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Topic: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-22 14:53:34 and read 15160 times.

Well now its official guys!

Dublin - San Francisco starts in October.
Dublin - Orlando [re]starts this Winter.
Dublin - Washington (Dulles) starts this Winter.

[Philledelphia & Dallas will probably follow]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...te-plans-following-open-skies.html



Article in the Irish Times:

Quote:

Aer Lingus welcomes confirmation of Open Skies and announces new US destinations
San Francisco, Orlando and Washington Dulles


Aer Lingus has hailed today's (Thursday, 22 March 2007) ratification of the Open
Skies agreement in Brussels as a momentous development for Irish aviation and
has confirmed plans to commence three new long haul services to the US before
the end of the year.

San Francisco, Orlando and Washington Dulles will become new Aer Lingus
destinations, with services from Dublin to San Francisco expected to start in
October. The expansion will increase Aer Lingus' US destinations from four to
seven and will lead to significantly increased traffic between Ireland and the
US.

Welcoming the confirmation of Open Skies, Dermot Mannion, chief executive of Aer
Lingus said: "Aer Lingus has waited a long time for this momentous day and to be
able to fully exploit the potential to significantly grow long haul traffic
between Ireland and the US. We are taking delivery of two new A330 long haul
aircrafts this summer and, with the proceeds of the IPO, are financially
resourced and strongly positioned to start three new long haul routes to the US
before the end of the year. Finally, Aer Lingus can offer the increased choice
of US destinations that our customers want and that will contribute to the
continued growth of Aer Lingus as a profitable and independent company.


Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer. No new Asian routes until at least next summer.

[Edited 2007-03-22 15:21:42]

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: ChiGB1973
Posted 2007-03-22 14:59:18 and read 15125 times.

Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

M

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-22 15:02:17 and read 15092 times.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

Id say we are looking at 3 flights a week initially. After the summer, there will be some additional capacity freed up from the existing A330 fleet also.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: IAD380
Posted 2007-03-22 15:24:19 and read 14961 times.

Good news! I think that EI made a wise choice by deciding to fly to IAD instead of BWI when it resumes flights to the Washington area. I am surprised that EI chose MCO or MIA. MIA attracts both business and leisure travellers whereas MCO is a tourist destination. EI passengers travelling to Caribbean and Latin American destinations could have transferred in MIA.

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer.

I thought that EI was a loyal Airbus customer, and it is unloading its remaining Boeing aircraft.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2007-03-22 15:26:34 and read 14951 times.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

Looking at the EI website at the moment, the following schedules are loaded for this winter:

DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

So that means 5 A333 are tied up with daily services, and 1 A332 will swap between LAX and DXB, so that means they have 3 A332 to serve MCO/IAD and SFO. My guess is IAD goes daily and the other 2 aircraft will swap around the SFO/LAX/DXB/MCO network with 1 aircraft to spare.

For next summer, DM (CEO) was on record as saying that if O/S was agreed, they had the ability to bring in 2 A330's for 2008 summer, so I guess that option will be excercised to allow daily services to a few places.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-22 15:29:42 and read 14936 times.

Does JetBlue have a hub in Orlando?

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer.

I thought that EI was a loyal Airbus customer, and it is unloading its remaining Boeing aircraft.

All the Boeings are gone, it is currently an all-airbus airline. The order is probably 50:50 between the A350XWB & 787. We will see more A330s ordered in the meantime.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: IAD380
Posted 2007-03-22 15:42:05 and read 14873 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
The order is probably 50:50 between the A350XWB & 787.

Interesting! I am surprised that EI would start buying Boeing again. I would think that an airline of EI's size would buy aircraft only from one manufacturer to minimize costs and maximize efficiencies.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2007-03-22 15:44:33 and read 14829 times.

Will EI codeshare with AA to DFW?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-22 15:46:37 and read 14799 times.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
Will EI codeshare with AA to DFW?

I think so, they already code share via JFK & ORD.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: MCOGVADCA
Posted 2007-03-22 15:46:49 and read 14799 times.

is the MCO flight going to be a charter again? That was extremely frustrating, and seemingly nonsensical that they would label the flight a 'charter' preventing travellers originating stateside from purchasing tickets (when the service didnt differ that drastically from a normal flight from what I've heard). Clearly the bulk of the traffic is coming from the Emerald Isle, but by not allowing us Orlando folk to purchase tickets EI probably lost a couple dozen seats per flight. If they flew out of SFB, it would make sense, but not as much out of MCO IMO.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-03-22 15:56:54 and read 14728 times.

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 9):
is the MCO flight going to be a charter again?

No this agreement means that it will be a normal scheduled flight.

I would like to see EI get the 787 but it will proberbly go to Airbus for various reasons incl . political.

It seems very tight to operate all those routes. If one goes tech they are screwed. Anyway good news for EI anyway.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
I am surprised that EI chose MCO or MIA. MIA attracts both business and leisure travellers whereas MCO is a tourist destination.

Exactly my point and the cruise terminal is at MIA and there is currently a 50% increase Irish cruise passengers in the last few years.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: COEI2007
Posted 2007-03-22 17:28:42 and read 14530 times.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

M



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
Looking at the EI website at the moment, the following schedules are loaded for this winter:

DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

So that means 5 A333 are tied up with daily services, and 1 A332 will swap between LAX and DXB, so that means they have 3 A332 to serve MCO/IAD and SFO. My guess is IAD goes daily and the other 2 aircraft will swap around the SFO/LAX/DXB/MCO network with 1 aircraft to spare.

For next summer, DM (CEO) was on record as saying that if O/S was agreed, they had the ability to bring in 2 A330's for 2008 summer, so I guess that option will be excercised to allow daily services to a few places.

I'd be surprised to see them launch IAD as daily. They'll hopefully leave slack in the scheduling, to allow the A330's to take turns getting a new J and some Y improvements!!!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I would like to see EI get the 787 but it will proberbly go to Airbus for various reasons incl . political.

I dont think EI would go with Airbus for political reasons. I think it'll be a Boeing order, but thats just me!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Exactly my point and the cruise terminal is at MIA and there is currently a 50% increase Irish cruise passengers in the last few years.

MIA could follow, you never know! Maybe they'll code-share with AA on MCO-MIA?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Ssides
Posted 2007-03-22 18:03:01 and read 14364 times.

I'll believe DUB-DFW when I see it but I'd love to see another international carrier at Terminal D!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-22 18:05:09 and read 14349 times.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 12):
I'll believe DUB-DFW when I see it but I'd love to see another international carrier at Terminal D!

It will happen some day!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: B742
Posted 2007-03-22 18:14:26 and read 14285 times.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

According to several other schedules; these are this Summers long haul flights flights:

DUB-DXB - 4x Weekly
DUB-JFK - 2x Daily
DUB-BOS - 2x Daily (1 via SNN)
DUB-LAX - 1x Daily
DUB-ORD - 2x Daily (1 via SNN)


Aer Lingus currently has 7 Airbus A330's:
A330-200s
EI-DAA
EI-DUO (To be delivered)
EI-EWR
EI-LAX

A330-300s
EI-CRK
EI-DUB
EI-DUZ (To be delivered)
EI-JFK
EI-ORD

Rob!  wave 

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2007-03-22 18:26:48 and read 14231 times.

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):
According to several other schedules; these are this Summers long haul flights flights:

I was listing next winters schedule, which will allow the 3 new routes to be served with no increase in aircraft (post the 2 that join in May/June) your list is for the summer.

Rgds

Pilot21

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-22 18:36:06 and read 14157 times.

Each of the new routes - SFO, IAD and MCO - will be operated 4 times a week (remember that's through the winter, so they'll probably build up to daily by next Summer); 4 wkly to 3 new cities is the equivalent of two aircraft; I'm guessing they'll send a 333 to IAD and a 332 to the other two. Given a pen and paper, we could probably work out how many aircraft they'd actually need; isn't it just GREAT to be able to say this!!!

As for new aircraft, they'll almost certainly need those 330s DM is talking about for next Summer; that's regardless of whether 350s or 787s are chosen.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Legacyins
Posted 2007-03-22 19:37:03 and read 13925 times.

Does anyone think EI will continue with their tradition and register one of their new A330s EI-SFO?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: AS739X
Posted 2007-03-22 19:42:03 and read 13874 times.

I'd have to agree that DUB-SFO will start at 3 or 4 weekly and upgarde to daily for the busy summer season. San Francisco is a traditionally seasonal destination, thought if EI start bringing in a lot of business traffic, this could change.

ASLAX

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: IAD380
Posted 2007-03-22 19:46:53 and read 13767 times.

What long haul routes do you think EI will add to its route network after IAD, MCO, and SFO? My guesses are PHL, YYZ, and maybe MIA. I have no idea which new long haul destinations EI would consider outside of North America.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: LHStarAlliance
Posted 2007-03-22 19:48:36 and read 13719 times.

What Asia routes do they have ??

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2007-03-22 19:48:46 and read 13719 times.

Green A330s coming to an airport near you!

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 17):
Does anyone think EI will continue with their tradition and register one of their new A330s EI-SFO?

I would have loved to see it happen but the newest A330 is EI-DAA and the new A330s due in May are EI-DUO and EI-DUZ. I was hoping for EI-DXB and EI-BOS but it looks like the days of special registering of A330s are gone.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: IAD380
Posted 2007-03-22 20:00:14 and read 13523 times.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
What Asia routes do they have ??

DUB-DXB

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2007-03-22 20:04:55 and read 13454 times.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
What Asia routes do they have ??

Just DXB as IAD380 mentions but rumours were that if OS failed, BKK among others would be announced for 2008 and a few Asia routes were in the EI booking system last year but it disappeared after a few hours.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: LHStarAlliance
Posted 2007-03-22 20:11:11 and read 13369 times.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 23):

Didn´t they had a NRT flight some years ago , or I´m confounding it with another airline ?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2007-03-22 20:20:02 and read 13241 times.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 24):
Didn´t they had a NRT flight some years ago , or I´m confounding it with another airline ?

I doubt it! They may have had a codeshare with someone though.
The only long-haul routes outside of the US have been to Canada in the past and currently Dubai. They are rumoured to be interested in CPT and BKK. There are others I'm sure but for now EI is concentrating on their most successful market to the US.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: AerLingusA330
Posted 2007-03-22 20:37:51 and read 13362 times.

What's the news with EI updating the interiors of the A330's? Has anything been set and has any work been done? Will the new 330's have a new, updated interior?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: COERJ
Posted 2007-03-22 20:56:01 and read 13352 times.

Congrats to EI for expanding their service in America- they will do outstanding on their new routes. Will they be taking away frequencies from SNN at all? Could someone refresh us on the new bilateral policy? I anticipate their new service- it was in dire need.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-22 21:33:15 and read 13119 times.

Cullen said in an interview that IAD would be first, then the other two:

"Earlier on Thursday, Irish Transport Minister Martin Cullen told Reuters in Brussels the service to Dulles would begin in September, with the other two routes to start in October.

Cullen also said current restrictions on flights in and out of Ireland, known as the "Shannon Stop," will be phased out as part of the deal to open up the market for air travel between Europe and the United States."

Not that I'm too pushed - it doesn't matter if one is in October or the other, November, although from what I've read on other sites, the 1:1 continues through the Summer season, until late October, then it goes to 3:1 and then, from next Summer, wide open!

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 24):
Didn´t they had a NRT flight some years ago , or I´m confounding it with another airline ?

No, they have never flown to Japan (yet!), but they may yet do so. Could be Malev you were thinking about; they leased a 763 for a series of charters a few years back. In time, EI will look east (and south), but the US is clearly their biggest market.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 21):
I would have loved to see it happen but the newest A330 is EI-DAA and the new A330s due in May are EI-DUO and EI-DUZ. I was hoping for EI-DXB and EI-BOS but it looks like the days of special registering of A330s are gone.

EI-DXB is still a possibility; EI-BOS is out, because the in-sequence regisrations are now at the DWs; indeed, after the DPs, Ryanair's next aircraft will be in the EI-DWx sequence, so if 'DXB is still available, it can happen. EI-IAD, MCO (probably EI-ORL more likely?) and EI-SFO could also be taken by EI. I'm not sure there was ever a firm decision taken to finish with imaginative registrations?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: LHStarAlliance
Posted 2007-03-22 21:41:09 and read 12981 times.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 28):
No, they have never flown to Japan (yet!), but they may yet do so.

Is it compatible with the new company thinking , LCC ?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 28):
Could be Malev you were thinking about; they leased a 763

Could be

But I still think they had an Asia route maybe it was the HKG , or I´m sleepy  Smile

Good Night,

Konstantin

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-03-22 21:51:05 and read 12843 times.

A little surprised they are going with Dulles and Orlando. I would have said Philadelphia and Miami, which was what Aer Lingus was hinting up until very, very recently. I still would not be surprised to see them at Philadelphia and Miami sooner than later. These three cities are certainly not the end. I doubt Dallas will happen. Dallas was talked about when they had a stronger partnership with AA.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-22 22:03:39 and read 12640 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
These three cities are certainly not the end. I doubt Dallas will happen. Dallas was talked about when they had a stronger partnership with AA.

You're right - absolutely not the end; there are apparently 22 cities (or 19 more, excluding these) where there is a demand/potential for services to Ireland. I can see SEA, DEN, LAS, PHX, DFW, MIA and quite a few others. The big concern now is the state of DUB; it's going to be a building site with its own runway next year; a new parking area for large aircraft is being constructed, BUT the crunch point will be the limited space for US Immigration pre-clearance.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 29):
But I still think they had an Asia route maybe it was the HKG , or I?m sleepy

I'm afraid not; I would dearly love to have seen them in Kai Tak, but no, they've never operated a scheduled service further east than Rome, until Dubai was launched. BKK is still a strong contender and we may well see that within the next two years.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-03-22 22:56:14 and read 12024 times.

I knew MCO would be back. IAD surprises me. Didn't they fly into BWI at one time?

MCOflyer

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: IAD380
Posted 2007-03-23 01:37:26 and read 10736 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 32):
Didn't they fly into BWI at one time?

Yes, they did. BWI is a smaller and more user-friendly airport that has more LCC flights. However, regular transatlantic service from BWI usually doesn't last long. EI, LY, and GH launched scheduled flights from BWI, only to suspend them a short time later. KL switched its flights from BWI to IAD. BA flies from both airports. Icelandic offers seasonal service from BWI. IAD, despite its shortcomings, is emerging as a major international airport. I think that EI is more likely to succeed at IAD than at BWI.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: UA772IAD
Posted 2007-03-23 01:42:56 and read 10685 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 32):
I knew MCO would be back. IAD surprises me. Didn't they fly into BWI at one time?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
A little surprised they are going with Dulles

Why is everyone so surprised? There is no service between Washington-Ireland, and there certainly is a demand for it- in terms of government traffic, business and tourism in the summer (on both sides of the pond). AA has a big enough presence at IAD to provide decent Oneworld connections.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-03-23 01:54:13 and read 10597 times.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 34):
Why is everyone so surprised? There is no service between Washington-Ireland, and there certainly is a demand for it- in terms of government traffic, business and tourism in the summer (on both sides of the pond).

Becaause for the past two years they have been talking about flying to San Francisco, Miami, and Philadelphia. It has nothing to do with the market, it exists, it has to do with the the fact that Miami and Philadelphia quickly became Orlando and Dulles. Though Miami, Philadelphia, and 3-4 others are likely coming in the next 2-3 years.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 34):
AA has a big enough presence at IAD to provide decent Oneworld connections.

Aer Lingus will be a member of oneWorld for eight more days. After that, bye-bye.

Besides, AA's presence at IAD is not big. Starting next month, they won't even be flying IAD-ORD anymore.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: FA4B6
Posted 2007-03-23 02:16:58 and read 10407 times.

Is it me, or did anyone else find it interesting that MCO, IAD, and SFO are all B6 stations (two of which are large B6 stations)?

Or am I reading too deep into things?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: SJCRRPAX
Posted 2007-03-23 02:30:04 and read 10304 times.

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 36):
Is it me, or did anyone else find it interesting that MCO, IAD, and SFO are all B6 stations (two of which are large B6 stations)?

Or am I reading too deep into things?



Well since they have a partnership with B6, it would be odd if they didn't fly to b6 stations.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: FA4B6
Posted 2007-03-23 02:57:46 and read 10114 times.

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 37):
Well since they have a partnership with B6, it would be odd if they didn't fly to b6 stations.

What partnership? Nothing is officially announced.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: SJCRRPAX
Posted 2007-03-23 04:44:56 and read 9501 times.

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 38):
Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 37):
Well since they have a partnership with B6, it would be odd if they didn't fly to b6 stations.

What partnership? Nothing is officially announced.



Maybe I thought it was a done deal because it was in all the newspapers and it seemed to indicate to me it already happened.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/20070207-044048-7531r/

"The partnership will significantly extend Aer Lingus' reach into North America," the Dublin-based airline said. "Customers will now be able to make just one booking, which will allow them to travel from Ireland to the U.S. and onto a direct JetBlue flight to 51 destinations."

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-23 07:08:14 and read 8998 times.

It's not a done deal yet; they still have to link up their computers and do all the technical stuff; I guess the commercial people have to work out pro-ratas, i.e. what the fares will be and what percentage will go to B6 and to EI. That should all be in place by the time the new routes take effect. It's happening guys!

EI's in for some significant competition, particularly from UA next Summer, which will be wanting to launch ORD and IAD-DUB.

It's quite possible that DUB will be one of a small number of European airports which will have all six US "legacy" carriers serving it: DL, CO, AA, UA, US and NW. I remember a time when there were none (1975-83) and then there was only one, NW and later, DL, for quite a while. We lost so much business and wasted so much potential because of the Shannon stopover.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2007-03-23 09:45:26 and read 8548 times.

NW is reported to be in final stages of discussion with DAA to open a Detroit - Dublin route next Spring. However the article in today's Irish Times which states this says most US airlines will wait for Open Skies to be fully operational before launching any new routes to ensure they can fully get around the SNN stop over rule. (which will be gone by then)

The article also states IAD will start on Sept 2nd, with fares available on line in 2 weeks time. IAD and SFO will be served 4 times a week and MCO 3.

So the winter Long haul schedule will be:

DUB - JFK x 3 Daily
DUB - BOS x 1 Daily
DUB - ORD x 1 Daily
DUB - LAX x 3 times a week
DUB - DXB x 3 times a week
DUB - SFO x 4 times a week
DUB - IAD x 4 times a week
DUB - MCO x 3 times a week

Not a bad list to start with!!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Humberside
Posted 2007-03-23 23:33:41 and read 7210 times.

Any long haul out of SNN?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Planemanofnz
Posted 2007-03-23 23:41:17 and read 7189 times.

I'm pleased to see EI expanding long haul but :

- Why Dulles? Why not BWI like before? Even PHL might have proven better, or will EI/US codeshare?
- Why MCO? I would have thought that MIA would have been far better to connect to Centeral & Latin America through AA?
- Why not Africa (CPT?) I thought that the only reason this wasn't started before was because of crew rest issues?
- Are EI still restricted in starting flights to YYZ, YVR or YUL?

I'm very pleased to see SFO on the map, it will be a much better route than San Jose.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2007-03-23 23:49:18 and read 7162 times.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 43):
- Why not Africa (CPT?) I thought that the only reason this wasn't started before was because of crew rest issues?

Probably still looking at Africa and Asia but their main aim now is getting US access, this is just the beginning of their long-haul expansion!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2007-03-24 01:27:24 and read 7068 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
The order is probably 50:50 between the A350XWB & 787.

If rumours are correct, EI will order 14 B787-9s

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: DYK
Posted 2007-03-24 01:54:18 and read 7019 times.

I was hoping Seattle was going to be one of the cities in the U.S.?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Af773atmsp
Posted 2007-03-24 03:05:56 and read 6935 times.

Is MSP a possibility? St. Paul has a big Irish population. Or NW will start MSP-DUB. I would like some green at MSP.  Smile

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-24 05:31:17 and read 6837 times.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 45):
If rumours are correct, EI will order 14 B787-9s

Interesting; can you say anymore? Was this from a usually reliable source?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: COEI2007
Posted 2007-03-24 18:58:43 and read 6598 times.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 43):
I'm pleased to see EI expanding long haul but :

- Why Dulles? Why not BWI like before? Even PHL might have proven better, or will EI/US codeshare?
- Why MCO? I would have thought that MIA would have been far better to connect to Centeral & Latin America through AA?
- Why not Africa (CPT?) I thought that the only reason this wasn't started before was because of crew rest issues?
- Are EI still restricted in starting flights to YYZ, YVR or YUL?

I'm very pleased to see SFO on the map, it will be a much better route than San Jose.

-Why Dulles and not BWI? Maybe Dulles offered EI a better package, or IAD has more potential?
-PHL will probably follow, with future expansion
-MCO was chosen as MCO is a big destination for Irish. EI flew it in the past, but due to SNN and other issues, couldnt make it work. It had a load factor of over 90% all of the time, so lets hope they can make it work! They're gonna be taking a huge chunk of DL's DUB-ATL pax, as a lot of pax on that flight transfer to MCO.
-CPT will also probably follow. As discussed on various Irish Aviation threads, in order to avoid long ground times when operating a CPT route, EI would really need to also launch a far-east route, which will alos come soon with expansion, and the imminent Long-haul order!!!
-EI are still restricted with Canadian flying. I'm sure they could make YYZ and YVR work though!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI787
Posted 2007-03-24 19:17:22 and read 6560 times.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 45):

If rumours are correct, EI will order 14 B787-9s

Wow. 14 seems a lot...are we expecting as big an order? I hope they go with the 787's though!

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2007-03-24 19:40:51 and read 6509 times.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 49):
EI flew it in the past, but due to SNN and other issues, couldnt make it work. It had a load factor of over 90% all of the time, so lets hope they can make it work!

There was a problem with the FA's unions on this route that led to its cancellation.

Quote:
Aer Lingus said today it is to axe its service to Orlando from 14 January 2006, and has blamed the union representing cabin crews following the failure to agree to necessary work practice changes, though IMPACT denies this is true.

Aer Lingus management had been in discussions with Impact on the cabin crew aspects of the airline's Business Plan since September 2004.

The airline says the union IMPACT would not agree to commercially viable work practices and say this will also affect further expansion into other long haul routes.

AdvertisementSpeaking on RTE radio this evening John Sharman, Chairman of Aer Lingus said he was dissappointed with the rate of change in respect of the business plan and the necessary work practice changes had not been achieved.

He said earlier in a statement that ' the airline will, of course, immediately review the action reluctantly taken in respect of Orlando in the event of a mutually acceptable long haul flying agreement being reached with Impact'.

Christina Carney of IMPACT, also speaking on RTE this evening, said the decision to cancel the unprofitable service had nothing to do with the cabin crew's refusal to change and that the decision to fly to Orlando was taken long before the business plan was developed.

Passengers who have bookings on Wednesday flights during September and October will be accommodated by Aer Lingus on its Tuesday or Thursday flights, and passengers booked on flights to Orlando after January 16th will be accommodated with other airlines. AerLingus said it will contact all passengers regarding the changes.

The Orlando route was launched in December 2004 on the basis of implementation of the Business Plan. It was envisaged that it would be the first of a number of such routes, which the airline would introduce.


Source: http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0511/aerlingus.html

[Edited 2007-03-24 19:43:26]

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-25 00:08:58 and read 6359 times.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 51):
There was a problem with the FA's unions on this route that led to its cancellation.

Problems with staff and crew rests are apparently what put to rest plans for a CPT route a few years back.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-03-25 00:23:06 and read 6344 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 52):
Problems with staff and crew rests are apparently what put to rest plans for a CPT route a few years back.

Yes that is exactly what happened and is a shame because it is a very popular route and I think that EI could have done very well on it.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 49):
-EI are still restricted with Canadian flying. I'm sure they could make YYZ and YVR work though!

Im not too sure as you have to compete with the Air Transat and Globespan chaters. Air Canada seem only to be able to operate summer time and this year have even scrapped their premium Y product for an all Y class.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-03-25 05:20:16 and read 6223 times.

I think there is sufficient business to be able to have a year-round route, although I think AC have the upper hand here; once we have Open Skies, I would expect AC to be operating year-round DUB-YYZ with 763s ... ultimately moving to 787-8s.

I would certainly expect Zoom to look at a DUB route. I do think EI could look at YYZ or YUL, but doing a tie-up with Westjet, just as it is likely to do with JetBlue at JFK and other points.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-25 13:46:33 and read 6045 times.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 54):
I would certainly expect Zoom to look at a DUB route.

So would I. A Vancouver route would be nice.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: COEI2007
Posted 2007-03-25 15:20:48 and read 5984 times.

Maybe YYZ could be operated for summer, and CPT for winter? They are both kind of seasonal routes, YYZ=summer, CPT=winter, so it could work???

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-25 15:24:01 and read 5975 times.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 56):
Maybe YYZ could be operated for summer, and CPT for winter? They are both kind of seasonal routes, YYZ=summer, CPT=winter, so it could work???

Vancouver might be a good year round route because of the ski resorts in the area. Maybe 3 flights per week. Zoom flys Vancouver - Belfast.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-03-25 15:29:02 and read 5957 times.

Well I guess it makes sense, who knows maybe EI should try it . The LTU (Slatterys) charters do quite well although they have been plagued by tech problems. On two instances the engine failed and they spent 11 hours on the floor in PMI with no information or asisstance so a reliable product would do well on this route from October to March.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2007-03-25 18:28:55 and read 5840 times.

All the above schedules ignore the shannon routes

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-25 18:33:23 and read 5827 times.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 59):
All the above schedules ignore the shannon routes

The talk of Canadian routes is on the presumption of o/s with Canada, in which case SNN will not be in the frame. As for possible route to CPT, the existing SNN routes are almost certain to be cut back from next spring anyway, which should free up some existing A330 capacity.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: N1120A
Posted 2007-03-25 18:42:11 and read 5801 times.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
I thought that EI was a loyal Airbus customer, and it is unloading its remaining Boeing aircraft.

The fact that the 787 is the perfect sized aircraft for EI is probably going to turn that around.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: AC747
Posted 2007-03-25 19:09:46 and read 5754 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 57):
Zoom flys Vancouver - Belfast.

Any idea how that route does for Zoom ?
I have flown from YVR to Belfast once in the past (mid 90's on a Club 747).
It was a nice feeling being back on the island of Ireland, but to be honest the journey to Belfast train station and then the actual train journey made the overall trip more hassle than transiting through LHR.
But, of course that was only for people like me heading Dublin direction.
Do Zoom fly into Belfast becase they want to, or do they go there because it gets them into the 'Irish' market without having the hassle of SNN ?
Would an Open Skies with Canada encorage them to fly South instead ?

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Danny
Posted 2007-03-25 23:45:47 and read 5601 times.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 45):
If rumours are correct, EI will order 14 B787-9s

To be clear - these are rumors created by internet forums.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 61):
The fact that the 787 is the perfect sized aircraft for EI is probably going to turn that around.

Not really. EI is in comfortable situation that they can get both 787 and 350 work for them. They need aircraft around 280-300 seats and both considered aircraft suit them well. XWB will have more room for future growth though.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-26 00:51:39 and read 5537 times.

I dont see what the big deal is with the A350XWB being larger than the 787. Remember that Aer Lingus just recently replaced BAE146s & 737-500s with A320s, and actually converted the four A319s that they did order into A320s. Also, these roumers are refering to the 787-9 only, which is larger than the A350-800. I think that from a size point a view, a fleet of lets say 6 A350-800s & 8 A350-900s would work just as well, if not better than 14 787-9s as there would be more flexibility. Aer Lingus' policy since W Walsh took over has been to sell larger numbers of seats at a lower cost.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: JerseyGuy
Posted 2007-03-26 01:10:09 and read 5501 times.

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 36):
Is it me, or did anyone else find it interesting that MCO, IAD, and SFO are all B6 stations (two of which are large B6 stations)?

Or am I reading too deep into things?

I too find that interesting especially since I've heard a rumor either here or on Flyertalk that B6 will be expanding its West Coast operations with the E190 sometime in 2008. It could explain Jetblue going into SFO. A west coast focus city at SFO with the help from EI feeding traffic could work, and would expand their presence on the west coast.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-03-26 01:12:44 and read 5494 times.

I wonder would EI consider returning to EWR, maybe 3 flights / week initially. That tristar was a nice sight.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Sflaflight
Posted 2007-04-09 04:49:41 and read 5089 times.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 65):
Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 36):
Is it me, or did anyone else find it interesting that MCO, IAD, and SFO are all B6 stations (two of which are large B6 stations)?

Or am I reading too deep into things?

I too find that interesting especially since I've heard a rumor either here or on Flyertalk that B6 will be expanding its West Coast operations with the E190 sometime in 2008. It could explain Jetblue going into SFO. A west coast focus city at SFO with the help from EI feeding traffic could work, and would expand their presence on the west coast.

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But going on that logic, FLL (which is a suburb of MIA - about 18 miles north in a county of 1 million people) is also a B6 key city (jetblues code for hub) station. EI could have 1) captured the leisure market 2) the business market (better a 30-40 minute drive south than a 2 hour connection) 3) the cruise industry and 4) B6 partnership. Maybe set up an agreement with WN to code share to MCO, TPA, etc.... or with 3M to latter and all it's Bahamas network.... or AA and OW's service to PR and the Bahamas as well.....

I know slots and space are tight at FLL but... I'm sure someone might squeeze them in some where
Just thinking....

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-04-09 04:53:44 and read 5071 times.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 67):
I know slots and space are tight at FLL but... I'm sure someone might squeeze them in some where
Just thinking....

FLL doesn't have slots. Space is tight, but Aer Lingus could go there if they wanted to. That being said, they aren't going to fly to FLL over MIA.

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Poitin
Posted 2007-04-09 17:21:55 and read 4734 times.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
Id say we are looking at 3 flights a week initially. After the summer, there will be some additional capacity freed up from the existing A330 fleet also.



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

While I agree with your estimate, EI321, 3 times a week is a bad idea because you end up having potential passengers being unable to fly one of their legs on the day they want to travel. That leaves the low cost flier who is willing to wait a day or so to get a lower fair. They would get a better RASM if they went daily. I for one had to go with someone else than EI for the LAX DUB run because of that.

Hopefully they will go to LAX and SFO daily. The SFO/DUB flight would be ideal for me, particularly if it could be SFO/SNN (My Irish house is in Co Kerry)

Topic: RE: Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes
Username: Mk777
Posted 2007-04-09 23:33:34 and read 4413 times.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 33):
IAD, despite its shortcomings, is emerging as a major international airport. I think that EI is more likely to succeed at IAD than at BWI.

Glad to see another European airline at IAD starting this winter. I guess IAD will get atleast 2 new airlines flying there. EI and QR. Sooner or later, we might see the likes of AI or 9W starting an IAD service as well  Smile, atleast thats what I am hoping for.


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