briefings, handout magazines/amenity kits/newspapers/blankets/pillows as required for that flight, help sort out seating duplications and issues, make boarding announcements, and much much more.

The door closes and we start getting paid WOO HOO! Yeah, you heard me right we aren't on the payclock until the doors get shut. We set our doors to armed/slide mode and cross check. We do a compliance check of the cabin looking for electronic devices that need to be shut off, seat belts, window shades, bags stowed right, overhead bins shut, seatbacks, traytables, lavs vacant, galley secured. Then we play the safety demo monitoring screens in our cabin to make sure they function. After all safety duties are done we are supposed to strap into our jumpseats. When we get the "be seated for take off announcement" we do a 30/60 second review of evacuation commands, exit operations and to think through potential complications, I always take the time to mentally review fire, decompression, security and medical proceedures just in case.

After we get the go ahead from the cockpit we get up go to the galley to begin preparing for service. We set up carts, smash ice (it melts and refreezes into unwieldy blocks) start ovens, do a liquor count, start liquor paperwork and do the initial beverage service once the aircraft has leveled out. Then we go through with coffee, pick up trash, restock beverage carts, smash more ice and pass out hot towels. Meals are done they get loaded onto the carts and we serve the food along with a second beverage service. Then we breakdown the beverage carts, do a coffee service, offer seconds of the meals if we have enough and use the empty meal carts to pick up the trash. After going through with the trash cart it usually takes several trips with a trash bag to get it all some people have to suck every ice cube before they are willing to relinquish their precious plastic goblet. The galley FA puts away unused meals the other FA's restock their beverage carts and try to make change for those jokers who thought it was cute to pay for their Bud with a $50 or a $20 (we're on to you and we aren't going to comp you). During this time the galley FA also sets up snack trays and water service trays. The bev FA's may set up a small beverage station for the passengers. After everything is picked up and restocked we have feed the flight deck. Then we get time to breathe a little, eat something, sit down for a bit, use the lavatory, and relax. On some flights there may be a duty free service. Every 15-20 minutes we have to do a cabin walk through to make sure everything and everyone in the cabin are doing well. Every 30 minutes we check lavatories for supplies and cleanliness. Every 45minutes-1 hour we do a water service, when the movies are changed we also walk though with snacks. We usually get a pretty steady stream of people who come to the galley to ask for or about stuff, beverages, snacks, headphones, pillows, blankets, where are we?, what time is it?, when do we get in? and so on. Depending on the flight length we also get rest breaks usually about 1 hour when we sit in crew rest seats and get to sleep, read, watch movie, listen to Ipod etc. After breaks end it is time to set up for the final service which may be a beverage, a snack or a 2nd hot meal, we do a repeat of the initial service, clean, restock, fill out any cabin discrepancy paperwork, the lead fills out an inflight service report, Everyone fills out immigration paperwork, beverage flight attendants count liquor/fill out liquor deposit forms and pass them up to the lead who fills out a liquor report, We hand out immigration forms to the passengers and help them fill them out, then we do a landing hot towel service and final trash pick up. About 20 minutes out we do a final safety compliance check same as above. Then we strap into our jumpseats and do another 30/60 second review.

After landing we make announcements, disarm doors, assist special needs passengers and do a sweep of the cabin opening bins scanning for any left behind items or broken items to report. We exit the aircraft clear customs/immigration and then we are all done. PHEW.

We are usually pretty busy but on a night flight when everyone sleeps or if there is a light load we can get a good amount of downtime. We do usually spend that time in the galley as there isn't really space anywhere else. If you are walking up and down the aisles too much you annoy/disturb the passengers. It is a delicate balance.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-06-05 05:40:14 and read 4366 times.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 6):
Being a flight attendant has challenges, but its not as difficult as being a nurse. That's why nurses go through (at least) two years of school and flight attendants go through six weeks.

AAndrew

Being a ditch digger or a manual laborer doesn't require much training but I'd hardly catagorize it as work that isn't difficult. Flight attendant work is physically and often mentally difficult as we operate at altitude, under inflexible time constraints, with disrupted rest patterns in circumstances that can change rapidly requiring quick thinking . My Mother is an RN my Stepmom a Doctor and there are days when their job is easier than mine and vise versa. A more acurate statement would be Nursing is a more technically skilled profession and therefore requires more training. I think you missed the point of that post anyways. They were basically saying both jobs require a lot of work that isn't visably obvious as it is done mentally.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-06-05 05:48:18 and read 4348 times.

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 7):
Before I'm flamed, the reason I say the job is glamorous is because the individual has some outstanding qualities. When you're recognized for doing something well, that is a form of glamour. As with every position, some of the initial "glamour" of the job fades. In many ways, this means they are comfortable in carrying out their inflight functions. The common bond world-wide is safety. I've never met an F/A that I wouldn't trust in an emergency situation.

No flaming here...but I always thought the glamour part was the travelling here, there and everywhere. When I am cleaning up vomit, standing in a trash cart to compact trash so we have more trash space or donning latex gloves to do a routine lavatory clean-up, I always laugh to myself that THIS is the glamour.

Your post was kind and thoughtfull as well...welcome to my RU!!!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: YYZA330
Posted 2006-06-05 08:12:19 and read 4269 times.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
Boarding is to me the craziest part of the flight.

lol, tell me about it!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: TurkishWings
Posted 2006-06-05 08:52:47 and read 4249 times.

As an ex TK F/A, let me tell you what my typical day was like back in 2000  Smile

Lets assume I was assigned to IST-LHR-IST (one of the least favourite routes due to high loads  Wink) We had to sign exactly one hour before the duty, one minute late we would be punished (they would cut our layovers abroad for a month at least). So I normally signed more than an hour in advance. First find the cabin chief of the flight and introduce yourself to him/her. Then find other F/As and sit down at the lounge. Have a coffee and chat a bit. The whole crew, including the cockpit crew would then have a briefing exactly one hour before scheduled take off. The cabin chief would tell the F/As their numbers on flights according to their seniority. The cockpit would present themselves and give a briefing about weather or anything we might need to know about that flight. Then off to the flights after our IDs and passports were checked and we signed papers at the dispatcher. We would learn where our aircraft was parked and go there with the crew bus. Once in the plane meals and safety equipment would be checked. Then pax board. Safety demo (manual or from the screens) and then off we go to LHR. Our service on flights over 2.30 hrs was beverage and hazelnut service + main course and drinks service + coffee-tea service + hot towel distribution. On these flights we barely had a chance to sit down and relax so when we did we would chat a bit and eat. Then prepare for landing and check the cabin after landing. Receive new pax after meals were checked and cabin was cleaned. Same procedure for the return leg. After landing in IST, we would either call or go to crew planning to see if we had any messages. After an international flight, we had to leave the airport through international arrivals (customs). Then we would either take a taxi or a crew bus home. On these flights we would normally have no time to relax and chat in the cabin but we would never miss a chance  Smile Its a hard job to be a cabin crew. I used to fly no less than 80 hours a week up to 110 in some months.

I used to fly on our Avros (RJ 70 and 100) and 737s (400+500+800 at the time). The Avros were usually the toughest. A typical day would be 4 or 5 legs at least, combined with 3 or 4 days domestic layovers. I remember doing IST-ESB-ADA-ESB-VAN-ESB-IST last leg not on duty.

So yes, the crew sometimes hide in the galley and chat but it is a very well deserved pause. And yes, the crew sometimes walks through the cabin, staring on the floor and pretending s/he doesn't hear the pax because if s/he looks at the pax, someone will surely ask for something and others will definitely follow suit. Plus pax tend to think the crew is only working their flight. In reality, same crew does 3 to 4 legs at least 3-4 days a week.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: S5FA170
Posted 2006-06-05 09:27:50 and read 4214 times.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 13):
Plus pax tend to think the crew is only working their flight. In reality, same crew does 3 to 4 legs at least 3-4 days a week.

I *love* the passengers that think we, as flight crew, just showed up late for work that day because United posts "Crew Delay" on the board at the gate.

In reality, we just suffered through a four hour ground-stop in Columbus because ORD went down the toilet, made it to O'Hare to get parked at B-22 and find out the company is making us switch airplanes - and the new one is sitting at C-1 waiting for us for the last two hours.

Sigh. Gotta love it!

-Tony

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Breiz
Posted 2006-06-05 16:15:14 and read 4060 times.

Quoting YYZA330 (Reply 3):
After the Air France crash here in Toronto, people were calling it a miracle. Really?
Not one news organization that I know of gave credit to the Cabin Crew and pilots for “Doing their job”.

At least news magazines reported this one:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...e+Airbus+A340+Toronto+overrun.html
A well deserved tribute.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Pope
Posted 2006-06-05 16:57:11 and read 4025 times.

Quoting YYZA330 (Reply 3):
Not one news organization that I know of gave credit to the Cabin Crew and pilots for “Doing their job”.

Giving the pilots credit for doing their job????? They landed long and fast on a wet runway in the middle of a thunderstorm. Hell, if they had been "doing their job", the accident wouldn't have ever happened.

As for the FAs, what are you saying that people deserve special recognition because they did the job they are paid for? You need to pick an argument and stick with it. FA are either crucial components of the safe operation of the aircraft, in which case, the FA only did what they were supposed to in Toronto and IMO deserve no special recognition, or they are waitresses in the sky, in which case the did a fantastic job in Toronto. Which one is it?

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: YYZA330
Posted 2006-06-05 17:16:59 and read 4007 times.

Quoting Breiz (Reply 15):
At least news magazines reported this one:

Sure, it's from an Aviation organization!

Quoting Pope (Reply 16):
Giving the pilots credit for doing their job????? They landed long and fast on a wet runway in the middle of a thunderstorm. Hell, if they had been "doing their job", the accident wouldn't have ever happened.

Did the final safety report prove this?

Quoting Pope (Reply 16):
As for the FAs, what are you saying that people deserve special recognition because they did the job they are paid for?

No, what I am saying is that this was NOT an act of God. The Cabin Crew did their job evacuation that aircraft.

YYZA330

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Pope
Posted 2006-06-05 17:29:19 and read 3993 times.

Quoting YYZA330 (Reply 17):
Did the final safety report prove this?

I assume that this is a rhetorical question because the final report hasn't been issued.

Quoting YYZA330 (Reply 17):
The Cabin Crew did their job evacuation that aircraft.

Great. Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!
Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!
Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!
Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!
Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!
Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!

What other profession seeks recognition for just doing their job?

Should we throw a party every time a doctor performs a successful surgery?
Should we send a card whenever a police officer arrests a criminal?
Should we declar a holiday when a fireman puts out a fire?

It seems to me that FAs (at least on this forum) feel that they deserve some sort of special recognition for just doing their jobs. Well, getting paycheck is what people get when they do their jobs.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: EUROBUS
Posted 2006-06-05 17:34:20 and read 3982 times.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
The door closes and we start getting paid WOO HOO! Yeah, you heard me right we aren't on the payclock until the doors get shut.



 eyepopping  I can't believe it!! You mean that before the doors are closed you are on your time??? What if there are technical problems, weather, luggage, traffic, etc. any kind od issue that can keep you on then ground for a few hours. You don't get paid??? I am shocked. Still, I guess not every airline has the same policy, or am I wrong?

Just the other day I took an early IB flight from MAD to BCN for a meeting. About five to six hours later I took another flight back and, to my surprise, I found the same crew onboard with the same smile, friendly approach as in the morning. I said to the FA -who recognised me- "what a long day", and she answered that they still had another 'shift'? to go.

Amazing! What a long day and, although most of us don't find this job very demanding (please don't fire me, I say it with all my respects to all of you who work as FA's) I still believe there must be quite a level of stress, am I right?

And, as a passenger, what I most admire the way you put all your personal and profssional matters to one side and receive averybody onboard with a warm and welcoming smile, which immediately makes you feel at comfort and looking forward to the flight!! Bon voyage!!  airplane   wave 

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: EUROBUS
Posted 2006-06-05 17:35:07 and read 3982 times.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
The door closes and we start getting paid WOO HOO! Yeah, you heard me right we aren't on the payclock until the doors get shut.



 eyepopping  I can't believe it!! You mean that before the doors are closed you are on your time??? What if there are technical problems, weather, luggage, traffic, etc. any kind od issue that can keep you on then ground for a few hours. You don't get paid??? I am shocked. Still, I guess not every airline has the same policy, or am I wrong?

Just the other day I took an early IB flight from MAD to BCN for a meeting. About five to six hours later I took another flight back and, to my surprise, I found the same crew onboard with the same smile, friendly approach as in the morning. I said to the FA -who recognised me- "what a long day", and she answered that they still had another 'shift'? to go.

Amazing! What a long day and, although most of us don't find this job very demanding (please don't fire me, I say it with all my respects to all of you who work as FA's) I still believe there must be quite a level of stress, am I right?

And, as a passenger, what I most admire is the way you put all your personal and professional matters to one side and receive averybody onboard with a warm and welcoming smile, which immediately makes you feel at comfort and looking forward to the flight!! Bon voyage!!  airplane   wave 

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-06-05 17:43:30 and read 3968 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
It seems to me that FAs (at least on this forum) feel that they deserve some sort of special recognition for just doing their jobs. Well, getting paycheck is what people get when they do their jobs.

You apparently haven't read any of my posts. The only recognition I ever want is the one where my name is called for my seat on my commuting flight home.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Breiz
Posted 2006-06-05 18:50:01 and read 3910 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
It seems to me that FAs (at least on this forum) feel that they deserve some sort of special recognition for just doing their jobs. Well, getting paycheck is what people get when they do their jobs.

You are theoretically right.
However, the AF crew managed to evacuate EVERYBODY from a burning plane through half of the emergency exits only, managing correctly the circumstances (fire starting on one side).
Yes the crew did their job, and they did it well.
It's a tiny bit more important to achieve a perfect evac than to make a perfect burger, isn't it?

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-06-05 19:15:27 and read 3872 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
Should we throw a party every time a doctor performs a successful surgery?
Should we send a card whenever a police officer arrests a criminal?
Should we declar a holiday when a fireman puts out a fire?

This is obvious flamebait so I won't bite, I'll just take a nibble. The Air France FA's just did their job however they did it exceptionally well. When someone does an outstanding job it is customary to recognise and thank them for it.

Quoting EUROBUS (Reply 19):
Still, I guess not every airline has the same policy, or am I wrong?

Not every airline has the same policy. Some you don't get paid untill the engines start, others until you push back. I only know of one US airline that pays you your flight pay from check in to check out. If you have a delay on the ground with the door open especially if there are no passengers all you get for that time is you per diem/expense money (at my company $2.40/hr. at some as low as $1.10/hr). Per diem isn't really pay its not taxable and is intended to cover the additional expense of eating etc away from home. At my company our negotiated contract will pay us "passenger babysitting" pay if we have to sit on the ground over a certain length of time (thinkk it is 1hr.)

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2006-06-05 20:08:34 and read 3817 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
Should we throw a party every time a doctor performs a successful surgery?
Should we send a card whenever a police officer arrests a criminal?
Should we declar a holiday when a fireman puts out a fire?

We sure all get what you mean. But how many jobs do you know in the world that you are trained to perform thing that could never happen in your carreer ? And even you wish you never have to perform what you were trained for....

A doctor practises every day, same for police and more true for firemen.

F/A don't want a party or whatever for doing their jobs but if media would let the general public know that it's normal for an F/A to evacuate an aircraft in 90 seconds with half of exits available, maybe people will start to realise that F/A's are not trolley dollies and therefore be treated accordingly

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: GVWOW
Posted 2006-06-05 20:45:30 and read 3777 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
It seems to me that FAs (at least on this forum) feel that they deserve some sort of special recognition for just doing their jobs. Well, getting paycheck is what people get when they do their jobs.

(Asking to be flamed here!) Is there any reason we shouldn't give them special recognition?

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Pilotaydin
Posted 2006-06-05 21:03:49 and read 3754 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
Great. Horray for the cabin crew which did their job!!!!!!!

I have to say this : the pope has spoken! YEAH!! lol

anyways....

well i think that the AF situation needs to be given credit because they didn't KNOW something like that was going to happen, normally you know 99% of the time during an emergency...

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Treeny
Posted 2006-06-05 21:19:59 and read 3737 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
It seems to me that FAs (at least on this forum) feel that they deserve some sort of special recognition for just doing their jobs. Well, getting paycheck is what people get when they do their jobs.

GREAT SPEACH AND QUITE RIGHT TOO - am 100% behind you brother!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-06-05 23:42:31 and read 3633 times.

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 26):
normally you know 99% of the time during an emergency...

Actually the reverse is true. Most emergency evacuations are unplanned emergencies.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Tbear815
Posted 2006-06-06 06:16:45 and read 3504 times.

Between Treeny and Pope, F/A's are just there for the looks. Get real, guys! I've never flamed anyone before this. If you were coming in with no air brakes and gear that wasn't locked, your pants would be loaded. Next time you fly anywhere, take a parachute. I've never read such rubbish from such morons on a.net. I'm disgusted by both of you. Your stupidity is incredible. Get a life!  hot 

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: AA B777-200
Posted 2006-06-06 08:33:45 and read 3444 times.

YYZA330,

Thanks for our side of the 'story'. People who don't get it are propably the jerks on board that give us a harder time! Ha ha ha ha!

Robin

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: NZ8800
Posted 2006-06-06 08:56:07 and read 3431 times.

Hey - I started this thread to find out the tasks Flight Attendants do - thank you to CDGEG, Jeremy, YYZA330, Drewwright, IAirAllie, and the others who gave that information.
To those of you who shall remain nameless, it was NOT a thread to attack Flight Attendants, or otherwise moan and groan about what they do and don't do.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Treeny
Posted 2006-06-06 14:13:17 and read 3342 times.

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 29):
I've never read such rubbish from such morons on a.net. I'm disgusted by both of you. Your stupidity is incredible. Get a life!

People like you are why so many people up and leave a.net - your comments are only there to lay bait so I wont rise to your level......I was under the impression this forum was to be able to give open opinions...... evidently you think otherwise..matey, I think you are the one that needs to get a life..."Oh I am so disgusted with you"... how pathetic!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Treeny
Posted 2006-06-06 14:19:40 and read 3339 times.

Sorry just one more thing to clarify my comments. Pope and I only agreed that we both felt that on here at least F/As seemed to feel they deserved some kind of extra credit etc etc just for doing their jobs.. I was only only agreeing with that no more nor less.

There is no doubt that when these guys are called into action they know the drills and save lives - I never disputed that but I do feel that based on comments I read in these forums that FAs do feel they are deserving of more regal praise....to clairfy again BASED ON THINGS I READ HERE NOT REAL LIFE....they mayeb two different things..

Tbear815 I do hope that I have redeemed myself now that you were so so disapointed with me....

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: CY319
Posted 2006-06-06 14:27:32 and read 3326 times.

FAs' tasks?
the answer is .... to flirt with me.  Smile
i love flirting with FAs

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: Airnewzealand
Posted 2006-06-06 15:34:04 and read 3270 times.

Back to the topic...

Jeremy...
Every airline is different, and let me tell you, it can be one of the hardest jobs in your life on certain days...

Experience a 10 hour delay with angry indians onboard, then three ovens going U/S on you, then experiencing moderate turbulence with pax vomitting everywhere, then a PSYCHO pax on the U/D trying to get into the flight deck, then a lady going into cardiac arrest, then two flight attendants coming down with vomitting/Gastro(with minimum crew comp.)... And yes it has ALL happened to me on the same flight...
When it all goes wrong, it ALL goes wrong!!!

Its not as EASY as it is made out to be... We have time restraints, standards, weather all to take into account, plus the passengers attitudes! We as flight attendants have to be able to read people well, be attentive, use our initiative. Be able to react fast at 3am in the morning.

If you didnt know, 1 hour of work in the air is the equivilent of 3 hours work on the ground!! And you need to drink 7x 1.5ltr bottles of water in order to "re-stock" your water fluids after a 10 hour flight.

We do alot of paperwork (here i am thinking i had escaped it...ARGH!!!), counts, restock etc etc etc...

Hope it sheds some light

PS: If you dont have anything constructive to say, dont say it at all!!!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant - The Tasks
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-06-06 19:59:52 and read 3191 times.

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 35):
When it all goes wrong, it ALL goes wrong!!!

AMEN!


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