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Topic: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-11-13 18:00:46 and read 11506 times.

Hi there - I recently returned from Europe and couldn't help but noticed how flight attendants, especially in Europe (i.e. AF/KLM), Asia (SQ, CX), or the Middle East (EK), were all literally good-looking. Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-13 18:08:43 and read 11491 times.

Depends which airline you go for. Asian carriers most definately go for looks but their education requirements are very strict but also many European Airlines have strict uniform and appearance standards (i.e jewellery, hair, facial hair, make up) which help make the crew look smarter. As a general rule, if the airline says send a full length photograph then they're probably focusing on looks.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Marcus380
Posted 2006-11-13 18:14:29 and read 11465 times.

HI,

I have several Friends FA at AF and they explained me that there is no official "physical and look" (forbidden by french law) selection but there is a test where you have to show how your capacity to help, move, etc...which is quite subjective. it is during this test test that there is a look selection. There is also a minimum/maximum height and weight criteria.

cheers
Marcus

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Semsem
Posted 2006-11-13 18:21:08 and read 11435 times.

I think that on US airlines physical appearance / personality is not a criteria like it is in other countries. However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Khobar
Posted 2006-11-13 18:26:56 and read 11427 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Hi there - I recently returned from Europe and couldn't help but noticed how flight attendants, especially in Europe (i.e. AF/KLM), Asia (SQ, CX), or the Middle East (EK), were all literally good-looking. Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

I had heard some people talk about the superiority of European FA's. Lucky for me I was able to sample a few flights last month and was quite amused to see that the generalization here on a.net really is a myth - the BA flights I was on: scruffy, overweight, old, miserable looking. That is purely just my perception of looks. As for their personality, what little we were exposed to, they seemed okay.

Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Pope
Posted 2006-11-13 18:30:17 and read 11402 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?

Not at DL.  Wink

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2006-11-13 18:34:02 and read 11388 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
Not at DL.

Or any US carrier for that matter, have you seen what flies for AA?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: FutureFO
Posted 2006-11-13 18:41:56 and read 11368 times.

It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks. However the EU and Asian carriers generally hire for looks. I have had several flights on non-US carriers and the FA's are much more attractive.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2006-11-13 19:10:45 and read 11277 times.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks.

Yes, that's the reason why I think a lot of the american flight attendants are not as good-looking as their asian/european counterparts. However, as Marcus380 pointed out, there are more subjective ways to select flight attendants without invoking a discrimination lawsuit, you know?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Bongo
Posted 2006-11-13 19:12:31 and read 11263 times.

I don´t think so...I´ve seen many non-good-looking FA´s in many airlines!

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Manny
Posted 2006-11-13 19:52:57 and read 11210 times.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Or any US carrier for that matter, have you seen what flies for AA?

Two exceptions to the rule are F9 & B6. Most of my F9 flights & B6 flights, the FA's are good looking, young and full of energy.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EasternSon
Posted 2006-11-13 20:13:29 and read 11157 times.

I recently found a photo of my mother's graduating class from the stewardess school - circa 1966.

I was astounded at what I saw. Every single one of them was gorgeous.

What a pleasure it must've been to fly on Eastern Airlines in the late 1960's!

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2006-11-13 20:14:13 and read 11157 times.

First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different, so even if the same standards were in place in all three places, you would still get more attractive flight attendants in certain parts of the world. However I do think that there is more bias than demographic differences alone.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.

I'm not so sure. I've never seen an overweight male flight attendant, but plenty of overweight females. It is also fairly easy to restrict overweight males from applying by not supplying oversized uniforms and keeping the largest pant size on the smaller end.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BAStew
Posted 2006-11-13 20:19:05 and read 11140 times.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
I had heard some people talk about the superiority of European FA's. Lucky for me I was able to sample a few flights last month and was quite amused to see that the generalization here on a.net really is a myth - the BA flights I was on: scruffy, overweight, old, miserable looking. That is purely just my perception of looks. As for their personality, what little we were exposed to, they seemed okay.

Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean

Shall we be forced to retire at 27 maybe?

A sad fact of life i'm afraid. If we are recruited at 25 and wish to stay for 20 years then why the hell shouldn't we?

Looking scruffy or miserable is another case.

But then again, scruffiness or being miserable is something completely seperate to 'looks'.

Let's face it, a 22 year old international catwalk model can look scruffy and miserable.

Got nothing to do with 'looks' at all.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: DesertJets
Posted 2006-11-13 20:23:06 and read 11126 times.

What I've noticed recently in looking at F/A appearance is that it is not that they are ugly (male or female) it is that the uniforms most of them have on the domestic carriers in the US are just bad. And there are some uniform combinations that just look awful (like the shorts and pantyhose combo some F/As like to wear). Very bland colors, poor fabrics, bad tailoring, etc. You give them a stylish, comfortable uniform most of the cabin crew would look much much better. I would gather that the crews wouldn't mind more stylish uniforms either, given that they wouldn't be prohibitively expensive for them to get and maintain.

I generally don't care if the flight attendant is a stunner or not. They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jwenting
Posted 2006-11-13 20:41:16 and read 11053 times.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks. However the EU and Asian carriers generally hire for looks.

Same in Europe, but there are easy ways around that.
Require a photo in the application and reject the bad looking ones on some other ground ("sorry, we don't think based on your profile that you'd fit in our team", "sorry, we have enough applicants at this time but we've saved your resume for the future", etc. etc.)/
During the interview (if the applicant makes it that far) looks can also be easily gauged and reasons made up to reject people who don't look good "enough".

It's the same with every restriction placed on job criteria.
Age discrimination is also against the law, but is just as easy to do and hide.
Just claim you're a "dynamic team" and then reject older people because you "don't think you'll fit into the team". Standard rejection clause in IT for anyone over 30 (as I've experienced a lot when I was out of a job a few years ago).

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
I generally don't care if the flight attendant is a stunner or not. They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.

Well said. Competence and customer centric attitude are far more important than good looks.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Futurecaptain
Posted 2006-11-13 20:56:41 and read 10997 times.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.

What?? Dang, nobody told me. I'm gonna have to stop carrying so much cash and flashing it at the flight attendants when I fly.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jetjack74
Posted 2006-11-13 21:22:21 and read 10940 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

I did recruitment in 1999 and 2000. We used to hold an open house in several cities around the country. I used to have criteria of what I used to look for.
1. Appearance: How a person looked in the clothing they picked out. If it looked conservative, professional and looked like someone took pride in their appearance. That's the first impression
2. Presentation: The way they present themselves.
3. Attentiveness: Are they paying attention, of which i'd find out duringthe quick one on one.
4. Disposition: Are they happy? Do they look hapy to be here?
5. Approachability: Would a customer feel comfortable asking this person for help?
6. Qualifications: What kind of experiance did they have and did they meet the minimum qualifications?

During the initial screening after the cattle call, I had a piece of paper with 10 words on it. If the candidate mentioned 2 of those words(in no order of importance), I would recommend them for the 1 on 1.
1. Teamwork
2. Safety
3. Awareness
4. Adaptable
5. Empathy
6. Approachability
7. Culture
8. Professionalism
9. Honest
10. Dependabilty
Looks, or any other physical entity, never entered into the equation. I turned down women and men who "looked" the part of a fight attendant, but just didn't get it. It was all about them and had nothing to say about helping or doing things for others or their fellow crewmembers. Some of the girls were drop-dead georgous, but I didn't listen to my penis. I picked candidates with substance over flash and charisma.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
give me a lap dance.

That would be interesting.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jammin
Posted 2006-11-13 21:24:04 and read 10930 times.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
You give them a stylish, comfortable uniform most of the cabin crew would look much much better.

True, true. I believe most people can become good looking also by simply smiling. Personality shines through a lot more than makeup does.  yes 

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Nzrich
Posted 2006-11-13 21:24:39 and read 10930 times.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different, so even if the same standards were in place in all three places, you would still get more attractive flight attendants in certain parts of the world. However I do think that there is more bias than demographic differences alone.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.
I'm not so sure. I've never seen an overweight male flight attendant, but plenty of overweight females. It is also fairly easy to restrict overweight males from applying by not supplying oversized uniforms and keeping the largest pant size on the smaller end.

Very interesting what you say about americans generally being more over weight.. This has nothing to do with looks in the end but personal lifestyle and the food thats eaten.. If i lived in America and had to eat the food there i too would put on a few kilos ...Unfortunately nearly every American restaurant i have been to give QUANTITY over QUALITY ..

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Morrirvolando
Posted 2006-11-13 21:35:44 and read 10893 times.

what is the general cut off age for new recruits?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Spacecadet
Posted 2006-11-13 23:08:18 and read 10764 times.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different

I actually agree with this - I don't think it's discrimination if what you're saying is actually true. (We are statistically more overweight than all Asian countries I know of.)

I just flew JAL to Japan a month or so ago. I didn't think their F/A's were anything other than average looking Japanese. The Japanese in general are in pretty good shape, and because the culture is basically homogeneous, there's not usually a huge amount of height variation. So it really is more a question of face, and that is highly subjective, but to me, most of the JAL F/A's I saw were no better or worse looking than an average Japanese. But they were better looking than most American F/A's simply because they tend to be younger (Japanese flight attendants don't stick around too long - it's cultural. It's thought of as a young person's job) and because the Japanese in general are less overweight than Americans.

So I doubt there's any more or less thought given to looks in other countries than there is in the US. I think to an extent, every hiring manager subconsciously considers looks even if he/she tries to avoid it for legal or other reasons. But I think most American F/A's look basically like average Americans, just as most Asian F/A's look basically like average Asians.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Pope
Posted 2006-11-13 23:19:56 and read 10725 times.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 13):
Shall we be forced to retire at 27 maybe?

OK. Maybe you can stay until 35 as long as you don't have kids.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks.

I'm not aware of any law that says you can't discriminate based upon looks. I know that sex, race, religion, age, and national origin are protected classes but to the best of my knowledge looks aren't. Can anyone point me to some law that says otherwise?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Swissy
Posted 2006-11-14 00:13:35 and read 10621 times.

Well beauty is "relative".........., agree the uniforms are just blaaaa for the most part so they do not help at all and age does not count as I have seen some extremely h... 40's/50's year old grrrr but yes there are airlines were "looks" are on top of the list, ever seen these "top models" w/o make up?? whuuuuu

Cheers,

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: QXatFAT
Posted 2006-11-14 00:45:09 and read 10575 times.

Well I know that this probably means nothing but, when I applied for QX, I origionaly was trying to get a ticket counter job and working at the gate. I got the job and when I was in SEA getting ready for training, the ladie that was working with me here in FAT to interview me said she would rather have me work as an FA because she said I looked really nice and would have the appeal to be one. I declined naturally because of wanting to be home in California and not hopping around.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: TG992
Posted 2006-11-14 01:35:32 and read 10514 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

Yes - because I got hired  Silly

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BA
Posted 2006-11-14 02:02:48 and read 10866 times.

Not only have I noticed how flight attendants on airlines from Europe and the Middle East tend to be very young, but especially in the case of the Middle East, they tend to be exclusively female.

Here's what I mean, take a look at MEA's flight attendants:




For males, I've only seen them being pursers, but all flight attendants on MEA are female, and not only that, they're in their early 20's. I guess they don't hire male FAs at all.

Royal Jordanian is a similar case as well.

In the case of Europe, I think BA is a slight exception. I've had a lot of older F/As on my BA flights, both on transatlantic flights and on European flights.

KLM on the otherhand is a completely different matter, though it's been 6 years since I last flew KLM.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2006-11-14 02:16:01 and read 10742 times.

You sure don't have to be good-looking anymore at U.S. carriers, not since 1969 or so. Just look at what's flying around these days. Sometimes I think AA goes out of its way to hire ugly people. I'm embarrassed by a lot of my co-workers, in terms of their looks and their poor work ethic as well.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-11-14 02:42:49 and read 10678 times.

I've seen gorgeous FA's on every airline I've ever been on and unattractive FA's. That includes the asian carriers although they were all very well groomed there were some with (imho) plain features and horsey teeth. The uniform you are given to work with makes a huge difference. I remember when ACA turned into Independence and all of a sudden we had cute uniforms. FA's who used to look like they'd rolled out of bed all of a sudden were going to great lengths to look good and they were smiling which made a huge difference.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Tonytifao
Posted 2006-11-14 04:03:55 and read 10535 times.

GOL has some nice looking ones  Smile

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jetdeltamsy
Posted 2006-11-14 05:11:20 and read 10434 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
I recently returned from Europe and couldn't help but noticed how flight attendants, especially in Europe (i.e. AF/KLM), Asia (SQ, CX), or the Middle East (EK), were all literally good-looking.

You've got to remember that almost everyone is good looking to someone. The people who recruit flight attendants are generally flight attendants in management positions.

Within the U.S., much of the weight restrictions are gone. I know a bad completion can cause you some trouble. Make-up on women is required at most airlines.

Generally speaking you have to be well groomed, well spoken and responsible. The rest is very subjective and difficult to evaluate.

There are many, very unattractive (to me) flight attendants out there.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: AirWillie6475
Posted 2006-11-14 05:29:39 and read 10401 times.

The standards in the U.S are very low(thanks to equal employment laws) because being an FA is not as glamorous as it used to be so naturally ladies are not going for it. It also has to do with the fact that being an FA in the U.S is a career job, other parts of the world it can be considered a part time thing so mostly they'll be 20-30 year olds. Have you ever waited at the international arrivals, if you notice the European and Asian crews, it's like they stepped out of a beauty magazine, especially the Asian FAs, it's like they have this aura behind them. Compare that to a United crew after 10 hour flight. However, all hope is not lost in the U.S, if you want to see good looking FAs try the regional airlines(Skywest), they're all young and more enthusiastic about their job.

[Edited 2006-11-14 05:32:11]

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2006-11-14 05:32:43 and read 10386 times.

It's always advantageous when looking for a high profile, public-face-of-the-company job to be, as you put it, good looking.

If two people, equally qualified and equally suited, are applying for a single role, the prettier or more handsome one will get the benefit of the doubt if the role is in the public eye.

I think there is an issue when the less qualified or less suited gets the role contingent on their looks. The customer ends up losing. Mind you, in a few countries, people know they not need bother applying if they're anything less than knock-outs.

Call me old fashioned, but I always like a bit of eye candy when I fly (I tend to not fly American airlines).

MH

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Higherflyer
Posted 2006-11-14 05:32:52 and read 10420 times.

My sister is a flight attendant for one of the US legacy carriers. In the late 80's, she and her friends had to meet strict weight limits in order to keep their jobs. The airlines were sued and had to drop that and other requirements they used to maintain image.

I've flown all over the world, as a passenger and as crew (flight deck- we can be as ugly as we want!). There are good looking cabin crews anywhere you go. Some airlines are still allowed to recruit based on looks and it shows. Some airlines require crews to quit/retire at a rather young age. The US airlines get knocked for the cabin crew's looks. With the laws in the US the way they are, that isn't going to change anytime soon!

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: ReidYYZ
Posted 2006-11-14 06:42:39 and read 10306 times.

One thing's for sure, the guy doing the hiring at Jetsgo, was not gay. I do indeed miss the thigh length fake leather jackets and the Oh-so-green mini skirts.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BCAL
Posted 2006-11-14 09:48:08 and read 10159 times.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean.

So you are saying that for FAs, retirement must be compulsory at 30 when they are 'old' and less full of life? Well I would much, much rather have an old Nanny McPhee who performs her job diligently than some bimbo whose looks and personality cover up her inadequacy for the job.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

In the UK it would be illegal to refuse someone a vacant job on the grounds that he/she has below or average looks, so the employer would obviously have to cite a different reason. Some airlines have different criteria, but I know that VS places more emphasis in selecting recruits on looks, youth and personality rather than their suitability for the job and their experience.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Swissy
Posted 2006-11-14 13:33:42 and read 10038 times.

Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 34):
One thing's for sure, the guy doing the hiring at Jetsgo, was not gay. I do indeed miss the thigh length fake leather jackets and the Oh-so-green mini skirts.

Could not agree more, specially waiting at Timis in T3 (very slow service) made my waiting extremely easy..........

Cheers,

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BAStew
Posted 2006-11-14 14:52:04 and read 9967 times.

Why do you think it is that some airlines always have a constant recruitment drive for young people?

Because their turnover is so high and they can't keep people (poor pay, human resource management, conditions) they always have to recruit maybe?

Of course this can be advantageous to the airlines also. Few pension contributions, few climb up the payscale.

SQ has one of the highest turnover in cabin crew in the industry. The majority of the SIN based BA girls are ex SQ. The stories they tell of the onboard bullying (yes bullying) and strictly (almost military like) standards enforced upon them are amazing. They say few of the crew actually enjoy the job, but by local standards it pays ok and looks good on the CV. From what they say, few crew hang around SQ for more than a couple years. So they constantly recruit new, young crew (predominantly girls) from the ASEAN countries.

We were stood behind a SQ crew at the immigration desks in EWR the other week. They had just operated the non-stop A345 flight from SIN. We struck up a conversation with a couple of then. 18:45 was their flight time! What amazed me though, is that after operating their long, long 18:50 flight back to SIN, they were to receive TWO days off at home before setting off again. The two girls I was speaking to were then flying westerly to LHR. How long could you live that sort of life (factoring in all the jetlag) before 'burn out'.

We felt a little guilty given that we have a minimum of three days off at home after our short hop home to London from EWR.

[Edited 2006-11-14 14:55:42]

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Wunala
Posted 2006-11-14 14:57:58 and read 9934 times.

I would much rather have a f/a who loved their job, than one who though was too pretty to do what they were paid to do.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Kelebek
Posted 2006-11-14 15:00:30 and read 9928 times.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 11):
I recently found a photo of my mother's graduating class from the stewardess school - circa 1966.

I was astounded at what I saw. Every single one of them was gorgeous.

I guess it was more important some years ago..
Nowadays it's not a real criteria anymore (what I think to be a good developement).
Actually I can just speak for OS, there F/As had to have at least A-levels to work for them. (and be stuck in those terrible all-over-red uniforms :-P)
But they droped this criteria some years ago.
So in Austria the glorious job of being a F/A really lost it's state.
Now it's more like being a waiter in a restaurant (also cuz u don't get paid so well any more). At least that's what people say when somebody mentiones "I become a F/A" - "Really, why you don't serve in a restaurant around the corner?" .. but well, they don't really think about the assistance and responsibility in emergencies etc. well..

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2006-11-14 15:14:09 and read 9914 times.

F/A's are on board for safety first and customer service second, not for sexual opportunites. There is no doubt that until the late 1980's high levels of beauty and appearance, including a certain sexual appeal (especially of female f/a's) were a higher priority and part of the advertising of most airlines especially those based in Asia.
I would also suggest that airlines do take appearance in account in selecting f/a's, but it also has to be balanced with other more important qualifications. To me, airlines will look for good grooming, including use of makeup, hair care, good choices in clothing for their body and so on, generally people who know how to and do present themselves well. That is important to the image of any customer business. Perhaps more important to an airline is a good work habits history, ability to speak another langage and most important, the ability to deal with a crises. What good is the appearance of an f/a if they flake out if there is turbulance, a medical emergency, in their dealings with abusive passangers.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: NWOrientDC10
Posted 2006-11-14 16:33:51 and read 9826 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?

If not you should be  devil 

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
I think that on US airlines physical appearance / personality is not a criteria like it is in other countries.



Quoting EasternSon (Reply 11):
I recently found a photo of my mother's graduating class from the stewardess school - circa 1966.

I was astounded at what I saw. Every single one of them was gorgeous.

What a pleasure it must've been to fly on Eastern Airlines in the late 1960's!

As a UM pax from the mid 1970's to the early 1980's and as a young adult in the mid to late 1980's, I noticed the stewardesses were quite pretty. The stewards were handsome.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different, so even if the same standards were in place in all three places, you would still get more attractive flight attendants in certain parts of the world. However I do think that there is more bias than demographic differences alone.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are attractive ppl everywhere. You'll see them if you look hard enough.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
I generally don't care if the flight attendant is a stunner or not.

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Quoting Jwenting (Reply 15):
Competence and customer centric attitude are far more important than good looks.

agreed

Quoting Jammin (Reply 18):
Personality shines through a lot more than makeup does.

agreed

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 27):
Sometimes I think AA goes out of its way to hire ugly people.

I flew on AA once. It was a red eye flight so I really didn't notice  biggrin 

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 32):
Call me old fashioned, but I always like a bit of eye candy when I fly (I tend to not fly American airlines).

Eye candy is nice but I'd rather have a "plain" looking fa who's friendly than a foxy lady who's "too sexy for her shirt". Know what I mean.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
I had heard some people talk about the superiority of European FA's. Lucky for me I was able to sample a few flights last month and was quite amused to see that the generalization here on a.net really is a myth - the BA flights I was on: scruffy, overweight, old, miserable looking. That is purely just my perception of looks. As for their personality, what little we were exposed to, they seemed okay.

Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean.

Just out of curiosity who would you have as a f/a?:

Florence Henderson  yes 

or

Britney Spears  no 

Quoting Wunala (Reply 38):
I would much rather have a f/a who loved their job, than one who though was too pretty to do what they were paid to do.

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Good Day  Smile

Russell

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Naritaflyer
Posted 2006-11-14 16:59:09 and read 9774 times.

Looks is definitely key in Japan and other airlines around the region. You can teach safety procedures to anyone but you can't "teach" people to be good looking. Also in Asia the whole service mentality is based on hiring females. That's why you rarely see male flight attendents.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Comeflywithme
Posted 2006-11-14 17:04:15 and read 9745 times.

Last SAS flight I flew on most of the FA's looked as if they should be collecting their pension.

Probably were stunners back in the seventies.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Sunking737
Posted 2006-11-14 17:22:19 and read 9546 times.

I did not read all the replys, but have you seen some of the F/A's flying today...
GRANDMA'S. Get some younger girls, my god. I even told my ex-boss at another airline that they needed to change the company name to ELDERY AIRWAYS, because we had so many old ladies flying. She just laughed........

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Supa7E7
Posted 2006-11-14 17:22:36 and read 9554 times.

It is completely legal in the USA to discriminate against ugly people. Saying you are 4/10 on the hotness scale can probably qualify as a professional score, and could get you fired.

Age discrimination, religious discrimination are illegal. Ugly discrimination or idiot discrimination, are completely OK.

America has plenty of beautiful people. The problem is, FA is not the best job in America, unlike, say, Thailand. So the recruiting power of the industry is a bit limited.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2006-11-14 17:45:30 and read 9259 times.

Since when does a person's looks have anything to do with their capability to do their job? Sure, there is a perception value. But really... are beautiful people more able to evacuate a plane than an "ugly" one? People are so shallow and hung up on the visual aspect of everything in this country. What difference will it make when that gorgeous blonde can't open her door and you fry to a crisp? She might be cute, but can she operate the saftey equipment? Get your priorities right and you might live longer.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: SkyexRamper
Posted 2006-11-14 17:49:50 and read 9217 times.

In the USA, that's is a BIG no.  Wink  Big grin

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: SkyHigh777
Posted 2006-11-14 18:01:35 and read 9075 times.

wow has anyone flown on any of the South American airlines? They have to be one of the hottest FA's around, particularly LAN and TAM...give it a try you won't be disappointed!

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2006-11-14 18:09:15 and read 8979 times.

In Switzerland the employer doesn't have to tell the reason for not hiring someone. You just invite someone for an interview or whatever and then send a letter : We are sorry, you didn't match the criterias we were looking for. End of storry. That's why I'm wondering why isn't LX hiring way more attractive FA's ?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: DesertJets
Posted 2006-11-14 18:29:31 and read 8755 times.

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 49):
That's why I'm wondering why isn't LX hiring way more attractive FA's ?

I think several people hit the nail on the head. At least in the Western world being a flight attendant is no longer the glamorous job it once was 20-30+ years ago. And as the opportunities for women in the workplace have expanded, "attractive", well-educated women have ample (and better) opportunities elsewhere. In other parts of the world this is not true, yet.

Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 42):
You can teach safety procedures to anyone but you can't "teach" people to be good looking.

I would beg to differ. You can teach somebody how to groom, how to dress, how to do their makeup so they look more presentable. Though what you cannot teach is how to be warm and friendly as a person in a customer service position. You can be a perfect 10, but immediately piss people off with a grating personality or a lack of people skills.


And I will reiterate my earlier point... the fight attendant is not there to give you a lap dance, nor are they in-flight entertainment (visual eye candy). I want them to be competent at their job, I want them to be friendly and approachable (willing and able to strike up a conversation if need be). Those things make or break the experience.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-14 18:33:10 and read 8665 times.

Has anyone ever seen the requirements for working at Kingfisher Airlines. The job is called 'Flying Model', I guess we know what they're looking for.

Personally, I think you just people who are well groomed, not just stunners, but people who will put in an effort (i.e good makeup, hair, uniform worn properly). Take AF as an example, some of their crews are stunning but others do just make the effort to look smart.

Good uniforms though are a big help, European and Asian airlines tend to have the uniforms fitted for each person and get some decent designers (ignoring the NZ ones)

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Supa7E7
Posted 2006-11-14 18:54:09 and read 8614 times.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 50):
And as the opportunities for women in the workplace have expanded, "attractive", well-educated women have ample (and better) opportunities elsewhere.

True that. In rich Western countries, women have a lot of options.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 40):
F/A's are on board for safety first and customer service second, not for sexual opportunites. There is no doubt that until the late 1980's high levels of beauty and appearance, including a certain sexual appeal (especially of female f/a's) were a higher priority and part of the advertising of most airlines especially those based in Asia.

Customer service second? I have to say American service ethos hits a new low with that. Even the French would never say that. "Primarily for your safety" is a motto that is designed to combat the Service image. FAs would prefer their job is not in the service category. But it is! Sorry!

As for sexy advertising ending in the 1980s... again... only in America...

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Comeflywithme
Posted 2006-11-14 20:00:34 and read 8527 times.

Joking aside I can understand why airlines use the more senior of age FA's.

They see it as an advantage to re-employ the older types after they have had their children and brought them up as they are more reliable and tend to have a better attendance record.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: SkyHigh777
Posted 2006-11-14 20:03:55 and read 8522 times.

I'm not asking for all the flight attendants on every airline to be models, but I do think that they should be well groomed and presentable whenever they stop on, and off, that airplane. Too many times I have seen Delta and AA flight attendants stepping onto an international flight looking like they just rolled out of bed. I don't even care if the FA is in her mid 50's, as long as she is competent and looks presentable as a representation of that airline. Just as with any other job, you have to look professional because you are a representation of the company you work for.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: SkyHigh777
Posted 2006-11-14 20:04:47 and read 8521 times.

Double post...don't know how that happened

[Edited 2006-11-14 20:07:01]

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-14 20:12:19 and read 8503 times.

I am of average looks, not there for eye candy (unless you feel what I look like is eye candy), but can guaranteed make sure your flight is comfortable, customer service at what you expect and get you there safely.

What more do you really expect?

As for the "need" to be good looking, you could be the most handsome/beautiful person out there and have the personality of a dead jelly mold or a doorknob. Looks do not equate to anything.

With a public customer service job, a personality is required, not looks. To some (read: customers) looks are ever so important. Sad testament.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-14 20:18:35 and read 8491 times.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 52):
As for sexy advertising ending in the 1980s... again... only in America...

So what about the Caledonian Girl's adverts and all the Singapore Girls adverts?

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Bisbee
Posted 2006-11-14 20:24:03 and read 8482 times.

Well you be the judge, I recently was on a flight that had a flight attendant that looked like Mr. Drysdales assistant Jane on the Beverly Hillbillies, if you think she is hot, then I rest my case.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: FCAFLYBOY
Posted 2006-11-14 20:34:56 and read 8473 times.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Or any US carrier for that matter, have you seen what flies for AA

I think CO takes the biscuit there - the flights I've been on have been like an ad for a retirement home. Though, to be fair, the service was fantastic.
Guess it's down to what you take more seriously, eye candy - or professionalism (not to say you can't have both, as I think VS are generally a good example of that).

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2006-11-14 22:23:25 and read 8390 times.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):

I agree most of our senior FA's are not beauty queens but the new hires, DL Connex and the former Song F/A's werent that bad looking.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Aloha73G
Posted 2006-11-14 22:27:34 and read 8379 times.

Based on what I observed at Hawaiian during my training I would have to say that Hawaiian does not hire based on looks....they hire people with great personalities who take pride in their appearance. Now, most of the people are good looking, a few aren't perfect 10s, but everyone has the right attitude and takes pride in how they look.

I would venture a guess that airlines have received few if any complaints because of ugly crew members, but have received TONS of complaints because of rude crewmembers. Common sense dictates that they should hire people with good attitudes, not nice faces.....if they have a nice face, its a plus, but in no way is it required.

-Aloha!

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-14 22:43:34 and read 8344 times.

It is the same with any other customer service job.

The bank teller did her job well, but GOOD GOD was she butt ugly. I'll never bank there again. (Based on any one particular branch) Bank of XXX must only hire ugly people. Where are the pretty bank tellers?

The hairdresser did a great job, but she wasn't all that, I'll change haircutters. Where are the beautiful ones?

The car mechanic did an great job fixing my truck, but he hit every branch on his way down the ugly tree. WHEW!!! Where are the hot mechanics?

Sound ridiculous? It should.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2006-11-14 23:00:13 and read 8304 times.

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 41):
Eye candy is nice but I'd rather have a "plain" looking fa who's friendly than a foxy lady who's "too sexy for her shirt". Know what I mean.

Please refer back to the previous para of my post where I said "I think there is an issue when the less qualified or less suited gets the role contingent on their looks."

BTW, where did I say the eye candy had to be female?

Regards
MH

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-14 23:31:56 and read 8278 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 63):
BTW, where did I say the eye candy had to be female?



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 56):
I am of average looks, not there for eye candy (unless you feel what I look like is eye candy),

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2006-11-15 01:33:09 and read 8193 times.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 64):
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 63):
BTW, where did I say the eye candy had to be female?

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 56):
I am of average looks, not there for eye candy (unless you feel what I look like is eye candy),

LOL, are you coming on to me?

Flattered!
MH

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Spacecadet
Posted 2006-11-15 20:31:26 and read 8000 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 40):
F/A's are on board for safety first and customer service second,

That's a very American attitude. Remember that approximately 95% of the population of the world lives somewhere else, and many of those people have exactly the opposite view of what an F/A's role should be (and is).

Quoting Wunala (Reply 38):
I would much rather have a f/a who loved their job, than one who though was too pretty to do what they were paid to do.

Why can't you have both? Isn't it a little offensive to suggest that pretty people must be too dumb or arrogant to do their jobs?

Someone else earlier in the thread also asked whether there actually were laws in the US (or elsewhere) regarding hiring based on looks. I used to work in the film industry, and I can tell you that industry would be out of business if such laws existed!

It can be kind of a grey area because the job has to be defined such that looks are an integral part - e.g. you can use looks as a criteria when hiring an actor, but not when hiring a doctor. You could argue that if you consider the F/A profession to be a customer service profession, that looks definitely play a part in customer satisfaction. On the other hand, you could argue that the F/A profession is a public safety profession and therefore looks don't matter. It would likely have to be settled in court, and to my knowledge it has not been. (The weight restriction issue is something different - I'm talking about using entirely subjective criteria, which is not illegal in all cases.)

There is no law that even *specifically* mentions looks as a hiring criteria. There are a collection of laws that together are designed to promote overall fairness, in that they prohibit personnel actions based on criteria that do not affect overall job performance. So, there just has to be an argument made that looks are part of the job. It's an argument that needs to be made on a case by case basis, profession by profession. But it's certainly not true that anti-discrimination laws prohibit using looks as a criteria - they don't.

(btw, the most famous recent example of this is probably the Hooters lawsuit, in which a group of men sued to be allowed to be waiters, and the government initiated an "investigation" into their hiring practices. Well, the lawsuit was settled without requiring Hooters to hire any male waiters, and the government dropped its case completely. Hooters managed to defend their right to use both sex and looks as a hiring criteria, based on that being the "hook" that their business is built on.)

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jetjack74
Posted 2006-11-15 20:50:44 and read 7977 times.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 66):
That's a very American attitude. Remember that approximately 95% of the population of the world lives somewhere else, and many of those people have exactly the opposite view of what an F/A's role should be (and is).

That's why I believe that safety is less important than image at these lavish foreign carriers.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 66):
Why can't you have both? Isn't it a little offensive to suggest that pretty people must be too dumb or arrogant to do their jobs?

Personally, I find that many of our senior flight attendants have miserable attitudes with the what is going on here at NW. I have personally witness very unprofessional, rude and crass behavior on the part of some of our senior FA's. They're not all like that, some are just as pleasant as they were when they first started, but i've witnessed some really crabby ones. So it's not always the young pretty ones that are so self-absorbed, it can be any of them, old or young. The new hires(when we had them), for the most part were great, becuase they were so energetic and happy to be there. When we start hiring in DEC, i'm looking forward to seeing that again.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 66):
Hooters managed to defend their right to use both sex and looks as a hiring criteria, based on that being the "hook" that their business is built on.)

They get around the airline factor of it, by leasing Pace Airlines flight attendants to act as the FA's.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2006-11-15 23:07:03 and read 7921 times.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 66):
Remember that approximately 95% of the population of the world lives somewhere else, and many of those people have exactly the opposite view of what an F/A's role should be (and is).

Until they or someone they love has a heart attack or something goes wrong ie AF in YYZ.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-15 23:38:39 and read 7900 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):


Flattered!
MH

Anytime, MH!!! Big grin

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 66):
That's a very American attitude. Remember that approximately 95% of the population of the world lives somewhere else, and many of those people have exactly the opposite view of what an F/A's role should be (and is).

That is exactly why flight attendants are onboard. Safety is always first and foremost. Being an American or not. Service is secondary. Always will be.

When you are hired for the job, any airline, they stress safety, safety, safety. Then customer service.

That is like saying a firefighters primary role is washing their trucks, cooking meals for each other and p.r. for their neighbourhoods.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-15 23:41:20 and read 7898 times.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 67):
That's why I believe that safety is less important than image at these lavish foreign carriers.

On what basis? Just because an airline crew have obviously made an effort to look doesn't mean that they don't put safety first. And think about, some of the safest airlines in the world, Virgin Atlantic, Qantas, Air Canada, Aer Lingus, I believe these are fall foreign carriers

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-15 23:41:36 and read 7900 times.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 67):
That's why I believe that safety is less important than image at these lavish foreign carriers.

Well said!!! Especially when used in context to what Spacecadet wrote in his first paragraph in post 66.

[Edited 2006-11-15 23:44:46]

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2006-11-16 04:50:08 and read 7819 times.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 67):
That's why I believe that safety is less important than image at these lavish foreign carriers.

On this note, I believe it is very important to have a ratio of male cabin crew. One flight, I was knocked near unconscious on take-off by a brief case falling from an over-full overhead locker.

The male cabin attendant facing me in the jump-seat ten rows forward was out of his seat in a flash, checking on my health and well-being then securing the overhead locker and its contents; all during the steepest and most turbulent part of take-off over Jamaica Bay from JFK.

My point is, I couldn't imagine a Singapore Girl performing this safety measure. Hats off to North West and other equal opportunity airlines.

Regards
MH

BTW, can't remember if he was good-looking.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jetjack74
Posted 2006-11-16 05:06:23 and read 7822 times.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 70):
On what basis? Just because an airline crew have obviously made an effort to look doesn't mean that they don't put safety first

Trust me my friend, i've flown on alot of airlines, and as flight attendant, I watch these crews like a hawk. I can tell you, while i'm very impressed by their excellent service, i'm not very impressed with their lack assertiveness when dealing with certain situations. I'm not bashing these airlines, but just sharing my opinion on what i've observed form numerous flights in this region.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 70):
And think about, some of the safest airlines in the world, Virgin Atlantic, Qantas, Air Canada, Aer Lingus, I believe these are fall foreign carriers

I'm not referring to those carriers, i'm talking more about certain carriers in the Pacific Rim, Latin America, and Africa. Don't confuse impeccable service with impeccable safety. Remember, in most foreign nations where women are treated as subserviant, they're taught that the customer is always right, and some of these girls at SQ, CX, MH could be prone to compromise safety in order to satisfy the customer. Sorry to disapoint you, but it does happen. Let's just put it this way, I don't think I would want to be on an SQ flight in an emergency.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-16 18:25:36 and read 7806 times.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 73):
I don't think I would want to be on an SQ flight in an emergency

I would suggest that you look up what happened to the cabin crew on Singapore flight 006 then get back to me

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BA787
Posted 2006-11-16 18:32:56 and read 7801 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Europe

You havent seen some of the BaCon and BY ones then lol.


I think its unfair to discriminate that way though, whether theyre old as a goat or ugly as bulldog, they still should be allowed to be FA's.

Must say its nicer to have the pretty ones but alas MAN isn't really that special

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Treg
Posted 2006-11-16 18:45:48 and read 7793 times.

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 43):
Last SAS flight I flew on most of the FA's looked as if they should be collecting their pension.

Don't you know the joke: What happens to the FAs, when they retire? They will be hired by SAS Big grin

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Jammin
Posted 2006-11-16 19:59:48 and read 7795 times.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 74):
I would suggest that you look up what happened to the cabin crew on Singapore flight 006 then get back to me

Hmmm, don't see what your point is there. Are you trying to support the SQ crew in a positive way? That incident with SQ 006 doesn't really promote the crew too well, I think...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_flight_006

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Texdravid
Posted 2006-11-16 20:18:22 and read 7792 times.

The only airline in the U.S. that has consistently good looking FA's is Southwest Airlines.

Beyond that, they are young, perky, and very nice and make a lot of jokes to calm people down and make the flight enjoyable.

I'd rather fly Southwest cross country than fly AA for a 1 hour hop with their old, ragged, uninterested clowns with bad attitudes.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Shinkai
Posted 2006-11-16 21:04:40 and read 7789 times.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
I think that on US airlines physical appearance / personality is not a criteria like it is in other countries.

it is against the law in the US to discriminate based on looks.. so if an airline turns anyone down without a good reason, the airline will be in trouble.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2006-11-17 03:48:57 and read 6932 times.

Quoting Jammin (Reply 77):
Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 74):
I would suggest that you look up what happened to the cabin crew on Singapore flight 006 then get back to me

Hmmm, don't see what your point is there. Are you trying to support the SQ crew in a positive way? That incident with SQ 006 doesn't really promote the crew too well, I think...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapo...t_006

I was only referring to the cabin crew, it was the only accident I could think of out of the airlines Jetjack74 mentioned

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: BEG2IAH
Posted 2006-11-17 04:18:31 and read 6920 times.

I flew on American Eagle the other day. A/C was Saab 340B, and F/A was "a person of size" or to be precise person of three average persons' sizes. I thought airlines did their best to save on fuel costs. Thank God there was no emergency or something. She would literally get stuck in that wing exit, and I'm not kidding! I don't understand why you would have an F/A who could barely move down the aisle - her butt hit my elbow every single time she passed by.

BEG2IAH

[Edited 2006-11-17 04:29:45]

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: JeffrySkY
Posted 2006-11-17 05:39:23 and read 6852 times.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 73):
Remember, in most foreign nations where women are treated as subserviant, they're taught that the customer is always right, and some of these girls at SQ, CX, MH could be prone to compromise safety in order to satisfy the customer.

I find this statement of yours presumptious, illogical and racist. It suggests to me that you have a stereotype of Asian FAs as "ditzy, weak" individuals who can't enforce regulations in the cabin. Recall the CX incident in which the passenger refused to stow her handbag for takeoff and was subsequently removed from the aircraft ... Safety rules/regulations are universal to every single airline, and compliance to these rules is subject to strict audit by external aviation regulatory bodies e.g. FAA , Asian carriers included, attractive FAs and all.

The major DIFFERENCE lies in HOW you balance the need for safety and customer service, and I guess you are just silently dismissing the fact that Asian airlines do this much better. E.g. if you want a passenger to stow his bag in the overhead locker, it can be done with a smile, an apology, an explanation and perhaps an offer to help if the bag is light enough. (most FAs even assist with heavier bags at their own risk). In most cases, the customer is satisfied by your conduct and you have done your duty in enforcing safety regulations. In a minority of cases, the FA has to insist on the passenger's compliance but it's never to the point of being overtly rude.

On the other hand, (the all-too familar scenario), an FA (be it a matronly or young or attractive or skanky one)barks in a curt tone that "you are not supposed to put your bag there!" Frankly even if I were initially willing to re-stow my luggage, i would have been very upset by the tone/demeanor of that FA.

The point is, STOP giving safety as an excuse for bad service. You don't have to be rude to put your point across, and many FAs just don't get that.

Topic: RE: Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?
Username: Ryanair!!!
Posted 2006-11-17 11:33:36 and read 6769 times.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 37):
We were stood behind a SQ crew at the immigration desks in EWR the other week. They had just operated the non-stop A345 flight from SIN. We struck up a conversation with a couple of then. 18:45 was their flight time! What amazed me though, is that after operating their long, long 18:50 flight back to SIN, they were to receive TWO days off at home before setting off again.

Which explains why while the route is prestigious to the airline, it is not very popular with the crew.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 80):
I was only referring to the cabin crew, it was the only accident I could think of out of the airlines Jetjack74 mentioned

While there were some crew who were allegedly out of the aircraft before the passengers, out of the four who died, one of them actually went back into the aircraft to drag passengers out before being engulfed by the fire.

Junior crew are always the first one to crack as with this case, it is no different. I have actually witnessed a stewardess praying during a turbulence in full view of the pax in my area. So at the end of the day, they are human...


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