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Topic: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: GuitrThree
Posted 2006-07-03 02:42:36 and read 11492 times.

For all the WN employees out there,
last weekend, I took a flight from BNA to MDW and back, both trips on the 733, with the flight up being Silver One! When we were leaving MDW, there were at least 2 flight crew attendants that were transferring (deadheading) to their assignments... Since, I being the aviation nerd I am, was first in line in the A line... I know I know.. But we only got there 3.5 hours early and I got to watch the World Cup while drinking Gin and Tonics in the bar next to the gate!

Anyway, the flight attendants were already on the plane when I boarded and the two I heard both had to sit towards the front because they were very close on connection times to their assignments... that point being meaningless to the conversation, there was one flight crew member assigned to my flight who was telling the dead header her assignments and said that in the last 6 (best I can remember) days, about all she was assigned were the -300 series, and made it sound like it was just hell to work on them, vs the -700. I can understand why the pilots might like the -700 better, being newer, bigger, better, but what difference does the -300 vs the -700 make to a flight attendant? Space in the Galley? Fullness of flights? I'm at a loss and was just wondering...

Anyway... kudos to the crew.. we left out of MDW late because of weather around Nashville, and got to experience a lot of turns around large clouds over the Clarksville TN area... they were also very nice to allow me to use my Garmin GPS 196 with the external antenna connected with no problem. Not only that, the dead headers helped the assigned crew serve drinks and peanuts because of the rush due to the late departure and weather issues. Now that is service.

Great flight as usual SWA.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2006-07-03 03:33:51 and read 11356 times.

FA's can be picky about the galleys, and as a rule, older aircraft tend to have a different galley set up than newer ones. From experience, I can tell you that the F9 737-300's had a superior galley (ie, better overall layout) than the 737-200's, and the A319's in turn had a MUCH nicer galley than the 737-300's. It's all a matter of preference, really. The 733/73G are basically the same aircraft in terms of dimensions and interior layout. Just a question of old versus new, really.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2006-07-03 03:36:16 and read 11341 times.

They are just older aircraft. There is less room to work with, smaller overhead bins, less logical controls, and stinkier lavs. The NG's are much more FA-friendly.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: Baron95
Posted 2006-07-03 07:30:37 and read 10993 times.

In a word, longer boarding time and having to help passangers find space for theiir bags due to the totally outdated and small overhead bins on the 733. It makes a huge difference. I've seen a fight break out once because of this on a 733.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: Aviator27
Posted 2006-07-03 07:51:22 and read 10946 times.

From a pilot standpoint, the B733 flies at a lower altitude and slower cruise speed as compared to the B737NG. It is hell being stuck being a B732/3/4/5 on the same route and having to slow down.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: OttoPylit
Posted 2006-07-03 17:49:32 and read 8976 times.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Not only that, the dead headers helped the assigned crew serve drinks and peanuts because of the rush due to the late departure and weather issues. Now that is service.

Its not uncommon for deadheader's or FA jumpseaters to help out with duties. Usually because it is common courtesy for your fellow coworkers(what else are you going to do being stuck in a pressurized tube?) and also because you can be in the way if you are jumpseating. Imagine 4 or 5 flight attendants trying to move around someone taking up the space of a jumpseat when galley space is already at a minimum. Might as well just get up and help out. At my airline, if the cockpit jumpseat is already taken, we let the pilots use the FA jumpseat if they are heading to work. I've been on a flight and seen a uniformed captain walking down the aisle passing out snacks so it would be quicker for the FA's to do the beverage service on a short flight. Not too often you see pilots doing flight attendant duties.



OttoPylit

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: RB211LTN
Posted 2006-07-03 22:15:53 and read 6802 times.

When I worked for easyJet we sold one of our 733's (G-EZYE) to WN. It was a total heap of an aircraft and we were happy to see it go. I'm not surprised that WN crew are moaning about it. Whenever you get a new aircraft it makes the old ones seem instantly awful. That said, the 737 in any form is inferior to the Airbus narrow body family. I have worked on both and speak from experience. Passengers love the A320 and hate the 737. At BA we operated the 734 to CPH on some services and the A320 on others. Passengers in Club Europe used to avoid the 737 flights because of the inferior accommodation offered. Limited overhead stowage and high noise levels are two of the many complaints proffered. I know this will fuel the A v B debate but I don't care.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: Baron95
Posted 2006-07-03 22:23:47 and read 6751 times.

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 6):
At BA we operated the 734 to CPH on some services and the A320 on others. Passengers in Club Europe used to avoid the 737 flights

Really? If you did a random sample prior to boarding and asked passengers what aircraft type they'd be boarding, what percentage do you think would know? 10%? 1%? 0.5%?

On a narrow boady aircraft, less than 10% know the aircraft type even after they board and less than 1% know it before they board. If ind it hard to believe that any more than a tiny fraction of 1% would actually know at ticked purchase or reservation time the narrowbody equipment of their ticket, and a much smaller still fraction would actually swirch their preferred departure times to avoid one or the other.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: AlexPorter
Posted 2006-07-03 23:23:06 and read 6293 times.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 7):
On a narrow boady aircraft, less than 10% know the aircraft type even after they board and less than 1% know it before they board.

I bet the numbers are larger than that (i.e. business travelers) but that aside there are a lot of people who have no idea (at least more than half depending on the route). In April I was on a red-eye DL MD-88 from PHX-ATL. A group of kids my age (college) were going on the flight and one of them looked out the window at the MD-88 and said in a somewhat angry tone, "they're going to fit all of us on to that little plane?" (it was late and concessions were closed, so everyone was around the gate for once). In reply, this one girl said "Little plane? Isn't it a 737?" I was trying not to laugh, but even in my honors dorm floor most people didn't know and would always ask me questions about this and that before they flew anywhere. One kid who regularly flies out of O'Hare asked me in the spring what airport had the code of ORD. I honestly don't know how load factors are so high - by which I mean I'm surprised that most passengers can even find the proper gate.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: WNCrew
Posted 2006-07-04 00:41:58 and read 5725 times.

I just worked on our LATEST delivery today N245WN (delivered June 29-2006). We got on this morning in LAX .....I'm not sure if today was it's first revenue day but it sure seemed that way when we got on, it was GREAT! All the doors opened/closed easily and didn't stick, the lavs were clean, galleys were clean everything worked properly, and it smelled like "New Plane". This is not to make it sound like our planes are in bad shape...I don't think so, but some of them ARE old, like the Spirit of Kitty Hawk -300, 1984!!.
They fly/operate fine, but the interiors are older in regards to galleys/lavs. All of our seats/carpets are fairly new since we haven't been in Spirit Configuration for too long. The only thing I don't like about the -300's is the damn overhead bins! They're too small and we can't accomodate everyone's baggage. Then again if people would actually FOLLOW the baggage allowance policy we wouldn't have a problem but that's another issue. Other than that it's minor things, jumpseats, galleys, lavs, air conditioning etc!
It's the same job no matter the plane, the -700's are just nicer!

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: GuitrThree
Posted 2006-07-04 00:44:07 and read 5707 times.

Ahh..

Bin space.. I never thought of that and I should have.. that makes a lot of sense... we weren't but about 60% full on the way up, but almost 100% on the way back and there were bin issues...

thanks for the replies..

And, btw, I tend to like the 737 and the 320's just the same. Sure, there are differences between the '37's series, but I'm betting like others said, that their are more than a hand full of passengers that board both the Boeing and Airbus and think they are climbing aboard a 747. I don't buy the fact that people avoid them except for a small, and I mean small fraction.... Maybe in "Club Europe," but I have no idea what that is, and probably because the airline offered better accommodations in the newer A320 and didn't offer them in the 737's because they were retiring that fleet?

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: DTWAGENT
Posted 2006-07-04 02:29:10 and read 5083 times.

I thought the galley on the 733 is smaller then on the other aircrafts. Is that true?????


chuck

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: WNCrew
Posted 2006-07-04 02:50:17 and read 4930 times.

Here at WN all of our galleys are the same size regardless of AC. The only thing semi-related to that is on the -500 the forward entry area is a little roomier because there is a much thinner windscreen as opposed to the HUGE one on the -700 which holds a lot of our emergency equipment.

On a curious note: Lavs on the older AC are much rommier than on the newer AC.....not sure why that is....maybe the rear pressure bulkhead area of the -700 is designed differently?

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2006-07-04 05:21:33 and read 4724 times.

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 6):
That said, the 737 in any form is inferior to the Airbus narrow body family

That's news to me! In terms of what? Because if you're talking about range, cruising speed, and cruising altitude, the 736 beats the 318...the 73G beats the 319...the 738 beats the 320.

Airlines operate aircraft which make the most sense for them financially. Both the A and B narrowbodies are successful. The new 737's can just do more than the Airbus planes can from an operational standpoint.

From a passengers standpoint, it really all depends on the airline and which kind of seats they choose to use. The "wide cabin" of the Airbus family is barely noticeable to me. Certainly not something I would go out of my way for.

Topic: RE: Why Does The WN Flight Crew Dislike The 733?
Username: Cactus739
Posted 2006-07-04 09:49:22 and read 4556 times.

Quoting RB211LTN (Reply 6):
Passengers love the A320 and hate the 737

I'm a paying passenger and I'm quite happy on a 737...... maybe you shouldn't make such general statements?

 coffee 


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