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Topic: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ATLflyer
Posted 2007-01-04 18:10:15 and read 6559 times.

I just saw on the wire that Continental will install a new AVOD system in Economy on their 757 and 777s. I will post a link when available.

Highlights: The 757 will be good but the 777 AVOD will be Amazing!

757: Beginning Summer 2007, 25 Movies, 25 Short Programs and 50 CDs; plus 20 Games and Berlitz Foreign Language Program

777: Beginning March 2007, 250 Movies, 300 Short Programs and 150 CDs; plus 25 Games and Berlitz World Traveler Foreign Language Program

Continental will also provide AC Power to Economy Passengers throught the cabin (Not just forward of the wing). Each set of 3 seats will have 2 power ports that will NOT require an adapter. The 767 and 777s already have power throughout but need an adapter.

Sounds Awseome! Way to Go Continental!

[Edited 2007-01-04 18:14:00]

[Edited 2007-01-04 18:14:28]

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ATLflyer
Posted 2007-01-04 18:24:26 and read 6517 times.

Here is the press release:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...D=12FAD3C689A34666A9954C01B9928AAB

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ssides
Posted 2007-01-04 18:33:49 and read 6491 times.

Does CO have PTVs on its 767s?

One thing that I wish AA had ...

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: IAHFLYR
Posted 2007-01-04 18:38:53 and read 6448 times.

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
I just saw on the wire that Continental will install a new AVOD system in Economy on their 757 and 777s. I will post a link when available.

Highlights: The 757 will be good but the 777 AVOD will be Amazing!

757: Beginning Summer 2007, 25 Movies, 25 Short Programs and 50 CDs; plus 20 Games and Berlitz Foreign Language Program

777: Beginning March 2007, 250 Movies, 300 Short Programs and 150 CDs; plus 25 Games and Berlitz World Traveler Foreign Language Program

Continental will also provide AC Power to Economy Passengers throught the cabin (Not just forward of the wing). Each set of 3 seats will have 2 power ports that will NOT require an adapter. The 767 and 777s already have power throughout but need an adapter.

Sounds Awseome! Way to Go Continental!

This isn't entirely all new information....flew on a B752 (ship 125) a week back with the AVOD and A/C plugs in first class. Sure is a much nicer system with far toooooo many options to even think of taking the DVD player or laptop for entertainment!  Smile

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-01-04 18:39:08 and read 6450 times.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Does CO have PTVs on its 767s?

Yes, both B762 and B764 have them.


PH

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: FXramper
Posted 2007-01-04 18:43:17 and read 6426 times.

The foreign language programs offered to select countries is brilliant.  yes 

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 18:43:19 and read 6426 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 4):

Yes, both B762 and B764 have them.

Just not AVOD.

Our ship 19 (777) we are getting in March will be outfitted with the new system, then all other ships being retrofitted, save ship 20 which will come with it in stalled. Our 752s have AVOD in Business/First only. Y/C is coming.

Can't wait. It'll help so much with service flow on the 757. Good for everyone. Finally.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-04 18:43:32 and read 6425 times.

So the two new 777s will have AVOD, as predicted, and then the others will be refitted.
The 757 Y section will be ugraded starting in the summer, which means new seats, too. Their international product needs this going forward.

The 767 is likely up in the air because they are still not sure about the 762 status. But there isn't much urgency because the 767s already have personal screens with many channels of program cycles, so it's not like you don't get anything. You just don't get to control what you watch when you want to see it.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 18:46:58 and read 6396 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
So the two new 777s will have AVOD, as predicted, and then the others will be refitted.

Also, two more seats in our 'A' zone are going in. Seats 6D and 6E, for a total of 50 seats in B/F (32 in our 'A' zone and 18 in our 'B' zone). Our crew rest will be in the overhead compartment at 3R, so it will free up 4 more seats for revenue in our 'B' zone.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Nuggetsyl
Posted 2007-01-04 18:53:26 and read 6365 times.

I hear also that the seats Will be padded different. No more slip and slide.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2007-01-04 19:01:41 and read 6339 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
The 757 Y section will be ugraded starting in the summer, which means new seats, too.

Do you promise? Because man, they need bette seats. Some of the 752 fleet has the old-new seats (no adj headrest) which is bad on the back of the head, but good on the body. The rest of the 752 fleet has the new-new seats (with adj headrest) which is good on the back of the head but feels like cardboard everywhere else.

PLEASE give us comfortable new seats! The IAH-ANC haul this weekend would have been nicer!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Seats 6D and 6E, for a total of 50 seats in B/F (32 in our 'A' zone and 18 in our 'B' zone). Our crew rest will be in the overhead compartment at 3R, so it will free up 4 more seats for revenue in our 'B' zone.

That sounds like a potential for a LOT more revenue... which is typically a good thing. Keep innovating, CO.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 19:05:16 and read 6304 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Do you promise? Because man, they need bette seats. Some of the 752 fleet has the old-new seats (no adj headrest) which is bad on the back of the head, but good on the body. The rest of the 752 fleet has the new-new seats (with adj headrest) which is good on the back of the head but feels like cardboard everywhere else.

PLEASE give us comfortable new seats! The IAH-ANC haul this weekend would have been nicer!

I hear you!!! I prefer the seats on our 753s as opposed to the 752s. No one ever asks for our input.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2007-01-04 19:08:38 and read 6280 times.

Not being an avid follower of everything happening with US carriers, might I ask, does this put Continental a step (or indeed perhaps a leap) ahead of its US based SkyTeam partners, Delta and Northwest, or do they already have similar plans?

It always irks me when you choose to fly an alliance, only to find varying levels of service and amenities amongs members.

Thanks

Shamu

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Logos
Posted 2007-01-04 19:13:47 and read 6262 times.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 12):
does this put Continental a step (or indeed perhaps a leap) ahead of its US based SkyTeam partners, Delta and Northwest

Possibly a step ahead of Delta's new domestic product and a giant leap ahead of Northwest.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: CB777
Posted 2007-01-04 19:19:47 and read 6232 times.

Is the B767-400 going to be outfitted with avod in coach eventually?

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ATLflyer
Posted 2007-01-04 19:32:23 and read 6171 times.

Will Continental install new seats on the 777s too or just the 757s?

This sounds like some AVOD...with 250 movies! Delta I think will have 40 or 50...I wonder how Delta will respond?

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-04 19:32:35 and read 6171 times.

Well, I suppose they can do this with only new seatbacks and new armrests, but at that point, you might as well put in a new seat entirely.

There are two CO 757 seats I've seen, neither is horrible nor good in my opinion. Some have the slide forward 753 design.

One reason the seats on the 753 might seem nicer is that they have 1" more pitch?

Quoting Logos (Reply 13):
Possibly a step ahead of Delta's new domestic product and a giant leap ahead of Northwest.

Compared to the awful lowback DL seats on their non-upgraded 757s and the no-IFE at all on the NW narrowbodies, it puts CO ahead on SOME planes of their Skyteammates.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-04 19:37:26 and read 6159 times.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 15):
Will Continental install new seats on the 777s too or just the 757s?

No need. They already have PTVs and handheld controllers. Just need to wire both to a new system. They could replace the screens with new touch screens, but they don't HAVE to do that...

In the 757s, the seats have nothing in the seatback, and some of the seats are the thin style that couldn't even be retrofitted with a screen if there were room. The traytables also probably (probably) close too high to make room for a PTV screen. These seats have an airphone in the center of each row, covered up by a dummy panel right now since they discontinued the airphone service.

We'll see whether they get a whole new seat or can be modified. I assume the 757 system will be touch screen.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: AKelley728
Posted 2007-01-04 19:39:06 and read 6145 times.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Our crew rest will be in the overhead compartment at 3R

I've been out of the loop for awhile and this is the first I've heard of this. I assume this will be installed on the new 777 coming in March, and it'll be installed on the rest of the 777 fleet, correct? What is the installation schedule for the rest of the fleet?

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 19:40:10 and read 6136 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
We'll see whether they get a whole new seat or can be modified.

I just hope that those in charge listen to people like you. They never listen to the employees. It would be prudent and wise to listen to the traveller.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ATLflyer
Posted 2007-01-04 19:45:36 and read 6119 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
No need. They already have PTVs and handheld controllers. Just need to wire both to a new system. They could replace the screens with new touch screens, but they don't HAVE to do that...

In the 757s, the seats have nothing in the seatback, and some of the seats are the thin style that couldn't even be retrofitted with a screen if there were room. The traytables also probably (probably) close too high to make room for a PTV screen. These seats have an airphone in the center of each row, covered up by a dummy panel right now since they discontinued the airphone service.

We'll see whether they get a whole new seat or can be modified. I assume the 757 system will be touch screen.

I hope they put in touch-screens or remotes like EK has. It seems like they would have to do one or the other...

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: CJAContinental
Posted 2007-01-04 19:51:04 and read 6090 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Their international product needs this going forward.

Yeah it should boost continentals international revenue at IAH. Then we should finally see most of the customs desks in Terminal E, and the new immigrations terminal finally get used at IAH. When I've been, there have been about 6 desks open, and about 74 shut!!

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Iahflyr
Posted 2007-01-04 20:50:40 and read 5983 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
We'll see whether they get a whole new seat or can be modified. I assume the 757 system will be touch screen.

Yep, B752's were touch, both of ours you had to touch very lightly and right in the middle of the icon or nothing happened.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-01-04 20:56:40 and read 5961 times.

Quoting Logos (Reply 13):

Totaly agree. I flew on a 752 in Jun and the only thing to complain was headrest. The seats are nice to me. FYI, it was a wingletless ship.

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Venezuela747
Posted 2007-01-04 21:37:01 and read 5870 times.

Can someone tell me what exactly is AVOD? I feel like an idiot...I have been around this forum for way too long and I dont know what is.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EI787
Posted 2007-01-04 21:38:17 and read 5862 times.

Audio Video On Demand. Basically you can pause, rewind etc. what you're watching!

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-04 21:43:47 and read 6002 times.

My out on a limb guess is that the 752s (and later 739ER and 738s) will have touch screens as will all new deliveries going forward, including the new 777s.

But they mention games, and I'm not sure how you play games on a touch screen. I'd hate to be the person who's head is being banged on by a kid tapping the screen to play a game...

The older 777s (and eventually the 764s but probably not the 762s) will use the controller already installed in every seat. The BF cabin of the 777 may get a new larger widescreen touchscreen, though. But again, just a guess...

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 22):
Yep, B752's were touch, both of ours you had to touch very lightly and right in the middle of the icon or nothing happened.

I've flown on one 752 in BF with the AVOD, and it was a pit picky, but once I got used to being more accurate, it was simple.

I would bet the thinking here is that a mispress will lead you to a new page, which takes time and computing resources to draw, and then you'll need to go back. But a non-press is faster, as you just try to press it again.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2007-01-04 22:34:13 and read 5886 times.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 15):
This sounds like some AVOD...with 250 movies! Delta I think will have 40 or 50...I wonder how Delta will respond?

this is good news for CO..... however, I'm not sure that very many customers will know or care which airline has 50 or 250. even 10 AVOD movies is alot of choice compared w/ what existed a few years ago. the power of digital entertainment is that you can have as much as you are willing to spend on memory and processing speed.

the biggest onboard purchase drivers are friendly flight attendants, comfortable seats, and decent food (at least in business class on int'l).

given that CO for the most part rates fairly well in these categories, this is good for CO's passengers and US airlines which often lag their int'l counterparts in onboard product quality.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 22:37:31 and read 5879 times.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 27):
this is good news for CO..... however, I'm not sure that very many customers will know or care which airline has 50 or 250. even 10 AVOD movies is alot of choice compared w/ what existed a few years ago. the power of digital entertainment is that you can have as much as you are willing to spend on memory and processing speed.

Exactly. What people want is good service and something to help them pass the time on long flights. Regardless of airline involved.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2007-01-04 23:13:08 and read 5808 times.

I agree totally with the last two posts; respect.

However, in this current climate of partnerships, alliances and code shares, one expects a certain ammount of continuity amongst the participants.

I give you an example, perhaps extreme. I travelled MAN-CDG-PVG in biz. There was no availability whatsoever on my own carrier (VS) for staff travel.

Having travelled on Air France in Biz a fair few times, I knew what to expect.

However, my CDG-PVG happened to be on China Eastern, with an AF ticket.

What a complete nightmare; meals served at the gate because we had boarded (crew knew there was 3 a hour delay, but boarded hoping for an improvement.) Waited nearly 4 hours at the gate. No meals until breakfast 9 1/2 hours later. No 'raid the larder'. No Champagne or even Cava. Woken after 6 hours to join in with the cabin crew who were doing inflight aerobics at the front of each cabin with the on screen video; it was as ridiculous as it was hysterically funny. No priority boarding or deboarding. Luggage came out last - I thought I was in Manchester !

So, where I agree to a certain extent with your sentiments, if I were to book a ticket exclusively on SkyTeam or a ticket with what turns out to be a code share, I expect, quite rightly, to receive the service the carrier on my ticket provides.

Am I at odds with the flying public, or is this a general expectation?

Shamu

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 23:18:17 and read 5783 times.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 29):
However, in this current climate of partnerships, alliances and code shares, one expects a certain ammount of continuity amongst the participants.

I know this is off topic, but this seems to be the one consistency - inconsistency. The alliances need to be more streamlined this way. It is an expectation level that is not being met. At any alliance.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Drerx7
Posted 2007-01-04 23:18:25 and read 5781 times.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 29):
Am I at odds with the flying public, or is this a general expectation?

Ideally that would be the expectation...but logistically I believe it would be a near impossibility.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2007-01-04 23:22:24 and read 5765 times.

Again, I agree with the last two posts, but don't each and every alliance market themseves as providers of a seamless service, and isn't this why Aer Lingus no longer fits into OneWorld?

Are the public being conned ?!

Shamu

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2007-01-04 23:29:36 and read 5749 times.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 32):
Are the public being conned ?!

Probably to some degree. AF doesn't have to be the same as CO. UA doesn't have to be the same as NZ. AA doesn't need to be the same as BA. But, a traveller needs to have an expectation level to be met regardless of who they fly and if they fly within the same alliance.

Service shouldn't be identical. It is was sets airlines apart, regardless of alliance. What sets them together should be the expectation of the same degree of the level of service. Especially if you are dealing with airlines within the same alliance.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Cory6188
Posted 2007-01-04 23:30:11 and read 5740 times.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 29):
However, in this current climate of partnerships, alliances and code shares, one expects a certain ammount of continuity amongst the participants.

Honestly, beyond ticketing and being able to get boarding passes for multiple flights on different airlines at one airport, I think that most partnerships and alliance are a total farce as far as actual in-flight synergy goes. Take a look at NW and CO, for example. NW doesn't offer IFE anywhere within the United States, they don't serve any meals (BOB only), they don't have eliteAccess boarding lanes like CO does, etc. I'm not saying that one is right and one is wrong; they're just different, and I think that marketing under the whole "SkyTeam" banner is about the only thing that unites the two carriers.

The only example I can think of that is a true representation of two united carriers are NW and KL, which have a common name for their J product, World Business Class, and share significant amounts of revenue. But honestly, that's about the only one I think deserves to be called a true "alliance." Everything else is just a code-share.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-05 00:26:05 and read 5651 times.

It's an interesting discussion, so interesting we should start a real thread about it.

"Alliances - are common standards being upheld?"

Or something like that. We'd get more input from people who aren't reading this thread because they may not give a rats ass about CO and their AVOD...  Wink

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: JamesJimlb
Posted 2007-01-05 01:25:52 and read 5533 times.

what about the 737-800? (domestic)

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: FlyDreamliner
Posted 2007-01-05 01:46:27 and read 5486 times.

CO is really shaping itself up in terms of its product quality, as such as to be competitive with many of the finer airlines around the world. While their business class may not be opulent, the service is good, prompt, efficient, and effective, and the amenities are there. It's more of an all business feel to it, but that is appreciated by many of CO's patrons. A comfortable seat, good entertainment options, efficient and courteous service that isn't too over the top, and enjoyable food I think is more or less what many American travelers are looking for. Having nice entertainment, a laptop port, and a comfortable seat - as well as service that is there when I need them and leaves me alone when I don't means a lot more to me than having my rear end kissed.

In my opinion, CO is on the money for developing the product. Their 777 flying their more important and higher market routes (EWR-HKG and their LHR routes, for instance) need to be up to snuff to compete, and with the 757s flying mostly transcons and increasingly transatlantic service, this is an important upgrade to make them competitive with other airline's widebodies.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 12):
Not being an avid follower of everything happening with US carriers, might I ask, does this put Continental a step (or indeed perhaps a leap) ahead of its US based SkyTeam partners, Delta and Northwest, or do they already have similar plans?

It always irks me when you choose to fly an alliance, only to find varying levels of service and amenities amongs members.

Very true. I wish the alliances were drawn more along the lines of quality of service. While Star Alliance, for instance, has a number of airlines offering some of the best service in their markets, UA is somewhat middle of the pack for the US, as is US, whereas CO is the pack leader in the US for product quality in many cases. On skyteam, the domestic service you'd get on CO compared to NW is night and day. You have to be careful, I guess.

I was looking at a flight that had a leg from ORD-LHR on OneWorld. Some were operated on an AA 772ER, others on a BA 772ER. Needless to say, I would prefer the service on one of them more than the other.

Quoting Logos (Reply 13):
Possibly a step ahead of Delta's new domestic product and a giant leap ahead of Northwest.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ATLflyer
Posted 2007-01-05 01:59:14 and read 5440 times.

Since the press release doesn't say anything about a "touch-screen", I think that they will all have remotes (which is just as good). This is great to see! I wonder if they will stick with fabric seats or switch to leather? Do BA and SQ have fabric or leather?

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: FUN2FLY
Posted 2007-01-05 02:08:09 and read 5434 times.

FlyDreamliner: (EWR-HKG and their LHR routes, for instance)

CO only flies to LGW!

Anyhow, with these upgrades, and those coming in 2008 (30 aircraft) and 2009 (33 aircraft), CO will have clearly the best fleet of any US major airline in terms of age, entertainment, and passenger amenities. Certainly better than US, NW for sure.

Can't wait until the new features of the 787-8 are released in 2009!

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: ARGinLON
Posted 2007-01-05 04:45:09 and read 5260 times.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 38):
Do BA and SQ have fabric or leather?

BA is fabric.

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-05 05:25:54 and read 5204 times.

I hope it's all remote control based on the 757 in Y, as that would certainly demand a new seat, and it would mean nobody pushing on the back of my head while I'm asleep.

In BF on the 757, the system is already touchscreen though, so we'll see.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 38):
I wonder if they will stick with fabric seats or switch to leather?

I would not want to be on leather seats for 7-15 hours. Durable leather puts a lot of stress on your skin (even through your clothes), softer leather can't hold up to the stresses of constant abuse...

Topic: RE: CO To Install Avod On 757 And 777
Username: CPH757
Posted 2007-01-05 15:38:49 and read 5031 times.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 34):

Honestly, beyond ticketing and being able to get boarding passes for multiple flights on different airlines at one airport, I think that most partnerships and alliance are a total farce as far as actual in-flight synergy goes. Take a look at NW and CO, for example. NW doesn't offer IFE anywhere within the United States, they don't serve any meals (BOB only), they don't have eliteAccess boarding lanes like CO does, etc. I'm not saying that one is right and one is wrong; they're just different, and I think that marketing under the whole "SkyTeam" banner is about the only thing that unites the two carriers.

Well, but isn't basically getting efficient ticketing and through boarding passes, luggage checked in all the way, earning/spending miles what the alliances market themselves on? I have never heard Skyteam advertise with a consistent in-flight or service experience. Sure it would be nice to know, but rather impossible, and I think it's hard to blame the alliance. It's after all not the purpose of the alliance.

There is no other way as a customer than to research the market. It's basically the same as when you buy a telephone subscription or a pack of meat in the supermarket  Smile

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 29):
However, my CDG-PVG happened to be on China Eastern, with an AF ticket.

What a complete nightmare; meals served at the gate because we had boarded (crew knew there was 3 a hour delay, but boarded hoping for an improvement.) Waited nearly 4 hours at the gate. No meals until breakfast 9 1/2 hours later. No 'raid the larder'. No Champagne or even Cava. Woken after 6 hours to join in with the cabin crew who were doing inflight aerobics at the front of each cabin with the on screen video; it was as ridiculous as it was hysterically funny. No priority boarding or deboarding. Luggage came out last - I thought I was in Manchester !

hehe, Chinese airlines are amazing. Sometimes they rule, sometime they suck. Inconsistency is the keyword. On longhaul though, their service are quite consistently inferior to almost any alternative. But that the flight is operated by MU, would be quite easy to discover, at least when booking directly with AF.


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