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Topic: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Ballsdeep
Posted 2006-11-28 05:28:07 and read 6370 times.

Airtran is starting service to Phoenix from Atlanta in Febuary

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/1128biz-airtran1128.html

[Edited 2006-11-28 05:30:35]

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: WDBRR
Posted 2006-11-28 13:32:25 and read 6174 times.

It's about time, they already fly ATL-DFW which
almost has hourly flights on DL and AA.
I think they will do just fine.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirMailer
Posted 2006-11-28 16:48:28 and read 6027 times.

I think that PHX was definitely an overdue choice for FL.
I would have picked it over SEA, but at least it's finally here.

... now when can we get CUN back??  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2006-11-28 16:56:52 and read 6006 times.

If PHX was the runaway choice.. what was the next 2? I ponder..

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2006-11-28 18:52:21 and read 5886 times.

Good news, but is it a wise choice?

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: RedTailDTW
Posted 2006-11-29 01:00:13 and read 5716 times.

What gate do you think FL would use? I think they could use the old ATA gate 5 in Terminal 3 and the old ATA ticket counter.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirCop
Posted 2006-11-29 01:13:47 and read 5685 times.

Great news, guess that PHX to PNS just got a little bit more reasonable.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AlexPorter
Posted 2006-11-29 02:17:30 and read 5624 times.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 5):
What gate do you think FL would use? I think they could use the old ATA gate 5 in Terminal 3 and the old ATA ticket counter.

T3, especially T3 South has the most open room. Until recently, they had only American, Midwest, and jetBlue, and recently got Hawaiian. That open ticket counter is still there although there might be some stuff in the way at the moment, but that could be moved pretty easily. I don't know where else there is any room - I think the former US gates in T2 have been reclaimed by AS and UA or otherwise just AS - I don't believe they are vacant anymore. And T4 is as full as ever.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2006-11-29 02:58:59 and read 5576 times.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
I think the former US gates in T2 have been reclaimed by AS and UA or otherwise just AS - I don't believe they are vacant anymore.

Nope, AS is still using gates 10,11 and 14..the same as always at T2. They have not moved the ticket counter. CO, who has been at T2 in the last couple of years, probably has expanded their ticket counter or something like that.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: RedTailDTW
Posted 2006-11-29 04:17:08 and read 5496 times.

Heres The Gate Situations With Non-Terminal 4 Carriers:

Terminal 2:

Alaska- Gates 10, 12, 14
Continental- Gates 6A, 6B, 8
Great Lakes- D
United / Air Canada- C, D, 1, 3, 5, 7

Terminal 3:

American- 2, 4, 6
Delta- 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
Frontier- 20
Hawaiian- 7
JetBlue- 9
Midwest- 9
Northwest- 23, 24, 25, 26
Sun Country- 18

Correct me if i am wrong...

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-11-29 04:20:16 and read 5488 times.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Good news, but is it a wise choice?

It's all about the proposed DL/US merger. If the merger goes through, DL/US will have to offload some of their flights between ATL and PHX. Who better to take the load than that "other" ATL airline. (WN could be wise in starting ATL service from PHX for the same reason.)

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Monorail
Posted 2006-11-29 04:27:36 and read 5464 times.

It's another good addition for Sky Harbor. So we wooed B6 in about 2 years ago and they've since expanded to 3x daily. Now we add FL, who's already committed to 3x daily. I hope NK will follow suit in the near future as the next east-coast based LCC to come out to the Valley.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Callsigncitrus
Posted 2006-11-29 16:36:14 and read 5321 times.

so im sure the ramp will most likely be contracted, do you think that the ticketing/gate agents will be as well??

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Vivavegas
Posted 2006-11-29 17:21:13 and read 5272 times.

I could easily see additional PHX cities such as CAK (1x), HPN (1x), BWI (2x), BOS (2x), MDW (2x?), MSP (1x), MKE (1x), MCO (2x), MIA (2x).

Granted much of this would be seasonable, I could see a Winter schedule comparable to MCO.

Good Move!

Craig
MKE

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: SANFan
Posted 2006-11-30 00:07:59 and read 5137 times.

I'm kinda wondering where the PR from AirTran is; the official word was supposed to be made yesterday, Tuesday (which is wasn't), nor has it happened today. Hmmmmm......

In other words, there has yet to be an official announcement of this service.

Happy Holiday to All.

bb

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirCop
Posted 2006-11-30 00:31:27 and read 5119 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 14):
In other words, there has yet to be an official announcement of this service.

Check out the web site, Phoenix service is announced in all its glory.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: SANFan
Posted 2006-11-30 00:43:08 and read 5100 times.

Thanks, Cop. Silly me -- I was looking for it under Press Releases...  Embarrassment

Happy Holidays to All.

bb

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Thegooddoctor
Posted 2006-11-30 01:21:45 and read 5052 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
It's all about the proposed DL/US merger. If the merger goes through, DL/US will have to offload some of their flights between ATL and PHX. Who better to take the load than that "other" ATL airline. (WN could be wise in starting ATL service from PHX for the same reason.)

Why would they need to "offload" flights?? They certainly didn't "offload" PHX-CLT or PHX-PHL (both actually added 1-2 flights IIRC).

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: ScottB
Posted 2006-11-30 01:39:06 and read 5031 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
It's all about the proposed DL/US merger. If the merger goes through, DL/US will have to offload some of their flights between ATL and PHX. Who better to take the load than that "other" ATL airline.

Actually, I agree that it's about the merger, but not because the merged airline would have to cut ATL-PHX flights. Rather, the "new" Delta would be cutting back capacity by 10% or more in the Southeast, and who is best positioned to backfill that capacity? AirTran. Moreover, it's practically a sure thing that the government would require a merged DL/US to give up gates at ATL -- and who wants more gates at ATL? AirTran.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2006-11-30 05:00:37 and read 4936 times.

Im assuming FL is going to use 73G's into PHX or....????

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Indy
Posted 2006-11-30 05:19:07 and read 4918 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
Actually, I agree that it's about the merger, but not because the merged airline would have to cut ATL-PHX flights. Rather, the "new" Delta would be cutting back capacity by 10% or more in the Southeast, and who is best positioned to backfill that capacity? AirTran. Moreover, it's practically a sure thing that the government would require a merged DL/US to give up gates at ATL -- and who wants more gates at ATL? AirTran.

The cuts won't come from ATL. They will come from CLT. If anything you'll see DL try and squeeze every last available slot out of ATL. Imagine your eastern focus being ATL and PHL. Nobody will get anywhere on time  Smile

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirCop
Posted 2006-11-30 05:43:50 and read 4901 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Im assuming FL is going to use 73G's into PHX or....????

You're right according to the web site.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: ScottB
Posted 2006-11-30 06:33:47 and read 4870 times.

Quoting Indy (Reply 20):
The cuts won't come from ATL. They will come from CLT. If anything you'll see DL try and squeeze every last available slot out of ATL.

The problem is, I don't see the government allowing the merger to proceed unless the combined carrier agrees to give up some number of gates at ATL. At the very least, the US Airways gates on Concourse D, or at most, the Delta gates on D as well. Giving up the ASA gates on Concourse C would probably suffice, too.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Jmc1975
Posted 2006-11-30 06:56:12 and read 4851 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
(WN could be wise in starting ATL service from PHX for the same reason.)

WN can't get gate space at ATL...so tem starting PHX-ATL would not be wise.

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 17):
Why would they need to "offload" flights?? They certainly didn't "offload" PHX-CLT or PHX-PHL (both actually added 1-2 flights IIRC).

You're partially right, however, HP never operated to CLT.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Thegooddoctor
Posted 2006-11-30 15:08:37 and read 4772 times.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 23):
You're partially right, however, HP never operated to CLT.

True - but I think they went from 2 or 3 a day PHX-CLT when they were separate airlines to 5 a day now. My point was the overall increase in flights (minus PIT - but no one expected anything else to happen anyways) between the hubs.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Pensacolaguy
Posted 2006-11-30 15:49:00 and read 4753 times.

I'm glad to hear that FL will be starting service to Phoenix, Arizona! PHX is not exactly a cheap market to get to, unlike other places such as LAX, LAS.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Great news, guess that PHX to PNS just got a little bit more reasonable.

I checked the airfares from PNS to PHX for March 2007 and FL was the cheapest at $244.70 Round trip. MOB and VPS where both over $500 Round trip.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AAflyguy
Posted 2006-11-30 17:19:17 and read 4748 times.

Aside from all the merger frenzy surrounding the hostile bid by US for DL, let's not forget that PHX is a major metropolitan area and continues to grow rapidly. There are well over 3,000,000 residents in Greater Phoenix, and it is a big business center and year-round resort/golf/convention destination. PHX service had been under extensive review and analysis by FL for some time.

Merger or not, this is one of the most logical Western markets for FL to initiate service from ATL. It is not at all a big risk, with the large O&D bases at each end combined with the connecting potential. Perhaps the timing of the announcement was to line up with a potential merger with US/DL, but I don't believe that was the primary objective. WN is not a concern, since it does not serve ATL. DL has already cut domestic capacity @ ATL, as part of its reorganization. FL has been taking advantage of this for the last year by increasing capacity in some of the markets where DL has diminished its presence. Does anyone know whether there has been a cut in capacity on ATL-PHX by DL? I have no idea.

And if WN wanted to be in ATL, there would be a way. Airports cannot turn away service or carriers, because we accept federal funds, and refusing competition is not allowed. Large airports actually have to submit a Competition Plan to demonstrate how each will remain open to other carriers stating interest in operating new service. So what it comes down to is that WN does not want to serve ATL. And it seems that ATL is doing just fine without them anyway. WN lovers can go to BHM, which will gladly welcome the business. FL has nearly as much capacity as any of WNs largest operations (BWI/ORD/PHX/LAS), and continues to grow its presence there with DAB & SWF coming online in Jan. Next up, PHX! Way to go, FL...keep it movin'!

AAflyguy

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-11-30 17:26:23 and read 4736 times.

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 17):
Why would they need to "offload" flights??

REmember the US/UA debacle? The government was big on making sure the combined airline dropped a lot of their PHL-SFO flights, and other US-hub to UA-hub flights because the combined carrier would completely dominate those markets.

Right now, if you want to fly ATL-PHX, your options are US and DL. If they merge, they'll probably have to dump some flights. That capacity would easily be picked up by another airline if it was already flying the route.

Quoting Indy (Reply 20):
If anything you'll see DL try and squeeze every last available slot out of ATL.

I disagree. I think US/DL would *like* to squeeze every last drop out of ATL, but the DOJ will force their hand.

(So if WN wants gates at ATL, this could be prime time for them.)

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2006-11-30 17:38:02 and read 4723 times.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 26):
let's not forget that PHX is a major metropolitan area and continues to grow rapidly.

6th largest city for population in the US.

Glad to see them coming to town. It's one more way to get to/from work now.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2006-11-30 18:22:21 and read 4681 times.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
If PHX was the runaway choice.. what was the next 2? I ponder..

All I know is that FWA was also in the top 5, though FL didn't say which position they were in. Not sure about other cities...

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Cactus742
Posted 2006-11-30 23:58:16 and read 4575 times.

Very good choice of routes especially because WN doesn't fly to ATL. WN and HP/Us have such a chokehold on Sky Harbor, so it's good to see another airline come in. Competing against only one of those two leading PHX airlines had to be one of the primary pluses for PHX service.

I flew in and out of T3 (South on AA) for the first time in about a year over Thanksgiving and it looks like a ghost town. The amount of gates that have been removed is downright depressing. Between the southwest side beyond AA's gates where the airport has installed offices in place of old gates and the far south end which is entirely vacant, it seems like this still very nice and functional terminal is rapidly being vacated. It really worries me, especially since these are mainly big carriers that obviously all have relatively small operations out of Phoenix.

Best,
Alex

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2006-12-01 01:41:22 and read 4520 times.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 25):
PHX is not exactly a cheap market to get to, unlike other places such as LAX, LAS.

I second that!! I paid $380 for my ticket to SEA on AS this past September....now Im finding much cheaper fares a month before I leave for SEA. Very surprising!

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Thegooddoctor
Posted 2006-12-01 02:09:28 and read 4493 times.

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 30):
I flew in and out of T3 (South on AA) for the first time in about a year over Thanksgiving and it looks like a ghost town. The amount of gates that have been removed is downright depressing. *******Between the southwest side beyond AA's gates where the airport has installed offices in place of old gates and the far south end which is entirely vacant, it seems like this still very nice and functional terminal is rapidly being vacated**********. It really worries me, especially since these are mainly big carriers that obviously all have relatively small operations out of Phoenix.

Uhh, what are you referring to?

The south end hasn't had gates for as long as I can remember (years) - that's due to a taxiway restriction, AFAIK, not a lack of need for gates.
And as far as offices on the southwest side of the concourse?

South side of T3 is not busy - but it only has six gates... AA alone runs 16 turns a day (10 on the 75s) on three gates. Since the HP/US merger, I'm pretty sure we will not ever see the amount of service on the other legacy carriers that we once saw - PHX has probably joined the MSP's, DTW's, and ATL's of the world on the road to being dominated largely by one carrier.

S

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Cactus742
Posted 2006-12-01 06:09:44 and read 4397 times.

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 32):
And as far as offices on the southwest side of the concourse?

My mistake, I meant the southeast side, specifically beyond gate 6, where gates 8 and 10 presumably once were. The jetbridges have been removed from the outside and from the inside of the terminal there are new, obviously retrofitted doors where the waiting areas once were that lead to offices... I think they're airport or aviation development offices. I don't remember the specific titles over the doors.

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 32):
The south end hasn't had gates for as long as I can remember (years) - that's due to a taxiway restriction, AFAIK, not a lack of need for gates.

That makes a lot of sense, I never knew that was the reason.

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 32):
but it has only six gates

The airport map still lists gates 7 and 9 which are obviously not used, of course meaning that all life in the south end stops at gate 6. I know Sky Harbor isn't the first airport to have this happen to, but it's still disappointing to see, and it's not just T3. T2 has the same feeling since US moved out of it. FL's three flights will definitely help.

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: Starstream707
Posted 2006-12-01 06:32:20 and read 4381 times.

Is there any chance they will start servie to TUL or OKC?

Topic: RE: Airtran To Start Service To Phoenix
Username: FCYTravis
Posted 2006-12-01 07:16:48 and read 4366 times.

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 13):
I could easily see additional PHX cities such as CAK (1x), HPN (1x), BWI (2x), BOS (2x), MDW (2x?), MSP (1x), MKE (1x), MCO (2x), MIA (2x).

Why on Earth would AirTran try to set up a focus city in the middle of an airport already dominated by two LCCs, US and WN?


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