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Topic: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: ZRHnerd
Posted 2006-12-03 23:53:34 and read 4586 times.

Was just listening to JFK tower (yet again Big grin ), wasn't really paying attention and only heard a short snap of the controller saying something like "It will be an emergency landing so the runway will be closed for a short period". Does anybody have any more information on this as i couldn't really make out what it was all about. Or were it just my ears going all nuts?

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: ZRHnerd
Posted 2006-12-03 23:59:12 and read 4567 times.

They have now changed runway operations from the 22s to the 13s even though wind is still 230 at 9, so I guess i haven't heard all that wrong?

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-12-04 00:04:09 and read 4534 times.

Winds 230@9 isn't any big crosswind, so the 13s aren't a problem.

You probably did hear something about an emergency, but they are most often "procedural" emergencies that conclude once the aircraft has landed, and are not the full-blown United 232 kind of emergency.

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: ZRHnerd
Posted 2006-12-04 00:09:09 and read 4503 times.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
but they are most often "procedural" emergencies that conclude once the aircraft has landed

I'm aware of that, as like medical emergencies and that kinda stuff, still I'd like to know what it was all about.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
Winds 230@9 isn't any big crosswind, so the 13s aren't a problem.

Thats right, but they switched runway ops just after the incident, so i assume it wasn't a planned change and why would they change form teh 22s to the 13s at a 230 wind, it's still "safer" to approach with head instead of crosswinds.

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: JonnyGT
Posted 2006-12-04 00:18:21 and read 4471 times.

All I know is the guy flying the inbound Lufthansa jet has impeccable English. It must be a refreshing change for the JFK tower controller, especially compared to the Aeroflot jet that just took off.

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-12-04 00:21:40 and read 4451 times.

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 3):
so i assume it wasn't a planned change and why would they change form teh 22s to the 13s at a 230 wind, it's still "safer" to approach with head instead of crosswinds.

For the sake of example, let's say it was the loss of a hydraulic system. The airplane has multiple systems, and it lands safely, but the nosewheel steering is run off the system that failed (and no other). The aircraft has to be towed off (which takes some time), and the runway also has to be checked for any spilled hydraulic fluid (which also takes time). Assuming they land such an aircraft on one of the 22s, that'll close a runway for at least a little while, so they went to the 13s so they could still retain the use of two parallel runways. Continuing the example, once whatever 22 the aircraft was stuck on was cleared, they'd probably switch back from the 13s to the 22s.

All that's just an example--I have no idea what was the actual problem today, but hopefully it gives you an example of how such things are handled...

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: ZRHnerd
Posted 2006-12-04 00:39:09 and read 4373 times.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):

Yes, I do know all of this, i was just trying to prove that there has actually been an incident.
Dude, you aint talking to a complete aviation-newbie here

PS: They are still on the 13s

[Edited 2006-12-04 00:41:56]

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2006-12-04 00:47:54 and read 4345 times.

This offers me the opportunity to ask a question I've wondered about for a long time. What happens is an aircraft is already vectored for approach on the 22's? Let's say it's a transatlantic flight coming from Europe, and it's taking the usual approach over Long Island that zig-zags across the island until landing on 22 or 31? Do they let the plane land or do they simply re-vector it and give it priority for entrance into the pattern for the other runway? Or does the aircraft have to climb back up and wait in a new pattern?

TIS

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2006-12-04 00:53:45 and read 4318 times.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
Do they let the plane land or do they simply re-vector it and give it priority for entrance into the pattern for the other runway? Or does the aircraft have to climb back up and wait in a new pattern?

I guess it depends upon the traffic situation (light, medium, heavy) at the time they decide to change the runways being used, and what the runway configurations are at the other nearby airports. I've seen situations where they "turn the airport around" and you get holding, and other times where there's no holding but aircraft get vectored all over the place transitioning from one flow to another.

Topic: RE: Emergency Landing At JFK?
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2006-12-04 13:43:47 and read 4011 times.

I think it was b/c of an AA 757. There was one being towed from the runway last night with all of the landing gear doors open.


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