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Topic: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BananaBoY
Posted 2007-04-05 18:00:16 and read 3948 times.

Thomson and (Thomsonfly I presume) are launching a new website on the 20th April.
In conjunction with that and their recently launched new long haul service, you can take a peek for yourselves.

http://www.thomsonflysenses.co.uk/


Mark

[Edited 2007-04-05 18:27:47]

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: Daleaholic
Posted 2007-04-05 19:16:01 and read 3825 times.

Looks very smart! I Like the DL style touchscreen IFE system too. Anybody know when these seats will be fitted and onto which aircraft?

Thanks,
Paul

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: Gilesdavies
Posted 2007-04-05 22:23:48 and read 3700 times.

Very good informative website and charter airlines are definately going to great lengths to enhance their long haul charter flight service...

I think they have been left no option but to do this, as LCC have saturated the short haul market to Spain and Europe and money can only be made on the Long Haul destinations.

By offering this level of in-flght service and comfort, they will be able to attract the more "discerning" pasengers who would have steered away from Long Haul charter airlines a few years ago.

I notice they emphasise the enhanced Thomson Premium service, even though this is likely to be far cheaper than scheduled carriers premium products. This is where they are going to make the money!

Does anyone know the config of the 767-300's operating these routes??? Will it still be 8 abreast (2-4-2), like how the 767-300's were before the upgrade, or will they follow the scheduled carriers and First Choice Airways to offer 7 abreast (2-3-2).

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BALboy
Posted 2007-04-05 23:22:16 and read 3629 times.

The config of the aircraft is 279; 31 premium economy at 7 abreast 37",and 248 economy at 8 abreast 33". When BY took delivery of the type, we managed to squeeze in 344 seats! ( only for 1 year though).

The 8 abreast 767 has been discussed before so I won't go there, but I would like to say that if you can, try it; it's not as bad as you think. Emirates do it on their 777 ( 10 across ).

YG is in service at the moment, with another 3 joining in the new config by May 07 ( I believe YI is next ).

I've recently operated a flight from a DEN and found the aircraft superb. It was great to listen to passengers telling me they appreciated the new config. The IFE is behaiving itself very well, with lots of passengers upgrading their seatback to AVOD for a £5 charge. If they don't want to, they can still enjoy a great line up of games, movies, TV and music. Headsets are free.

Its a step in the right direction. We will be compared to FCA who have less seats, its inevitable. We won't be compared to scheduled airlines economy, because people will always think its cooler to fly scheduled.

What I would like to mention is that because most of our passengers take the flight as part of a package, most of the price goes to the holiday company to pay for hotels, transfers etc. The airline recieves a small amount of money to pay for the flight, and I believe the average a charter airline recieves is around £20 per passenger. Compare this to majors who recieve alot more than this from their ticket prices. Hence why they charge for drinks and meals.

We'll never be cool, but our passengers will be comfortable and entertained, served by happy crews who are pleased to be operating on more comfortable aircraft.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BananaBoY
Posted 2007-04-06 11:16:00 and read 3472 times.

Read in TTG that Thomsonfly are to shortly announce a new long haul destination that is not currently served by the charter market. Any guesses?


Mark

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BA787
Posted 2007-04-06 11:29:07 and read 3458 times.

That looks really nice, just a shame they will become TUIfly really.


Hope I fly Thomsonfly Long-Haul, Any idea if this will stay for next years long haul ski flights to Canada/USa

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BananaBoY
Posted 2007-04-07 20:44:50 and read 3228 times.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
Hope I fly Thomsonfly Long-Haul, Any idea if this will stay for next years long haul ski flights to Canada/USa

Any idea if what will stay?

The refurbishment of the aircraft has cost £££'s so it is unlikely to be an interim measure just for a season or two.


Mark

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-04-07 20:51:44 and read 3219 times.

Quoting BALboy (Reply 3):
The 8 abreast 767 has been discussed before so I won't go there, but I would like to say that if you can, try it; it's not as bad as you think.

It's not as bad - it's worse. I flew on an Air Seychelles flight SEZ-CDG operated by Blue Panorama, with a 763 with 2x4x2 seating, it was absolutely hideous, a complete nightmare. All charter airlines are as bad as each other, dressing it up with a pretty website doesn't hide the fact that the legroom is rubbish, the seat width inhuman, and you will be charged extra for absolutely everything you would get for free on a proper airline.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BALboy
Posted 2007-04-07 21:04:35 and read 3193 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 7):
dressing it up with a pretty website doesn't hide the fact that the legroom is rubbish, the seat width inhuman, and you will be charged extra for absolutely everything you would get for free on a proper airline.

I think you need to re read the post.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-04-07 21:44:39 and read 3158 times.

Quoting BALboy (Reply 8):
I think you need to re read the post.

I read the post - it's time for UK charter operators to take a long hard look at what people want. Package tour business is in a death spiral, people like the freedom that the internet offers them to create and book their own travel arrangements - they days of the 3am departure and the ghastly bus transfer to Magalluf are on their way out. Squeezing people 8 abreast into a 767 is only possible because the great British travelling public has (up until now) not had any other choice - now that they are discovering the joys of scheduled air travel, they won't put up with it much longer. Why do you think FCA etc went back to 7 abreast for their Canadian business - because Canadian passengers won't put up with being sardine-canned like British pax will. People don't prefer to fly scheduled because it's "cool", they prefer it because it offers them more choice, better service and they won't get charged for basic things like AVOD.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BALboy
Posted 2007-04-07 22:07:30 and read 3134 times.

I don't think AVOD is a basic at all. Some scheduled airlines don't offer PTV let alone AVOD. Some scheduled airlines charge for drinks in economy. And more importantly, MOST scheduled airlines do not offer 33" seat pitch in economy. The FCA product on longhaul ( all longhaul, not just Canadian ) is fantastic.Your right, the british public will not stand for cramped conditions on longhaul, that's why TOM is responding too.

I think its great that the UK charter longhaul market is changing, its been a long time comming amd its all very exciting.
As for the comment 'better service', please explain. Are you suggesting that charter crews do not serve their passengers as well as scheduled crews or are you talking about what you get 'free' on board. Nothing is free, its all paid for from the ticket price.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-04-07 22:48:44 and read 3096 times.

Quoting BALboy (Reply 10):
Some scheduled airlines charge for drinks in economy

Correction. U.S. carriers charge for drinks in economy, on long haul. Nobody else does, although some European carriers charge on short haul (IB, SK).

Quoting BALboy (Reply 10):
Are you suggesting that charter crews do not serve their passengers as well as scheduled crews or are you talking about what you get 'free' on board. Nothing is free, its all paid for from the ticket price.

Service is not just on board, it's about offering (free) pre-seating, web check-in, flexible tickets, choice of schedules, possibility to interline or change carriers in case of disruption, all sorts of things that scheduled pax take for granted.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BALboy
Posted 2007-04-07 23:24:25 and read 3061 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
Correction. U.S. carriers charge for drinks in economy, on long haul. Nobody else does, although some European carriers charge on short haul (IB, SK).

Like I said, some.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
Service is not just on board, it's about offering (free) pre-seating, web check-in, flexible tickets, choice of schedules, possibility to interline or change carriers in case of disruption, all sorts of things that scheduled pax take for granted.

I'm sure scheduled pax take them for granted, and thats great, but like I said, its all in the ticket price. But were talking about the average holiday passenger taking their yearly holiday for the best price possible. Pound for pound, they are now getting great value for their holiday price. A scheduled airline can cancel a flight, a charter can't. And when your talking about someone's holiday, thats important. In the event of a delay, they will be looked after until they can be flown home.

But I digress. My point is, things are getting better, and surpassing some airlines economy cabins. That's a positive move.
I'm sorry you find it disgusting to fly charter.

Topic: RE: Peek At New Thomsonfly Seats & Service
Username: BA787
Posted 2007-04-08 18:54:14 and read 2890 times.

Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 6):

Not what I meant
I know the refurbishment will stay, I meant more the service that is to be offered, i.e. the medditerranean meals


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