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Topic: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: LouA340
Posted 2007-02-08 22:39:03 and read 3091 times.

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North American and Virgin Nigeria have signed an agreement to cooperate on flights between the US and Africa. The first phase will see the airlines implementing an interline agreement whereby each will sell tickets on the other%u2019s network. North American will also support Virgin Nigeria%u2019s application to serve New York, where the latter would amend its application to serve the route using wet-leased aircraft. Once approval is granted, both airlines would codeshare on each other's flights.

http://www.africanflyer.com/2007/02/...and-virgin-nigeria-sign-agreement/

This is an interesting development. Virgin Nigeria seem very determined to get into USA. But its a good move on both sides especially for NAA because they can establish themselves a lot better before the likes of CO and DL eventually move in.

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Africawings
Posted 2007-02-08 23:26:50 and read 3022 times.

I disagree.

The US is adamant about keeping Branson (and Virgin Atlantic out) and they will see this as another smoke screen or back door into the US.

The better option is to start a truly Nigerian airline "Nigeria Airways anyone" that serves the US market.

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Thomasphoto60
Posted 2007-02-09 07:17:38 and read 2903 times.

Quoting Africawings (Reply 1):
The US is adamant about keeping Branson (and Virgin Atlantic out) and they will see this as another smoke screen or back door into the US

Really.....JFK, LAX, LAS, EWR, MIA, MCO, BOS, IAD, ORD (this year), SFO.... looks like the US govt is doing a pretty poor job keeping VS out. Now if you are referring the as of yet unrealized Virgin America, perhaps.

Thomas

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2007-02-09 07:34:34 and read 2888 times.

Here's the North American Airlines press release (on their just-updated web site!).

It makes a few things clear that the original post did not:

(1) The Virgin Nigeria flying will, for the moment, be FROM Lagos to the African points that it serves. In other words, Virgin Nigeria will be doing collection and distribution to and from North American's existing JFK-LOS flights, and each will sell the other's flights, so NAA will now be able to interline folks with one-stop service to Abuja and Port Harcourt, for example, and sell those flights on its web site in the US. That's great for NAA.

(2) When Virgin Nigeria's application is approved, guess who will be doing the wet-lease flying for them? That's right: North American. In other words, if North American has 3 flights a week now, and Virgin Nigeria is to have, say, another 3, North American will be flying six flights a week between LOS and New York, 3 under its own callsign, and 3 as a wet-lease by Virgin Nigeria.

(3) When Virgin Nigeria's application is approved, the airlines will place each other's codes on each other's flights.

http://www.flynaa.com/pressrelease.aspx?id=83

Good for NAA.

[Edited 2007-02-09 07:42:34]

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Sparklehorse12
Posted 2007-02-09 07:36:49 and read 2885 times.

Why keep VS out..I thought the US was all about competition and free markets...oh, I see only when it suits?

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: MeanGreen
Posted 2007-02-09 08:01:37 and read 2860 times.

Or the US Gov is trying to protect a very jacked up industy. Remember those assholes that flew those planes into those buildings?  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreeme
Username: Alibo5NGN
Posted 2007-02-09 08:59:03 and read 2824 times.

Like all agreements between Airlines, this one with NAA is temporary. NAA needs Virgin Nigeria to establish itself before the big boys CO and DL come in. Virgin Nigeria needs a toe hold in the US in order to signal to it's potential customers that it will not give up on the US service and to counteract Bellview's announcement that it will begin a LOS - EWR service in April 2007.

Virgin Nigeria will not stop until it gets to fly it's metals into the US. Right now
it has the normal issues beseting a new carrier under two years old - few pilots, cash flow to aqcuire larger jets, optimal useage of it's exisiting fleet and restrictions in being able to raise fresh capital.

The original investors invested an initial start up capital of $50 million even though they could have invested far more. The private placement for Nigerian investors in Virgin Nigeria was restricted to companies with a minimum net worth of $1.5 million and the offering was oversubscribed and sold out within days.

At this point in time, the Nigerian Institutional investors who control 51% of Virgin Nigeria are not interested in reducing their current holdings in order to raise fresh capital in Nigeria's boisterous stock market, nor is Virgin Atlantic interested in doing the same.

Ken.

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2007-02-09 09:26:57 and read 2808 times.

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 6):
Bellview's announcement that it will begin a LOS - EWR service in April 2007

Bellview isn't flying anywhere in the US unless and until the DOT approves its application. NAA is flying the route right now, and has been flying for some time. Their service is more than price-competitive with what Bellview is proposing to offer, and NAA has a stellar safety record and decent service. With the Virgin linkup, NAA gains even more credibility in Nigeria, and certainly seems a more reliable (safer?) choice for passengers on that route.

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2007-02-09 11:40:25 and read 2767 times.

According to sources, NAA will suspend ACC. In the new deal, ACC-bound passengers will be flown to LOS with onward interline to ACC with Virgin Nigeria. This will be good for VK business!

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Sparklehorse12
Posted 2007-02-09 12:57:21 and read 2742 times.

Quoting MeanGreen (Reply 5):
Or the US Gov is trying to protect a very jacked up industy. Remember those assholes that flew those planes into those buildings

Yeah, I vaguely remember hearing something Yeah sure.....That was over 5 years ago....is that still the excuse? Or has it lost a little currency due to it's over use ( by a certain government)

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: SpeedbirdEGJJ
Posted 2007-02-09 14:45:50 and read 2691 times.

Quoting MeanGreen (Reply 5):
Or the US Gov is trying to protect a very jacked up industy. Remember those assholes that flew those planes into those buildings?

Sorry i didnt realise the industry wide fallout from 9/11 was solely a US issue. Plenty of us have picked ourselves, licked our wounds and are managing perfectly well, without the need of the government protection!..

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2007-02-09 17:37:22 and read 2634 times.

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 8):
According to sources, NAA will suspend ACC. In the new deal, ACC-bound passengers will be flown to LOS with onward interline to ACC with Virgin Nigeria.

Given that NAA is flying just once a week to ACC, and DL is solidly in that market, I guess that makes sense. However, you kind of lose the benefit of improved travel time if you're going to make a connection. If you're going to ACC, wouldn't you be just as happy to connect in Europe as in LOS? I guess it depends upon the connection time.

When/if CO and/or DL start flying into LOS, NAA needs the Virgin conx on the other end in order to even have a hope at competing. It seems that DL is driving them out of ACC, even if DL isn't flying every day.

Topic: RE: North American And Virgin Nigeria Sign Agreement
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2007-02-09 17:52:17 and read 2620 times.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
If you're going to ACC, wouldn't you be just as happy to connect in Europe as in LOS? I guess it depends upon the connection time.

Would also depend on the fare! A return ticket price of say $1000 would surely turn heads!


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