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Topic: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-18 19:26:32 and read 5356 times.

Edmonton International Airport saw busiest March ever
edmontonjournal.com
Published: Wednesday, April 18, 2007
EDMONTON — An extra busy spring break helped launch the Edmonton International Airport to its busiest month ever in March.

Passenger traffic hit 514,000, up 19 per cent in March 2006, and up 18.6 per cent for the first three months of the year.

International traffic was up 61 per cent in March, and 55 per cent year to date, mainly due to Air Canada starting service to London last fall. Transborder was up 25 per cent while domestic traffic rose 15 per cent.
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Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-18 20:53:24 and read 5331 times.

Does anyone know what schedule changes if any are coming for YEG? There hasn't been many adjustments. Then again WestJet and Air Canada don't have a lot of extra aircraft around. Prices continue to rise dramatically in Edmonton. Surprised not to see AA enter the DFW-YEG market.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growt
Username: Fly747
Posted 2007-04-18 21:21:11 and read 5284 times.

That's good news, but kind of expected. Parking was a nightmare, hopefully the construction will go as planned.
Does anyone know what the loads are on the daily LHR flight?

Ivan

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2007-04-18 21:22:58 and read 5277 times.

How is YEG-SLC doing?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yegbey01
Posted 2007-04-19 00:39:22 and read 5126 times.

Big surprise to me is that as of yet, still no increase to the US. How will they accommodate the extra demand??

AC is still running a single CRA to LAX and 2 weeklies to Vegas....Alaska (Horizon) hasn't added one additional seal for the last few years, NW dropped the third seasonal last year and it's not back on this year either...

Something tells me that this summer, tickets to YEG are going to be really expensive

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2007-04-19 00:57:39 and read 5085 times.

Why did CO leave YEG? I wonder if they will come back.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Tennisace
Posted 2007-04-19 01:35:46 and read 5034 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
Why did CO leave YEG? I wonder if they will come back



Quoting Flyb (Reply 1):
Surprised not to see AA enter the DFW-YEG market

Yes, I'm surprised that CO and AA don't have any presence in YEG with all the growth. There have been rumors of Jazz starting YEG-IAH with a CRJ705 eventually, as more of the E190's come on line at AC.
Also wouldn't be surprised to see LAX upgraded to E190 or Airbus. Westjet mentioned YEG-YYT as a possible future route.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Pacifica
Posted 2007-04-19 01:47:21 and read 5013 times.

so what's this mean for the terminal expansion plans? I've seen some of the drafts and quite frankly, the timelines set originally dont seem like they'll be able to keep up. will the airport try to expand its facilities quicker or what?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-19 04:31:16 and read 4888 times.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
How is YEG-SLC doing?

Heard they are often sold out, not sure of the average load...would guess near capacity.

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 2):
Does anyone know what the loads are on the daily LHR flight?

This route has loads around 90%. My company has problems getting flights to LHR because of high loads.

Prices to the US are outrages...then again I paid 1000 for a YEG-YYZ flight (coach) a few weeks ago.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2007-04-19 21:53:49 and read 4717 times.

I think YWG-SLC isnt doing very well

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-19 22:40:07 and read 4655 times.

I have heard that YWG-SLC is down to 1x daily now. Then again, how much business do YWG's flyers do in the western US, compared to the mid-west?

Heard today that part of the reason flights to the US are not growing is the lack of early morning departure slots.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-19 22:50:15 and read 4639 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 8):
Heard they are often sold out, not sure of the average load...would guess near capacity.

 checkmark  It is nearly full each and every day my sources at OO tell me. The next few month's will be tough since DL won't be taking any new 738 aircraft deliveries this year. Perhaps the AA/TWA 752s will free some up, but I'm told this route could go mainline anytime provided there is an available aircraft. Even YVR will be downgraded to a CRJ-7/9 for the afternoon flight for a few months starting in October tentatively.

Quoting Flyb (Thread starter):
Transborder was up 25 per cent

Keep in mind Edmonton is the largest Canadian city that is the greatest distance from the U.S. border. Unlike YVR-SEA or YYZ-BUF you won't find many Canucks driving south to a northern tier U.S. airport to do a flight further south in the states or to Hawaii to save. And the end result is...

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 4):
Something tells me that this summer, tickets to YEG are going to be really expensive

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-19 22:57:57 and read 4633 times.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
I think YWG-SLC isnt doing very well

I really think DLC/Skywest could do better from YQR, YXE or YQL to/from SLC. YWG is still too close to MSP and the NW hub there to be that attractive for a western states flight to a hub like SLC.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-20 03:53:47 and read 4503 times.

Rumor has it that once UA and DL have the mainline to spare they'll both place them on the morning runs (at least the early morning.) People are surprised here that LAX and SFO are still once daily. Then again LAX is AC and AC will continue to focus on YYC for good reason.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YEGinLeduc
Posted 2007-04-20 08:26:27 and read 4383 times.

I'm very surprised that there is still no Texas flight either to IAH or DFW. If AA Eagle did DFW with their CR7s, it would make for a very long CRJ ride. With CO pulling out a mainline 735, i think AA might be weary of putting in a full MD-80 into YEG as its very much an RJ/Express city right now. The capacity for paid first class seats might not be there as much as it is in YYC.

I think AS needs to start the YEG-LAX run. Even if it was just the seasonal like in YYC, the flight would do very well with snowbirds. I think LAX is way too big of a market for a single CR9 daily and if AC doesn't do something soon, then someone else has to recognize it and will come in and fill the void. I still feel that HP made a mistake to pull the LAX flight to go to a larger mainline aircraft and connect the pax through LAS/PHX. I believe one of the flights continues on to LAX still. They could have kept the LAX nonstop and continued to fill it along with the other flights they operate.

The trans-border area is very very busy in the morning but with the new gate sharing/common use that is starting, there should be more more ticket counter and gate space available. US Airways takes up alot of space with only two early morning flights. There is still lots of space in the afternoon and in the evenings for more airlines/flights once common use kicks in, but most new airlines would desire the morning departure for connections in hubs unfortunately. 6-8 AM is the busiest times for departures but if anyone wanted to move in after 8 AM, there would be gate space available. I think the WS flights to PHX and PSP leave at about 10 AM and great for snowbirds/vacationers but not for business pax. Arrival gates between 11PM and 1 AM would be difficult to as there are many flights arriving during these times and Canada Customs lineups as well as the baggage claim area is already very busy during these times. Line ups can extend up the escalators on a regular basis. These times with a pre 11 PM arrival and after 8 AM departure would probably be very undesirable for any airline as that is quite a bit of time on the ground.

Edmonton should continue to grow but the airport needs to continue to grow and become more efficient. More parking as well as the new terminal redevelopment are a great start. Its great to know that the bleeding to YYC has stopped and YEG can look forward to continued growth in the foreseeable future.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YVR1968
Posted 2007-04-20 09:29:24 and read 4362 times.

With all this growth, it surprised me to see US Airways doungrading flights:

LAS down to only 5 x per week 319 (was to be daily)
PHX down to daily CR9 (was to be daily 320)

That is a pretty big reduction in capacity.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YEGinLeduc
Posted 2007-04-20 10:59:47 and read 4337 times.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 15):
LAS down to only 5 x per week 319 (was to be daily)
PHX down to daily CR9 (was to be daily 320)

That is a pretty big reduction in capacity.

That surprises me as this is the first Ive noticed the CR9. That is really going to hit capacity in YEG this summer as NW didn't add the third daily nonstop to MSP also. Alot of the PHX traffic from YEG was probably connecting to Mexico though and with Westjet competing directly on the route with a relatively large 73G, the yields were probably very low for US with mostly connecting pax. Maybe they might switch back when the Canadian snowbirds start travelling again. It seems weird to me as the flights always seemed to be full.

I do agree with previous posts in that seats are going to be very hard to find and very expensive this summer with capacity reductions from the major US carriers. Hopefully this doesn't push people again to drive to YYC for cheaper fares as this is still usually the case with many major destinations.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-20 18:21:41 and read 4228 times.

A little questions. Will Air Canada being code-sharing those flights when the certificates are merged HPUS?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YOW
Posted 2007-04-20 19:19:07 and read 4182 times.

Quoting Tennisace (Reply 6):
Westjet mentioned YEG-YYT as a possible future route.

Or why don't they actually launch YEG-YOW? A route with over 150,000 O&D pax per year on it, is still stuck with but a single daily AC A319/320. This summer YEG-YHZ is 2x daily and the O&D on this route is like 50,000.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-20 21:53:43 and read 4102 times.

Exactly...just like why is YUL just starting and why is it just seasonal?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yyz717
Posted 2007-04-21 00:07:55 and read 4037 times.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11):
Quoting Flyb (Thread starter):
Transborder was up 25 per cent

Keep in mind Edmonton is the largest Canadian city that is the greatest distance from the U.S. border. Unlike YVR-SEA or YYZ-BUF you won't find many Canucks driving south to a northern tier U.S. airport to do a flight further south in the states or to Hawaii to save. And the end result is...

I suspect alot of YEG trans-border traffic hubs thru YYC which will depress the YEG trans-border numbers. The geographic location of YYC directly south of YEG along with its better US flight skeds and a not unfeasible 3-hour drive from YEG (for some YEG residents perhaps) will also be a barrier to YEG reaching its full trans-border potential on its own.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-21 00:50:03 and read 3996 times.

Yes a lot of people still transfer through yyc, however people still have more options that they did just a few years ago. Business travellers heading to TX usualy fly via yyc or den.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2007-04-21 01:42:59 and read 3958 times.

Great for Edmonton!

These numbers are a direct result of increased supply in the market, including AC nonstops to LAX/LHR/YUL/YLW/YYJ and YZF... and increased freq to YYZ.

Remember though, good passenger loads dont always equate to profits. As a rule of thumb, most airline fly schedules that produce high load factor consistently in most markets.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: WestJetYQQ
Posted 2007-04-21 02:04:35 and read 3946 times.

Quoting Flyb (Thread starter):

Passenger traffic hit 514,000, up 19 per cent in March 2006, and up 18.6 per cent for the first three months of the year.

Hoe do these results compare to those of YYC? How much growth does Calgary have this year?

Quoting Flyb (Reply 1):
Surprised not to see AA enter the DFW-YEG market.

I am surprised as well. With all the oil at either end, YEG and DFW seem like a natural connection.

Cheers
WestJet

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yyz717
Posted 2007-04-21 03:12:15 and read 3918 times.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 22):
These numbers are a direct result of increased supply in the market, including AC nonstops to LAX/LHR/YUL/YLW/YYJ and YZF... and increased freq to YYZ.

Mark, that is true of any airport that grows its traffic -- increased supply. So, it's not really an explanation for what's happening at YEG.

The underlying cause of this phenomenal growth at YEG is the extremely strong local economy and related factors such as high PCI, low taxes, a growing population. The increased supply you refer to is merely chasing these macro-economic factors and is not in itself an actual cause. If AC did not grow the supply at YEG, someone else will (or would).

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-21 04:37:10 and read 3879 times.

AC will continue to focus on YYC for transborder traffic. It would be interesting to see how much airlines make per passsengers out of edmonton on average compared to other cdn airport on some of these routes. Most transborder flights people pay between 650-800 usd.

The only airlines I see looking at Edmonton are Frontier, Continental (maybe) and AA.for transborder. If Canada ever gets a openskies agreement with the EU will probably see Martinair and other try service they have always wanted to have into YEG.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: AC183
Posted 2007-04-21 05:56:14 and read 3855 times.

Quote:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):

I really think DLC/Skywest could do better from YQR, YXE or YQL to/from SLC. YWG is still too close to MSP and the NW hub there to be that attractive for a western states flight to a hub like SLC.

YWG-DEN seems to be doing quite well. Don't know what the loads are like on YWG-SLC, we'll see if they break in on the market in the summer when it's back up to 2x. DL has to work on the marketing, though. NW has 70 years of brand name recognition in Winnipeg - DL has almost nil. And while DL can trade on NW Worldperks members to some extent, the fact that NW doesn't codeshare on the YWG-SLC flights makes that a tougher sell, because it's harder to do a routing that connects in SLC in one direction and MSP on the return (which is especially important for a route with low frequency, when YWG-MSP has a good schedule). DL prices also haven't been great when I've looked - limited schedule, marginal prices, and a hub with little O&D demand aren't the most promising.

DL gave up a lot of its market position in western Canada about 10-15 years ago. YYC-SLC and YEG-SLC were traditionally the main connections of those markets to the US. I remember growing up in Calgary at the time when the YYC route was cut back, I believe their YYC lounge was closed, and the YEG route chopped - DL dropped right out of its leadership position in those markets. It's still going to have to keep working on developing routes if it wants back in.


As far as Lethbridge goes, YQL needs to develop the east-west domestic market first, and build the core demand to fly out of Lethbridge. Not saying SLC-YQL is impossible, but it's tough to see in the near term. Bottom line is even though there might be some O&D market to SLC, there's nowhere near as much O&D market as out of YYC, and YYC-SLC only has aroud 2500 passengers yearly each way - the rest is all connections. And on connecting traffic it's tougher to break habits of driving to YYC for a nonstop flight... I'd say YQR, or YXE might have more potential (YXE is actually a little busier than YQR), although the marketing issue and lack of a natural O&D market might still make it tough.


On the YEG front, I've been waiting forever to see AA return to YEG-DFW... I have to wonder how they don't see the market potential there.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-21 20:29:01 and read 3723 times.

I almost wonder with Lethbridge if UX should take a swing that market with DEN. People in Lethbridge have Air Canada mainly as an option to YYC. I know people there would use the US flight if it was avialable. Then again, they do need to get AC to get at least a once daily into YEG from YQL.

As far as YEG goes, DL did lose a huge market share when they refocused in the late 90's. I find it funny how airline don't invest in such a promising market with strong return. US and UAl have both stated that YEG is one of there better preforming routes.

When CO did the IAH route until last year, they shot themselves in the foot by offering a red-eye flight for business travellers. I avoided that flight even though it was the only non stop flight

I do wonder if AA has attempted to enter the YEG market but wanted a earlier morning slot that isn't available. What is so bad with mid-morning? connections are still good upon arrival.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yegbey01
Posted 2007-04-21 23:48:40 and read 3647 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 27):
do wonder if AA has attempted to enter the YEG market but wanted a earlier morning slot that isn't available. What is so bad with mid-morning? connections are still good upon arrival

I think that you keep in mind that AA wouldn't want their aircraft parked for too long. if AA can't get a slot in the morning in YEG, it means it will have to be idle longer than nevessary..therefore, utulization might be an issue.

This is because most airlines prefer to fly into YEG at night and off to their hubs first thing in the morning.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-22 02:04:17 and read 3603 times.

Very true. Wouldn't a mid -afternoon departure work then out of YEG, with a early afternoon arrival in YEG?

Just seems strange to me that there isn't any growth in routes at this crucial time.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-23 21:27:12 and read 3355 times.

I got the eteam news letter this past week, very interesting stats coming out of YEG. Looks like Edmonton has more domestic traffic than YUL, and has surpassed YVR as WJ's third largest hub.

Still wondering if Prince George will ever see a YEG flight.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yegbey01
Posted 2007-04-23 23:55:53 and read 3291 times.

Well, when YYC had the same number of pax, they still had more destinations than what YEG has now.

I suppose once again the Airport Authority just can't demonstrate to the air carriers what the possibilities are out of YEG. having said that, we don't know what the yields look like

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yyz717
Posted 2007-04-24 00:13:52 and read 3275 times.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 31):
Well, when YYC had the same number of pax, they still had more destinations than what YEG has now.

YYC is a natural hub for YEG for US flights, but the reverse is not true. Hence, YYC will always benefit from more flight options based on its larger market and its greater hub-catchment market

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 28):
I think that you keep in mind that AA wouldn't want their aircraft parked for too long. if AA can't get a slot in the morning in YEG, it means it will have to be idle longer than nevessary..therefore, utulization might be an issue.

AA used to fly DFW-YYC-YEG with a daily M80 arriving at YEG late at night and leaving early the next morning. If memory serves.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 28):
This is because most airlines prefer to fly into YEG at night and off to their hubs first thing in the morning.

That's true of all US carriers into all Cdn airports -- the biggest "bank" of flights to/from the US is early AM/late PM.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-24 00:29:03 and read 3256 times.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 32):
based on its larger market

If your refering to size the markets are fairly similar.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-24 04:41:58 and read 3159 times.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 32):
That's true of all US carriers into all Cdn airports -- the biggest "bank" of flights to/from the US is early AM/late PM

Funny thing. DL's SLC-YVR service features an early morning CRJ-200, an early afternoon MD-90 (was a 738 until recently), and an evening CRJ-200. You're VERY correct about the banking of trans-border flights. Trans-border service is what can make or break a Canadian carrier which is why AC and WS are into it as much as they are.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-24 05:00:38 and read 3145 times.

Still don't understand why some carriers (ie Delta) don't have bigger aircraft out of YEG. Those flights are so full and overpriced it is crazy.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2007-04-24 05:02:18 and read 3143 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 35):
Still don't understand why some carriers (ie Delta) don't have bigger aircraft out of YEG. Those flights are so full and overpriced it is crazy.

Says who? Why is Edmonton a better opportunity for an MD90/737 mission than say PDX or EUG or GEG or YYC?

If profitability warrants, then you will see incremental capacity at YEG...

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-24 16:37:15 and read 3041 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 35):
Still don't understand why some carriers (ie Delta) don't have bigger aircraft out of YEG. Those flights are so full and overpriced it is crazy.

Until they get some additional 738s next year and some additional 752s (later this year), DL has a shortage of mainline aircraft. They can't even keep mainline service into YVR from SLC (they lost the 738 and will only have an MD-90 for a short while for the time being), even though they would like to offer at least one mainline flight from YVR, YYC and YEG to their SLC hub at the most opportune times.
As for the price, there is no WN competition yet on trans-border flights, so they are higher yielding cash cows for airlines like DL, UA and AA.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-24 18:13:31 and read 2997 times.

Comparing the prices of flying out of YEG and YYC, one quickly realizes how expense the YEG market is for the consumer.

Looking forward to seeing the bigger aircraft. UA like DL struggles with shortage of main line jets, but is looking at roling out the first mainline flights in to YEG late 07.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YEGspotter
Posted 2007-04-24 20:37:39 and read 2924 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 35):
Still don't understand why some carriers (ie Delta) don't have bigger aircraft out of YEG. Those flights are so full and overpriced it is crazy.

YEG is very close to it's maximum capacity right now - larger aircraft means longer lineups, etc. I recently went through the customs lineup at YEG after 10:00 PM - and we waited for over 30 minutes to clear customs (there were only 2 international arrivals at that time - granted, one was an Air Transat A330 that was full of passengers). I don't want to even imagine how long the customs lineups are on a weekday when many of the transborder flights are arriving. The bottom line is the fact that we simply don't have adequate facilities in Edmonton right now - our terminal is very new, but it's been outgrown much faster than expected. Until the terminal is expanded, I don't see how the airlines can offer much more service than we currently receive (unless they're willing to hit the off-peak hours, as some people have mentioned). Considering the hot pace of the local economy, and the fact that most construction projects take forever now due to the severe labor shortage, YEG is likely going to be stuck in a tough spot for a long time.

cheers

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-24 20:46:33 and read 2913 times.

Quoting YEGspotter (Reply 39):
I recently went through the customs lineup at YEG after 10:00 PM - and we waited for over 30 minutes to clear customs (there were only 2 international arrivals at that time - granted, one was an Air Transat A330 that was full of passengers)

Well, such a charter plane load of Canucks coming off a long winter holiday down south in the tropics will slow the YEG customs line almost as bad as an AC A346 arriving at YVR from HKG at the same time as my DL trans-border flight coming in there from SLC. YVR has a significantly larger customs check-in line than does YEG.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-24 22:12:48 and read 2879 times.

I fly in and out of YEG all the time Domestic and International and there are never lines like in other countries. I think YEG is working on having better signage for more flexiblity which will help. There is still room for growth even with this crazy growth. UA/DL and even horizon/alaska could be putting bigger plans on those tarmacs (if they had the planes) and the lines still would not be that bad.

Once again, YEG is going to have better signage thus better gate utilization (when is this happening?) hopefully providing more room.

To suggest YEG not get bigger planes in because of lines is a very drastic option.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-24 22:24:10 and read 2869 times.

Quoting YEGspotter (Reply 39):
Considering the hot pace of the local economy, and the fact that most construction projects take forever now due to the severe labor shortage, YEG is likely going to be stuck in a tough spot for a long time.

SLC is in a similar spot for airports south of the 49th, with all the DL oriented expansion that has gone on down here.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YVR1968
Posted 2007-04-25 03:05:39 and read 2809 times.

Looks like US Airways is pulling their YEG-LAS flights for June and July?

Resumes 5 x weekly A319 in August.

Makes no sense based on everything said in this thread.

Any ideas what's going on with that?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2007-04-25 03:24:29 and read 2794 times.

Demand for LAS tend to flatten in the summer peak month, mostly due to heat.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-25 04:36:54 and read 2769 times.

Quoting AC183 (Reply 26):
As far as Lethbridge goes, YQL needs to develop the east-west domestic market first, and build the core demand to fly out of Lethbridge. Not saying SLC-YQL is impossible, but it's tough to see in the near term. Bottom line is even though there might be some O&D market to SLC, there's nowhere near as much O&D market as out of YYC, and YYC-SLC only has aroud 2500 passengers yearly each way - the rest is all connections. And on connecting traffic it's tougher to break habits of driving to YYC for a nonstop flight...

The other factor for YQL getting trans-border service to SLC has been more GTF I'd say than YYC. By doing the trans-border by driving across at Sweetgrass, many $$$ get saved, yet GTF-SLC flights have a significant number heading to SLC and points south...LAS, PHX, LAX, SAN from SW Alberta. But what really in all likelihood is putting a YQL-SLC flight off the immediate radar scope at DL is the change in passport requirements for air travel between the U.S. and Canada. My wife grew up in nearby Cardston, and she points out that everyone she knew heading down to SLC drove down to GTF to get on board a DL SLC flight or for a connection further south, yet YQL is every bit as large a market as GTF.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-25 14:27:16 and read 2690 times.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 43):
Looks like US Airways is pulling their YEG-LAS flights for June and July?

Resumes 5 x weekly A319 in August.

Makes no sense based on everything said in this thread.

Any ideas what's going on with that?

I don't see that on their website, but it wouldn't surprise me. That route has up to 4x daily on it, and like mentioned summer demand goes down.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-25 15:50:51 and read 2660 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 46):
I don't see that on their website, but it wouldn't surprise me. That route has up to 4x daily on it, and like mentioned summer demand goes down.

LAS and PHX in June/July are some of the last places in North America I'd like to find myself in during that time of year!  hot 

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-25 16:22:39 and read 2641 times.

I lived in PHX and gladly take YEG year round that PHX in the summer.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Falcon7x
Posted 2007-04-25 17:15:39 and read 2621 times.

Found these stats very interesting,YYC pax are now connecting through YEG for the northern flights plus many other western canadian destinations.Who would have ever imagined????

Calgarians are connecting in Edmonton 20% more.
YMM +11%
YQU +49%
YZF +99%
YVR +33%
YQR +40%
YXE +61%
YLW +54%
YXX +160% (Abbotsford)
Victoria (I can't remember the ident) +35%

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-25 21:37:37 and read 2536 times.

Those stats are they for YYC connections through YEG or each centres individual connecting through YEG in 2006, with YYC up 20%?

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Yegbey01
Posted 2007-04-25 22:38:24 and read 2510 times.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 43):
Looks like US Airways is pulling their YEG-LAS flights for June and July?

Resumes 5 x weekly A319 in August.

I guess the only thing that I see is that seats to and from YEG this summer will be VERY EXPENSIVE!!!!!

BTW, I see that AC is adding a third weekly to LAS. Not that it really matters, but I have no clue how airlines are dropling seats during the summer season.

regardless, I am still hoping that AC somehow upgrades the LAX run at least during the peak season.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-25 22:45:02 and read 2505 times.

LAX 2x daily would be perfect. You know I actually like those 705's with the entertainment systems they are pretty nice.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Falcon7x
Posted 2007-04-25 23:05:05 and read 2483 times.

Those stats are for YYC pax connecting in YEG for onward travel.Those stats are up 20% over 2006,for just Jan,Feb,Mar.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2007-04-25 23:10:22 and read 2478 times.

Quoting Falcon7x (Reply 49):
Found these stats very interesting,YYC pax are now connecting through YEG for the northern flights plus many other western canadian destinations.Who would have ever imagined????

Why should it be surprising that YYC passengers are connecting through YEG to points north of YEG? They've been doing that for decades. YEG has always been the primary western Canada gateway to the North.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Falcon7x
Posted 2007-04-26 04:30:59 and read 2382 times.

Its not surprising for the northern destinations atall,YYC pax and most pax from other canadian cities dont have a choice in that matter.Seeing YXX,YYJ,YLW,YXE,YVR,and YQR is however a surprise to me.Great to see the connection market growing for YEG.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-26 04:55:26 and read 2366 times.

Some of this is also caused just naturally as the market adds more frequencies and destinations with WestJet and AirCanada, passengers have a greater chance of using YEG as a hub...especially if their airport doesn't have service to a desitnation YEG has

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Falcon7x
Posted 2007-04-26 05:35:51 and read 2349 times.

Yes but these are YYC pax connecting in YEG not somewhere else is what I am saying.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-26 14:37:15 and read 2295 times.

I understood.

Saw this morning that the airport hotel has been delayed one year. But two hotels are being built on the south side of Edmonton (Sheraton, Hampton Inn).

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YEGinLeduc
Posted 2007-04-26 21:47:19 and read 2243 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 58):
Saw this morning that the airport hotel has been delayed one year. But two hotels are being built on the south side of Edmonton (Sheraton, Hampton Inn).

They mentioned that these will be buit at Ellerslie Road and 101 st in the new Gateway Bussiness Park. There is also what seems to be at least two new hotels going up in the Nisku area along the highway. Anyone know which banners there will fly under? Theres already many hotels up across from the airport but these new ones should make it easier to find availble rooms as the current ones are very full already.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-26 22:01:02 and read 2233 times.

Hopefully they clean up that NIsku area in the near future, what a dumbing welcome to Edmonton.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YOW
Posted 2007-04-26 22:07:37 and read 2224 times.

Quoting Falcon7x (Reply 49):
Calgarians are connecting in Edmonton 20% more.
YMM +11%
YQU +49%
YZF +99%
YVR +33%
YQR +40%
YXE +61%
YLW +54%
YXX +160% (Abbotsford)
Victoria (I can't remember the ident) +35%

YVR +33%. I guess that means in Q1 2006 there were 100 YYC-YVR pax connecting thru YEG, this year there were 133.  Silly There's 25 flights a day on YYC-YVR, why would anyone need to connect, even with booming traffic? That's like someone from YUL connecting at YQB to get to YYZ. If you really were stuck, wouldn't you connect at YLW, where there alone there are a dozen connection options or in the case of YUL do YUL-YOW-YYZ? The booming northern numbers aren't a surprise. Edmonton's always been the gateway to the western arctic. YZF is a boom town right now too don't forget.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2007-04-26 22:12:33 and read 2214 times.

I wonder how many of those traveling YVR-YEG-YYC were actually AC employees who had to go through YEG to get back to YYC because the YVR-YYC flights were full? Big grin

It happens a lot.

Kris

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Falcon7x
Posted 2007-04-27 14:24:05 and read 2094 times.

Key note it used to happen alot,My sister is a YEG based AC flight attendant and has commented that traffic is high through YEG on all flights.Sure you get the few employee's going through EG.Kris,why is it as a YYC based guy that it never amazes me that you guys always have ''something'' to say about Edmonton making ground?The airport and traffic are booming in EG and that is a fact,and believe me its not because of AC employee's.  Wink

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-27 15:18:00 and read 2076 times.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 62):
I wonder how many of those traveling YVR-YEG-YYC were actually AC employees who had to go through YEG to get back to YYC because the YVR-YYC flights were full?

It happens a lot.

Kris



Quoting Falcon7x (Reply 63):
Key note it used to happen alot,My sister is a YEG based AC flight attendant and has commented that traffic is high through YEG on all flights.Sure you get the few employee's going through EG.Kris,why is it as a YYC based guy that it never amazes me that you guys always have ''something'' to say about Edmonton making ground?The airport and traffic are booming in EG and that is a fact,and believe me its not because of AC employee's.

YEG vs. YYC!  fight  Looks as if the three guys wearing stripes need to come in stop the Oilers and Flames from duking it out! LOL!  laughing  The Alberta Civil War is always fun!  rotfl 

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-27 17:04:01 and read 2039 times.

Going back on subject, I keep here about AA considering Edmonton. Does anyone know if they are one of the ones trying enter the early morning slot and cant get one? Seems strange that there is now OneWorld presence at YEG.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: SLCUT2777
Posted 2007-04-27 18:24:14 and read 2010 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 27):
almost wonder with Lethbridge if UX should take a swing that market with DEN. People in Lethbridge have Air Canada mainly as an option to YYC. I know people there would use the US flight if it was avialable. Then again, they do need to get AC to get at least a once daily into YEG from YQL.

They could also use a AC/Jazz flight to YVR and possibly YYZ. But given the cultural and religious ties to SLC (much of that part of Alberta was settled by Mormon pioneers in the late 19th century fleeing polygamy persecution), the O&D for a trans-border flight points more towards DL and SLC, even though many will argue UAX via DEN or AS/Horizon via SEA. You're VERY correct that YQL wants and will use a trans-border flight. The numbers from GTF say a great deal on this one.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: Flyb
Posted 2007-04-27 21:25:12 and read 1968 times.

I am not sure if YYZ would be a big draw for YQL, I would say YEG and then YVR as CDN destinations.

Topic: RE: Edmonton (YEG) Continues To Uncontrolled Growth
Username: YOW
Posted 2007-04-28 19:27:49 and read 1835 times.

Quoting Flyb (Reply 67):
I am not sure if YYZ would be a big draw for YQL, I would say YEG and then YVR as CDN destinations.

YQL already has YEG service with Integra Air.


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