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Topic: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-10 04:27:10 and read 6629 times.

Delta obtained special approval from ANAC to run seasonal flight during the Brazilian summer, between ATL and GRU. Authorization grant from December 15 to March 28, 2007.

This is an interesting development as it will provide use for one aircraft )767-300ER) parked during the day at GRU.

DL145 will depart ATL at 0945 arriving GRU at 2210

DL144 will depart GRU at 1005 arriving ATL at 1645

With such special approval, DL will run 28 weekly flights to Brazil.


ANAC also authorized:

+2x weekly flights EZE-GRU (AR)
+5x weekly flights SCL-GRU (LA)

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-10 04:30:54 and read 6623 times.

interesting...this would eliminate the dead time DL airplanes sit at GRU. I would think the return overnight flight would have to leave close to midnight in order to provide enough ground time in GRU - not impossible but that seems later than when I've flown from there to ATL on DL in the past.

any word about AA's request? Did DL get something and AA didn't?

Did ANAC like DL's proposal better because it wasn't a direct competitor to a Brazilian carrier's flights?

thanks for the info....help us fill in more details.

[Edited 2006-08-10 04:33:29]

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-10 04:46:30 and read 6593 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
any word about AA's request? Did DL get something and AA didn't?

AA requested more flights also, they received the approval for 2 weekly flights (from 5x GRU-DFW to 7x GIG-MIA), but they really need and want more. Without RG (last summer they run 13 weekly flights to MIA) and due to the market growth, i believe at least 7 extra flights to MIA will be allowed by ANAC.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
Did ANAC like DL's proposal better because it wasn't a direct competitor to a Brazilian carrier's flights?

For sure! I have some doubts about a daily-light and the possible connections at ATL to connect DL144/145. It seems too early (departure) and too late (arrival). MIA daily light arrives earlier, and MIA is by far a strong O&D market from Brazil.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
interesting...this would eliminate the dead time DL airplanes sit at GRU

They will still keep one 763ER from JFK flight all the day at GRU.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Teixeim
Posted 2006-08-10 04:50:44 and read 6586 times.

These new flights seem to already be in the DL system. I just checked for Dec. 16th and returning Jan. 11 and the economy sections were empty for now. Sure makes for speedy transit time connecting to a daytime flight and a flight returning stateside in late afternoon/early evening. Can't wait to see what develops here....

Can anyone provide info on DL's new JFK-GRU service? Loads, etc.?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Venezuela747
Posted 2006-08-10 04:54:20 and read 6579 times.

Well that looks like an odd time. Don't most flight to GRU are red eyes both in and out of GRU. It limits the amount of connections traffic going through ATL before 9AM, and get into GRU really late

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2006-08-10 04:57:35 and read 6549 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
It seems too early (departure) and too late (arrival). MIA daily light arrives earlier, and MIA is by far a strong O&D market from Brazil.

I'm going to disagree here. For the ATL-GRU flight, the entire East Coast of the United States is available (pretty much any decent sized DL station on the Eastern Time Zone has an arrival at ATL by 9; the PWM/MHT/BOS flights all land by 9 a.m.), and there are also connections available from the West Coast on red-eyes. For the return, not only does it open up connections to Europe (a 1645 arrival will allow for connections to nearly every European city DL serves), but also pretty much every domestic city in the DL network can be reached that same day as well. This move makes DL a player in the Brazil-Europe market; the daytime GRU-ATL connects to Europe, and the red-eye ATL-GRU connects from all the European arrivals.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-10 05:04:53 and read 6525 times.

Quoting Teixeim (Reply 3):
Can anyone provide info on DL's new JFK-GRU service? Loads, etc.?

Due to RG problems, the flight is performing very well as per friends at GRU. I have info for just one flight, the DL121 from JFK arrived at July 26 with 160 pax on board.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-10 05:14:00 and read 6500 times.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
I'm going to disagree here. For the ATL-GRU flight, the entire East Coast of the United States is available (pretty much any decent sized DL station on the Eastern Time Zone has an arrival at ATL by 9; the PWM/MHT/BOS flights all land by 9 a.m.), and there are also connections available from the West Coast on red-eyes. For the return, not only does it open up connections to Europe (a 1645 arrival will allow for connections to nearly every European city DL serves), but also pretty much every domestic city in the DL network can be reached that same day as well. This move makes DL a player in the Brazil-Europe market; the daytime GRU-ATL connects to Europe, and the red-eye ATL-GRU connects from all the European arrivals.

DeltaAirlines, i doubt DL can be a player on Brazil-Europe market: Europe does not require any kind of visa for Brazilians (if we use non-stop) and if we take a DL flight to ATL we will need to wait 25 days for an interview on consulates, pay US$ 100,00 for a transit visa (and it could be denied), and spend at least 10 hours more for a flight GRU-ATL-Europe. Of course, a few number of people can do this!
Concerning to domestic destinations, thanks for your explanation, no doubt DL can fight for Brazilian routes on several US markets although it's a seasonal service and will run only during the Brazilian summer.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2006-08-10 05:43:24 and read 6447 times.

Interesting choice by Delta. The first time around their 2nd daily ATL-GRU flight performed poorly, but with Varig gone there is a shot to make it work. I don't see it working well as a daylight unless cargo plays a big part. I'm sure they would have it be a redeye if it were not for lack of airplanes.

AA hopes to add a second daily MIA-GRU daylight with the 772 that is parked all day, making 4x daily MIA-GRU for them. They will already be doubling MIA-GIG capacity to 2x daily during the Northern winter (12x weekly during the Northern summer).

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2006-08-10 05:46:33 and read 6443 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
AA hopes to add a second daily MIA-GRU daylight with the 772 that is parked all day

Is AA's current daylight flight going down to 4x/week on Sept 8th just temporary?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2006-08-10 06:00:55 and read 6418 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
AA hopes to add a second daily MIA-GRU daylight with the 772 that is parked all day, making 4x daily MIA-GRU for them. They will already be doubling MIA-GIG capacity to 2x daily during the Northern winter (12x weekly during the Northern summer).

Wouldn't this extra allotment allow AA to finally expand beyond GRU/GIG? Couldn't they use the extra 7 weekly frequencies to BSB, MAO, REC, etc.?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2006-08-10 06:01:06 and read 6418 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):

Is AA's current daylight flight going down to 4x/week on Sept 8th just temporary?

Of course. AA does this every year because of slow demand during September and October, and because AA sends thier planes into heavier maintence checks so they have less planes available. This year they will be even more short of 763s as usual due to the new business class conversion. The flight reverts to daily in November.

However, given the fact that Varig has yet to resume MIA flights (although it will be the first long-haul city they resume after FRA, which they have already resumed), I would not be surprised to see AA operate the flight daily through Sept/Oct this year.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Jrlander
Posted 2006-08-10 06:36:52 and read 6372 times.

On a slightly related note, Delta.com is showing a Crown Room Club at GRU. Is this new?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-10 14:43:08 and read 6234 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
AA hopes to add a second daily MIA-GRU daylight with the 772 that is parked all day, making 4x daily MIA-GRU for them. They will already be doubling MIA-GIG capacity to 2x daily during the Northern winter (12x weekly during the Northern summer).

Don't you think it's better a daily-light JFK-GRU with the 772 ? I believe JFK-GRU market allows a successful daily-light flight to Brazil. RG 4x weekly daily light use to be not so full, but AA keep a much strong base of customers and not a bad reputation and probably will obtain a better result.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
Wouldn't this extra allotment allow AA to finally expand beyond GRU/GIG? Couldn't they use the extra 7 weekly frequencies to BSB, MAO, REC, etc.?

BigGSFO i don't think due to costs of establish a new base, and it will be only during 4 months. For sure it will be a smart move.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
However, given the fact that Varig has yet to resume MIA flights (although it will be the first long-haul city they resume after FRA, which they have already resumed), I would not be surprised to see AA operate the flight daily through Sept/Oct this year.

US-Brazil market lost 27 weekly flights in a time with 10% more (at least) demand, and even with new DL seasonal service ANAC knows the need for more 3 daily flights just to keep last year levels. JJ new service MAO-MIA helps, but it's an A320 with 156 seats only. RG return to MIA (daily) is something unclear, they obtained this week 5 more B733 for domestic routes but nothing yet for the international long haul flights.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-10 15:16:49 and read 6197 times.

Brazilians aren’t the only ones that travel between Europe and Brazil. Most Europeans do not need visas to transit the US.

Granted, travel via the US takes longer than via European hubs but DL serves many secondary cities from ATL to Europe that have no direct service to Brazil. And the point is not that DL would get the highest revenue from those passengers just that DL would have the ability to sell some connections even at lower end fares to help fill seats that may – or may not – go empty.

DL actually has flights arriving in ATL in time to connect with the new daylight flight from most cities in the Eastern and Central time zones as well as the red eye flights from nearly a dozen cities on the west coast. Since DL also has red eye flights from DEN and SLC to ATL, only smaller secondary cities in the Mountain time zone and some Central Time Zone cities are the only ones that cannot connect to the new flight.

I suspect a lot of business people will like being able to arrive in GRU in time to go to bed and then wake up refreshed for meetings instead of arriving in the morning and then having to fight sleepiness throughout the first day.

Despite numerous attempts by a.netters to show that DL cannot make various int’l flights from ATL work, there have been precious few international route failures by DL from ATL although some flights have not had the profit potential others have had. DL has the world’s largest hub there with flights to five continents as of this winter. ATL is not the SE backwater far too many people here make it out to be.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Delta787
Posted 2006-08-10 15:28:58 and read 6178 times.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 12):
On a slightly related note, Delta.com is showing a Crown Room Club at GRU. Is this new?

Yes Its new. I got an email from Delta recently saying they were opening a Crown Room at GRU.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2006-08-10 17:14:47 and read 6107 times.

Interesting that Delta is starting this flight. It will be interesting to see this work out. Of course, they fact that DL can now use 2 planes for 2 roundtrips instead of just one r/t is a positive thing. Plus as said, connection opportunities are not that bad either, at least on the ATL side. IIRC, Delta operates a total of 14 redeyes from the Western US, which certainly isn't that bad, plus of course early arrivals from the rest of the US. It could work.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Teixeim
Posted 2006-08-10 17:46:14 and read 6061 times.

We just got two beautiful (nice shot of Rio Sugar Loaf mtn w/beach) postcard mailers from Delta SkyMiles reminding us of daily flights to Rio and São Paulo via ATL and JFK. The first postcard had a misspelling of Rio de Janeiro (as Rio de Janiero). Also mentioned a website landing page in Portuguese: http://www.delta.com/portugues. An interactive map of South America is featured along with a quick search for flights.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Incitatus
Posted 2006-08-10 18:17:05 and read 6020 times.

Let us hope ANAC becomes more and more accommodating to requests for temporary frequencies for high season. It makes no sense to squeeze the US-Brazil nonstop market and push traffic into the arms of Copa, Lan, Taca and Avianca. But when was it that the Brazilian gov't made any sense?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: HALFA
Posted 2006-08-11 02:38:16 and read 5822 times.

Oi Felipe,

This is great news for us here in Hawaii! With this new flight, DL will now be the quickest way for people in Hawaii to travel to Brazil with one stop service from HNL to ATL and on to GRU. The travel time will only be 19 hours, which is much faster than any other carrier's service.
Unfortunately, I just got off of DL's website as I want to spend New Years in Rio and the price they quoted for HNL-ATL-GRU-ATL-HNL was $2700.00+ US!!
Hopefully, the fares will come down soon!

Aloha,
HALFA

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-11 03:01:37 and read 5801 times.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 19):
Unfortunately, I just got off of DL's website as I want to spend New Years in Rio and the price they quoted for HNL-ATL-GRU-ATL-HNL was $2700.00+ US!!

Hi Halfa ! Nice to read your words my friend, wish to meet you at Rio this New Years. I'm now on the same situation (i'm moving to New York as i was promoted!) and take care on GRU-GIG legs as Tam increase their fares from R$ 99 to R$ 720 (as per a friend, to avoid pax from other airlines to just use their service, not allowing Tam to offer connections for their own pax). If you buy only this leg, the only available fare is Full Y. For Xmas, Unfortunately i tried to book a ATL-GIG flight on Dec, 22 but it's almost full (i saw only 6C seats available and the lower fare is US$ 5,500 with return on Y).

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 18):
Let us hope ANAC becomes more and more accommodating to requests for temporary frequencies for high season. It makes no sense to squeeze the US-Brazil nonstop market and push traffic into the arms of Copa, Lan, Taca and Avianca. But when was it that the Brazilian gov't made any sense?

Today they authorized more 6x GIG-EZE for AR ! And more will come...

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-15 16:33:06 and read 5603 times.

Lipe:

Tks for the news. Here are DL new schedule for Brazil effective Dec/06:

DL 145 ATL-GRU 09:45 22:10 B767 daily
DL 105 ATL-GRU 19:40 08:05 B767 daily
DL 121 JFK-GRU 21:00 09:35 B767 daily
DL 061 ATL-GIG 19:45 08:10 B767 daily

DL 144 GRU-ATL 10:05 16:45 B767 daily
DL 104 GRU-ATL 22:55 05:35 B767 daily
DL 120 GRU-JFK 22:50 05:25 B767 daily
DL 060 GIG-ATL 22:55 05:40 B767 daily

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2006-08-15 17:29:37 and read 5555 times.

Thanks for the times, but are those exact? Looking at the times, flight 105/144 work out to your typical 24-hour longhaul turn, with 2- and 3-hour turns, whereas the 104/145 combo isn't exactly well-timed, with a 4:10h turn at ATL, yet only 0:45 at GRU. That can't really work, unless flt 145 departs ATL 1 hour earlier.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-15 18:53:01 and read 5494 times.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
Thanks for the times, but are those exact? Looking at the times, flight 105/144 work out to your typical 24-hour longhaul turn, with 2- and 3-hour turns, whereas the 104/145 combo isn't exactly well-timed, with a 4:10h turn at ATL, yet only 0:45 at GRU. That can't really work, unless flt 145 departs ATL 1 hour earlier.

Timetable is correct.

Very good comment, and at GRU 45 minutes to do all procedures (including a little cleaning), seems that all the days DL night flight will be delayed. They need at least 80 minutes!

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2006-08-15 18:56:02 and read 5489 times.

It looks like DL145 get into GRU at night and then ONs and leaves as DL144 to ATL at 10:05 the next morning. All other aircraft spend the day at GRU like usual and leave that night.

Jeremy

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-15 22:56:35 and read 5415 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 24):
It looks like DL145 get into GRU at night and then ONs and leaves as DL144 to ATL at 10:05 the next morning. All other aircraft spend the day at GRU like usual and leave that night.

To do this DL needs a 3rd aircraft at least and need to stay parked during the night and it's not a smart decision. But it could be. IMO it could be better depart ATL a little early (also will allow more connecting options at GRU).

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2006-08-15 23:20:24 and read 5402 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
To do this DL needs a 3rd aircraft at least and need to stay parked during the night and it's not a smart decision. But it could be. IMO it could be better depart ATL a little early (also will allow more connecting options at GRU).

Indeed, it would be a waste of an aircraft. But then again, December is off-season to Europe, where DL will probably need around 6-7 planes less, so maybe they aren't worried too much about whether a plane sits on the ground at ATL or GRU.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Jetlanta
Posted 2006-08-15 23:39:54 and read 5374 times.

Delta has actually been doing a significant amount of 767 cleaning and mtc in Brazil. This additional downtime may have something to do with that as well.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-16 22:34:45 and read 5292 times.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 27):
Delta has actually been doing a significant amount of 767 cleaning and mtc in Brazil. This additional downtime may have something to do with that as well.

Interesting comment. Which company performs DL maintenance in Brazil? VEM?

Tks,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-17 03:58:14 and read 5231 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
Interesting comment. Which company performs DL maintenance in Brazil? VEM?

Hardi, they use VEM services at GIG.

Also some good news, during a ceremony yesterday for the opening of DL new ticket office in Rio, the Directors says they will bring two news during the next 30/60 days ! I'm curious!!!
Should be a 764 to GIG during the Brazilian summer ? Or a tag to other aircraft on their JFK flight ? Or even a seasonal service to northeast ?

Delta is really trying to improve services and options to Brazil. Two years ago was the last one, and now become the 3rd and will be the 2nd player very soon when they start their 4th daily flight.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-17 15:13:10 and read 5173 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 29):
Hardi, they use VEM services at GIG.

Tks for the info.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 29):
Also some good news, during a ceremony yesterday for the opening of DL new ticket office in Rio, the Directors says they will bring two news during the next 30/60 days ! I'm curious!!!

I am also curious. Considering that DL cannot get more slots to Brazil, it could be a change in the route of its current flights. Maybe they will tag-on JFK-GRU flight to GIG. They could also upgrade ATL-GIG to B764 during the Southern Summer, as you mentioned.

The launch of DL new office in Rio de Janeiro shows that DL is in GIG to stay! (before DL shared CO office in Rio). No doubt DL are doing extremely well in GIG market.

Lipe, until recently DL used AF lounge in GRU (like it does in GIG). I got the news that DL has recently opened its own lounge in GRU, could you confirm? This because AF lounge in GRU was really getting crowded (AF alone is doubling capacity to GRU, plus the lounge is already shared with many airlines such as KL, CO, AZ, AM, CM, etc). i

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Panamair
Posted 2006-08-17 15:25:23 and read 5163 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 30):
Lipe, until recently DL used AF lounge in GRU (like it does in GIG). I got the news that DL has recently opened its own lounge in GRU, could you confirm?

Yes, apparently DL now has a Crown Room Club (CRC) at GRU:

http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...crown_room_locations/index.jsp#sao

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-17 15:34:32 and read 5152 times.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 31):
Yes, apparently DL now has a Crown Room Club (CRC) at GRU:

Indeed, very interesting development. AF lounge in GRU is overcrowded and cannot cope with the huge increase of pax using the lounge. With its own lounge DL can now offer a dedicated space to its elite pax in GRU. DL has also improved its meal service out of GRU. Very good to see DL improving its service in/out of GRU.

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Panamair
Posted 2006-08-17 15:45:12 and read 5131 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 32):
With its own lounge DL can now offer a dedicated space to its elite pax in GRU

Interesting that the opening hours are from 6am to Midnight - they must be also contracting it out to other airlines for most of the day then....

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-17 15:54:06 and read 5118 times.

although the daylight flight will keep DL busier in the morning... could be a nice place for business travelers to hold an airport meeting.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Teixeim
Posted 2006-08-17 16:01:37 and read 5116 times.

Since someone brought up catering... When flying DL RIC-ATL-GRU in December 2005, we found the catering at GRU to be better than the ATL catering, especially on the kids meals and veggie meal requests. The one criticism I had of DL's catering was the absence of Guarana and Brazilian beer. In 2001 and prior, they had both on hand upon request.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-17 16:07:45 and read 5111 times.

Quoting Teixeim (Reply 35):
The one criticism I had of DL's catering was the absence of Guarana and Brazilian beer

Very good point here and I find the same! Interesting to note that CO offers Guarana - not Antartica though  Wink on its flights to both GRU and GIG!

Anyone knows with which airlines is DL sharing its new lounge in GRU?

Tks

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-17 16:51:25 and read 5080 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 30):
Maybe they will tag-on JFK-GRU flight to GIG. They could also upgrade ATL-GIG to B764 during the Southern Summer, as you mentioned.

Another possibility is to upgrade GRU-ATL to 764 year round, and include the tag on JFK-GRU to CNF instead of GIG. With this, Delta will take the advantage to be the only one from US to CNF, and could feed also the ATL flight.

A strong believe they will open a new base in Brazil very soon.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
Anyone knows with which airlines is DL sharing its new lounge in GRU?

I will try to obtain such info with Delta in Rio next week (i will fly GIG-ATL with them)

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-17 22:47:45 and read 4982 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 37):
A strong believe they will open a new base in Brazil very soon.

Felipe,
what do you mean "new base"?

do you see DL extending one of their routes to MVD or even the ASU route that AA is being requested to do? While they would like to add more S. America service, it doesn't make alot of sense to add any points beyond their first S. American stop if they can fill the plane which they obviously can do.

Suppose DL has rec'd permission to add nonstop service to a city beyond GRU or GIG?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Nickofatlanta
Posted 2006-08-18 01:56:47 and read 4927 times.

Following on from what WorldTraveller said above, we should also remember that this second ATL-GRU flight is only seasonal. Whilst it may make sense to add a tag-on when you have two daily flights and a lot more seats to fill ATL-GRU, the numbers may not work for the rest of the year when you only you have one flight to fill.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-18 02:50:42 and read 4898 times.

How about the announcement is that TAM is going to join Skyteam and become a DL partner? They already have a partnership w/ AF.

TAM has said before it isn't overly fond of the 800 pound S. AAmerican gorilla. DL and Tam are direct competitors on fewer routes which gives them better potential to be partners.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-18 03:16:03 and read 4876 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 38):
do you see DL extending one of their routes to MVD or even the ASU route that AA is being requested to do? While they would like to add more S. America service, it doesn't make alot of sense to add any points beyond their first S. American stop if they can fill the plane which they obviously can do.

I don't believe a new destination as MVD or ASU, but CNF seems to be very good for a tag from GRU or GIG (despite AA that keep using JJ services, DL need to do this by itself)

An 764 year round could take advantage of a new destination like CNF, but let's wait for their formal announcement.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 38):
Suppose DL has rec'd permission to add nonstop service to a city beyond GRU or GIG?

It could be, but in this case, AA will receive frequencies also.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2006-08-18 04:45:13 and read 4831 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
How about the announcement is that TAM is going to join Skyteam and become a DL partner?

TAM is joining Skyteam? Did I sleep through another announcement?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2006-08-18 05:15:57 and read 4822 times.

Some news:

American Airlines will change the timetable for their nowadays daily-light flight MIA-GRU (AA929/AA930).

This flight will now run during the night effective December 14.

American Airlines
AA 930 Guarulhos Int'l (GRU), Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Terminal 2 01:30
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 06:45
Non-stop
763 8h15min Daily

American Airlines
AA 929 Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 22:00
Guarulhos Int'l (GRU), Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Terminal 2 09:20+1 day(s)
Non-stop
763 8h20min Daily

Due to this AA will need 2 more 763 to run their Brazilian network. Now AA will use 4 772 and 12 763 just to run their US-Brazil-US network.

Seems that TAM will become the only one flying MIA-GRU daily light and DL could take some advantage with their new flight daily-light ATL-GRU.

AA will run during the summer 5x daily MIA night flight, 3x GRU and 2x GIG.

Felipe

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: N600RR
Posted 2006-08-18 05:24:48 and read 4814 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
Anyone knows with which airlines is DL sharing its new lounge in GRU?

IINM, all SkyTeam carrier club/lounge members have reciprocal access -- if that's what you mean...

Anyone know if these DL flights will be codeshared (e.g. by NW)? Does the non-operating carrier need to get gov't approval as well as the operating carrier?

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-18 11:13:20 and read 4769 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 43):
Due to this AA will need 2 more 763 to run their Brazilian network. Now AA will use 4 772 and 12 763 just to run their US-Brazil-US network.

Seems that TAM will become the only one flying MIA-GRU daily light and DL could take some advantage with their new flight daily-light ATL-GRU.

Tks for the info, Felipe. Very interesting. It will certainly help to boost JJ and DL day-light flights.

Quoting N600RR (Reply 44):
Anyone know if these DL flights will be codeshared (e.g. by NW)?

I know CO flights to GRU and GIG also have a NW code.

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-18 16:05:47 and read 4724 times.

I didn’t say that TAM would join Skyteam, just raising the possibility that could be the announcement.

I don’t see a 764 upgrade announcement as being terribly significant. CO already flies one into GRU and AA uses 777s. It wouldn’t hurt if DL did it but I’d be surprised if that is it.

DL does need a codeshare partner in Brazil. TAM would clearly be the 1st choice but you can’t rule out that Gol will decide to start interlining and become a codeshare partner with someone. I’m betting the announcement will be alliance rather than route related.

Interesting about AA giving up its daylight flight. That clearly benefits TAM and DL to a lesser extent. AA undoubtedly realizes they can maximize revenue with night time flights.

NW codeshares on DL’s nighttime ATLGRU flight but no one has their code on the new daytime one yet.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2006-08-18 18:35:17 and read 4661 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 43):
Due to this AA will need 2 more 763 to run their Brazilian network. Now AA will use 4 772 and 12 763 just to run their US-Brazil-US network.

AA might know something we don't with this change. Something like maybe they got new frequencies.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 43):
Seems that TAM will become the only one flying MIA-GRU daily light and DL could take some advantage with their new flight daily-light ATL-GRU.

The loads on the MIA-GRU flight were pretty bad. Rarely above 70%. The cargo traffic was great though, which kept the flight profitbale.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Brasuca
Posted 2006-08-18 19:03:36 and read 4634 times.

Sudden huge increase of flights + transfer of flights from CGH to GRU + VARIG slots rights secured up + no major exapansion at all = magic at GRU?!
We're about to see people boarding 747s in remote at GRU!!

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-18 21:49:10 and read 4589 times.

Hopefully, Brasil will BENEFIT rather than be harmed by the demise of Varig. Varig sat on a lot of valuable route assets which could be better deployed elsewhere. Given that the Brasilian economy is very strong right, the government would be best served to allow air service to grow while letting the remaining Brazilian carriers (which might include a mini-version of RG) know that if they don’t find the airplanes to fly new routes, the gov’t has to allow foreign companies increase their routes in order to keep the economy growing. Artificially restraining capacity while Brasilian carriers fight over the scraps from Varig does nothing to help Brasil as a whole.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: C010T3
Posted 2006-08-19 01:23:40 and read 4535 times.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 48):
We're about to see people boarding 747s in remote at GRU!!

That's why ANAC has started to restrain new frequencies to GRU.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-19 03:40:05 and read 4493 times.

I'm sure DL and AA could help alleviate the congestion at GRU with some nonstop flights to other parts of Brasil.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-22 18:02:50 and read 4388 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 49):
Artificially restraining capacity while Brasilian carriers fight over the scraps from Varig does nothing to help Brasil as a whole.

Correct.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 48):
We're about to see people boarding 747s in remote at GRU!!

With the demise of RG there are plenty of slots in GRU in peak times.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
Thanks for the times, but are those exact? Looking at the times, flight 105/144 work out to your typical 24-hour longhaul turn, with 2- and 3-hour turns, whereas the 104/145 combo isn't exactly well-timed, with a 4:10h turn at ATL, yet only 0:45 at GRU.

You are right, so here is DL reissued schedule for Brazil as of December/06:

To answer the above question DL has just reissued its schedule and the flight DL 104 will now be DL 114 with departing GRU 00.25 and arriving ATL 07.05 (turn-over time of 2h15min).

Here is DL complete schedule as of December/06:

DL 145 ATL-GRU 09:45 22:10 B767 daily
DL 105 ATL-GRU 19:40 08:05 B767 daily
DL 121 JFK-GRU 21:00 09:35 B767 daily
DL 061 ATL-GIG 19:35 08:10 B767 daily

DL 144 GRU-ATL 10:05 16:45 B767 daily
DL 114 GRU-ATL 00:25 07:05 B767 daily
DL 120 GRU-JFK 23:25 06:00 B767 daily
DL 060 GIG-ATL 22:55 05:40 B767 daily


As such, DL 105 turns into DL 114 with a turn-around of 2h15min, plenty of enought time.

It also means that GRU-ATL red-eye will be less attractive with arrival time at 07.50 in contract GIG-ATL will have a "prime arrival slot" at 05.40!

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2006-08-22 19:33:56 and read 4339 times.

You can do one last dance or have one more meeting before heading to the airport with their new schedule.

DL serves more cities on its 9.30 - 10 am complex at ATL than they do at 7 a.m. plus they reduce the connect time to the Tokyo flight which draws lots of connections (as do CO and AA's comparable schedules at IAH and DFW).

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2006-08-22 21:08:21 and read 4309 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 52):
Here is DL complete schedule as of December/06:

DL 145 ATL-GRU 09:45 22:10 B767 daily
DL 105 ATL-GRU 19:40 08:05 B767 daily
DL 121 JFK-GRU 21:00 09:35 B767 daily
DL 061 ATL-GIG 19:35 08:10 B767 daily

DL 144 GRU-ATL 10:05 16:45 B767 daily
DL 114 GRU-ATL 00:25 07:05 B767 daily
DL 120 GRU-JFK 23:25 06:00 B767 daily
DL 060 GIG-ATL 22:55 05:40 B767 daily

Thanks for the info, simply makes more sense that way as it allows DL to increase plane utilization big time on their South America ops.

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2006-08-23 12:07:41 and read 4200 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 53):
DL serves more cities on its 9.30 - 10 am complex at ATL than they do at 7 a.m. plus they reduce the connect time to the Tokyo flight which draws lots of connections (as do CO and AA's comparable schedules at IAH and DFW).

You are correct, tks for the information. The only negative point of the 7am arrival is that immigration is a lot more crowded in ATL as compared to the 5am GIG flight arrival (which is one of the first to arrive and immigration is almost empty).

What is the minimum possible time for international connections with DL in ATL?

Rgs,

Topic: RE: DL To Fly 2x ATL-GRU With Seasonal Daily-light
Username: Panamair
Posted 2006-08-23 12:52:25 and read 4185 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 55):
The only negative point of the 7am arrival is that immigration is a lot more crowded in ATL as compared to the 5am GIG flight arrival

Actually, the 7am arrival time from GRU is not too bad as GIG/EZE/SCL arrivals are bunched more tightly together. GRU has to contend with the UIO/GYE flight:

DL 60 from GIG at 0540
DL110 from EZE at 0600
DL146 from SCL at 0615
DL104 from GRU at 0705
DL195 from GYE/UIO at 0706
DL274 from LIM at 0805


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