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Topic: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: JAL777
Posted 2007-02-24 07:37:01 and read 10163 times.

Anybody know what was the single largest airplane order in number of planes and dollar values??

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Flyf15
Posted 2007-02-24 07:40:49 and read 10167 times.

One of them has got to be DayJet's order of Eclipse 500s... the ordered 239 of them at once.

I'm going to guess the largest in both number and dollar values is probably military. The B-2 and F-22 come to mind.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-02-24 07:45:12 and read 10142 times.

Either Pan Am for 747s or Emirates for A380s ?

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Piedmont767LGW
Posted 2007-02-24 07:51:03 and read 10132 times.

Quoting JAL777 (Thread starter):
Anybody know what was the single largest airplane order in number of planes and dollar values??

It could be US Airways initial order for airbus a/c.

On November 6, 1996, just following the re-branding to US Airways, US Airways placed an order for up to 400 Airbus A320-series narrowbody aircraft, with 120 firm orders at the time of the order signing. At the time, it was regarded as the largest single aircraft order in history. In 1998, the airline followed with an order for up to 30 Airbus A330-series or A340-series widebody aircraft, with an initial firm order for 7 A330-300 aircraft.

Don't know if that order has been exceed in terms of a/c or $$ by a subsequent order by another source. However, due to the situation post 9/11, much of the US Airways order has been unfilled, postponed or cancelled.

Additionally, several of the a/c delivered from that initial order have been turned back in to the leasing companies as a result of restructuring associated with multiple bankruptcies.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-02-24 08:05:08 and read 10067 times.

In terms of dollars, I'd have to second the B-2A, by a large margin probably. As for number of aircraft, I couldn't tell you. The F-16 has always been a hot seller.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Brons2
Posted 2007-02-24 08:08:48 and read 10050 times.

What about sticking to just commercial aircraft? I'd say US's order for the A320 would be the largest.

However, I think when the 737RS is about to be lauched, WN will place an order exceeding US's.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-02-24 08:13:35 and read 10034 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
What about sticking to just commercial aircraft?

Sure, I'd be happy to. However, the OP didn't state commercial aircraft, they just said "aiplane" and the B-2 and F-16 are airplanes, last time I checked anyway.  Silly

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Karan69
Posted 2007-02-24 08:17:50 and read 10019 times.

Air India's recent order of 68 boeing aircraft will easily be one of the largest in terms of value---
15---77Ws
27---787-800s
18---737-800

The order was estimated to be valued at about 11 Billion USD.

I dont think there has been an order excess of that in terms of value

Karan

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-02-24 08:21:32 and read 9998 times.

I'd say that if QF execises their 787 options that'd go a long way to some kind of record.

[Edited 2007-02-24 08:22:40]

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Willyj
Posted 2007-02-24 08:24:50 and read 9969 times.

What about AA's order in the 90's? It included a 20 year contract to only buy boeing.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: XT6Wagon
Posted 2007-02-24 08:26:32 and read 9968 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
However, I think when the 737RS is about to be lauched, WN will place an order exceeding US's.

given that WN NEEDS a couple of frames a month for decades to come just for replacement..... Its certain that WN would order anything upto 1000 firm+options to make sure they get all the slots they need over those years for replacements and planned growth.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: ONTFlyer
Posted 2007-02-24 08:29:13 and read 9956 times.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 1):
I'm going to guess the largest in both number and dollar values is probably military. The B-2 and F-22 come to mind.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
The order was estimated to be valued at about 11 Billion USD.

I dont think there has been an order excess of that in terms of value

21 B-2's at a price tag of around $2.2 billion a piece and you've got yourself quite a hefty little order in terms of value. $46.2 billion. Wow!

ONT

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 08:33:02 and read 9941 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
Either Pan Am for 747s or Emirates for A380s ?

Nah...

American Airlines U.S.A. North America MD-80-82 PW 01-Feb-1984 67
American Airlines U.S.A. North America 757-200 RR 25-May-1988 50
American Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-800 CF 21-Nov-1996 75

Pan Am World Airways U.S.A. North America 747-100 PW 13-Apr-1966 25

Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 22-Jan-1998 59
Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 29-Jun-2000 94
Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 20-Apr-2006 79

Ryanair Ireland Europe 737-800 CF 24-Jan-2002 100

GOL Airlines Brazil South America 737-800 CF 26-Jul-2005 30

JAL International Japan East Asia 737-800 CF 10-May-2005 30

Continental Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-500 CF 10-Oct-1996 30

ILFC U.S.A. North America 737-400 CF 16-May-1988 48
ILFC U.S.A. North America 737-800 CF 08-Mar-2000 36

GE Capital Corporation U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 26-Sep-2000 34
GE Capital Corporation U.S.A. North America 737-800 CF 22-Jan-1996 38

United Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-200 PW 05-Apr-1965 40
United Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-300 CF 07-Nov-1985 101
United Airlines U.S.A. North America 757-200 PW 26-Apr-1989 58

Qantas Australia Oceania 787-8 30-Mar-2006 15
Qantas Australia Oceania 787-9 30-Mar-2006 30

Could go on with more! I'm not a Airbus fan and have no clue how research their product... Maybe Air Berlin?

Air Berlin Germany Europe 737-800 CF 22-Dec-2006 60

[Edited 2007-02-24 08:58:03]

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-02-24 08:38:51 and read 9915 times.

Didn't B6 order 100 A320s?

China ordering 60 firm 787s was big too, even if they were broken down into multiple airlines.

NH and JL orders for 787s were large.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: XT6Wagon
Posted 2007-02-24 08:43:54 and read 9899 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
China ordering 60 firm 787s was big too, even if they were broken down into multiple airlines.

Problem with "china" orders is that they are not real orders until the specific airline orders it out of the pool of avalible aircraft. So at best they are "options" until the individual airline picks them up. Also given that best people can tell the first exchange of money for the frames happens at this time, I would say that "purchace right" is closer to the correct term for what the initial contract from China to Boeing/Airbus.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-02-24 08:49:38 and read 9888 times.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 12):
Air Berlin Germany Europe 737-800 CF 22-Dec-2006 60

It was said to be the biggest 737 order in Germany if it was the largest airplane order they would have said so.
BTW not too long ago there was a rumor in a German forum that AB has the option to turn this order into some 787s wouldn´t that be cool if true  Smile

Back to topic:
How about Aeroflot and Tu 154s ?

I guess the largest military order ever might be US Army for C-47s during WW II ?

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Karan69
Posted 2007-02-24 08:49:40 and read 9887 times.

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 11):
21 B-2's at a price tag of around $2.2 billion a piece and you've got yourself quite a hefty little order in terms of value. $46.2 billion. Wow!

That is certainly a WOW, but i thought we were discussing only Commercial aircraft orders, i think in commercial terms the AI order is the largest by value.

Karan

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 08:50:58 and read 9878 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
I dont think there has been an order excess of that in terms of value

Close though...

Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777-200LR GE 21-Nov-2005 10
Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777-300ER GE 21-Nov-2005 24
Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777F GE 21-Nov-2005 8

10 billion USD.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 08:55:12 and read 9864 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
NH and JL orders for 787s were large.

All Nippon Airways Japan East Asia 737-700 CF 27-Jun-2003 45
All Nippon Airways Japan East Asia 787-3 RR 26-Jul-2004 30
All Nippon Airways Japan East Asia 787-8 RR 26-Jul-2004 20

JAL International Japan East Asia 787-3 GE 10-May-2005 13
JAL International Japan East Asia 787-8 GE 10-May-2005 17

Somewhat...  Smile

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-02-24 08:58:45 and read 9848 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
That is certainly a WOW,

What's even more of a "wow" is getting to see them do their thing regulary. The entire fleet lives a 45 minute drive from here.  Wink

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: XT6Wagon
Posted 2007-02-24 09:00:23 and read 9848 times.

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 11):
21 B-2's at a price tag of around $2.2 billion a piece and you've got yourself quite a hefty little order in terms of value. $46.2 billion. Wow!

of course with only 21 frames, the price per frame is high given the fixed development costs. The real shame is that they could have had a whole hell of alot more frames for not that much more money since they pulled the plug at Basicly the worst point possible. Enough frames to require heavy capital investment in a "line" but too few to actually spread the costs out much.

Then again 21 is enough to scare anyone sane enough to assume the B2 does what they say it does, and 100 is not much more useful against those too stupid to care.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-02-24 09:04:32 and read 9820 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
That is certainly a WOW, but i thought we were discussing only Commercial aircraft orders, i think in commercial terms the AI order is the largest by value.

From the Boeing Website:

"Boeing, Air India Celebrate Order Agreement for 68 Jets; Largest Commercial Airplane Order in India's Civil Aviation History"

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060111a_nr.html

Seems to be "only" the largest commercial order in India.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 12):
Nah...

American Airlines U.S.A. North America MD-80-82 PW 01-Feb-1984 67
American Airlines U.S.A. North America 757-200 RR 25-May-1988 50
American Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-800 CF 21-Nov-1996 75

Pan Am World Airways U.S.A. North America 747-100 PW 13-Apr-1966 25

I was thinking by Dollar value -not by the number of aircraft ordered- the Pan Am 747 order might be the largest aircraft order ever. Back in 1966 an order for 25 747s that had to be an awful ot of cash and the order nearly made Pan Am bankrupt.
Number of aircraft I think it has to be AA for MD 80s.
Also what was the largest 737 order ever placed by Southwest ?

[Edited 2007-02-24 09:07:04]

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Macilree
Posted 2007-02-24 09:14:40 and read 9780 times.

An order for 77 B777 aircraft by SQ rings a bell. Can someone elaborate as to how many B777 aircraft SQ is currently operating and has on order?

John Macilree's Weblog

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: JAL777
Posted 2007-02-24 09:28:34 and read 9746 times.

Quoting Macilree (Reply 22):
An order for 77 B777 aircraft by SQ rings a bell. Can someone elaborate as to how many B777 aircraft SQ is currently operating and has on order?

John Macilree's Weblog

This might be it... Boeing valued it at $12.7B in 1995 dollars!  Wow!

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1995/news.release.951114-a.html

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2007-02-24 09:35:33 and read 9714 times.

The US Airways Group contract with Airbus still remains the largest aircraft order ever.

NS

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: JAL777
Posted 2007-02-24 09:43:27 and read 9659 times.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 24):
The US Airways Group contract with Airbus still remains the largest aircraft order ever.

NS

New York Times has the order as only being worth $5B?

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...F2071FFB355C0C748CDDA80994DE494D81

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-02-24 09:48:31 and read 10224 times.

Quoting JAL777 (Reply 25):

You know you're talking about the airline industry when you say "only" $5B.  Silly

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2007-02-24 09:58:34 and read 10194 times.

Quoting JAL777 (Reply 25):
New York Times has the order as only being worth $5B?

Volume, not value.

NS

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: UnitedNRT
Posted 2007-02-24 10:01:16 and read 10214 times.

United, in 1990, placed an order for various Boeing aircraft worth $22billion USD.

Regards all,

UnitedNRT

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Karan69
Posted 2007-02-24 10:39:11 and read 10117 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Boeing, Air India Celebrate Order Agreement for 68 Jets; Largest Commercial Airplane Order in India's Civil Aviation History"

Thats because it was the biggest in terms of numbers as well as value in the countries history

Quoting Macilree (Reply 22):
An order for 77 B777 aircraft by SQ rings a bell. Can someone elaborate as to how many B777 aircraft SQ is currently operating and has on order?



Quoting JAL777 (Reply 23):
This might be it... Boeing valued it at $12.7B in 1995 dollars!

That might be true but do not forget that SQ got it significantly for less considering they sold off most of the fresh and yet to built A340-300s

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 28):
nited, in 1990, placed an order for various Boeing aircraft worth $22billion USD.

Can you please give us a break down of that order it will be very interesting.

Karan

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Oldeuropean
Posted 2007-02-24 10:39:15 and read 10113 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 15):
How about Aeroflot and Tu 154s ?

That was the first thing that came to my mind, when I read the topic. They have had hundreds of them.

Anybody here, who knows something about SU and their orders in the 60th?

Axel

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-02-24 16:16:26 and read 9731 times.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):
Problem with "china" orders is that they are not real orders until the specific airline orders it out of the pool of avalible aircraft.

Tell that to Airbus...  Wink

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 18):
All Nippon Airways Japan East Asia 787-3 RR 26-Jul-2004 30
All Nippon Airways Japan East Asia 787-8 RR 26-Jul-2004 20
Somewhat...

You don't think 50 widebodies on one day is big? Question was largest order in value and largest order in numbers. 50 widebodies is pretty expensive, though probably not the biggest order ever.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 16:37:19 and read 9596 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Also what was the largest 737 order ever placed by Southwest ?

Firm... Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 29-Jun-2000 94

Southwest Airlines placed an order for up to 290 Next-Generation 737s in June of 2000. The order includes 94 firm Boeing 737-700s, as well as 25 options and up to 171 purchase rights for an additional 196 Next-Generation airplanes over the next 12 years. The order is the largest ever placed for the Next-Generation 737.

Quoting Macilree (Reply 22):
An order for 77 B777 aircraft by SQ rings a bell.

When was this?
SQ's largest single order:

Singapore Airlines Singapore Southeast Asia 777-200ER RR 22-Dec-1995 22

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 31):
You don't think 50 widebodies on one day is big? Question was largest order in value and largest order in numbers. 50 widebodies is pretty expensive, though probably not the biggest order ever.

I did not say that was not expensive. (50) firm 787's is indeed large but not close to the largest in numbers.

Found this:
On April 26, 2004, the Japanese airline All Nippon Airways (ANA) became the launch customer for the 787, then still-known as the 7E7, announcing a firm order for 50 aircraft to be delivered beginning in 2008. The order is valued at roughly $6 billion and represents the largest ever single launch order for a new Boeing jetliner.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Keesje
Posted 2007-02-24 17:25:50 and read 9432 times.

I think the US DoD ordering 600 Boeing kc-707s in the mid/late fifties for delivery in 4-5 years is still unprecedented.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2007-02-24 17:30:49 and read 9379 times.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 28):
United, in 1990, placed an order for various Boeing aircraft worth $22billion USD.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Can you please give us a break down of that order it will be very interesting.

IIRC, the breakdown was for 34 777's w/ 34 options along with a selected number of 744's, of which I cannot RC.  Smile

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 18:17:30 and read 9103 times.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 34):
Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 28):
United, in 1990, placed an order for various Boeing aircraft worth $22billion USD.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Can you please give us a break down of that order it will be very interesting.

IIRC, the breakdown was for 34 777's w/ 34 options along with a selected number of 744's, of which I cannot RC.

Doubtful... In 1990 UA placed a grand total of 23 firm a/c.

747-400 x7
777-200 x16

1989 was UA's big year... 2 separate orders.

737-500 x57
757-200 x58

767-300ER x16

List of UA's largest firm orders.

United Airlines tU.S.A. tNorth America t737-300 t CF t07-Nov-1985 t101
United Airlines tU.S.A. tNorth America t737-500 t CF t26-Apr-1989 t57
United Airlines tU.S.A. tNorth America t757-200 t PW t26-Apr-1989 t58
United Airlines tU.S.A. tNorth America t777-200ER t PW t01-Apr-1993 t18

Amazing what you can find on Boeing's website,

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: UAEflyer
Posted 2007-02-24 18:25:14 and read 9020 times.

Emirates orders are massive
they ordered 29 A332's
43 A380's
dont know the exact number but they ordered a huge number of 77W (today they operate more than 20 of them)

QR i believe ordered 50 A350 in Paris Airshow

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 18:44:30 and read 8751 times.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 36):
dont know the exact number but they ordered a huge number of 77W

Yes you are correct! (42) total firm a/c all 777's.

Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777-200LR GE 21-Nov-2005 10
Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777-300ER GE 21-Nov-2005 24
Emirates United Arab Emirates Middle East 777F GE 21-Nov-2005 8

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2007-02-24 19:19:00 and read 8321 times.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 30):
That was the first thing that came to my mind, when I read the topic. They have had hundreds of them.

Anybody here, who knows something about SU and their orders in the 60th?

The exact numbers are difficult to come by, partly because of Russian secrecy and partly because being communist and all operations being nationalised, Aeroflot just tended to have a stream or aircraft which they bought from various manufacturers which were fed into the fleet as required, more an understanding of the intention to buy something between generals (The head of Aeroflot was normally a General and the entire fleet was still considered to be at the disposal of the army for troop transport if needed) without major orders being announced all of the time.

But to start with there was a number of very early orders in the mid to late 1930's for Russian built aircraft, as a result of the government's decree in 1935 which ordered that only Soviet built aircraft could be used for air services, although there was an exception for the DC-3's initially imported from the US, and the version which was produced under license as the Lisunov Li-2, it's believed that 6157 of which were built, although they never got around to paying Douglas for the licensing. The communist government had nationalised Aeroflot, or at least it's fore-runner Dobrolet amongst others in October of 1930, (before renaming it to Aeroflot on the 26th March 1932) so the pax and cargo Li-2's produced for Russia would have gone to them, probably hundreds, but then production shifted to combat variants for the WWII, although many of the survivors did then return to civilian service with Aeroflot after the war with most of the planes carrying Aeroflot titles, though exact order numbers are hard to pinpoint.

Similarly, once the An-2 finally got off the drawing board, thousands were incorporated into the Aeroflot fleet, then there was Aeroflot's first jet, the Tu-104 which I think received an initial order for 50 or so, but ultimately around 200 entered the fleet followed by the entry of 31 Tu-114's into service. They received some 750 Yak 40's, just to Aeroflot, and at least that number of Tu-154's, plus there were also large numbers of Il-18, Il-62, Yak-42, An-24, Tu-134 ordered, but as I stated at the beginning, I don't know the exact numbers involved, although considering Aeroflot usually ordered (or placed a requirement for) enough of an aircraft type to completely replace a previous model in their fleet, it would have been in the hundreds, such as when the 'order' was placed for the Il-86 which lead to around 100 examples joining the Aeroflot fleet. So, I don't doubt that the largest order or understanding to procure an aircraft will have come from Aeroflot, I just don't know exactly how much it was, if anyone could shed some light on it I'd be quite pleased. Must find out where I have put my books on soviet aircraft!


Dan Smile

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: AirFrnt
Posted 2007-02-24 19:34:21 and read 8149 times.

The largest civilian order for a while was the launch order for the L-1011, which IIRC, several carriers grouped together to order 50 at the start.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: UnitedNRT
Posted 2007-02-24 19:52:03 and read 8026 times.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 35):

Doubtful... In 1990 UA placed a grand total of 23 firm a/c.

747-400 x7
777-200 x16

I'm not familiar with United's aircraft orders, I will check with who I can that would know. I know that there was a $22billion order, even Boeing takes note of it.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2007-02-24 19:59:55 and read 8022 times.

Quoting Piedmont767LGW (Reply 3):
On November 6, 1996, just following the re-branding to US Airways, US Airways placed an order for up to 400 Airbus A320-series narrowbody aircraft, with 120 firm orders at the time of the order signing. At the time, it was regarded as the largest single aircraft order in history. In 1998, the airline followed with an order for up to 30 Airbus A330-series or A340-series widebody aircraft, with an initial firm order for 7 A330-300 aircraft.

Don't know if that order has been exceed in terms of a/c or $$ by a subsequent order by another source. However, due to the situation post 9/11, much of the US Airways order has been unfilled, postponed or cancelled.

Additionally, several of the a/c delivered from that initial order have been turned back in to the leasing companies as a result of restructuring associated with multiple bankruptcies.

It's a shame that all of this happened. Otherwise, they'd have plenty of aircraft for major international expansion out of PHL that they're doing now... 30 A330s? I wonder which options they were going with. It seems to me that the current A330s they're flying don't quite have the range to do anything beyond a PHL-ATH flight or anything of the type. I know that US is interested in Asia, considering they've just applied for Asia routes. The A340 would have definitely allowed them to do Asia flights, considering which options regarding engines and range they'd go with, but of course, US never ordered any. I don't think they fit their business model...

I wonder if US is, or was ever, interested in doing something like PHL-TLV or Cairo, or some other Middle Eastern flight, or is the Middle East not at all among their interests?

All in all, they did place a massive order for the A320 series aircraft. They still have about a hundred 737s in their fleet to start phasing out, but that can wait another 5 years or so. Did US ever retire their first 737-300, which I believe was one of the first 737-300s to take to the skies back in 1984/85? If not, it's only been flying for 22 years... Look at NW, they have 40-year-old DC9s...

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Kappel
Posted 2007-02-24 20:27:53 and read 7857 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
However, I think when the 737RS is about to be lauched, WN will place an order exceeding US's.

I doubt it, see below:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 12):
Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 22-Jan-1998 59
Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 29-Jun-2000 94
Southwest Airlines U.S.A. North America 737-700 CF 20-Apr-2006 79

WN usually purchases aircraft in phases. Sure, it might be an order for 300 aircraft including options, but IMHO at most 100 will be firm, untill the aircraft has proven itself. That would be a wise businees decision IMHO at that's what WN is known for.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-24 20:58:04 and read 7775 times.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 40):
I'm not familiar with United's aircraft orders, I will check with who I can that would know. I know that there was a $22billion order, even Boeing takes note of it.

Source please? I cannot see 23 a/c costing UA 22billion... You say Boeing "notes it" then you must have a source, no?

Just not seeing it man... Mainly when EK can order 42 777's at 10billion list. UA would have to triple that order back in the early 90's to get to a price tag of 22 billion.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Atrude777
Posted 2007-02-24 21:04:26 and read 7726 times.

I had thought NWA's order for the A320 was the largest ever, and for NWA and Airbus, at the time it was done?

Also they placed a huge order for DC9 too did they not?

Alex

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2007-02-24 21:36:29 and read 7538 times.

American Airlines MD-80s?

Where they ordered at one time or multiple times?

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: UnitedNRT
Posted 2007-02-24 21:44:09 and read 7545 times.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 43):

"In just nine days in October 1990, the company placed the largest aircraft order in commercial aviation history -- $22 billion dollars --"

http://www.united.com/page/middlepage/0,6823,2293,00.html

"Oct. 15, 1990 United Airlines orders 34 777s and places options on 34 more. First 777 delivery is set for May 1995."

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_milestones.html

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: N1120A
Posted 2007-02-24 22:24:01 and read 7127 times.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
Sure, I'd be happy to. However, the OP didn't state commercial aircraft, they just said "aiplane" and the B-2 and F-16 are airplanes, last time I checked anyway.

This is the Civil Aviation forum. Military has its own.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
Didn't B6 order 100 A320s?

They may have done an "up to" but they did order 100+100 E190s

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 44):
Also they placed a huge order for DC9 too did they not?

No. In fact, almost all of the DC9s came from Republic in the merger or second hand

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 45):
American Airlines MD-80s?

Where they ordered at one time or multiple times?

Multiple orders and many were taken in their deals for TWA and RenoAir. I actually wonder why AA didn't jump at the chance of the many newer build MD83s from AS.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Cincinnati747
Posted 2007-02-24 22:29:08 and read 7042 times.

Ryanair ordered some 180 738's recently or a year or two ago

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Zeke
Posted 2007-02-24 22:39:08 and read 6917 times.

"Today’s announcement means that easyJet now has 104 aircraft on firm order with Airbus, with a list price of over $4 billion, and holds purchase rights over a further 123 aircraft. The total size of easyJet’s order of Airbus aircraft (including options), first announced in October 2002, is 315. Of these, 88 have already been delivered."

http://www.easyjet.com/en/investor/major_new_aircraft_order.html

" AirAsia Group's (Malaysia AirAsia, Thai AirAsia and Indonesia AirAsia) total orders to 150 aircraft, plus 50 options and, in doing so, makes it one of Airbus' largest customers for the aircraft type."

http://www.airasia.com/site/en/press...de9ca60-ac1e00ae-153e0c00-6458028c

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Hotje
Posted 2007-02-25 01:33:49 and read 5480 times.

--quote--
March 17, 1989

LEAD: The Dutch plane maker Fokker said American Airlines would order up to 149 Fokker 100 airliners worth $3.12 billion, making it the largest industrial order for a Dutch company. American, based in Fort Worth, declined to confirm the report. ''All I can tell you is we have talked to the Fokker people about airplanes,'' a spokesman said.

The Dutch plane maker Fokker said American Airlines would order up to 149 Fokker 100 airliners worth $3.12 billion, making it the largest industrial order for a Dutch company. American, based in Fort Worth, declined to confirm the report. ''All I can tell you is we have talked to the Fokker people about airplanes,'' a spokesman said.
--unquote--

I'm not sure if that total came through in the end, but AA had a few for sure.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2007-02-25 02:00:34 and read 5212 times.

Quoting JAL777 (Thread starter):
Anybody know what was the single largest airplane order in number of planes and dollar values??

IIRC, you've gotten your answer. It's been a little convoluted, but in these respective terms:

Number of Frames
In 1996, U.S. Airways ordered 120 firm and 280 option A32X aircraft from Airbus


Dollar Value
In 1990, United Airlines launched the 777 with and order for 34 + 34. This order also included an order for 30 + 30 747-400s. Total estimated value was $22 Billion in FY1990's dollar.


Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Dalavia
Posted 2007-02-25 02:41:24 and read 4931 times.

I don't know the process of ordering airliners for Aeroflot during Soviet times, nor do I know how you would place a value on those orders.

But given that 5000 An-2 were built in the USSR, plus another 12,000 in Poland after production was moved there, it would be surprising if the An-2 didn't feature somewhere in the largest single order of airliners.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: AlexPorter
Posted 2007-02-25 03:07:17 and read 4710 times.

Quoting Cincinnati747 (Reply 48):
Ryanair ordered some 180 738's recently or a year or two ago

But not at the same time, so it doesn't count.

The largest jet order in the history of Boeing/Douglas/McDonnell Douglas was the United order for 101 B733s back in 1985. As mentioned above, some other manufacturers have gotten larger orders.

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2007-02-25 03:28:18 and read 4583 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
Air India's recent order of 68 boeing aircraft will easily be one of the largest in terms of value---
15---77Ws
27---787-800s
18---737-800

The order was estimated to be valued at about 11 Billion USD.

I dont think there has been an order excess of that in terms of value

Karan



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 8):
I'd say that if QF execises their 787 options that'd go a long way to some kind of record.

The Air India order is large, but there are many that are larger... this QF order was for over 100 787 aircraft (albeit options included which will be firmed).

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-02-25 06:07:06 and read 3802 times.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 46):
"In just nine days in October 1990, the company placed the largest aircraft order in commercial aviation history -- $22 billion dollars --"


Are we sure that the price did not include Pan American's U.S. routes to London?

What they do not tell you is that the 777-200IGW (know as the 777-200ER did not come along in production and BA launched in in 1997. They only then placed a order for (16) 777-200ER's and in 1993 for (18) which makes up your (34) 777's.

United Airlines U.S.A. North America 747-400 PW 15-Oct-1990 7
United Airlines U.S.A. North America 777-200 PW 15-Oct-1990 16

United Airlines U.S.A. North America 777-200ER PW 01-Apr-1993 18

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: BuyantUkhaa
Posted 2007-02-25 16:43:19 and read 3264 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 51):
IIRC, you've gotten your answer. It's been a little convoluted, but in these respective terms:

Number of Frames
In 1996, U.S. Airways ordered 120 firm and 280 option A32X aircraft from Airbus

Shared with this one:
Easyjet, which now owns rival budget airline Go, said it had chosen Airbus as its preferred supplier for 120 A319 aircraft with an option to buy 120 more planes at the same price.
on 14 October 2002.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2325679.stm

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Olympus69
Posted 2007-02-25 19:42:03 and read 3128 times.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 52):
But given that 5000 An-2 were built in the USSR, plus another 12,000 in Poland after production was moved there, it would be surprising if the An-2 didn't feature somewhere in the largest single order of airliners.

I thought I read somewhere that the AN-2 held the record for the largest number built for a single aircraft type, This seems improbable in view of the huge numbers of military DC-3s that were built. However it would be impossible to get numbers for individual orders. The factories were probably just told "Keep on building them until we tell you to stop"  Smile

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2007-02-25 22:04:26 and read 3017 times.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 46):
"Oct. 15, 1990 United Airlines orders 34 777s and places options on 34 more. First 777 delivery is set for May 1995." http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777....html

I thought so! It's pretty damned rare that I forget anything when two 34's are put together!  laughing 

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2007-02-26 01:45:01 and read 2852 times.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 55):
Are we sure that the price did not include Pan American's U.S. routes to London?

Yes.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 55):
United Airlines U.S.A. North America 747-400 PW 15-Oct-1990 7
United Airlines U.S.A. North America 777-200 PW 15-Oct-1990 16

You are looking at a current website about an order placed nearly 17! years ago. Of course the contract has been changed since then! As you point out, UA converted 18 -200's into -200ER's, and cancelled several of the 744's. But I assure you, if you had been following the industry in 1990 (unfortunately, that website did not exist then or my life would have been much more entertaining) you would know that UA placed a single order for 34+34 777's and 30+30 747-400's.

Regards,

Hamlet69  profile 

Topic: RE: What Was The Single Largest Airplane Order?
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-02-26 02:02:29 and read 2819 times.

I believe GPA (now GECAS) had some sort of agreement with boeing at some stage to aquire nearly 1000 aircraft over a certain timeframe. Im not sure if it was an actual order though.


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