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Topic: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Kaitak744
Posted 2006-06-16 07:20:11 and read 12755 times.

The recent update on the Boeing website states 3 cancellations for the 787. Who are they?

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2006-06-16 07:25:40 and read 12725 times.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
The recent update on the Boeing website states 3 cancellations for the 787. Who are they?

Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?  Wink

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Sq212
Posted 2006-06-16 07:26:33 and read 12725 times.

See reply #23 under:

Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06 (by NYC777 Jun 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Cheers

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Slz396
Posted 2006-06-16 08:55:05 and read 12433 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Because most people interested in knowing will have missed it if you hide it under such a generic title...

Anyway, to answer the question:

It is Xiamen Airlines which dropped their 3 787-8s.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2006-06-16 08:57:28 and read 12414 times.

Xiamen converted their order for 3 787-8s into orders for 6 737s.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Keesje
Posted 2006-06-16 12:12:43 and read 11975 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Yes, no need start a new thread over This one, we got it, just move on.

Chinese carrier Xiamen Airlines becomes first operator to cancel a firm Boeing 787 order

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...r+to+cancel+a+firm+Boeing+787.html

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2006-06-16 12:23:20 and read 11907 times.

The title of thread is misleading, one order for three aircraft was cancelled (converted). I wonder which of the remaining "five sisters" get the leftover slots?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Slz396
Posted 2006-06-16 12:52:31 and read 11765 times.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
The title of this thread is misleading: one order for three aircraft was converted.

Indeed, but it was converted to a completely different plane (i.e. 737) so the net result is one customer less for the 787. Therefor I'd say this thread is not half as misleading as this one:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2803687/6/#ID2803687

which got 50+ replies....

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2006-06-16 13:42:08 and read 11576 times.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 7):

I don't understand your value judgement about the other "offending" thread being far more misleading than what I pointed-out here, as the headline of the linked news article was: "Emirates cancels order for 2 Airbus A380F planes." The topic of the thread was: "Emirates Cancels 2 A380F Planes," with a quote from the article and no comment whatsoever from the threadstarter.

IMO, that story, although already stale and being discussed in the forum, was infinitely more interesting because of the reason given for the switch/cancellation/conversion:

“Final definition and specification freeze were proving elusive,” says Emirates president (airline) Tim Clark. “We needed to protect our delivery positions and switched the order to the passenger version. Once the freighter is ready, we will have another look.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+switches+orders+to+passenger.html

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: DL021
Posted 2006-06-16 15:37:36 and read 11172 times.

Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.

Any ideas for the root of this change?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: EbbUK
Posted 2006-06-16 15:38:11 and read 11172 times.

guys this is one of our newer and younger members, show some composure.

I too didn't know that the 787 had lost a customer but for your posting and subsequent posts, i am enlightened.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Legoguy
Posted 2006-06-16 16:25:00 and read 10977 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?



Quoting Sq212 (Reply 2):

Many people will not have realised that 3 787's were canceled as they may not have seen the 'Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06' thread. I certainly didnt see it. Also this thread as been educational. I learnt and im sure many others have learnt that...

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
Xiamen converted their order for 3 787-8s into orders for 6 737s.



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Because most people interested in knowing will have missed it if you hide it under such a generic title...

 checkmark 

Thanks for the info

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Mptpa
Posted 2006-06-16 17:18:46 and read 10537 times.

But I would not be surprised if those 3 will be reallocated to another chinese carriers as part of the 60 ordered.

I am still confused as to the CO order of 7+13. It makes sense that the 3 cancelled are part of this. We have to wait till what Boeing has to say.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Quig
Posted 2006-06-16 17:21:33 and read 10483 times.

I am wondering if another Chinese carrier my pick up these 3 787’s.

As they were a part of 60 ordered from the Government and then allocated to different airlines. What of the chances of the government realocating them to a different airline?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: BenThePlaneHen
Posted 2006-06-16 17:24:11 and read 10483 times.

I am confused, why isn't Air Canada on the orders list? I thought they had ordered some B787's.
Ben

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: B742
Posted 2006-06-16 17:28:13 and read 10370 times.

Shame not to see 787's in Xiamen Airlines colours, hopefuly we will see some in the future possibly!

Isn't it funny how the 787 doesn't get slated as much, if someone were to drop an A350 order then there would be a massacre towards the A350  Wink

Rob!  wave 

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Aerobalance
Posted 2006-06-16 17:47:33 and read 10089 times.

I think it was UA for dropping their order for 200 787-9's, DL for 45 787-3's and F9 for 2 787-8's, or something like that  Wink

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Quig
Posted 2006-06-16 17:49:56 and read 10045 times.

If a customer Cancelled a 350 order to order 787 (Or the other way) that is news. But a customer re-thinking their stratagey and replacing 3-787s with 8-737s is a different story. In the end Boeing did not lose business

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: American777
Posted 2006-06-16 17:57:16 and read 9884 times.

Quoting Quig (Reply 14):
I am wondering if another Chinese carrier my pick up these 3 787’s

I think CZ will take the orders because CZ signed an initial agreement to purchase 13 Boeing 787 aircraft, 3 of which were for its affiliate, MF*.

Joe.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2006-06-16 18:07:04 and read 9738 times.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):
Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.



Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
Isn't it funny how the 787 doesn't get slated as much, if someone were to drop an A350 order then there would be a massacre towards the A350  

They were the smallest 787 customer, and had a history of only buying and operating Boeing narrowbodies. They may have decided that they might be better off focussing on short haul.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: PJFlysFast
Posted 2006-06-16 18:14:00 and read 9618 times.

I am looking foward to seeing the 787! I also think it is a better platform then the airbus and has more potintal then the airbus. The 787 should futhfill most airliners needs.

[Edited 2006-06-16 18:24:18]

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: 87dreamin
Posted 2006-06-16 19:25:33 and read 8543 times.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):
Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.

 checkmark 
Why fly an airplane with 8000 nmi range if you're not flying routes >3000 nmi?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: USAF336TFS
Posted 2006-06-16 19:48:13 and read 8234 times.

IIRC, the so-called cancellation is actually an order change. A Chinese airline converted the order to 737-800s. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Regards,
Sal

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: BR715-A1-30
Posted 2006-06-16 19:48:49 and read 8208 times.

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 2):
Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06 (by NYC777 Jun 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

How do you hotlink a thread like that?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2006-06-16 19:55:32 and read 8117 times.

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 25):
How do you hotlink a thread like that?

Copy and paste the URL for the thread. The posting software will automatically detect the A.net thread and format it like that.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: 777ER
Posted 2006-06-16 20:24:49 and read 7679 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
The recent update on the Boeing website states 3 cancellations for the 787. Who are they?

Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Well it helps people who have been away from a.net like me and have first read it for the first time

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
Xiamen converted their order for 3 787-8s into orders for 6 737s.

Thank you

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: B737700doctor
Posted 2006-06-16 22:21:01 and read 6524 times.

Does it really matter. How many airbus's wont even get ordered? Boeing is back on top baby. I see that us Boeing fans are well out numbered by the majority of nations with airbus. All these threads are all Boeing bashers. I think Boeing orders and past orders speak for themselves. Boeing build BETTER airplanes always have always will.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Legoguy
Posted 2006-06-16 22:45:31 and read 6223 times.

Quoting B737700doctor (Reply 28):
All these threads are all Boeing bashers.

The posts in this thread are mostly from people interested to know that Boeing had 3 787 orders turned into 8 737 orders.

As to whether Boeing is better or not...I do not know. However like many others around here, I enjoy seeing both Boeing and Airbus successfully taking orders

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: BenThePlaneHen
Posted 2006-06-17 01:03:19 and read 5081 times.

Is Air Canada still going to get it's B787's?

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Kaitak744
Posted 2006-06-17 02:58:57 and read 4320 times.

Quoting BenThePlaneHen (Reply 30):
Is Air Canada still going to get it's B787's?

Yea, it was posted in last years orders. Just go to "Standard Reports" on the side, "Customer", "Air Canada", and you will see it there.

Topic: RE: 3 Cancelled 787 Orders
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2006-06-19 12:15:19 and read 2584 times.

Boeing expects China to reallocate Xiamen's cancelled Boeing 787 orders, take six more 737-800s.

Today a source close to the deal says the three Xiamen 787s, although currently booked as a net loss on Boeing’s June 13 online order book, will be reallocated to a Chinese carrier, a move that will retain the 60-aircraft order placed in January 2005, and negate the current net loss on the order book.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...g+787+orders%2c+take+six+more.html


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