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Topic: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2006-11-23 16:47:53 and read 2594 times.

Does anyone know why ORD was using 22L for landings on Tuesday afternoon (tis would have been around 4:00)? It's pretty unusual, and after we landed on 22L, I saw at least 3 other planes do it.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Airfinair
Posted 2006-11-23 17:17:52 and read 2568 times.

22L landings aren't that unusual, especially on Sundays for some reason. My office window is a fantastic place to watch 22L landings, and I'd say they use that runway 3-4 times a week, depending of course on winds and traffic volume. Sometimes its used for just one landing, which must be to relieve 22R.
Tuesday's winds were from the south IIRC, and traffic volume was up with the T-Day weekend.
That said, I've landed at ORD well over 100 times and I've never landed 22L!

BTW, how was your flight in?

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2006-11-23 17:27:24 and read 2556 times.

The winds were calling for its use. They also went from 3 runways to 2 due to the wind. This caused a lot of havoc for airborn aircraft.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Ordpark
Posted 2006-11-23 20:02:25 and read 2507 times.

Amen to that...actually took diversions on what should have been one of the best wx days of the seasons....22L is used in conjunction with a 14L/22R configuration for landings.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2006-11-23 22:27:46 and read 2465 times.

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 3):
Amen to that...actually took diversions on what should have been one of the best wx days of the seasons....22L is used in conjunction with a 14L/22R configuration for landings.

14L/22R? 14L is 32R, 22R = 4L. Theres no such thing as a 14L/22R landing configuration at ORD. Most common for 22R landings is also 27R Visual and 27L Visual/Instrument.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: P3Orion
Posted 2006-11-24 00:19:56 and read 2421 times.

Plan B. Arrivals: ILS 14R, ILS 22R, VA 22L / Departures: 22L, 27L, 14R, 14L.

It's the third most common configuration. Used when the wind is strong ( 12+ knots) out of the south.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Midway7
Posted 2006-11-24 02:06:51 and read 2386 times.

One time, a while back, the winds were 30+ out of the NE. They were using 4L and 4R for all arrivals. First and only time I have ever seen arrivals on 4L. It was visual conditions that day.

P3Orion, do they have a regular plan that uses 32L for arrivals, or does the wind have to be strong before it is used?

Thanks,

Midway7

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: P3Orion
Posted 2006-11-24 02:14:51 and read 2380 times.

The only time that I have seen an arrival to RWY 32L was an emergency. Plan Weird (Arrivals ILS 22R, ILS 27L, VA 27R / Departures 32L@T10, 22L, 32R) and Plan X (Arrivals ILS 04R, ILS 09R, VA 09L / Departures 32L@T10, 04L, 09L, 32R) are our primary and most efficient configurations.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Ordpark
Posted 2006-11-24 02:47:55 and read 2355 times.

I mispoke slightly.....14R/22R in conjunction with 22L is a relativly common configuration. I have seen 32L used after 2200 for arrivals with a strong northerly wind when the 27's are not available...approaches to 4L are a clear signal to everyone at ORD that we're all gonna have a really BAD day! It means a really low arrival rate!

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Airfinair
Posted 2006-11-24 04:18:32 and read 2322 times.

About the most bizarre thing I've ever seen at ORD was during a Plan Weird day (Arrivals ILS 22R, ILS 27L, VA 27R / Departures 32L@T10, 22L, 32R.) I was at Mannheim & 27L enjoying the views when out of nowhere came a UA 722 right over my head landing on 32R! It must have been an emergency or something, but back then I didn't even know what a scanner was so who knows.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Mir
Posted 2006-11-24 05:36:16 and read 2275 times.

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 5):
Plan B



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 7):
Plan Weird



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 7):
Plan X

Is there anywhere where these various plans are listed?

-Mir

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: MPDPilot
Posted 2006-11-24 09:17:03 and read 2217 times.

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 9):
Plan Weird day (Arrivals ILS 22R, ILS 27L, VA 27R / Departures 32L@T10, 22L, 32R.)

I thought that this was the norm on a light winded day. seems to be on of the best utilizations of the field to me.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: SailorOrion
Posted 2006-11-24 09:52:19 and read 2207 times.

P3Orion.

So there are 3 main usage plans?

Plan B. Arrivals: ILS 14R, ILS 22R, VA 22L / Departures: 22L, 27L, 14R, 14L.
I guess that means using LAHSO on 14R? 09L/27R is unused in that case?

Plan Weird Arrivals: ILS 22R, ILS 27L, VA 27R / Departures 32L@T10, 22L, 32R
LAHSO on 22R? What about longhaul departures? 32L at full length or 27L?

Plan X Arrivals: ILS 04R, ILS 09R, VA 09L / Departures 32L@T10, 04L, 09L, 32R
Is there a LAHSO active for 09R in that case? before M7? Where do the longhauls depart here? again 32L at full length or 09R?

So for "B" there seem 5 runways in use, and for "Weird" and "X" there are 6. Are there any more plans in use normally? What is the approximate hourly capacity of those?

How does ORD operate in
-CAT I or higher conditions?
-If winds get stronger? a real 2-runway configuration might hit the capacity badly (down to about 90 ops/hour) In that case, are the runways operated mixed or segraded? Do 2-runway configs even happen at all?

Man, I think you must be happy by the thought of maybe having 6 parallel runway sometime in the future?

SailorOrion

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: MPDPilot
Posted 2006-11-24 09:59:42 and read 2203 times.

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 12):
Plan Weird Arrivals

so is this what they actually call the plan or is this something us a.netters have come up with.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Dispatchguy
Posted 2006-11-24 11:59:44 and read 2183 times.

Go to

http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois

Click on the left part of your screen to the West Directory
Click to expand ZAU
On the little map, click on ORD

Your screen should be all of the various runway use plans at ORD, and the aircraft acceptance rates that each plan nominally provides. Plans B, X, and Wierd are the somewhat normal use plans, winds low with decent weather. Throw in some winds, wet runways (for no LAHSO), or low IFR, and it goes to hell in a handbasket really quick.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: SailorOrion
Posted 2006-11-24 13:13:33 and read 2167 times.

Cool that looks really helpful  Smile Thanks a bunch

SailorOrion

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2006-11-24 14:07:55 and read 2151 times.

Another good website is www.bigairport.com

Click on "pilot info", and then "runway config". It'll give you just about every situation that might arise.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Airfinair
Posted 2006-11-24 14:51:27 and read 2131 times.

In the NTSB report on the GTI 744 and the UAL 737 incident, it was mentioned that there are 95 possible configurations at ORD.

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Isitsafenow
Posted 2006-11-24 16:13:37 and read 2108 times.

Other strange ORD runway useage I was involved in a few years back was a departure on an Air Wisconson F27 on 36, a departure on a NW 757 on 22R and a departure on a United DC 10 on 4R....
Only done those once but been to/through ORD many, many times.
safe

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2006-11-25 01:40:45 and read 2032 times.

What's the preferred runway at night? I've always landed 32L late at night, but it sounds like the 27s might be preferred (the most recent time I did it was on a perfectly clear, calm night on a NW flight from DTW, which would have been a great 27 candidate).

And for the poster who asked, my flight in was as delightful as US mainline ever is minus a few bumps over the Appalachians (coming in from CLT).

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: William
Posted 2006-11-25 06:09:23 and read 1975 times.

When listening to ATC controllers over the internet the pilots taxing to the 22L pad sometimes say, "Q up" or something like that. What does that mean?

Topic: RE: ORD Runways Tuesday 11/21
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2006-11-25 07:11:10 and read 1950 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
What's the preferred runway at night? I've always landed 32L late at night, but it sounds like the 27s might be preferred (the most recent time I did it was on a perfectly clear, calm night on a NW flight from DTW, which would have been a great 27 candidate).

This happened back in 1998, but I was coming in from ATL on AA, and the winds were gusty with a lot of rain. We wound up landing on 32L around 9pm, but it was apparently still being used for departures, because there were several aircraft lined up at T10.


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