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Topic: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Tolmachevo
Posted 2006-11-01 21:28:23 and read 16640 times.

Austrian to cut 700-1000 jobs and get rid of A330s


Die Presse

According to the Austrian daily - Die Presse, OS is to "cut 700-1000 more jobs and its A330 fleet. Cutting back on less profitable routes such as VIE-PVG. The AUA group employs 8600 and if the plan is carried out (including the 2 A340s already on their way to LX) a total loss of every 6th work place will occur. After the cut back of the Austrailia route this further saving course is to be announced at an EGM tomorrow."


Tough times for Austrian

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: ANstar
Posted 2006-11-01 21:39:24 and read 16581 times.

So that leaves 3 777's and 5 767's for their long haul fleet?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2006-11-01 21:45:30 and read 16528 times.

Why get rid of the A332s? I thought they were the right size for many AUA routes...

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2006-11-01 21:46:31 and read 16531 times.

Do they own their A330s, or are they leased?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: TK787
Posted 2006-11-01 21:46:56 and read 16537 times.

That is a shame, I have flown on their 330s and liked them a lot. How come they are let go, instead of the 767s?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Stitch
Posted 2006-11-01 21:55:40 and read 16430 times.

I can only think they might not be able to fill the larger A332? Or don't need it's range and the 767 comes out ahead in CASM because of it?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-11-01 21:56:02 and read 16432 times.

I'm not yet very good in German, but were the 350 job losses due to the Australian routes retreat and the sale of the two A340s (first paragraph) or only because of the Australian routes (fifth paragraph)?

OS shares have lost nearly 75% of their value compared to what they were in 1999, who is going to help the airline for its capital increase (400 million) ?

[Edited 2006-11-01 21:59:58]

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: KL808
Posted 2006-11-01 22:01:52 and read 16380 times.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
How come they are let go, instead of the 767s?

Maybe the 767's are owned and paid for, while the A332's are leased.

Probably cheaper to operate owned aircraft and fully paid for than expensive leased A330's

Just my opinion.

Quiet shocking if you ask me. Sad to see them leave the OS fleet.

Drew

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: UndaMaris
Posted 2006-11-01 22:11:20 and read 16279 times.

I'm wondering how long it will take until OS starts to get rid off their short and medium haul fleet, as there won't be any demand anymore for many, many routes which are currently feeding their long haul destinations ...

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2006-11-01 22:28:11 and read 16174 times.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
I can only think they might not be able to fill the larger A332? Or don't need it's range and the 767 comes out ahead in CASM because of it?

The three B777s are capable of serving the longer Asian routes while the B767s can operate to India and to the USA/Canada. The A332's longer range is not required any more on the shrunk network. So they can save costs by eliminating both the A330/A340s. Only one of the A332s is leased, so they will most likely get a good deal by selling the other three frames - we shouldn't forget there's a high demand for used A330s.

It will be interesting to see which narrowbody type will have to go - it makes no sense to operate both B737NG and A32X.


PH

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-11-01 22:30:25 and read 16149 times.

Die Presse says that they intend to increase the capital by up to EUR400 million, but according to OS 3Q report, they'll need EUR350 million.
Still from that report, OS intend to launch a strategic cooperation with Air Union from March next year, and they want to reorient the airlines long-haul programme by strengthening its trans-Atlantic routes.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: Jano
Posted 2006-11-01 22:44:53 and read 16050 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Only one of the A332s is leased, so they will most likely get a good deal by selling the other three frames - we shouldn't forget there's a high demand for used A330s.

Time for OK to get them  Wink

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Goldorak
Posted 2006-11-01 22:50:20 and read 15994 times.

Very sad for OS. That doesn't sound good  Sad

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Aviopic
Posted 2006-11-01 22:52:58 and read 15966 times.

On the other hand they will add another 3 F100's in the very near future.
So I guess the regional fleet does ok.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-11-02 00:15:48 and read 15679 times.

In that report, there are more details of the destinations that are to be stopped by the end of May 2007.

http://www.presseportal.de/story.htx?nr=894752&ressort=7

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Jimyvr
Posted 2006-11-02 00:29:40 and read 15618 times.

First casualty of the booming chinese market....especially for shanghai. sad

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PM
Posted 2006-11-02 00:53:30 and read 15518 times.

They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-11-02 01:01:47 and read 15474 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

US Airways????

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Boeing744
Posted 2006-11-02 01:13:04 and read 15436 times.

I may be flying OS in late January on the YYZ-VIE route. I know this route is currently operated by the A332. Is there a chance it may be switched to a 767 by that time, or will it still most likely be an A332? The article said that they will start getting rid of them this January. I still don't know what airline I will be flying, but it would be nice to know in the case that I do fly OS...

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: OS-A330
Posted 2006-11-02 01:32:20 and read 15369 times.

Help, my username will disappear!  Sad

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I may be flying OS in late January on the YYZ-VIE route. I know this route is currently operated by the A332. Is there a chance it may be switched to a 767 by that time, or will it still most likely be an A332? The article said that they will start getting rid of them this January. I still don't know what airline I will be flying, but it would be nice to know in the case that I do fly OS...

They are already operating the YYZ-VIE route with a 767-300 and will not change this until late January.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2006-11-02 01:33:43 and read 15336 times.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
US Airways????


Thats what I am hoping for. Would be a welcome addition.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Boeing744
Posted 2006-11-02 01:38:29 and read 15303 times.

Quoting OS-A330 (Reply 19):
They are already operating the YYZ-VIE route with a 767-300 and will not change this until late January.

OK, thanks for the info... I like the 767, so hopefully I will take this route.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Jdwfloyd
Posted 2006-11-02 01:49:44 and read 15138 times.

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Don't even paint the things, get them over here and up and running by May.

I hope they already made the phone call to ILFC from Tempe.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-11-02 02:58:50 and read 14471 times.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 22):

I certainly would like to see US Airways get those birds...

ONE: They most certainly could use them for European expansion. heck, if they wind up on a PHL-VIE route, you fellow Viennans who adored the Austria A330s would be able to see one or two of them still Big grin

TWO: US is a fellow Star member; why wouldn't they be on the list for possible Austria A330 takers?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: FlyMD
Posted 2006-11-02 03:00:44 and read 14454 times.

What type of aircraft will OS use for the re-introduction of ORD service if the A-330 fleet is no longer?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2006-11-02 03:03:42 and read 14417 times.

Now that US in good finacial shape, I just know they will get them.

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-11-02 03:14:26 and read 15285 times.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 14):
In that report, there are more details of the destinations that are to be stopped by the end of May 2007.

OS decided not to fly to Karachi....darn, besides TK, OS would be one of the only other European (actually only other European) carrier to fly to KHI...such a shame, as so many carriers such as AF, LH, KL, The old Swiss Air used to fly to KHI at one time.... Sad

At least we'll be seeing another 777 come to ORD though... bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-11-02 03:24:02 and read 15142 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
At least we'll be seeing another 777 come to ORD though...

Does that answer your question, FlyMD?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2006-11-02 03:47:50 and read 14947 times.

There is a fourth 777 coming in January 2007. AUA may want teh greater Cargo capacity.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2006-11-02 04:04:31 and read 14799 times.

I do see that these are PW4168 powered!
http://www.aua.com/at/eng/Austrian/Fleet/airbus+330/

As much as I'd like to see these go to NW, that won't happen (not while in BK, ok, maybe one or two leased to replace a DC-10 or 742).

Whom else is bidding on Pratt A332's? US airways does seem to be a logical choice. One problem with having 3 engine vendors is that the secondary market gets mucked up.  Sad

Sad for OS. But I doubt this will sit for a long time.

Quoting OS-A330 (Reply 19):
Help, my username will disappear!

Ouch!

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: FlyMD
Posted 2006-11-02 04:16:52 and read 14615 times.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
At least we'll be seeing another 777 come to ORD though...

It does!

Thanks all.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Walter747
Posted 2006-11-02 04:22:31 and read 14567 times.

Quoting Jano (Reply 11):
Only one of the A332s is leased, so they will most likely get a good deal by selling the other three frames - we shouldn't forget there's a high demand for used A330s.



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
Quoting PM (Reply 16):
They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

US Airways????



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 20):
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
US Airways????


Thats what I am hoping for. Would be a welcome addition

took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe they can open up an Asian route, I also think since they're a star alliance member they might get senoirty or a special deal.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2006-11-02 04:28:54 and read 14496 times.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 31):
I also think since they're a star alliance member they might get senoirty or a special deal.

I would imagine so. Hopefully US has made an offer.

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Aerokiwi
Posted 2006-11-02 04:31:12 and read 14495 times.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 15):
First casualty of the booming chinese market....especially for shanghai. sad

I believe Qantas pulled out after initial attemps in China and are now still losing money on the route after reintroducing it. China is not the be-all and end-all for airlines. No guarantees there.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 29):
Whom else is bidding on Pratt A332's? US airways does seem to be a logical choice. One problem with having 3 engine vendors is that the secondary market gets mucked up.

Don't forget TAM. They seem to be keen to expand as quickly as possible to prevent an unlikely reemergence of Varig.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Walter747
Posted 2006-11-02 04:33:56 and read 14436 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 32):
Hopefully US has made an offer.

yea, hopefully then they could cancel some of their orders from airbus if they wanted to.

Does any1 think US put an offer in fro them?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Jdwfloyd
Posted 2006-11-02 04:34:58 and read 14436 times.

Lets not forget that ILFC does business with US west. That may be another in for US.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Manny
Posted 2006-11-02 05:08:32 and read 14152 times.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I may be flying OS in late January on the YYZ-VIE route. I know this route is currently operated by the A332. Is there a chance it may be switched to a 767 by that time, or will it still most likely be an A332?

I am flying the same route in late Nov. Its on a 767.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: VORFMD
Posted 2006-11-02 05:08:41 and read 14200 times.

Not long time ago I wrote that the A332/A343 will leave the OS fleet faster than some would think, so now its official.

I can see an Order for a 5th T7 by mid or end 2007 "wink, wink"

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PM
Posted 2006-11-02 05:37:09 and read 13959 times.

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 33):
Don't forget TAM. They seem to be keen to expand as quickly as possible to prevent an unlikely reemergence of Varig.

And they already have some PW A330s.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2006-11-02 05:39:38 and read 13928 times.

Seems the strong feeling here is US Airways. Any actual odds they will end up with this birds in the end?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-11-02 05:45:03 and read 13897 times.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 39):
Any actual odds they will end up with this birds in the end?

I for one would like to think so... Think of what US would do with the 4 A332s...

PHX-LGW
PHL-Eastern European markets
PHL-HNL, although I highly doubt this one. I wonder if Asia would be within range with the A332, especially the ones AUA uses...

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Jdwfloyd
Posted 2006-11-02 05:55:44 and read 13846 times.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
PHX-LGW
PHL-Eastern European markets
PHL-HNL, although I highly doubt this one. I wonder if Asia would be within range with the A332, especially the ones AUA uses...

I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.
The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH.
The fourth would fly BWT PHX-PHL-SJU, replacing the 333 on the PHL-SJU route. This 332 would act as the spare for the system. Going PHL to SJU in the morning. Coming back to PHL in the early afternoon. It would be in PHL long enough to ensure it would not be needed and then head to PHX to back up their two European flights. Then coming back to PHL as a redeye.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2006-11-02 08:09:30 and read 13068 times.

The thought of that is amazing. I'm hoping this all works out, though its all conjecture at this point. Though I must ask, do you really see them using an A330 on a domestic route on a daily basis? That seems beyond major over kill for the PHL-PHX route.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-11-02 09:39:39 and read 12358 times.

Quoting VORFMD (Reply 37):
I can see an Order for a 5th T7 by mid or end 2007 "wink, wink"

In their 2005 annual report, so well before the latest events, you can see that they intended to get a fifth T7 from 2008. Lets wait and see.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Macc
Posted 2006-11-02 10:30:46 and read 12025 times.

according to orf.at they will stop also Phuket, Kathmandu, Colombo and Mauritius. They will cut Lauda Airs longhaul service.

Well done OS!

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Magyarorszag
Posted 2006-11-02 10:39:10 and read 11938 times.

Quoting Macc (Reply 44):
according to orf.at they will stop also Phuket, Kathmandu, Colombo and Mauritius. They will cut Lauda Airs longhaul service.

That's true. If you download OS 3Q report, every details are in there!
http://www.austrianairlines.co.at/eng/Investor/reports/Quater+reports/

Cheers.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Emirates777300
Posted 2006-11-02 10:59:29 and read 11758 times.

how many aircraft are they getting rid of?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2006-11-02 11:03:39 and read 11783 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
I can only think they might not be able to fill the larger A332? Or don't need it's range and the 767 comes out ahead in CASM because of it?

There is no way a B767 can beat an A330 in CASM. On the other hand, a B767 should always beat an A330 in RASM.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: MBJ2000
Posted 2006-11-02 11:06:02 and read 11704 times.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
I for one would like to think so... Think of what US would do with the 4 A332s...

PHX-LGW
PHL-Eastern European markets
PHL-HNL, although I highly doubt this one. I wonder if Asia would be within range with the A332, especially the ones AUA uses...

That would be great, I could then fly MUC - PHL - HNL with US next year...
 cloudnine 

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Cobra27
Posted 2006-11-02 12:03:15 and read 11326 times.

You can possibly get rid of A330, it is the most effiicient plane in the world. Last year over 70 were sold

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: StarGoldLHR
Posted 2006-11-02 12:57:21 and read 10867 times.

could bmi take them. they need a few

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Danny
Posted 2006-11-02 13:02:15 and read 10851 times.

Sounds like a drowning man clutching at straw. Will it save or harm him?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PM
Posted 2006-11-02 13:27:37 and read 10608 times.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 50):
could bmi take them. they need a few

You mean so they can open a few new routes in order to close them again ten months later?  Smile

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2006-11-02 13:28:11 and read 10624 times.

Can anyone at US West tell us if US has put in a bid? I know Parker probaly went crazy about the birds being disposed of.

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: LukasMako
Posted 2006-11-02 15:23:33 and read 9756 times.

Hi,

This is not a surprise and therefore I am only sad for the people who lose their jobs. I mean it is not a surprise that, an Airline which repaints and refits 2 of their long-haul airliners with new interiors just that they can sell them after not even a year, and an airline which operates A320 as well as 737NG (which they not even overtook from Lauda but also ordered from Boeing) and furthermore 5 types of longhaul planes when having a fleet of only 50 airplanes (Lauda+Austrian) altougether, is in financial troubles.

It is also interresting that Austrian keeps the ex-Lauda 767 which I were not even ordered on their demands and some of them are already quite old (10-15 years).

It is also interresting that Austrian has a 4. 777 on order. After canceling the Australian destinations, where are they going to fly to?

P.S. What is Lufthansa going to do after Austrian canceled the Australian destinations. I think they have an agreement that Austrian stays away from South Africa while Lufthansa stays away from Austrialia so LH codeshares the flights with AUA. Is LH going to start service to Sydney.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: LukasMako
Posted 2006-11-02 15:28:48 and read 9704 times.

And BTW:

This topic is about Austrian and its future and not about US getting some airplanes and etc.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: ZRH
Posted 2006-11-02 15:37:15 and read 9632 times.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 54):
Is LH going to start service to Sydney


This is highly unlikely. They have their Star Alliance partners SQ and TG which fly to Australia. They can transfer their passengers in SIN and BKK. In our days it is quite uneconomic to fly with own metal the whole way from Europe to Australia. You need too many frames which you can use much more economic when you turn them around in South East Asia. Therefore there are only three airlines left which make the whole route and do have their respective hubs either in Europe or Australia: BA, VS and QF. I don't think that we will have new airlines on this route until there is an aircraft which could make it non-stop with a reasonable payload (the 777-200LR can make it but not with much payload).

[Edited 2006-11-02 15:42:25]

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2006-11-02 16:05:52 and read 9386 times.

Will OS be the "next Swissair"? I hope not but I guess they are still too big, especially w/partners like LH just around the corner, is LH squeezing OS in order to end up w/all their business? Too many big hubs nearby VIE/OS territory. They might do well as a low-cost leisure carrier such as LAUDA. LAUDA seemed to do well on its leisure long-haul routes. They had an excellent product, nice fleet and well-known brand too bad they were absorbed. I predict OS will keep struggling but they do not have a bright future ahead. I rather fly on a comfortable A330 versus 763 not a good move from pax comfort perspective perhaps 763s are cheaper to operate.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Luvflng
Posted 2006-11-02 16:14:05 and read 9298 times.

For those interested, here is the detail of which 330's are leased and owned:

Austrian Owned
OE-LAO
OE-LAM
OE-LAN

ILFC Leased
OE-LAP

It seems that Austrian will be reduced to a regional carrier feeding LH as a part of Star with some long haul routes.

However, the economic conditions are most likely dictating such drastic moves. Austrian has tried to expand eastward and have been loosing money. May be this is a good thing to rethink the strategy and plot a new course for the future. I 'd rather see Austrian survive in any shape or form rather than disappear under the pressure of LCC's and big brother legacy carriers.

-luvflng

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Xfeed
Posted 2006-11-02 16:24:13 and read 9203 times.

I believe TAP wants more A332's due to the A350X delays. It's a good opportunity for them.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Walter747
Posted 2006-11-02 17:44:13 and read 8566 times.

Quoting Xfeed (Reply 59):
I believe TAP wants more A332's due to the A350X delays. It's a good opportunity for them.

what about US? TP's not the only one who's ordered the A350. They already have orders on they way and have a bigger long haul fleet.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Cricket
Posted 2006-11-02 18:18:51 and read 8296 times.

Why is everybody automatically assuming that US will the birds - I've got a funny feeling an Asian carrier will pay more for the birds. AI is desperately short of planes as are many SE Asian carriers. Anyway, while I'm sorry for the loss of jobs, what will the cut backs means for VIE-DEL and VIE-BOM. OS is a major carrier out of Europe and many people I know have plans to fly OS to Europe this winter from India?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Semobeila
Posted 2006-11-02 18:22:59 and read 8278 times.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 54):
I mean it is not a surprise that, an Airline which repaints and refits 2 of their long-haul airliners with new interiors just that they can sell them after not even a year

Austrian has refitted the interior of the 777 and are currently doing the same with the 767 - on the A330/340 the new C-class has not been introduced.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 54):
It is also interresting that Austrian has a 4. 777 on order. After canceling the Australian destinations, where are they going to fly to?

How about ORD? They are still going to open this route next spring.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 54):
It is also interresting that Austrian keeps the ex-Lauda 767 which I were not even ordered on their demands and some of them are already quite old (10-15 years).

The only reason i can see is that they will have no problems selling the A330 at a good price, whereas they would have troubles finding an airline interested in the ancient 767s.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 55):
This topic is about Austrian and its future and not about US getting some airplanes and etc.

I agree!

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 50):
could bmi take them. they need a few

haha, great joke!

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: MEACEDAR
Posted 2006-11-02 18:33:39 and read 8151 times.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

US Airways????

Saudi Airlines are looking at some A330s for temporary flights.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2006-11-02 19:12:06 and read 7864 times.

Quoting LukasMako (Reply 54):

It is also interresting that Austrian has a 4. 777 on order. After canceling the Australian destinations, where are they going to fly to?

The B777s will mostly operate on the remaining routes to Asia (which have been served by A340s and A330s).

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 62):
The only reason i can see is that they will have no problems selling the A330 at a good price, whereas they would have troubles finding an airline interested in the ancient 767s.

There would be many airlines interested in the B763s as well (which are not ancient at all), but OS most likely doesn't need the A332s capabilities any more (range and payload) for routes to India and the US East Coast. And of course the A332s can be sold at a higher price.


PH

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: Mk777
Posted 2006-11-02 20:06:24 and read 7471 times.

I know OS is going to use the B763ER on their IAD-VIE this winter. I was looking for flights around January and the equipment listed was a 767. I am assuming though that by summer of 2007, they will use the B772 to IAD.



I guess the cool A332 with more leg space will be a thing of the past till the B777 flies in.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2006-11-02 20:06:56 and read 7477 times.

I don't see US going for these A330's when that still have outstanding orders from Airbus for brand new A330's. I also don't think it's in their best interest to be expanding that fast.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2006-11-02 21:14:43 and read 7097 times.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 66):
I don't see US going for these A330's when that still have outstanding orders from Airbus for brand new A330's. I also don't think it's in their best interest to be expanding that fast.

That may be true, but we're talking years down the line compared to now. They want Athens, a 332 would be amazing for it, as well as other expansion. It would shock me of US doesn't at least make an attempt for them. Maybe even split then 2/2 with another Airline, but I think US needs to make a stab at it.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2006-11-02 23:51:14 and read 6843 times.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 67):
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 66):
I don't see US going for these A330's when that still have outstanding orders from Airbus for brand new A330's. I also don't think it's in their best interest to be expanding that fast.

That may be true, but we're talking years down the line compared to now. They want Athens, a 332 would be amazing for it, as well as other expansion. It would shock me of US doesn't at least make an attempt for them. Maybe even split then 2/2 with another Airline, but I think US needs to make a stab at it.

I think US should make a stab at it as well. Taking 4 A330s is not that big of an expansion. US is trying to start some more European routes from PHL and the current aircraft don't quite have the range to do them. Aren't they thinking of flying to Russian or other Eastern European Markets, or am I just imagining that I saw it somewhere?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2006-11-03 09:33:30 and read 6605 times.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 63):
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

US Airways????

Saudi Airlines are looking at some A330s for temporary flights.

M E X I C A N A !

MX, being mostly an Airbus operator, was forced to lease ancient 767s, partly because no A330s were left in the market. With the addition of these aircrafts, MX would be able to start the expected services to Asia and South America, even Europe.

Fyano

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Walter747
Posted 2006-11-03 13:15:36 and read 6464 times.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 69):
M E X I C A N A !

I don't think OZ will give them to MX because of their leaving star alliance.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Psimpson
Posted 2006-11-03 13:41:53 and read 6440 times.

Sorry to hear that OS will be disposing of their A330s as they are nice aircrafts.

I do hope OS will repaint more of its B767s into its own livery from the Star Alliance Livery as there are only 2 B767s in full OS livery.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: Columba
Posted 2006-11-03 14:00:28 and read 6410 times.

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 62):
The only reason i can see is that they will have no problems selling the A330 at a good price, whereas they would have troubles finding an airline interested in the ancient 767s.

Well this is the statement from AUS about this:

Quote:

Ein weiteres Motiv diesen Schritt jetzt zu setzen ist, dass am Flugzeugmarkt aufgrund der Lieferverzögerungen für den Airbus A380, eine erhöhte Nachfrage für Langstreckenflugzeuge besteht und wir Airbus A330 Flugzeuge jetzt zu besseren Konditionen abgeben werden können.

http://www.aua.com/ch/deu/austrian/n...1BAD5-DF3A-40D7-8B9A-B89C28E7BFD0}

"Because of the delay for the A380 there is a high demand of long haul aircraft and we are able to give the A330 away for better conditions."

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: JAL
Posted 2006-11-03 16:05:24 and read 6279 times.

It looks like another setback for Airbus with Austrian going with Boeing for their long-haul fleet.

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Dellatorre
Posted 2006-11-03 16:31:48 and read 6225 times.

I'd like to understand how are they planing to fill their 777s if they couldn't do the same with the 330s?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A3
Username: Kelebek
Posted 2006-11-03 17:53:39 and read 6138 times.

Quoting JAL (Reply 73):
It looks like another setback for Airbus with Austrian going with Boeing for their long-haul fleet.

as far as i am well informed, they want to harmonise their fleet.
Didn't the mix took its begin with the OS-LaudaAir-merger?

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 57):
Will OS be the "next Swissair"? I

in Austria there is a big lobby who wants to keep OS like it is and avoid a merger with LH. By the way - I think the new OS-CEO Ötsch does quite good -we'll see.

[Edited 2006-11-03 17:55:04]

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: LukasMako
Posted 2006-11-03 19:16:47 and read 6042 times.

Quote:
Austrian has refitted the interior of the 777 and are currently doing the same with the 767 - on the A330/340 the new C-class has not been introduced.

Aha, ok. I know that their A340-300 and A330s are still haveing the orginal interiror but I thought they refitted the A340-200 interriors or at least somehow renewed them when they repainted them ...

Quote:
How about ORD? They are still going to open this route next spring.

I think a 777 will be too big for that route. In the last time OS more often used the 767 on the JFK route rather than the A330 which was orginally used. Wasn't that because of lower payload?

Topic: RE: Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s
Username: Strato
Posted 2006-11-06 21:36:00 and read 5628 times.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 74):
I'd like to understand how are they planing to fill their 777s if they couldn't do the same with the 330s?

It is not the question of filling seats, they just can't sell the Boeings, which were leased in by Niki Lauda before the merger of NG and OS. It seems that Niki Nationale was leasing them at very bad conditions which more or less prevent them from being disposed of before the contract expires.


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