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Topic: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2006-11-28 22:43:19 and read 5991 times.

Finally the passenger traffic stats for January-September 2006 have finally been released and we have the following numbers:

1. Grupo Mexicana 7.930.658
Mexicana Domestic: 03.502.546
Mexicana International: 03.283.896
Mexicana Charters Domestic: 019.397
Mexicana Charters International: 033.482
Click Domestic: 01.041.155
Click International: 050.002
Click Charters Domestic: 000.180

2. Grupo AeroMexico 7.540.792
AeroMexico Domestic: 04.658.789
AeroMexico International: 1.577.855
AeroMexico Charters Domestic: 060.660
AeroMexico Charters International: 291.211
Aerolitoral Domestic: 911.712
Aerolitoral International: 038.698
Aerolitoral Charters Domestic: 001.703
Aerolitoral Charters International: 000.164

3. Aviacsa 2.364.999
Aviacsa Domestic: 2.217.410
Aviacsa International: 147.589

4. Interjet 849.122
Domestic Only

5. Líneas Aéreas Azteca 867.640
Azteca Domestic: 840.515
Azteca International: 027.125

6. Magnicharters 640.500
Magni Domestic: 466.436
Magni Charters Domestic: 162.107
Magni Charters International: 011.957

6. Volaris 571.699
Domestic Only
Launch operations on March 2006.

7. AeroMar 498.445
AeroMar Domestic: 488.308
AeroMar Charters Domestic: 009.963
AeroMar Charters International: 000.174

8. AeroCalifornia 358.134
JAN/FEB 2006
Restarted operations last August 11th 2006!

9. AVOLAR 255.359
Domestic Only

10. Nova Air 71.659
Nova Charters Domestic: 071.230
Nova Charters International: 000.429

11. ALMA 67.231
Domestic Only
Launch operations on June 2006.

Seen by fleets as of November 28th, 2006:

Grupo AeroMexico - 109
33x14xMD87s, 05xMD82s, 04xMD83s, 10xMD88s
28xB737Ws, 03xB738Ws
02xB752s, 03xB762s,
01xB763s, 03xB772s
14xS340s
22xE145s

Pending for arrival:

04xE145s
15xB737Ws, 04xB738Ws
01xB762s, 01xB763s
01xB772s ex. PP-VRB, 05xB787s

Grupo Mexicana - 71
55x10x A318, 16x A319, 29x A320
12xF100
02xB752s
02xB763s

Aviacsa - 26
23xB732s
03xB733s

Pending for arrival: 02xB733s

AeroCalifornia - 21
17xDC9-32s Active
04xDC9-32s pending to be released, but that might happen soon

AeroMar - 16
07xATR42-320s
09xATR42-500s

Líneas Aéreas Azteca - 09
06xB733s
03xB73Gs

Magnicharters - 09
09xB732/3s

Avolar - 08
05xB733s
03xB735s

Pending for arrival: 02xB733s, 02xB735s

ALMA - 08
02xCRJ100ER
05xCRJ200ER

Pending for arrival: 01xCRJ200ER (DEC 06), 08xCRJ200ER (2007), 04xCRJ900ER(2007)

InterJet - 07
07xA320s

Pending for arrival in 2007: 02xA320s
Pending for arrival in 2008: 04xA320s
Pending for arrival in 2009: 04xA320s

Estafeta Carga Aérea - 05
03xB732s
02xB733s

Pending for arrival: 02xB733s

Volaris - 06
06xA319s

Pending for arrival in Jan-June of 2007: 08xA319s

AeroUnion - 16
03xA300s

Mas Air - 03
03xB763Fs (CC-CZZ, N314LA, N420LA)

Nova Air - 03
03xB732s

Aladia - 02
02xB752s
Pending for arrival in 2007: 01xB752s, 01xB767s

Viva Aerobus - 02
02xB733s

Pending for arrival in Dec 2006-Dec 2007: 10xB733s

Republic Air - 02
02xB732s

As of January-June 06, please visit:
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2921840

As for all 2005 and 2004, please visit:
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2748761
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2400279

Sources:
APM GROUP: www.apm-group.com.mx
México DGAC: www.dgac.gob.mx


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Here you have the fleets and numbers which once again speak for itself! Many things and conclusions can be taken out from this!

For MX, we have them leading again and it seems it will keep this way for a little longer time despite its entire current “crisis” the airline is going thru. They have a good balance in terms of passengers carried, domestic and international, more over, MX has also increased dramatically its domestic share, with mainline routes as well as with Click along they’ve done a terrific job. Seems this year FINALLY, we are again reaching the 10M mark from a Mexican carrier.

As for AM, well I have too many things to say about them, but I’ll keep several things to myself too, I just want to say that they have a big fleet, too many employees, too many routes within Mexico, and many more seats offered than anyone else… I’m sure load factors are in the 60/65s which it isn’t good for an airline of its size.

Aviacsa’s passengers have shrunk dramatically (and still Viva to enter start operations in its hub), last year 6A flew 3.5M this year they will be very short from their record year, I barely see them reaching the 3M mark pax this year.

Interjet in only its first year of operations will reach something like 1.2M pax!! Azteca for the first time, after 5 years in the market will probably reach the 1M mark and end in something near to 1.1M pax.

I’m just a little worried of what might be happening to Aviacsa, AeroMar, AeroCalifornia and Azteca which all are in big trouble and this last one in a little more difficult situation to worry about. Airlines mentioned can possibly be selling tickets and doing “alright” but many pilots are changing to the new Mexican start-up’s, with this, all expansions projects can be thrown easily to the waste basket. This also proof’s many pilots weren’t happy and felt no real growth or progress in their airlines. Some other carriers are a little better but some other pilots that change to another airline are regretting from having done it.

It will be a record year for MAGNICHARTERS as they too will reach a new mark!!!

Volaris it’s just unstoppable, only 6 A319s and they’re doing miracles!!! By its 1st anniversary most probably they will be in the 1M mark, its load factors I’m sure are quite HIGH, from Jan to Jun 06, 8 A319s will be arriving! Some have been delayed due to pilots shortage.

Avolar is a little slow but it has to do with the fact that they’ve slowly increased its fleet, but once they get the 12 B737s by Jan 2006 they will start having a better numbers. At least, they were second out of TIJ last month of September with 25.000 pax vs AM which is first with only 29.000 thousand (its share keep shrinking, let see if they are able to keep it now JR is back and with the new NRT flight).

Opinions and more are welcomed!!!

ghooost77 APM

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Juventus
Posted 2006-11-29 00:35:32 and read 5954 times.

Very informative, thanx for the update.

(my opinion)
MX flies more people than AM with less aircraft, impressive. I wonder if this is due to the fact that Aeromexico's flights tend to be longer (MAD, CDG, SCL, GRU) thus their aircraft are longer in the air, or Mexicana is just simply out-performing its rival. They don't publish their revenue per passenger do they?

AM has several deliveries pending, is only logical that they will give us one or two new long-haul destinations in 2007.

Interjet, Volaris, Avolar, ALMA all growing steady.

Azteca, AeroCalifornia, (I have no coment)

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Cun757
Posted 2006-11-29 01:45:37 and read 5924 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Volaris it’s just unstoppable, only 6 A319s and they’re doing miracles!!!

Yes... Thats wy they have 5 hour delay in the flights... It hapens to me... CUN-TLC...

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
AeroMexico International: 1.577.855

I cant belive that Mexicana have the double in International Flights... And im sure the flights are almost all from California...

Do you know if Aladia starts allready with charters and flights...?
Its going to be Magnicahrters competition...?

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: XA744
Posted 2006-11-29 01:58:10 and read 5917 times.

Ghost, thank you for the update. Very enlightening info you present us with here.

Now, do you happen to know what´s the actual growth 05-06( % ), in terms of passengers carried, both domestic and international by all the airlines involved. Also, do we have figures about how much the domestic availability of seats grew in 2006 compared to 2005 ?

How much more are Mexicans travelling by air after the introduction of all the new LCCs in the market ?

Best regards

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: FLY2HMO
Posted 2006-11-29 02:20:37 and read 5893 times.

Thanks for the info ghost.

I find it amazing the MX almost has an equal number of international and domestic passengers. AM really falls behind them in this department. Also, you'd think AM, with a way larger fleet, would have more passengers, but obviously its not the case.

What ever happened to the MX long-haul aircraft they were looking for? Are they gonna stick to the 763s for now?

Saludos  wave 

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: N405MX
Posted 2006-11-29 15:29:38 and read 5810 times.

Richard, thanks for the info, interesting numbers.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
(my opinion)
MX flies more people than AM with less aircraft, impressive. I wonder if this is due to the fact that Aeromexico's flights tend to be longer (MAD, CDG, SCL, GRU) thus their aircraft are longer in the air, or Mexicana is just simply out-performing its rival. They don't publish their revenue per passenger do they?

Not at all, actually they have lot of empty seats, even when they have big equipment for short routes, like MEX-MTY-MEX, they send often their 757/762 and the load factor is not so high.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 2):
I cant belive that Mexicana have the double in International Flights... And im sure the flights are almost all from California...

Don´t forget ORD, also CCS is a really good flight.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 2):
Do you know if Aladia starts allready with charters and flights...?

Not until friday, hope that tomorrow they have their counters ready, if they do i´ll post some pictures.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 2):
Its going to be Magnicahrters competition...?

They will as they are focused to the charter business, their firs routes will be CUN and MCO, the plane is already in SLW.

Saludos

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2006-11-29 22:56:32 and read 5722 times.

Your welcome everybody!! Hope this helps to understand how everything is going with our carriers.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
MX flies more people than AM with less aircraft, impressive. I wonder if this is due to the fact that Aeromexico's flights tend to be longer (MAD, CDG, SCL, GRU) thus their aircraft are longer in the air, or Mexicana is just simply out-performing its rival. They don't publish their revenue per passenger do they?

This has nothing to do with the fact that AM flies longer routes. In fact, AM with no excuse, should be bigger. AM do publishes it's RPK's available at CINTRA's website.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 2):
Do you know if Aladia starts allready with charters and flights...?

It started on November 26th, 2006 offering promotional flights to Travel Agents, they're officialy launching operations tomorrow November 30th of 2006.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 2):
Its going to be Magnicahrters competition...?

Kind of.. but IMHO, no one can beat Magnicharters service, by far, the best in Mexico! So far in the last 6 months I’ve flown Mexicana, AeroMexico, Volaris, Interjet, Aviacsa and Magnicharters, and this one last, is THE BEST.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 3):
Now, do you happen to know what´s the actual growth 05-06( % ), in terms of passengers carried, both domestic and international by all the airlines involved. Also, do we have figures about how much the domestic availability of seats grew in 2006 compared to 2005 ?

There’s no table comparison for Jan.Sep05 as I have already deleted that list from my computer, but I will publish the 2006 report and compare with 2005 as early as possible in 2007 as soon as SCT releases the numbers.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 3):
How much more are Mexicans travelling by air after the introduction of all the new LCCs in the market ?

So far, only a new 22% so far has taken the LCC’s. Other 78% are pax that flew before, but thing is that they’re doing it more oftenly.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
What ever happened to the MX long-haul aircraft they were looking for? Are they gonna stick to the 763s for now?

So far yes, stick with 2 B763s, but I wouldn’t rule the possibility to see MX ending with 4 B767-300s in 2007.

ghost77 APM

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Cun757
Posted 2006-12-01 02:45:34 and read 5626 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 6):
no one can beat Magnicharters service

Thats true...
The only thing that Magnicharters needs is new planes... I dont know wy some investor insted in making a new airline, talks to Magni to put some fresh money and buy new great birds like 737/700...

By the way guys, thanks for the info... Hope to see this new 757 soon in Cun...

Also CUN is geting ready with the new T3 and they start to build the new runway...

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Stirling
Posted 2006-12-01 03:17:35 and read 5617 times.

Ghost77 that is an awesome report you provided. Thank you very much.

I am unfamilar with what Magnicharters does. Could you maybe provide a brief outline of their operations, such as the destinations, and why, in your estimation they are one of the better Mexican operators?

As for Click, is anyone really surprised they carried over a million passengers? I mean, they are so closely linked with Mexicana that it is inevitable, they get passengers by default....MX directing them to Click via their website and phone centers.

Now those are the airlines up and running.....what about those that are still yet to take to the skies? The above numbers total about 22 million passengers....how many airline passengers can Mexico produce?
What is the potential market?
Is the strategy of these startups to steal passengers from the existing airlines, or, get people to fly who would not otherwise do so?

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2006-12-04 00:19:54 and read 5508 times.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 7):
The only thing that Magnicharters needs is new planes... I dont know wy some investor instead in making a new airline, talks to Magni to put some fresh money and buy new great birds like 737/700...

I'm also on this one with you. I wished Magnicharters could get some newer planes. But with the time they'll probably will, slowly, at least, they'll be getting more B737-300s.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Ghost77 that is an awesome report you provided. Thank you very much. I am unfamilar with what Magnicharters does. Could you maybe provide a brief outline of their operations, such as the destinations, and why, in your estimation they are one of the better Mexican operators?

Your welcome!!! What's up with Magnicharters? They started as a Charter airline back 1993 and now they have the classification of being a Regional Airline by Mexico's FAA. I don't know on what depends to become a Domestic Airlines, does anyone knows? They fly on schedule to 4 cities inland: MEX, MTY, GDL and BJX to SJD, MZT, PVR, ZIH, ACA, HUX, MID and CUN. They also do Charters from cities like SLP and QET to sunny destinations.

They mainly sale Vacations packages with all included, you get a good air fare, hotel and ground transportation to your hotel and sometimes to other cultural places and zones to visit specially in Cancún and the Riviera Maya.

They have probably the best leg room out from all Mexican carriers as they have a low density configuration for a B737-2/3s. They were the first to introduce GOOD leather and comfy seats back in 1993, not cheesy things as AeroMexico's Premier, Mexicana's Ejecutiva or today's Click, Volaris or Interjet’s product. Of course, they have a small fleet which is very easy to do this kind of appealing things.

They offer good food always on all their legs and a good mix of alcoholic beverages in its bar, and the best, everything is for free at a very low price. Also, they always try to offer quality and added value with a nice touch of human service everywhere. They're a very reliable and safe airline. You are able to fly them because you bought a package with them to fly over to one of their destinations and stay at one of the 150 hotels in Mexico they have an agreement with or just fly them domestic paying your air fare only and getting a good top notch service. As soon as they released their NEW website, I'll open a thread, hope you know spanish, if not, english version should be available too later!!! I invite you to fly Magnicharters on your next trip to Mexico, you won’t regret!!!

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
As for Click, is anyone really surprised they carried over a million passengers? I mean, they are so closely linked with Mexicana that it is inevitable, they get passengers by default....MX directing them to Click via their website and phone centers.

I’m not that surprised as probably you are, since last year Click also moved for the first time over 1M pax! This time, most probably, will end up with near to 1.3M which is a very good number, which it will be over 250K pax more compared with 2005! Sure MX is helping them a lot, but sure too, they aren’t getting feed with MX pax. Their LCC model with a plane configured with 100 seats, low in fuel consumption and flying out of MEX is giving them a lot of success. I finally yesterday discovered some more info and was told about their new planes and plans!!! Get ready as Click is coming, growing and will sure too by the end of 2007 will continue to be Mexico’s largest LCC, well, that depends on how Volaris develops!!! But they’re doing and going on the right direction.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Now those are the airlines up and running.....what about those that are still yet to take to the skies?

There’s only one more LCC, VivaAerobus which just started operations last Wednesday which of course will be a new and BIG headache for Aviacsa as its hub will be located in MTY. If you compare 2005 vs 2006, Aviacsa out from all is the one that’s been loosing a lot of % share. There’s too a Charter airline with B757s called Aladia, which will give a little head ache to Magnicharters. It will depend on how Aladia will develop, as Aladia intends to fly to Canada, USA, Carribean, Mexico, South America and Europe. They will end up 2007 with a fleet of 3 B757s and a B767s.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
The above numbers total about 22 million passengers....how many airline passengers can Mexico produce?



Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
What is the potential market?

Last year, the total for all Mexican carriers was 27.830.000, that is, a net increase in a 4.5% compared to year 2004. As you said, so far, that makes 22M, I estimate, this year all mexican carriers will end up with something near to 30M. By 2007 they will probably get to the 35M mark and it is said, by 2013, that probably all Mexican carriers will reach 50M. Mexican carriers + international traffic in 2005 made 46.110.000 a net increase in 5.8% vs 2004, this year easily we are reaching the 50M mark, it is said by 2009 we will be over the 60M. By 2013 it should reach 75M passengers in the whole system as 90M by 2016.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Is the strategy of these startups to steal passengers from the existing airlines, or, get people to fly who would not otherwise do so?

Both!! Steal, make people that travel make it more often and create a new demand.

ghost77

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Juventus
Posted 2006-12-04 01:14:34 and read 5488 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
By 2007 they will probably get to the 35M mark and it is said, by 2013, that probably all Mexican carriers will reach 50M. Mexican carriers + international traffic in 2005 made 46.110.000 a net increase in 5.8% vs 2004, this year easily we are reaching the 50M mark, it is said by 2009 we will be over the 60M. By 2013 it should reach 75M passengers in the whole system as 90M by 2016.

This is why I think it is extremely important to upgrade Toluca airport. In my opinion TLC will play a very important role in Mexican aviation. With Volaris and Interjet growing, and MEX congested, TLC becomes fundamental. Last year Air Madrid said they would increase frequencies as soon as TLC is developeed.

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: SFOMEX
Posted 2006-12-04 06:14:03 and read 5419 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
4. Interjet 849.122
Domestic Only

5. Líneas Aéreas Azteca 867.640
Azteca Domestic: 840.515
Azteca International: 027.125

This is worrisome for Azteca. Interjet flies from TLC and Azteca from MEX; Interjet flies domestic only and Azteca has the profitable ONT route; Interjet has one year flying and Azteca far more... Nonetheless, Interjet is ahead of Azteca. What do you think?

Thank you for the info Ghost!

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2006-12-04 06:45:32 and read 5401 times.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):
Azteca has the profitable ONT route

ONT has been suspended since one of the aircraft got impounded last week at the airport.

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Juventus
Posted 2006-12-04 13:46:45 and read 5364 times.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):
Azteca has the profitable ONT route



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
ONT has been suspended since one of the aircraft got impounded last week at the airport.

If this fly has been suspended, its going to hurt Azteca. Most of my relatives liked this fly. Usually cheaper, and you get to avoid LAX. Most of the time, a full flight from what I hear.

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2006-12-04 17:40:10 and read 5316 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 13):

They are probably a little shy to bring another aircraft up incase there are further claims against the company which might cause the 2nd aircraft to also get impounded.

Does Azteca have any other US services these days? I know OAK was discontinued in September. Do they still serve JFK?

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Fly727
Posted 2006-12-04 22:20:11 and read 5262 times.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
They are probably a little shy to bring another aircraft up incase there are further claims against the company which might cause the 2nd aircraft to also get impounded.

Though they can still use other frames from different lessors. This very same story happened with Allegro shortly before passing away.

About JFK I believe it was suspended shortly after it started.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):
This is worrisome for Azteca. Interjet flies from TLC and Azteca from MEX; Interjet flies domestic only and Azteca has the profitable ONT route; Interjet has one year flying and Azteca far more... Nonetheless, Interjet is ahead of Azteca. What do you think?

Definitely ahead, but who wouldn't by having a massive 700 million USD business plan behind such as Interjet? Azteca got its feet in deep dirty mud right after it started.

RM  Smile

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2006-12-12 00:31:21 and read 5104 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
This is why I think it is extremely important to upgrade Toluca airport. In my opinion TLC will play a very important role in Mexican aviation.

Indeed! It is said, TLC sometime by 2010 will be moving out +-6/7 million pax from the current 2 and most probably by 2012 they will be on 10M, at least that's what they say!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
With Volaris and Interjet growing, and MEX congested, TLC becomes fundamental.

MEX won't be congested, at least not for the next 10 years, after that, who know how things will fold! With T2, MEX capacity will be extended to 40M pax a year, it's LIMIT!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
Last year Air Madrid said they would increase frequencies as soon as TLC is developeed.

First things first!! They need to solve their aircraft/delay problems!!

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):

Interjet sure is now ahead from Azteca!! I mixed the numbers but by now, in exactly a year, Interjet has shown it's efficiency capacity. Volaris is even better, they've reached 800K pax with only 6 frames in 10 months... before X-mas eve they say they'll fly its pax 1 millon...!!

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):
Thank you for the info Ghost!

Your welcome!!!

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
Does Azteca have any other US services these days? I know OAK was discontinued in September. Do they still serve JFK?

Nope!! JFK has also been stopped due to aircraft shortage (3 grounded and now 1 rpps'd), route was doing OK the month it lasted!!

ghost77 APM

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Lax44
Posted 2006-12-12 01:14:42 and read 5089 times.

Wasn't Interjet supposed to fly to LAX this year?

Topic: RE: Mexico's Traffic Stats For Jan-Sep 06 Report!
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2006-12-16 00:42:39 and read 4974 times.

Quoting Lax44 (Reply 17):
Wasn't Interjet supposed to fly to LAX this year?

Yeap!! But from now on... we have to take everything Interjet says with a grain of salt!! They don't have enough planes... i bet Volaris will land first at LAX than Interjet (if they sometime later do it).


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