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Topic: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2007-01-18 19:11:23 and read 33310 times.

Quote:
Boeing has revealed the interior design of the recently-launched 747-8 Intercontinental in a newly-completed two-deck mock-up of the door two entryway area at the company’s Customer Experience Center in Renton, Washington...

...The centrepiece of the mock-up is the redesigned stairway which, although in approximately the same location by door two, now features a stylized spiral opening and open area at the aft part of the top deck...



http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-boeing-unveils-interiors-at.html

[Edited 2007-01-18 19:16:54]

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: V1valarob
Posted 2007-01-18 19:35:31 and read 33151 times.

I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft. Yes, it looks great inside, and I would love to fly in it. But every airline chooses their own layout. I would rather see pictures from the airlines directly about what they plan for the layout as that will be what you really get. As far as I know there is no boeing airlines  Wink .

-Rob

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: LY777
Posted 2007-01-18 19:36:28 and read 33115 times.

the interior is really superb!!!I can't wait to fly on a 748I!!!

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Airfoilsguy
Posted 2007-01-18 19:46:50 and read 32975 times.

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft

It is rather pointless. At least Boeing is not claiming that they are going to but workout rooms, saunas, and other assorted nonsense into there aircraft. It reminds me of car manufactures and their prototypes.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: N328KF
Posted 2007-01-18 19:50:59 and read 32937 times.

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft. Yes, it looks great inside, and I would love to fly in it. But every airline chooses their own layout. I would rather see pictures from the airlines directly about what they plan for the layout as that will be what you really get. As far as I know there is no boeing airlines Wink .

There are aspects that people want to see. With the 787, it was the larger windows, the wider cabin (due to thinner ribs), and the new lighting.

With the 747-8, it will be the larger (relative to the 747-400) windows, the 787 lighting, the new staircase, etc.

It is also important for to be able to show a customer the interior and have them imagine their particular interior fittings in place.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-01-18 19:55:20 and read 32876 times.

What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-18 19:56:39 and read 32847 times.

The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-18 20:00:25 and read 32794 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

It is not going to be used as a public space. Boeing was serious, but no airline took it seriously.

The loft will now be used for galley and crew rest space, which frees up the equivalent of at least 2 rows of Y on the main deck, and possibly more depending on how much activity an airline transfers to the loft (cart storage only vs a working cooking galley, etc.)

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: V1valarob
Posted 2007-01-18 20:07:55 and read 32710 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...

Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats.

-Rob

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Airfoilsguy
Posted 2007-01-18 20:10:46 and read 32654 times.

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 8):
Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats

If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-18 20:23:04 and read 32525 times.

Leelaw, thank you for starting this thread. I am particularly impressed by the "blue pools of light" for the ceiling of the aircraft; they really do suggest the vast spaces of the open skies and have, paradoxically, both a calming and an exhilarating effect at the same time.

I recognize that Boeing can only suggest concepts for airlines to implement at their option, but the fact that the newest model of the 747 offers such a versatile canvas for interior design and passenger delight has great appeal to me. Let's hope that airlines that purchase what promises to be the best 747 of all find some way to bring some of these imaginative, yet practical, ideas to life.

[Edited 2007-01-18 20:49:06]

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-18 20:36:08 and read 32373 times.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Or a knotted rope.  Smile


Also, some of these interior fittings will probably carry over to actual in-service 747-8's, even if items like seating are different. Kind of like the "Signature Series" interiors Boeing developed for their other widebody models/families in things like bins, lighting, and such.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zeke
Posted 2007-01-18 20:39:51 and read 32342 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...

AFAIK no evacuation test has been done on the upper deck of a 747 for a long time, if I recall correctly when initially certified only a very small number of people (maybe about 15 or so on the 747-100) were evacuated in the spiral staircase in the actual certification test. I dont think the upper deck slides were actually tested via an evacuation test.

The stretched upper deck to my understanding has never been through a certification test, nor is it likely even going to need one if it continues with grandfather rights off the 747-100.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-18 20:41:31 and read 32311 times.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Someone beat me to the knotted rope answer.  Smile

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Also, some of these interior fittings will probably carry over to actual in-service 747-8's, even if items like seating are different.

Actually, the pictures they show are all of the aspects that are not user definable and are value added UPGRADES to the 744:

-Larger 777/764 windows
-New 787 bins without modifying the 744 structure
-New wider open stair in traditional location

And so these pictures and the physical mockup are very important and aren't really fluff at all. The seats in the pictures are only representative of what you could do, but they show scale and headroom, both important to visualize.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-01-18 20:45:16 and read 32257 times.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3):
At least Boeing is not claiming that they are going to but workout rooms, saunas, and other assorted nonsense into there aircraft.


Boeing did propose the skyloft with a computer station and space for other things that can be seen in earlier proposals. Never heard of a sauna on a plane though!

Quote:
The new SkyLoft area on the upper deck of the 747-8 Intercontinental gives operators the choice between additional main-deck seats or the opportunity to create a unique passenger experience through personal suites, a lounge or a business center.

www.boeing.com

Earlier interior concepts can be seen here (page 23):

http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/f...tions/RT%20747-8%20Farnborough.pdf

Overall the the 748i interior looks good. Like a 777 with A380 style entrance area.

[Edited 2007-01-18 20:48:27]

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-18 20:50:40 and read 32184 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
AFAIK no evacuation test has been done on the upper deck of a 747 for a long time, if I recall correctly when initially certified only a very small number of people (maybe about 15 or so on the 747-100) were evacuated in the spiral staircase in the actual certification test. I dont think the upper deck slides were actually tested via an evacuation test.

Boeing would have had to certify a "maximum capacity" model, which I guess would have been something like a 747SR model used in the Japanese home markets.

Such a config would would have packed a good deal more people into it then even a 747-8I configured for 40" Business Class upper deck would hold and as such might mean that Boeing no longer needs to perform tests until the total capacity exceeds that original limit.

Just as a stretched A380-900 would probably not to have to run a new evac test unless an airline wished to install more then 853(?) seats.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zeke
Posted 2007-01-18 20:53:27 and read 32166 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):

Boeing would have had to certify a "maximum capacity" model, which I guess would have been something like a 747SR model used in the Japanese home markets.

Not to my knowledge, they got a letter from the FAA saying when installing an additional pair of a type of door (I think it was type A) an additional 110 pax can be carried.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: FlyDreamliner
Posted 2007-01-18 20:53:45 and read 32167 times.

Boeing needs press like this to further associate 747-8i with being connected to 787 Dreamliner, to show that it is modern and innovative, as opposed to just being a worked over 747-400. They fight an uphill battle in that department.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

The airlines rejected, not a good enough use of space, it appears.

At least 747-8i isn't pitching crazy ideas like Airbus did with A380... my two favorites I saw were that you could include a Casino and a small synagogue in the A380... pitched at different airlines, of course.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
Quoting V1valarob (Reply 8):
Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats

If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Hahaha, depending which airline.... if ryanair ever operated it.... it might be more like, a pole you slide down... or climb up.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Centrair
Posted 2007-01-18 21:12:34 and read 31992 times.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
if ryanair ever operated it.... it might be more like, a pole you slide down... or climb up.

next to the advertisement covered high-tech lightweight milk boxes with rope seatbelts

As for the loft.
As a space for pax...doomed to failure. Paxs sit in seats and then go up there to eat, have business meetings or rest in suites during the flight. In an emergency where you need to get people into regular seats again could be a nightmare. If 20 or 30 people are in that loft and you hit some good turbulence, they have to go back to regular seats. If their seats were on the main deck, that is 20 or 30 people going down the one stairs to the main deck. (or was there another set of stairs)

Put carts and crew up there.
Taking the crew rest out of the tail makes space for another lav in the back.
That would be a nice crew rest. No fighting over the limited bedding.
Use extra space for more C or Y.

Would leaving much of the loft empty be better economically? (lighter)

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-18 21:18:41 and read 31930 times.

I don't understand the thinking behind the open space next to the stairs. That is now valuable closet space. The only thing it would seem to be good for is emergency evacuation of other peoples' screaming babies.  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BoomBoom
Posted 2007-01-18 21:19:31 and read 31929 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Or a knotted rope.

If you left off the knots, you could save a little weight.  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Solnabo
Posted 2007-01-18 21:22:36 and read 31877 times.

Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Micke//  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-18 21:55:06 and read 31677 times.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 21):
Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Well I'd hope that be the case since that other a/c holds a good deal more people upstairs.  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2007-01-18 23:11:57 and read 31078 times.

I can't wait to fly the 747-8!

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: FlyDreamliner
Posted 2007-01-18 23:21:46 and read 30758 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 21):
Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Well I'd hope that be the case since that other a/c holds a good deal more people upstairs. Wink

Why even put stairs on the A380? Upstairs is premium, has its own boarding area, own jet bridge, etc. downstairs is steerage, just heard all the nice people on through the 'other' jet bridge... it's like too separate airplanes. Heck, you could put two airlines on one plane... upstairs is Privatair, downstairs is Southwest!

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):
Put carts and crew up there.
Taking the crew rest out of the tail makes space for another lav in the back.
That would be a nice crew rest. No fighting over the limited bedding.
Use extra space for more C or Y.

perhaps it would be more convenient to put the crew rest up in there, but it seems to work well enough in the tail, and you could probably at least put galley space upstairs, make more room on the main deck, or us the space upstairs for more C/J seating, like you said.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):

Would leaving much of the loft empty be better economically? (lighter)

My guess is putting additional seats up there, if possible, if not, move as much of the galley type stuff up there as possible would clear more space for seating, lavs, and closet space on the main deck. The goal is use as much space on the plane for seating and pax related paraphernalia as is possible.

Why not put in a bowling alley upstairs, or maybe a big hot tub, maybe a bocce ball court, hahaha.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2007-01-18 23:25:34 and read 30598 times.

Thse models need help! In the pic posted in this thread I think the conversation between the two people goes something like

Old Man "I have never seen such a sophisticated woman as you...how about having dinner with me in Frankfurt" (Because we know LH is buying the 748!)
Woman "No thanks, I don't dine with those in the Riff Raff Class"
Man " But you don't understand, I am an A.nutter"
Woman " well in that case, wanna join me in my sky suite"

 Big grin

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-18 23:25:38 and read 31101 times.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 24):
Why even put stairs on the A380? Upstairs is premium, has its own boarding area, own jet bridge, etc. downstairs is steerage, just heard all the nice people on through the 'other' jet bridge... it's like too separate airplanes. Heck, you could put two airlines on one plane... upstairs is Privatair, downstairs is Southwest!

 Smile

The real answer as to why they have a staircase is, I imagine, evacuation issues.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-19 00:04:53 and read 29947 times.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 24):
Why even put stairs on the A380? Upstairs is premium, has its own boarding area, own jet bridge, etc.

Most gates from which WhaleJets will operate will not have a jetbridge for upstairs.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Smashme33
Posted 2007-01-19 00:12:20 and read 29718 times.

I dunno...I still like regular flying on regular 'ol planes like the dc-9. Flying itself is luxury enough.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Alaskaqantas
Posted 2007-01-19 01:36:21 and read 27969 times.

Great to see this!

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
As far as I know there is no boeing airlines

there use to be... then a few airlines merged and the result is now called United Airlines.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3):
It reminds me of car manufactures and their prototypes.

hehe, I always thought that the way the A380 was telling you all of these things that could be used in their aircrafts, that would never really even be in them, was kind of like a used car sells man.

“It’s like the Porsche 911 - there’s such equity in the name and that’s the spirit in which we’re approaching this,” adds Brauer."
Wonder how much Boeing got paid to say that  Wink

"the change to the more open architecture is possible because of the increased bin storage space in the -8 design."
hmmm sounds like a good idea to me.. I always hit my head on the overhead bins on the 747 upperdeck, so more room is always welcomed!

I can't wait for more airlines to look into this plane!
(are there any pictures more pictures? or are those three it?)
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: N231YE
Posted 2007-01-19 01:46:42 and read 27768 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
AFAIK no evacuation test has been done on the upper deck of a 747 for a long time, if I recall correctly when initially certified only a very small number of people (maybe about 15 or so on the 747-100) were evacuated in the spiral staircase in the actual certification test. I dont think the upper deck slides were actually tested via an evacuation test.

I may be missing something, or the test was recently modified not to long ago: on the 777-200 (basic model), the aircraft was certified to carry [I can't remember the exact numbers-so please forgive me] 249 passengers. The airplane was originally designed to carry 250, but one passenger was injured in the initial test, thus the reduction in the initial certification. I remember the documentary said that if an airline ever wanted 250 or more seats, another round of tests must occur in order to be re-certified for more capacity.

That being said, why would the 747 be exempt?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Vasu
Posted 2007-01-19 01:54:51 and read 27593 times.

So... do they plan to put galleys up in the loft??

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: ZKSUJ
Posted 2007-01-19 01:54:59 and read 27592 times.

Nice pic, but would be interesting to see what the cabin is actually like when it enteres commercial service. My bet is for rows and rows of seats as oppoesd to what looks like a lounging 'meet and greet' area  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2007-01-19 02:10:24 and read 27292 times.

Lets face it, the 747 has been the world flying QE2 for 36 years. The most luxurious airplanes have been the 744 in each airline having them. Who would have thought of First Class suits and lie-flat business seats 15 years ago. The new Singapore airlines premuim classes have changed it again, what will they do with the A380.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-19 02:31:38 and read 26915 times.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 32):
My bet is for rows and rows of seats as oppoesd to what looks like a lounging 'meet and greet' area

That lounging area you speak of is not really at all, as that's a very wide angle lens they are using. It's the door 2 entrance and crossover. Some airlines already do put a bar there on the 744 like VS, others put a little table where midflight snacks and drinks are kept out for J pax, etc., but otherwise there were be a galley or something similar.

Now, the 3 abreast leather seats in the pic showing the windows looks interesting. The seats look wider than 17.2" between armrests, so is that part of a 3-3-3 layout in Y+ or something? The world may never know...

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-19 03:04:52 and read 26336 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 34):
Now, the 3 abreast leather seats in the pic showing the windows looks interesting. The seats look wider than 17.2" between armrests, so is that part of a 3-3-3 layout in Y+ or something? The world may never know...

I'm offering 10 to 1 odds that they used small models to make the seats look larger.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-19 03:13:38 and read 26177 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 35):
I'm offering 10 to 1 odds that they used small models to make the seats look larger.

I've got a pretty good eye for dimensions, and those seats just don't look like the 17.2" wide seats I'm used to seeing on CO narrowbodies. I at first thought they used skinny models, but looking again, I really think it's a combination of both things. After all, Y+ is becoming common on the 747 and it is usually 3-3-3 or 2-4-2.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-19 03:18:47 and read 26083 times.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 30):
I may be missing something, or the test was recently modified not to long ago: on the 777-200 (basic model), the aircraft was certified to carry [I can't remember the exact numbers-so please forgive me] 249 passengers. The airplane was originally designed to carry 250, but one passenger was injured in the initial test, thus the reduction in the initial certification. I remember the documentary said that if an airline ever wanted 250 or more seats, another round of tests must occur in order to be re-certified for more capacity.

250 passengers is far too low for an evacuation limit test for a 777-200.

The actual figure is 440 for the 777-200 family and 550 for the 777-300 family.

(See Page 7 and 12, respectively, of http://www.easa.eu.int/doc/Certifica...03%20Boeing%20777%20Issue%204.pdf)

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: ZKNBX
Posted 2007-01-19 06:11:50 and read 23750 times.

Is there an internal cabin layout showing seating and galleys, exits etc (as for the 787) available anywhere?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-01-19 06:17:09 and read 23693 times.

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 38):
Is there an internal cabin layout showing seating and galleys, exits etc (as for the 787) available anywhere?

For the 748i, take a look in the Airport Compatibility Brochure here:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7478brochure.pdf
and for the 788, here:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/787sec2.pdf

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-19 06:24:08 and read 23589 times.

In the following, the main entrance area looks almost like a hotel lobby; the perspective taken makes it look enormous.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...007/photorelease/q1/070118a_lg.jpg

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-01-19 06:30:48 and read 23537 times.

Some extra shots of the interior can be seen here:
http://boeingmedia.com/

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2007-01-19 08:05:20 and read 22608 times.



Boeing Press Release:

SEATTLE, Jan. 18, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today unveiled a life-size sales display of the interior for the new 747-8 Intercontinental. The two-story display showcases the dramatic interior architecture of the 747-8.

The 747-8 applies interior features from the 787 Dreamliner that includes a new curved, upswept architecture giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings. The interior architecture is accentuated by new lighting technology that creates a perception of airy brightness and provides smooth lighting transitions to offer a more restful environment.

In addition, the 747-8 integrates features from the 777, including windows that equal those on the 777 (15.3 inches/38.8 centimeters tall and 10.76 inches/27.3 centimeters wide), and are larger than those on the 747-400.

"The 747 family's unique interior and structural design have provided passengers with memorable flying experiences for decades," said Dan Mooney, vice president, 747/747-8 Program. "By incorporating 787-style interior features, the new 747-8 Intercontinental will provide a significantly enhanced passenger experience. Passengers will know they are on a brand new airplane the moment they step on board the 747-8, and will experience a whole new way to fly."

Door two, where passengers normally enter a 747, represents the most noticeable change from the 747-400. The welcoming entryway features a dramatic sweeping staircase leading to the upper deck.

"The new entryway will greatly enhance the passenger appeal and create a strong first impression," said Doug Ackerman, engineering interior team leader for the 747-8. "However, the entryway provides more than just aesthetic appeal. It also was designed to facilitate improved passenger flow during boarding and deplaning."

The 1,750-square-foot (533-square-meter) sales display, located at the Boeing Customer Experience Center in Renton, Wash., focuses on the airplane's door-two entryway, staircase and upper deck. It also highlights the business-class section forward of the entryway and economy class aft of the entryway.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q1/070118a_nr.html

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Jbernie
Posted 2007-01-19 08:37:29 and read 22132 times.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 20):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Or a knotted rope.

If you left off the knots, you could save a little weight.

Oh you are being ridiculous, everyone knows you can just have a short rope or no rope at all, if you cant jump up and reach the rope or the floor of the upper level you can't sit up there  Smile

Alternately, i hear there are a few pogo sticks looking for a new home  Smile Smile

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: JumpJet
Posted 2007-01-19 15:17:25 and read 17789 times.

Where's the Jacuzzi and Bowling Alley then?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-01-19 15:55:26 and read 17163 times.

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):

I agree with you. I wish they would show LH's plan for their 748I.

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Incitatus
Posted 2007-01-19 16:32:56 and read 16532 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
I am particularly impressed by the "blue pools of light" for the ceiling of the aircraft; they really do suggest the vast spaces of the open skies and have, paradoxically, both a calming and an exhilarating effect at the same time.

However, for the vast majority of travelers the 747-8i will feel nothing short of tight sardine can. I am a fan of Boeing but these interior studies are just BS.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: FlyDreamliner
Posted 2007-01-19 17:46:43 and read 15299 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 27):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 24):
Why even put stairs on the A380? Upstairs is premium, has its own boarding area, own jet bridge, etc.

Most gates from which WhaleJets will operate will not have a jetbridge for upstairs.

perhaps this is just me, but that would make boarding and deplaning terrible. Think of how long it would take to get roughly 200 people potentially up the stairs! God know, some people bring carryons they have great difficulty getting in/out of the overhead bins, and now you want to move 200 people upstairs? Sounds like it would move very slowly.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: EbbUK
Posted 2007-01-19 17:49:20 and read 15298 times.

The only place to be on the 747 is the upper deck, peace and quiet. Far too cramped in economy.

The 380 promises to change that when it enters service.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-19 17:59:16 and read 15129 times.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 48):
The only place to be on the 747 is the upper deck, peace and quiet.

I agree. I prefer the LH practice of putting F upstairs to the SQ practice of putting F in the nose -- except that I more often fly in C.  Smile

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-19 18:50:19 and read 14224 times.

I look forward to flying on the famous upper deck of the 747, as I have never done so. It would appear to be a unique experience.

Even never having flown in that manner, I can certainly appreciate the romanticism of it.

By the way, it appears that on the U.S. Air Force's V-25A, otherwise known as "Air Force One" when the President of the United States flies aboard it, the President's bedroom is supposedly located in the nose of the aircraft, on the lower level and forward of the cockpit. I wonder if this is because it's even quieter there?

[Edited 2007-01-19 18:51:30]

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Mir
Posted 2007-01-19 18:53:25 and read 14228 times.

Are they going to put the electric window tinting from the 787 on the 748?

-Mir

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BigMac
Posted 2007-01-19 20:10:21 and read 13570 times.

Here are 10 pics of the interior including the upper deck:
http://news.com.com/2300-1008_3-6151336-1.html?tag=ne.gall.pg





Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Jbernie
Posted 2007-01-20 00:14:47 and read 13209 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 50):
By the way, it appears that on the U.S. Air Force's V-25A, otherwise known as "Air Force One" when the President of the United States flies aboard it, the President's bedroom is supposedly located in the nose of the aircraft, on the lower level and forward of the cockpit. I wonder if this is because it's even quieter there?

I would be leaning more towards the fact that there is nothing you need to get to past the room. For the rest of the plane, at least if we assume some of the normal layout still exists by way of bathrooms at the rear, you would have reason to go by. That and you have all the riff raff (journos) back there. Gives the Pres some space away from the main areas.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-01-20 00:30:27 and read 13180 times.

Sorry but I cant see anything great about this ''revamped jumbo'' and these photos never look like whats on board anyway. The staircase is un inspiring.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2007-01-20 00:35:25 and read 13193 times.

"Inside the 747: Look, you're flying!"

Quote:
...Admittedly, not every concept on display will see service in the air.

The mock-up has a bar counter in the center of the entrance foyer that Brauer conceded will likely make way for revenue-producing seats in the real world.

But preserving the sense of space in the vertical dimension will be a sacrosanct part of Brauer's customer-satisfaction side.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...aerospace/2003531502_boeing19.html

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ha763
Posted 2007-01-20 05:44:20 and read 12863 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 50):
the President's bedroom is supposedly located in the nose of the aircraft, on the lower level and forward of the cockpit. I wonder if this is because it's even quieter there?

Because the upper deck is full of communication equipment and stations

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-20 06:00:12 and read 12833 times.

I appreciate everyone's replies regarding the VC-25A (Presidential 747). They make a lot of sense.

I've been looking at Internet information and photographs on the SkyLoft area made available exclusively on the 747-8I. It is truly amazing as a concept. I particularly enjoyed viewing Boeing's promotional video for the SkyLoft, which I'd already seen some months ago and yet still found interesting to see again moments ago. ( http://www.digg.com/design/Boeing_sh..._new_747-8_Skyloft_design_concepts )

The photographs of the main passenger areas posted and referenced in this thread continue to inspire, as well. Thank you all for providing them.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2007-01-20 06:03:23 and read 12823 times.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 30):
I may be missing something, or the test was recently modified not to long ago: on the 777-200 (basic model), the aircraft was certified to carry [I can't remember the exact numbers-so please forgive me] 249 passengers. The airplane was originally designed to carry 250, but one passenger was injured in the initial test, thus the reduction in the initial certification. I remember the documentary said that if an airline ever wanted 250 or more seats, another round of tests must occur in order to be re-certified for more capacity.

Considering most airlines have about 300 pax or more on a 777-200 this figure would be very low. I'd imagine the evac test figure would be more like 400+ for this aircraft and more again for the -300.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BigMac
Posted 2007-01-20 06:31:25 and read 12794 times.

Uuhhhmmmm... I have a question! I just noticed that the windows seem to be different on the upper (square) and lower deck (oval). Isn't it going to look weird? Why are they using two different shapes of windows? Are the windows on the current 747's different on the upper and lower deck?

Upper deck windows:




Lower deck windows:


Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Metroliner
Posted 2007-01-20 08:22:15 and read 12671 times.

looks pretty swish. the windows, certainly, are something boeing are getting right on cue.

still, whatever happened to the days when interiors of aircraft weren't touted to look like strip bars?


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Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: EbbUK
Posted 2007-01-20 09:39:56 and read 12567 times.

Quoting BigMac (Reply 52):
Here are 10 pics of the interior including the upper deck:

They still haven't got around the cramped 747 economy experience.

Didn't SQ rebuff Boeing's offer for 748s for this reason?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-20 09:54:50 and read 12553 times.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 61):
Didn't SQ rebuff Boeing's offer for 748s for this reason?

I think SQ's failure to buy the 747-8 SuperJumbo has more to do with already having WhaleJets on order and having invested a lot of marketing money promoting the WhaleJet.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: EbbUK
Posted 2007-01-20 10:06:06 and read 12528 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 62):
I think SQ's failure to buy the 747-8 SuperJumbo has more to do with already having WhaleJets on order and having invested a lot of marketing money promoting the WhaleJet.

So you see it as a failure to buy the 747-8 and not a rejection by SQ? Marketing money is rarely in excess of 10 million for a particular bird, hardly bleeding the bank dry?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-01-20 10:15:24 and read 12510 times.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 63):
So you see it as a failure to buy the 747-8 and not a rejection by SQ?

In 2001, when SQ bought their WhaleJets, that was a reasonable decision based on the information available at the time. I might even go out on a limb and say that it was the only reasonable decision SQ could have made at the time. Had the 747-8 been available for order at the time, I suspect SQ might have made a different decision.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 63):
Marketing money is rarely in excess of 10 million for a particular bird, hardly bleeding the bank dry?

It appears that SQ have spent more than GPB10M marketing the WhaleJet. Worse, they spent the money two years too early.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Leelaw
Posted 2007-01-20 22:00:33 and read 12127 times.

"Boeing putting the fun back in flying"

Quote:
...Boeing finished the 747-8 interior design mock-up in December and has hosted a customer summit to entice airlines into buying the $280 million plane. Germany's flagship carrier, Lufthansa, was the first to endorse the 747-8, agreeing to purchase at least 20.

The CEOs of airline companies have told Boeing that the snazzy interior "absolutely rocks," Brauer said. "They've just been blown away by the changes."

But some design elements in the mock-up may change as engineers figure out how to build the thing, Brauer said.

An engineering source familiar with the program said that although the interior has a lot of pleasing features, so far Boeing has not given the OK to spend enough to make those features a reality.

Alaska Airlines Chief Executive Bill Ayer said Thursday that people have lost their fascination with flying, and he likes Boeing's new design concepts, though he had not yet seen the 747-8 interior.

"I think they're onto something there," Ayer said. "Put the fun back into flying."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/300374_boeing19.html

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zeke
Posted 2007-01-20 22:16:32 and read 12078 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 62):
I think SQ's failure to buy the 747-8i has more to do with already having A380 Superjumbos on order and having invested a lot of marketing money promoting the A380 Superjumbos.

Couple of points ...

The 747 is an an old product, no general passenger knows the difference between a 747-200/3/4/8

SQ have said that the 747-8i has ZERO growth to their fleet with the new seating arrangements. Only need to look and see how the 772ER has basically the same number of seats with the 773ER despite a much larger, and more expensive airframe.

The 748i has zero credibility in the market place as being able to produce the economics it is promising, SQ, QF, LH and EK have access actual data from flight testing and technical route proving for the 380.

The 380 is providing a growth strategy beyond the 380-800, the same cannot be said for the 747-8i, it is seen as a dead horse, the last iteration of a 40 year old idea.

In short, SQ has not failed at all, they made an informed decision for their airline.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BoomBoom
Posted 2007-01-20 22:49:43 and read 11992 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 66):
The 748i has zero credibility in the market place as being able to produce the economics it is promising...

Then why did LH order 20 of them?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zeke
Posted 2007-01-20 23:22:24 and read 11928 times.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 67):

Then why did LH order 20 of them?

See their press release, I have no inside information.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-01-21 00:01:24 and read 11835 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 66):
The 748i has zero credibility in the market place as being able to produce the economics it is promising, SQ, QF, LH and EK have access actual data from flight testing and technical route proving for the 380.

If Airbus can sell the A388 on pure promises (because they had nothing other then computer models based on optimum data points), then I believe Boeing can sell (and has sold) the 747-8I using data extrapolated from four decades of in-service data from previous members of the 747 family.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 66):
The 380 is providing a growth strategy beyond the 380-800, the same cannot be said for the 747-8i, it is seen as a dead horse, the last iteration of a 40 year old idea.

Boeing could stretch the 747 at least once more in it's current form and keep it within the current 80'x80' "gate box". And they could stretch it even farther if they so wished, based on the 747-500 and 747-600 proposals. It may not be as effective as a stretched A380 (then again, it may), but it would be incorrect to claim the plane has no remaining growth left in it.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BoomBoom
Posted 2007-01-21 00:05:13 and read 11824 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 68):
See their press release, I have no inside information.

Then how do you know:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 66):
The 748i has zero credibility in the market place as being able to produce the economics it is promising,

Did LH get fooled?

From their press release:

Quote:
Wolfgang Mayrhuber continued: “With the orders for the highly modern B747-8, Lufthansa is setting standards. The Boeing B747-8 is more than just a derivative of the successful Boeing B747 series.“

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zippyjet
Posted 2007-01-21 00:42:25 and read 11736 times.

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft. Yes, it looks great inside, and I would love to fly in it. But every airline chooses their own layout.

True,but it's still cool to at least see a prototype: You get to see the lights, window shapes.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-21 01:55:02 and read 11627 times.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 66):
an old product, no general passenger knows the difference between a 747-200/3/4/8

It depends on the "general passenger", I think. If it's a general business passenger, I think that the rule is that he tends to be "savvy". A premium carrier that has usually flown 747-400's could certainly appeal to such a passenger by promising the best business (let alone first) class ever, and maybe even a SkyLoft, which would be a unique experience in that it would reflect not just one, but two "saved" places for a passenger -- the economy seat downstairs, and the heavenly personal suite upstairs usable between take-off and landing. Not even the A380 would have such a feature (such a passenger would have only one "saved" place on the aircraft, albeit a very impressive one).

The SkyLoft idea could ultimately turn out to be the focus of great appeal, even though right now it's experiencing a slow start.

But even in the absence of SkyLoft implementation, the most lucrative segment -- first class and business -- would probably be much more informed than the average traveler, and therefore significantly interested in the new Intercontinental.

One man's opinion.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zippyjet
Posted 2007-01-21 02:07:59 and read 11601 times.

http://www.airchive.com/Memorabilia/Boeing/INTRO707-2.jpg
http://www.airchive.com/Memorabilia/Boeing/INTRO707-2.jpg

http://www.airchive.com/Memorabilia/Boeing/707-9.jpg

Didn't get the chance to post these earlier; The actual airline interiors were not too far off and, dig those ancient fashions and back in the 50's, the old dressed up passengers. A super hoot!

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2007-01-21 02:08:17 and read 11610 times.

Here are additional pictures that I found on this website:

VG Nett

Here are couple examples:
http://www.airliners.net/uf/536902937/1169341418EF1k2E.bmp
http://www.airliners.net/uf/536902937/1169341569n4Tpx1.bmp
Note: These photos are courtesy of VG Nett and Boeing  Smile

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BoomBoom
Posted 2007-01-21 03:12:26 and read 11508 times.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 73):
A super hoot!

Love the Jackie Kenney look alike in pink.  smirk 

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Vasu
Posted 2007-01-21 04:21:22 and read 11373 times.

I love the small amounts of hand luggage shown in the old 707 picture!

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-21 04:22:23 and read 11367 times.

You've got to love how everyone is all dressed up in those 707 pictures. Flying used to be different.

However, there is quite a difference between the interiors in those pictures and the Intercontinental's model interior, which looks like something out of a science fiction movie by comparison.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: ORDRyan28
Posted 2007-01-21 04:28:01 and read 11357 times.

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 60):

still, whatever happened to the days when interiors of aircraft weren't touted to look like strip bars?

I honestly could not tell ya, but I prefer the "strip bar" style.  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: BoomBoom
Posted 2007-01-21 04:40:37 and read 11311 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 77):
You've got to love how everyone is all dressed up in those 707 pictures.

I would dress up now days if they would give me that much room.

Hot food would be nice too.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2007-01-21 04:56:23 and read 11276 times.

The 707's interior does look like all-Business Class by today's standards, doesn't it?

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Zippyjet
Posted 2007-01-21 05:29:30 and read 11238 times.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 79):
You've got to love how everyone is all dressed up in those 707 pictures.

As a kid, I remember we had to dress up to fly which even back in the pre-hippie era portion of the 60s. Especially when flying to and from Miami in August! Have and still loathe neckties even though it's part of our uniform. Again, a little impractical when being behind the ticket counter hurling bags on the belt. Many a time, we've had to free stuck bags/belt and I've always wondered about my tie getting stuck and pulling me into the belt machinery.

Of course, today, anything goes, a reflection of our society. The upside perk being spotting many young fit women wearing barley there clothing. Plenty of bouncing boobies and long luscious legs garnished with micro miniskirts and camel-toe revealing daisy duke shorty shorts. As long as you don't smell and, as long as you aren't a heifer wearing those skimpy threads; fly comfortable.

Not to get off topic but, I wish once and for all in this more anything goes society and global warming that neckties become as out as the mullet hair style and beehive hairdos.




sure as hell beats:

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: MD-90
Posted 2007-01-21 07:56:54 and read 11083 times.

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 78):
I honestly could not tell ya, but I prefer the "strip bar" style.

So does Superfly.

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: ORDRyan28
Posted 2007-01-21 08:33:29 and read 11035 times.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 81):
Zippyjet

Great photos, Zippyjet! I second those!  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-01-21 09:40:07 and read 10975 times.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 81):
sure as hell beats:

Put the women in the third picture into the outfits of the first two pictures, and you'd be singing a different tune...  Wink

Topic: RE: Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I
Username: LHStarAlliance
Posted 2007-01-21 09:51:09 and read 10945 times.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 81):

 cloudnine  Nice Pics!  crossfingers   laughing 


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