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Topic: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: KarlB737
Posted 2007-03-27 23:27:29 and read 4009 times.

Courtesy: The Times-Picayune

Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana

http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?id=11088&siteSection=4

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2007-03-27 23:38:26 and read 3993 times.

Sell a desperate business from arguably one of the most corrupt city governments, to the unquestionably most corrupt state government....

...egad.  Sad

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: N353SK
Posted 2007-03-27 23:40:33 and read 3989 times.

Quote:
"I think it's a better option if we could somehow figure out a way for the state to step in, provide the city of New Orleans with some kind of revenue stream that's adequate compensation, and then we turn that airport into something special, that rivals O'Hare (in Chicago) or DFW (Dallas-Fort Worth)," Nagin said.

There he goes again.....


It sounds like Nagin is just trying to find quick, easy cash.

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2007-03-27 23:42:08 and read 3983 times.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 1):
Sell a desperate business from arguably one of the most corrupt city governments, to the unquestionably most corrupt state government....

...egad.

Louisiana Purchase Mark II: Sell the airport and the land to the state of Mississippi  Silly

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2007-03-27 23:51:15 and read 3952 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Sell the airport and the land to the state of Mississippi

Until two years ago, Louisiana could/did always fall back on the old "At least we're not Mississippi/Alabama" mantra... not anymore though. Sad  Sad

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: Superfly
Posted 2007-03-27 23:52:41 and read 3948 times.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 1):
Sell a desperate business from arguably one of the most corrupt city governments, to the unquestionably most corrupt state government....

Isn't blantant corruption an integral part of Louisiana just as much as tabasco sauce and gumbo?

I wish all the best for those in New Orleans and surrounding areas hurt by Katrina and Rita.

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: OPNLguy
Posted 2007-03-27 23:54:55 and read 3939 times.

Excerpted from the article:

Nagin has said he would like to sell the airport for the right price to any interested buyer, but Monday he took a new turn and recommended selling the airport to the state to lay the groundwork for an expansion that would create a regional airport.

Is this the same "regional airport" that was recently proposed somewhere between BTR and MSY, or is Nagin talking about building up MSY as a second "regional airport" to rival the first one?

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2007-03-27 23:56:44 and read 3929 times.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
not anymore though. Sad

Well, at least we're still #1 in terms of air service over those two states. So that's something. Look on the bright side, Fred. It can only get better from here!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Isn't blantant corruption an integral part of Louisiana just as much as tabasco sauce and gumbo?

Yep...for as long as I can remember, anyway.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
It sounds like Nagin is just trying to find quick, easy cash.

Nagin has been on a roll lately. The man desperately needs a speech writer. Hell, I'll write for him. As long as I get something under the table.  Wink

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: Superfly
Posted 2007-03-28 00:03:44 and read 3904 times.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Well, at least we're still #1 in terms of air service over those two states. So that's something. Look on the bright side, Fred. It can only get better from here!

 checkmark 
Louisiana is definately the most fascinating southern state.
I'd much rather visit Louisiana than Mississippi or Alabama regardless of who the airport belongs to.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Yep...for as long as I can remember, anyway.

That goes waaaaaaay back before any of us were born. There are college courses that study the politics of Louisiana.

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2007-03-28 00:07:08 and read 3894 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
There are college courses that study the politics of Louisiana.

I wish they offered that as an elective up in PVD. But they have their own share of problems up there in regards to corruption, as well.

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2007-03-28 00:16:17 and read 3867 times.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
It sounds like Nagin is just trying to find quick, easy cash.

He should check Rep Jefferson's freezer  Wink

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: Superfly
Posted 2007-03-28 00:24:40 and read 3843 times.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
He should check Rep Jefferson's freezer

LOL!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2007-03-28 00:45:54 and read 3802 times.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Is this the same "regional airport" that was recently proposed somewhere between BTR and MSY or is Nagin talking about building up MSY as a second "regional airport" to rival the first one?

Nope, though tough to tell:

  • The one you're probably thinking of is the gigantic cargo airport planned for Iberville & Ascension Parishes. That's far closer to BTR.
  • The proposed "regional" airport most often touted here would be a larger field with a hub-like layout played in the St. Charles spillway; slightly west of where the current airport stands.
  • Nagin's dream though has actually always been a larger hub-layout airport in eastern Orleans or southeastern Orleans/St.Bernard Parish(es). Now that a lot of that area is virtual wasteland, he may actually have the hots for the idea even more.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
    Look on the bright side, Fred. It can only get better from here!

    ...can it?
    Wish I could be so pollyanna-ish about it.
    Our blatant lack of scheduled int'l patronage is still far too depressing for that though.  Sad

  • Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Boeing7E7
    Posted 2007-03-28 01:06:22 and read 3775 times.

    Someone please tell me how you sell a Federally obligated airport??? It's a self contained operating unit. The Mayor can't sell it, he can hire a private company to operate it or transfer it the State, but you can't sell it. Unless he plans on closing it then selling the land for other uses.

    Hey Nagin,

    You build a new airport with bonds leveraged against the redevelopment value of the existing airport, then sell the land the existing airport sets on once the new airport is open and pay off the bonds so that the funds aren't diverted to other uses. This is how it works.

    He just publicly announced to the FAA he want's jail time for revenue diversion. What a dumb ass.

    [Edited 2007-03-28 01:13:01]

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 01:07:14 and read 3774 times.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
    Our blatant lack of scheduled int'l patronage is still far too depressing for that though.

    Believe me, I lose sleep over that every night. And it likely will stay the course until I get my little venture off the ground. This city is in too good for a geographical position to not have any service to Central America. TA proved for the last sixty years that there was always demand. And believe me, that demand didn't evaporate overnight.

    As for Europe, well, you know as well as I do that we could fill a 763/332 easily to London or Frankfurt...maybe Paris. But I am afraid Katrina only pushed back the hope of that service a good five to ten years.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-28 01:18:05 and read 3742 times.

    Yeah sell it to us, lol. We would love to have an airport of that dimension, but its located in New Orleans  Sad However we are doing what we can in Mississippi to further lure traffic. Today I just got my JAN-Jackson Evers Security ID for access to the employee lot. They instantly leaped at my request when I simply inquired about parking passes, and I was badged within 20 minutes. They realize the stress of driving 2 1/2 hours from Gulfport, but they applaud it, as us employees are paying airport taxes when we purchase ID90's to commute. I was informed more airline employees and passengers are heading up to Jackson-Evers to conduct their travels. I am impressed with JAN thus far. I left my house in GPT at 0334 and arrived at JAN 0600 Friday. Check-in was swift, and I got a hearty breakfast for 4.00 with my airline ID (Biscuits, Gravy, Sausage, Potatoes, and Coke). In MSY it was upwards of 11.00+ for the same thing on Concourse C. There was actually a separate "crew lane" that I was told to use, even though I was commuting, and TSA was extremely friendly. The airport restrooms have vases with fresh flowers, and brand new tiling. The concourse is kept at a comfortable 68 degrees, and smells fresh. All the jetways with the exception of a few on Delta's concourse (they are unused btw) are almost brand new. Coming back into JAN was a breeze, and I didn't get stuck on a stupid 5 mile long "twin jam" coming Home. Thank god for Jackson-Evers International Airport.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-28 01:27:04 and read 3725 times.

    So he asks for a rail between BTR and MSY?!?! What about GPT? We just got another airline, Allegiant to LAS and SFB. Actually, a rail from MOB to BTR. Of course, all those people are backwards thinkers and will get eaten for lunch.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ConcordeBoy
    Posted 2007-03-28 02:38:20 and read 3653 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
    my little venture

    Qu'est-ce que c'est??

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 02:49:03 and read 3631 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 16):
    So he asks for a rail between BTR and MSY?!?!

    Amtrak did proving runs on the line recently. It needs upgrades for dedicated passenger service. And yes, BTR-NO by rail has been in the works for a LONG time. Trent Lott wanted to turn the CSX railway which runs through GPT into a road. I wouldn't expect commuter rail service to GPT for a very long time.

    The Feds recently decided that Amtrak will be given $$$ to add service in several mid-range, high-density corridors in the U.S. Houston-New Orleans is one of them...not Gulfport...sorry.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 16):
    We just got another airline, Allegiant to LAS and SFB

    Yep, a whopping 5 flights per week. Congrats.  bigthumbsup 

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 15):
    Thank god for Jackson-Evers International Airport

    Good thing you didn;t nonrev out of here today. Every flight out of the airport was full. Tomorrow as well. I'll gladly take full flights all day over an easy nonrev experience. It means the airport is doing well.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: N353SK
    Posted 2007-03-28 02:53:04 and read 3624 times.

    Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
    He should check Rep Jefferson's freezer  

    I'm sure nagin will be re-elected right after they find cash in HIS freezer!

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Superfly
    Posted 2007-03-28 03:18:48 and read 3586 times.

    Quoting N353SK (Reply 19):
    I'm sure nagin will be re-elected right after they find cash in HIS freezer!

    Nagin just won re-election.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: AvObserver
    Posted 2007-03-28 03:47:17 and read 3561 times.

    "The city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana, we are linked in many, many different ways," Nagin said. "So whatever happens in the state affects the city, and whatever happens in the city affects the state at the end of the day."

    This reminds me a bit of his "chocolate city" speech. By extrapolation, could we infer that Nagin believes that Louisiana is also a chocolate state. A ridiculous notion, I admit, but given the train of this madman's ever erratic runaway mouth, anything he spouts out is subject to extra scrutiny. Billions sent his way have seemingly evaporated and he hasn't a clue as to how to revive a city that now has the highest per capita murder rate in the country. Congratulations, Ray; though I feel sorry for your long-suffering constituency, they DID reelect you, despite everything, so I guess they're getting the government they deserve. Truly sad, though, that such a witless charlitan could screw up so badly in a crisis and STILL be given another chance, I'm sure whatever cash is raised by the airport sale will somehow also get frittered away into thin air.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: N1120A
    Posted 2007-03-28 04:04:18 and read 3545 times.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
    Nagin's dream though has actually always been a larger hub-layout airport in eastern Orleans or southeastern Orleans/St.Bernard Parish(es). Now that a lot of that area is virtual wasteland, he may actually have the hots for the idea even more

    The Six Flags property actually makes a lot of sense.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 16):
    So he asks for a rail between BTR and MSY?!?!

    He is smart to ask for that

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ConcordeBoy
    Posted 2007-03-28 05:27:54 and read 3489 times.

    Quoting AvObserver (Reply 21):
    he hasn't a clue as to how to revive a city that now has the highest per capita murder rate in the country.

    ...in all fairness though, neither has anyone in the position before him  Sad

    Quoting AvObserver (Reply 21):
    though I feel sorry for your long-suffering constituency, they DID reelect you, despite everything, so I guess they're getting the government they deserve.

    Careful with that-- more than a million of us in the metro area are highly/directly affected by his policies, despite having had absolutely no say in his re-election, seeing as we do not live within the city proper.

    We certainly desired AND deserve better leadership than he apparently has to offer-- and you'd do well to consider said issue before committing to such a half-witted statement as you uttered.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: LAXdude1023
    Posted 2007-03-28 06:07:15 and read 3450 times.

    Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
    "I think it's a better option if we could somehow figure out a way for the state to step in, provide the city of New Orleans with some kind of revenue stream that's adequate compensation, and then we turn that airport into something special, that rivals O'Hare (in Chicago) or DFW (Dallas-Fort Worth)," Nagin said.

    You know Nagin, I dont think Id set my sights quite that high. I think a reasonable goal for a New Orleans airport would be service to all the major domestic markets and maybe a trans atlantic flight. I dont think we will see an airport in Louisiana on the level of DFW, ORD, IAH, or any other major hub. Maybe it could be a focus city, but I dont think it will be a hub.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: TransWorldSTL
    Posted 2007-03-28 07:06:28 and read 3406 times.

    Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):

    The Six Flags property actually makes a lot of sense.

    The Six Flags property will be tied up for a long while, yet.

    They're trying to negotiate their 99year contract which had a clause saying we had to rebuild if a hurricane destroyed the park.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-28 10:37:53 and read 3487 times.

    Oh Jackson is doing quite well, no doubt. Southwest has been doing the JAN-MDW flight for 10 years. It is just easy for commuting because they can pull a profit on half full flights. I am loving this, easy commutes, empty seats, and Southwest service  Smile Not to say JAN is never full, it just is not the mess that MSY is. On Saturday MSY is oversold to ORD, JAN is wide open, so I am going to drive to JAN having that "peace of mind" I will actually get to work. Full flights are good for MSY, now they need to add more service, because lately when my family buys tickets to fly, I have been pushing them to fly Jackson, and I have offered to drive them to and from. AirTran is easy to get on in GPT, impossible in MSY.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ConcordeBoy
    Posted 2007-03-28 16:15:09 and read 3432 times.

    Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 25):
    They're trying to negotiate their 99year contract which had a clause saying we had to rebuild if a hurricane destroyed the park.

    Who are the "they" and "we" that you speak of?

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Coa747
    Posted 2007-03-28 16:55:13 and read 3394 times.

    I can't believe this crackpot got re-elected, well that isn't entirely true but if you followed the election they sent buses over to Texas to pick up New Orleans exiles and bus them over state lines to vote. Yeah that sounds legal, just chalk it up to politics as usual in New Orleans. I mean that guy did a piss poor job of planning for the major storm, then abandons his own citizenry and then complains on national TV for weeks about how everyone abandoned New Orleans. Meanwhile he ships alot of his disadvantaged citizens off to Houston for them to deal with cause he doesn't want to. Yeah really class act, what a jerk. His political future is about as bright as the Bush family dynasty and that isn't saying too much.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-28 17:00:35 and read 3394 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
    As for Europe, well, you know as well as I do that we could fill a 763/332 easily to London or Frankfurt...maybe Paris

    Are you sure? PHX has about three times the demand to Europe and has one daily flight. MEM has about the same demand as MSY and a hub on both ends and has one flight. BNA has about the same demand as MSY and obviously has nothing--same with AUS. I'm not convinced MSY/Europe could be filled profitably unless it were a weekly Zoom flight or something like that.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 17:08:03 and read 3378 times.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
    I'm not convinced MSY/Europe could be filled profitably unless it were a weekly Zoom flight or something like that.

    Trust me...it can be filled. There is a lot of demand to Europe from here, more than anyone realizes. AA/UA/DL/CO all see a large number of European connecting passengers from here. I was on DL flight to ATL two weeks ago connecting to AMS...midweeek departure in mid March, not exactly peak travel season....and they had about three dozen passengers to Europe on that flight alone.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-28 17:30:24 and read 3376 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 30):
    There is a lot of demand to Europe from here, more than anyone realizes

    Idunno...in terms of daily demand you're very roughly between ORF and SAT. I think with an airline hub MSY could totally support Europe service but absent that, it'd be tough.

    [Edited 2007-03-28 17:31:29]

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 17:42:46 and read 3351 times.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 31):
    Idunno...in terms of daily demand you're very roughly between ORF and SAT. I think with an airline hub MSY could totally support Europe service but absent that, it'd be tough

    I was with NW a few years back, and the 12pm flight DTW might as well have been called the "AMS Express". Typically more bags going to AMS and connecting to other European cities via KLM than domestic connections.

    I don't know what the O&D numbers are, but I'd say, at least, that we get 200-300 people a day shooting off across the pond...that's going by the number of bags I see tagged to LGW/CDG/FRA/AMS on any given day, and by a few of my friends over at AA/UA/DL, who give me the scoop as they know i'm interested in that sort of stuff.

    Anyway, I think Katrina set us back a few years, but it'll happen sooner or later. The demand has always been pretty constant from this area to Europe. Pretty much everyone at the airport has known that.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ConcordeBoy
    Posted 2007-03-28 17:51:46 and read 3343 times.

    Quoting Coa747 (Reply 28):
    Meanwhile he ships alot of his disadvantaged citizens off to Houston for them to deal with cause he doesn't want to.

    ...prolly the one thing he did right, 'least as far as we're concerned

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
    PHX has about three times the demand

    Quoting MaverickM11,reply=29:
    MEM has about the same demand as MSY



    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
    BNA has about the same demand as MSY


    What source(s) did you gain these stats/estimates from?

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: LAXdude1023
    Posted 2007-03-28 19:14:30 and read 3302 times.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 33):
    ...prolly the one thing he did right, 'least as far as we're concerned

    The folks in H-town probably disagree  Wink . My parents live in Houston and they always talk about how crime has shot through the roof since the Katrina refugees showed up. But at the same time, I belive most just want to make a new life.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 31):
    Idunno...in terms of daily demand you're very roughly between ORF and SAT. I think with an airline hub MSY could totally support Europe service but absent that, it'd be tough.

    Is demand from MSY to Europe really that low? I always thought there would atleast be enought to fill a daily 767 to a european city (LON, CDG, AMS, or FRA). If you do have figures for O&D to Europe, do share, Id love to see the numbers.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-28 19:26:35 and read 3280 times.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 33):
    What source(s) did you gain these stats/estimates from?

    MIDT bookings

    Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34):
    Is demand from MSY to Europe really that low?

    I just looked at it one way out of MSY and it's just under 100 PDEW...not bad...but won't fill up a plane without connecting traffic in MSY.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 19:29:14 and read 3275 times.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
    I just looked at it one way out of MSY and it's just under 100 PDEW...not bad...but won't fill up a plane without connecting traffic in MSY.

    Under 100 per day? To which city? Some days CO by itself has 100 pax/day going to Europe from here...same with DL.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: TransWorldSTL
    Posted 2007-03-28 19:40:59 and read 3251 times.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 27):
    Who are the "they" and "we" that you speak of?

    Six Flags.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-28 19:44:07 and read 3241 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 36):
    Under 100 per day? To which city?

    All of Europe

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-28 21:49:18 and read 3176 times.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
    All of Europe

    Those numbers just don't make much sense then. Perhaps it is talking about traffic to the city of NO only, that's the only valid explanation I can think of.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-29 00:09:42 and read 3123 times.

    MSY could not support a flight to Europe, imho. There are not enough people down here who are willing to drive to MSY to board a nonstop, instead, they usually go via ATL. In GPT, we get tons of trans-ponders and they all go via ATL and MEM. MSY could support more service to gateway cities like JFK and MIA.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-29 00:48:18 and read 3087 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 39):
    Perhaps it is talking about traffic to the city of NO only, that's the only valid explanation I can think of.

    It is to MSY only. That's why you need the feed from other cities to make it viable, in my opinion.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: United319
    Posted 2007-03-29 01:06:40 and read 3075 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 40):
    There are not enough people down here who are willing to drive to MSY to board a nonstop, instead, they usually go via ATL

    Actually, MSY continues to see a large number of drive in passengers for both domestic and international service. You'd be surprised how many people drive in to catch, for example, MSY-LAX on UA to connect to an Asian flag carrier overseas....or, MSY-IAD on UA to connect to Europe...etc. There are actually some people willing to drive 1/2 hours to avoid the hassles of the ATL airport when starting their journey, domestic and/or international.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 41):
    It is to MSY only. That's why you need the feed from other cities to make it viable, in my opinion.

    Well the reason why the numers likely don't match the actual demand, in my opinion, is due in part to the fact that people drive to this airport from BTR, GPT, even JAN/MOB to a lesser extent to catch a flight. I see it everyday. Also, the city sees a fair number of workers on the cargo ships disembark in NO and fly home from here...usually to places like Kiev, etc., which usually involves a connection in AMS or FRA.

    [Edited 2007-03-29 01:07:35]

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MaverickM11
    Posted 2007-03-29 03:06:40 and read 3031 times.

    Quoting United319 (Reply 42):
    is due in part to the fact that people drive to this airport from BTR, GPT, even JAN/MOB to a lesser extent to catch a flight.

    They're already included in the number. If they flew from BTR to MSY and then onto Europe then they would not be included in the number.

    Quoting United319 (Reply 42):
    Also, the city sees a fair number of workers on the cargo ships disembark in NO and fly home from here...usually to places like Kiev, etc., which usually involves a connection in AMS or FRA.

    Same as above.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-29 10:45:57 and read 2953 times.

    I know im not crazy about ATL neither, but I would certinly consider MSY a fairly large hassle when starting a journey. Limited parking spaces, jammed access roads, crowded understaffed TSA check points, over-priced food, and the lack of basic amenities in the terminal (wi-fi for example), all of which led me to switch to Jackson for all my travel needs, revenue, or non-revenue. Plus you dont have all the da** tourists jamming up the stinking security lanes in JAN. Its worth another hour of driving to eliminate the hassles.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-29 17:35:25 and read 2900 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 44):
    Limited parking spaces, jammed access roads, crowded understaffed TSA check points, over-priced food, and the lack of basic amenities in the terminal (wi-fi for example), all of which led me to switch to Jackson for all my travel needs,

    Let's break thi down...

    1) limited parking spaces.

    Where do you park? There are ALWAYS open parking spaces in the short term garage. The only time that those garage is filled is during the holiday season, Mardi Gras, etc. I park there everyday, so I know this one.

    2) jammed access roads.

    It's not like there's a mile long jam. Chances are you may catch the red light leading into and out of the garage. What does that take...5 minutes tops? Sorry, I don't buy that one. It can be a pain picking someone up from baggage claim, but not if you are just entering/exiting the garage.

    3) understaffed checkpoints.

    You can blame the TSA for that, not the airport. The TSA has the traffic figures for each airline. Besides, that shouldn't affect you, since as an airline employee, you can go to the front of the line.

    4) overpriced food.

    Hey, it's an airport my friend. What do you expect...99 cent burritos? Revenue has to made somehow.

    5) lack of basic amenities.

    There is free wi-fi in the coffee shop, and you can get a signal in concourse C...all the way down to C9 even. What other amenities do you need? There are book stores, gift stores, body shop, sports store, tabasco country store, house of blues store, music store...I mean this isn't DFW for pete's sake...people generally just buy last minute souvenir's at the airport.

    Hope you enjoy Jackson.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: TransWorldSTL
    Posted 2007-03-29 19:08:14 and read 2855 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 45):

    Where do you park? There are ALWAYS open parking spaces in the short term garage.

    I'm not sure about MSY, but at every airport I've been to, short term garage's cost $10+more per day than other options.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 45):

    You can blame the TSA for that, not the airport.

    I don't think he was specifically blaming anyone.. Just pointing out the reasons MSY is a hassle

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Tom in NO
    Posted 2007-03-29 19:20:20 and read 2843 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 44):
    I would certinly consider MSY a fairly large hassle when starting a journey. Limited parking spaces, jammed access roads, crowded understaffed TSA check points, over-priced food, and the lack of basic amenities in the terminal (wi-fi for example),

    MSYTrstar answered this one pretty well.....I'll add a couple of things:

    Parking garage: fills up on rare occasions. During the time my office was in the terminal, I parked in the garage, along with the vast majority of terminal-based employees. I was never NOT able to find a spot.

    Jammed access roads: an occasional baggage claim backup, but nothing that you wouldn't see anywheres else. Also, I would take that as a GOOD sign.....means our pax traffic is going up.

    TSA checkpoints: can be crowded on occasion like every other airport in the US.

    Over-priced food: CA-One's contract dictates no more than something like 10% above street pricing. Compares very favorably with most out-of-town airport eateries I've seen.

    Amenities (wi-fi): is coming soon. There've been some issues with it being proprietary and non-competitive.

    Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 46):
    I'm not sure about MSY, but at every airport I've been to, short term garage's cost $10+more per day than other options.

    Short term garage is $15 per day, long term is $12 per day.

    Tom at MSY

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: SCCutler
    Posted 2007-03-30 03:16:42 and read 2754 times.

    Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 13):
    Unless he plans on closing it then selling the land for other uses...

    ...He just publicly announced to the FAA he want's jail time for revenue diversion. What a dumb ass.

    Simple, concise, and right on the money.

    Corruption and arrogance are a marvelous combination, most entertaining.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: UnitedMSY
    Posted 2007-03-30 11:36:54 and read 2699 times.

    You were able to get a signal down on C? I know PJ's coffee has decent wi-fi but i was not able to get it down on C, maybe its my computer. The reason I am so disgusted with the restaurants in MSY is because they do not discount us employees. My neighbor put it well, when I told him about my "16.00" meal, he said he woke up at 3 in the morning with nightmares about it (sarcastic). The service at that creole carvery sucks....rude people, $10.00 breakfasts (nasty), no discounts, sorry. Personally I want to see CA-one go buh bye, and the restaurants replaced. I do give kudos for the Sonic and Popeyes, those are decent establishments. The problems I have with the access road are coming in from bonnabel blvd, it takes forever and a thousand years to get through it. Yes TSA sucks all over.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ExFATboy
    Posted 2007-03-30 16:26:22 and read 2662 times.

    Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 13):
    Someone please tell me how you sell a Federally obligated airport??? It's a self contained operating unit. The Mayor can't sell it, he can hire a private company to operate it or transfer it the State, but you can't sell it. Unless he plans on closing it then selling the land for other uses.

    I think you're getting too caught up in the use of the word "sell" - Nagin's not that stupid.

    What he's probably proposing is to transfer the airport to the State of Louisiana, while at the same time getting a promise from the Governor and the Legislature for a one-off cash transfer and/or a series of future grants from the State to the City, and using the word "sell" to try to convince his constitutients that it's a legally binding contract, not a political quid-pro-quo, which as you point out, it can't be.

    The "sale" also gives politicans from the rest of the state political cover for spending yet more on New Orleans' recovery, which has to be becoming something of a sore spot. Unless there's some operational advantage to the State owning the airport, this is the only reason I can think of for the state government to go along with this.

    As long as the cash transfers from the state come from the state's general fund, and the airport's cash flow is not tampered with, the law isn't violated. It's accounting technicalities and shady politics, to be sure, but as long as there's no explicit binding of airport revenue to cash flow to the City government, there's no violation of the law.

    Of course, since there could be no legally-binding contract here, there's no way for the City to enforce what's just an agreement between politicans, so Nagin's rolling the political dice here.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-30 17:00:28 and read 2638 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 49):
    The problems I have with the access road are coming in from bonnabel blvd, it takes forever and a thousand years to get through it.

    Well, the I-10 through Metairie is a nightmare. That doesn't really have much to do with the airport acess road running alongside runway 1/19, which is always smooth sailing. Getting to the airport exit, however, can be a serious pain, especially during rush hour. They are widening the interstate though that area so you'll always have people slowing down to look at the work that's being done. I usually take alternate routes when I'm going to the airport from that direction.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 49):
    You were able to get a signal down on C?

    Some FL passengers get a signal at C-9 from time to time, but the signal is stronger as you go down to the C1/2/3 area.

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: ConcordeBoy
    Posted 2007-03-30 18:39:46 and read 2610 times.

    Quoting SCCutler (Reply 48):

    Corruption and arrogance are a marvelous combination, most entertaining.

    ...welcome to Louisiana  Yeah sure

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Tom in NO
    Posted 2007-03-30 19:16:20 and read 2592 times.

    Quoting UnitedMSY (Reply 49):
    The problems I have with the access road are coming in from bonnabel blvd, it takes forever and a thousand years to get through it.



    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 51):
    Well, the I-10 through Metairie is a nightmare.

    You guys don't get out much do you?  wink  I could go on all day naming cities that have traffic a lot worse than ours. Driving the I-10 here is a walk in the park comparatively speaking.

    Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 50):
    I think you're getting too caught up in the use of the word "sell" - Nagin's not that stupid.

    Nothing surprises us where Nagin is concerned, and considering how much he and members of the New Orleans City Council trot out the word "sell", and how the word "transfer" hasn't come up once...no, I don't believe we're at all "caught up" in the word "sell". It is what it is.....Nagin wants to unload the airport, at a price, so that he can repair his city, plain and simple.

    Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 13):
    He just publicly announced to the FAA he want's jail time for revenue diversion. What a dumb ass.

    Bingo.....the FAA has to be enjoying a good laugh over this one.

    Tom at MSY

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-30 19:26:56 and read 2577 times.

    Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 53):
    You guys don't get out much do you?

    I'll have to amend that statement. Traffic between the 10/610 spilit and Clearview is horrific during rush hour. BUT, like you said, it's worse in LAX, IAH, ATL, DEN, BOS, etc.

    And you know as well as I do that the powers that be never let me leave this place. I'd get out more if I could!

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Tom in NO
    Posted 2007-03-30 19:41:47 and read 2573 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 54):
    And you know as well as I do that the powers that be never let me leave this place.

    I know the feeling.....we're taking our first vacation in almost two years after the girls get out of school in late May.....it'll be the ultimate roadie, SoCal and Phoenix/SoAZ (speaking of I-10).

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 54):
    it's worse in LAX, IAH

    The two worst I've ever driven in...

    Tom at MSY

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2007-03-30 19:47:11 and read 2564 times.

    Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 55):
    it'll be the ultimate roadie, SoCal and Phoenix/SoAZ (speaking of I-10).

    Make sure the girls have lots of coloring books and other goodies for that ungodly stretch through Texas!

    PS, you know you guys can get a Family Bedroom on Amtrak's Sunset Limited direct to LAX that sleeps 4. It would save wear and tear on the ye old auto.  Wink

    Topic: RE: Mayor Nagin Wants To Sell MSY To Louisiana
    Username: Tom in NO
    Posted 2007-03-30 20:11:11 and read 2546 times.

    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 56):
    It would save wear and tear on the ye old auto.

    We're going be traveling by ye old rental van. With so much en-route plans, we need our own wheels.  wink 

    Tom at MSY


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