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Topic: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-20 16:16:02 and read 6139 times.

I have found a number of BA domestic and European routes from LGW, but does anyone have a complete list, or a map, showing all of BA's domestic and Europe routes from LGW, including those op. by GB? Thanks a lot.

[Edited 2006-10-20 16:16:36]

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: SpeedbirdEGJJ
Posted 2006-10-20 17:14:43 and read 6092 times.

Pe@rson

As of this Summer

Aberdeen
Agadir
Ajaccio
Algeirs
ALicante
Amsterdam
Antigua
Arrecife
Athens
Atlanta
BArbados
BArcelona
BAri
Bastia
Bermuda
Bologna
Bordeaux
Cagliari
Catania
Dalaman
Dallas
Dublin
Dubrovnik
Edinburgh
Faro
Fez
Funchal
Geneva
Gibraltar
Glasgow
Grenada
Grenoble
Hassi Messaoud
Heraklion
Houston
Hurghada
Ibiza
Innsbruk
Inverness
Isle of Man
Izmir
Jersey
Keflavik
Kiev
Kingston
Krakow
Las Palmas
Luxembourg
MAdrid
Malaga
Malta
Manchester
Marrakech
Marseille
Menorca
Montpellier
Nantes
Naples
Newcastle
Nice
Orlando
Palma
Paphos
Pisa
Prague
Pristina
Rhodes
Riga
Rome
Seville
Sharm el Sheikh
Split
St Lucia
Tampa
Tenerife North
Tenerife South
Thessaloniki
Tirana
Tobago
Tolouse
Tunis
Turin
Valencia
Varna
Venice
Verona
Vilnius
Zurich


Rgrds
Ryan

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-20 23:16:01 and read 5957 times.

Thanks.

With ever cheaper and quicker (and, if travelling to and from the cities, more convenient) trains from London to Manchester and vice-versa, how is BA's LGW-MAN-LGW doing in terms of demand and yield? It currently operates 7x daily flights (during the week; 4x on Saturdays and Sundays) using 733s/734s/735s. Should these very valuable slots, what with the sheer shortage of them at LGW, be more effectively used on other existing routes, in terms of increasing frequencies, or to launch brand-new routes?

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-26 14:34:34 and read 5725 times.

Any idea how BA's four-times-weekly LGW-ATH service (using 734s) performs?

Most odd - Amadeus listed the flights as BA's, but they are, in fact, by OA. It's changed back to OA now. Strange.

[Edited 2006-10-26 15:02:07]

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: SpeedbirdEGJJ
Posted 2006-10-26 15:25:39 and read 5678 times.

Dont think it did that bad, volume was there, not sure on the yield but was always meant to be a supplimentary serivce for the summer only. Will quite possibly be reinstated for next summer, haven't heard anything to the contrary at the min.

Did you get my PM re the other questions raised??

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-26 15:28:14 and read 5673 times.

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 4):
Did you get my PM re the other questions raised??

I did thanks. I replied. Did you get it?

I effectively said will be flying JER-LGW, #8038, on 6th November. How full is it at the moment?

Also said that nice to see you're a B.A. manager. An uncle of mine was the head of B.A. in America pre-retirement.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2006-10-26 17:01:48 and read 5629 times.

GIven that MAN is also served from LHR, LCY and STN (and, with the exception of STN, with pretty high frequencies), there still seems to be sufficient demand. I would expect LGW to be the least effected from the trains as LGW will mainly cater for the south of the river crowd.

Any insight how much connceting traffic BA has on its domestic routes to LGW compared to the domestic routes to LHR ?

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-10-26 18:31:01 and read 5570 times.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):
Any insight how much connceting traffic BA has on its domestic routes to LGW compared to the domestic routes to LHR ?

Significantly more at LHR, because BA serve significantly more destinations from LHR.

The only domestic routes to LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN and JER I think. Has the IOM service been discontinued?

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-26 18:45:56 and read 5553 times.

How many 733s/734s/734s does BA base @ LGW?

How many 320s/321s does GB base @ LGW?

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Flycro
Posted 2006-10-26 21:42:15 and read 5485 times.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 7):
The only domestic routes to LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN and JER I think. Has the IOM service been discontinued?

Bacon fly IOM-LGW upping the service for the winter x4 daily

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2006-10-26 21:47:15 and read 5478 times.

Domestic destinations from LGW are INV, ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN, IOM and JER
Domestic destinations from LHR are ABZ, EDI, GLA, NCL, MAN... Anything else ?

So it is 8:5 (admittedly, the LGW-exclusive destinations are fairly small markets....).

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: VV701
Posted 2006-10-26 22:09:01 and read 5456 times.

BA's 737 fleet - all based at LGW - comprises:
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2006-10-26 22:11:25 and read 5455 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
BA's 737 fleet - all based at LGW - comprises:
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.

Thanks VV.

Do you know how many 320s/321s GB bases at LGW?

Cheers.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: A340600
Posted 2006-10-26 23:05:11 and read 5406 times.

Hey there Smile

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
With ever cheaper and quicker (and, if travelling to and from the cities, more convenient) trains from London to Manchester and vice-versa, how is BA's LGW-MAN-LGW doing in terms of demand and yield? It currently operates 7x daily flights (during the week; 4x on Saturdays and Sundays) using 733s/734s/735s.

Demand on some flights is excellent. The 9am departure LGW-MAN, I believe the 290(?) is usually full and the 2911 especially MAN-LGW in evenings is always full from what I hear and own experiences. However, the early morning 2901(?) LGW-MAN is never that full from experience and similarly with the last MAN-LGW 2913. I'm afraid I don't know about the daytime services.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
How many 733s/734s/734s does BA base @ LGW?



Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
5 733s
18 734s
9 735s

Just a small correction, it's 19 -400's since the return of G-DOCB from its Air One lease

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
No 319/320s are permanently based at LGW but one and (?) sometimes (?) two 319s are effectively based at LGW by rotating aircraft through the overnight stopping 319 services from both LHR and LGW to MAN.

A single 319 was based at LGW for certain periods of time (and 2 at others) and operates a certain daily pattern, always operating the first MAN-LGW and the busy 2903 service. However, at the moment I believe it has gone back to LHR for a few weeks, though i'm not sure. I certainly know it will be back.

Sam Smile

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: VV701
Posted 2006-10-27 00:28:18 and read 5367 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Do you know how many 320s/321s GB bases at LGW?

I am not sure that there is an answer to this. All their aircraft seem to make not that irregular appearances at LHR. While the BA 319 that operates out of LGW in

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
a certain daily pattern

actually overnights at MAN and then flies MAN-LGW (BA2901) LGW-MAN-LGW (BA2904/05) LGW-EDI-LGW (BA2938/39) LGW-ABZ-LGW (BA2926/27) LGW-MAN (BA2914). At MAN (as I said before) it frequently interchanges with the 319 that operates the last LHR-MAN service of the day. Effectively it is not really based at LGW but at MAN. But as we all know that is BA Connect territory. So it is a bit like the BA MAN-JFK-MAN 763.

But as far GT is concerned they operate flights to Gibraltar, Malaga and Marrakech/Casablanca from LHR. But if you consider the GIB flights at LHR, BA6898 leaves at 0730 hours while BA6899 arrives back at 2215 hours. But what returns does not always appear to be the same aircraft. The one operating BA6898 then operates BA6903, GIB-LGW, arriving back at LGW at 1355. This may or may not be the same aircraft that operates BA6906, LGW-GIB, departing at 1555. But the aircraft that operates this flight then does operate the evening flight (BA6899) back to LHR. So this aircraft that overnights at LHR and sets off for GIB the following morning is really based at LGW or, perhaps, temporarilly at LHR!

With most of GT's other LGW flights being once, twice or three times a week and with interchanges like that described above, I think that giving a straight answer to your question is as difficult as getting an answer to the question 'How long is a bit of string?' But hopefully some one else will disprove this.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Richardw
Posted 2006-10-27 14:12:30 and read 5275 times.

GT seem to do some odd routings, like CMN-LHR-CMN, and TFS-EMA-TFS, there are also some odd ones to RAK and AGA.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-10-27 18:15:07 and read 5186 times.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 15):
TFS-EMA-TFS

Aren't the EMA and BRS GT flights operated by MAN based aircraft? So surely the routing would be MAN-TFS-EMA-TFS-MAN. Fits into a day quite nicely.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Richardw
Posted 2006-10-27 18:32:33 and read 5166 times.

If you look at the timetables for a Friday MAN-TFS arrives at 11.35 and TFS-EMA leaves TFS at 09.35, some night stopping is my guess.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: A340600
Posted 2006-10-27 20:17:03 and read 5138 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
actually overnights at MAN and then flies MAN-LGW (BA2901) LGW-MAN-LGW (BA2904/05) LGW-EDI-LGW (BA2938/39) LGW-ABZ-LGW (BA2926/27) LGW-MAN (BA2914).

Yes, see

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
always operating the first MAN-LGW

 Smile

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
Effectively it is not really based at LGW but at MAN. But as we all know that is BA Connect territory. So it is a bit like the BA MAN-JFK-MAN 763.

Apart from the nightstop though, it operates mostly out of LGW and with LGW crews which is why it is really thought of as LGW based.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Speedbirdcrew
Posted 2006-10-27 20:26:35 and read 5124 times.

Quoting A340600 (Reply 13):
A single 319 was based at LGW for certain periods of time (and 2 at others) and operates a certain daily pattern, always operating the first MAN-LGW

It was nightstopping in EDI all summer not man..... However its back at LHR now

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Trintocan
Posted 2006-10-27 23:48:57 and read 5075 times.

How about Belfast? I think they are served from LHR as well. Does BA serve BFS or Belfast City?

TrinToCan.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: VV701
Posted 2006-10-28 01:06:27 and read 5048 times.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 20):
I think they are served from LHR as well. Does BA serve BFS or Belfast City?

I don't think so. If you want to fly from LHR to Belfast by BA I think you need to go via Manchester. So:
LHR-MAN BA1386 (320) MAN-BHD (Belfast City) (BA7603) (DH8)
has an elapsed time of 2 hrs 30 mins.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2006-10-28 16:43:14 and read 4960 times.

BA axed its LHR-BFS a couple of years ago amidst a considerable outcry ("BA abandoning N.I." etc. etc.) from the local community. LHR is nowadays served by bmi from BHD.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Trekster
Posted 2006-10-28 16:45:50 and read 4958 times.

James, why did u not just go to BA.COM and click on the route map. It shows you all destinations served from LGW on there

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Sam1987
Posted 2006-10-28 16:59:03 and read 4948 times.

Quoting Trekster (Reply 23):
It shows you all destinations served from LGW on there

On the European map, it only shows "London" and doesn't specify which destinations are served from LGW, LHR or LCY.

Topic: RE: BA's Domestic And European Routes From LGW
Username: Richardw
Posted 2006-10-29 00:40:16 and read 4871 times.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 24):
On the European map, it only shows "London" and doesn't specify which destinations are served from LGW, LHR or LCY.

Exactly, and the oneworld map doesn't either

http://www.innovata-llc.com/onw/default.asp?show=MAP

same with Paris aswell


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