Print from Airliners.net discussion forum
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/285200/

Topic: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: PVDFlier
Posted 2000-09-11 16:34:53 and read 2019 times.

A TWA jet en route to St. Louis from New York ran into problems this morning just as it was getting started. A New York Port Authority spokesman says Flight Three was in the process of taking off from JFK when the first officer's windshield popped open for an unknown reason. As the pilot was aborting the takeoff, seven tires on the plane blew-out. The passengers were safely taken off the aircraft and brought back to the terminal by buses. None of the 240 passengers and crew on the plane were injured.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: TWFirst
Posted 2000-09-11 16:41:57 and read 1862 times.

According to their schedule, the aircraft was a 767.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: SKYTEAM
Posted 2000-09-11 17:53:27 and read 1826 times.

Yep it was a 767, I'm sure glad nobody was hurt!!!!!

SKYTEAM

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Wingman
Posted 2000-09-11 17:53:44 and read 1810 times.

Does it have GE engines? (insert smiley face here)

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Flybulldog
Posted 2000-09-11 18:21:59 and read 1787 times.

Wingman, took the words out of my mouth. I'm wondering how long it will take for this to turn into a anti-something message.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Cba
Posted 2000-09-11 19:50:23 and read 1755 times.

I didn't know that they use firestone tires on jets  . But seriously, what could cause such an incident?

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: SKYTEAM
Posted 2000-09-11 21:27:14 and read 1722 times.

Cracks in the runway? Rocks on the runway? It could be a combination of things.

SKYTEAM

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: RWally
Posted 2000-09-11 21:33:33 and read 1733 times.

Does TWA need help? TWAneedsNOhelp, maybe you should start using TWAneedshelp. Just kidding.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: TWAneedsHelp
Posted 2000-09-11 23:05:51 and read 1700 times.

I'm sorry RWally?

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: N312RC
Posted 2000-09-11 23:14:09 and read 1693 times.

Another CO DC-10 dropping parts from the GE engines??

Where's TEDSKI when you need him!  

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Adam84
Posted 2000-09-11 23:35:23 and read 1679 times.

N312RC, that was funny.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Redngold
Posted 2000-09-11 23:41:07 and read 1676 times.

In all seriousness I'm glad that nobody was hurt. I mean, co-pilots are human, too...  

I hope the two events were not connected other than that the pilot was slowing the plane too fast for tire tolerance. But who knows? I'm sure there will be an investigation.

redngold

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: ContinentalEWR
Posted 2000-09-11 23:45:49 and read 1674 times.

Some of these posts are really stupid and offensive, likening the accident to Bridgestone/Firestone tires
and GE engines on DC10's.

Thank goodness, no one was hurt today at JFK as
the TWA plane aborted takeoff without incident.

One of the cable networks reported that the air-
plane's cockpit windshield might have been left
open during routine maintenance at the hangar.

Does anyone know (I'd prefer answers from TW
First, TWNeedsHelp or Acvitale) as to where
the airline performs maintenance (heavy) on
its 767 fleet (-200's and -300's)? STL or JFK
or somewhere else?

ContinentalEWR

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Hypermike
Posted 2000-09-12 00:30:06 and read 1661 times.

I found details on MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/458402.asp

Topic: Firestone Tyres
Username: Pilot1113
Posted 2000-09-12 01:12:09 and read 1649 times.

Cba wrote:
-------------------------------
I didn't know that they use firestone tires on jets But seriously, what could cause such an incident?
-------------------------------

Firestone has an exclusive deal with BAe to supply tyres for the Concorde!   (I know, that was bad...)

Anyhow back to more serious matters, I'd guess that the F/O probably didn't latch his window tightly. Little things like that can be overlooked in the pretake-off checklist.

The reports didn't clearly specify whether the window simply "popped" open or blew out entirely.

- Neil Harrison

Topic: Aborted Take-Off
Username: Pilot1113
Posted 2000-09-12 01:19:45 and read 1648 times.

Okay... I just read the article from MSNBC. The F/O's window was left open (someone didn't adhear to the checklist  ) and the crew began their take-off.

According to my training, I've been taught not to worry about a open window or door and continue the takeoff and go around for a landing. Granted I fly a Piper Warrior.

However, I'd expect something like that to be taught to TWA's pilots. I'd think that TWA (and other airlines) would teach pilots to ignore the open window and go around for a landing.

Perhaps our airline pilots here would like to comment??

- Neil Harrison

Topic: RE: Msnbc Story
Username: Corey777
Posted 2000-09-12 13:36:08 and read 1609 times.

Read the story and then click 767 Accidents from the pull-down at the bottom. Notice an accident is missing from the "767's two fatal accidents"???


Corey777

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Acvitale
Posted 2000-09-12 13:51:03 and read 1605 times.

Some answers...

The 767-232 in question was ship # 16104 and is equiped with Pratt and Whitney JT-9 engines. It is one of the 767-200s slated to be retired soon.

The incident occured as the FO's window latch was not properly secured and was probably done during a maint. event in NYC the evening prior.

TWA conducts maint. on it's 767-200s in LAX, JFK, and STL. Most heavy maint on the 767s is in JFK and LAX. Most TWA narrowbody maint. occurs in MCI and STL. The majority of heavy maint C and D checks on the narrowbody fleet occurs in MCI. while light maint is done in STL and occasionally JFK.

TWA has 4 significant maint. stations, They are STL, MCI, LAX, and JFK.

The 6 tires blew due to overheating when the aborted takeoff was conducted.

More information will be provided when available.

(The TWA 767-300ERs use the Pratt and Whitney PW 4060 series engines. TWA also uses Pratt and Whitney engines on the narrowbody MD80s (JT-8-217s and JT-8-219s) the 727s (JT-8s various series 17,21,25,27,35s etc) and the 757s also use the Pratt and Whitney PW 4000 series.) The new 717s use the BMW/RR engine. )

Any other questons?

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: ContinentalEWR
Posted 2000-09-12 14:18:47 and read 1598 times.

I thought this was a -300. That's what it looked like on TV (the fuselage
seemed longer). My local TV station reported it as such and went on to
say that the plane arrived from Tel Aviv a few hours earlier. Also, this
plane had 232 pax. on board. I thought the two class 762 can accomodate
just over 200.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: CstarU
Posted 2000-09-12 14:19:47 and read 1592 times.

Perhaps FO was smoking a cigarette and had the windows open.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Twa747
Posted 2000-09-12 14:59:32 and read 1585 times.

The plane was 16104, a 767-3Q8er not a -200. Also a 767-232 is a Delta aircraft, TWA's code is 31. So if the aircraft was built for TWA it would be a 767-331. This plane is leased from ILFC hence the Q8 Boeing Code.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: TWAneedsNOhelp
Posted 2000-09-12 15:49:15 and read 1571 times.

About the maintanance centers. There has been speculation that during this TW restructuring TW would attempt to close the MCI maint. center. I believe the airline was having difficulty with the Machinists Union on agreeing to close MCI. After all, TW certainly doesn't need 4 bases, 2 should be sufficient. Any word on this? What about the JFK base, is that staying? Also, do JFK mechs. get paid more than their midwest and LA counterparts, because I remember reading in some article that TW's costs at that JFK maint. base are significantly higher than the other three.

Thanks Albert,

russ

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Acvitale
Posted 2000-09-12 16:40:09 and read 1565 times.

My bad... Yes it was a 763 not a 762... Duh to me!

For the MCI comment. TWA needs all 4 bases. The logistics of overnight maint. at three would leave TWA in shambles.. (AKA HP). The thing the airline would like most is to change hangers in JFK from the existing larger and delapidated facility to a smaller more modern facility. Negotiations continue to this effect but, the IAM is against it.

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: TurboTristar
Posted 2000-09-12 17:29:01 and read 1553 times.

The news stations in STL just started televising that this morning. I cant believe it. They showed an aerial view of the 767-300 stopped on the runway at JFK. Same thing happened with the Alliance Air 737-200 crash in Patna, India. The stations in STL televise it 1 day late!

TurboTristar

Topic: RE: TWA JFK-STL Take-off Incident
Username: Ilyushin96M
Posted 2000-09-12 18:39:33 and read 1535 times.

I don't think this is the first time this has happened with a 767. A colleague of mine was flying out of Atlanta bound for Frankfurt in 1994 aboard a Delta 767-300ER, and a window blew out. They had to turn back and land, and wait for another aircraft. I doubt it was one of the passenger windows as I don't think that has happened since the Comet I incidents in the '50s. Does anyone know any details of this Delta flight? The incident would have been in June or July of 1994.


The messages in this discussion express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Airliners.net or any entity associated with Airliners.net.

Copyright © Lundgren Aerospace. All rights reserved.
http://www.airliners.net/