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Topic: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Qantasguy
Posted 2007-06-01 07:03:55 and read 4107 times.

Just curious. Will Qantas operate all Australia/US flights with the A380, or will we still be able to ride a good ole 744 on some routes? I believe the inital order for the Airbus is about 12. Will the JFK flight still be operated by QF aircraft?

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: AznCSA4QF744ER
Posted 2007-06-01 07:28:25 and read 4057 times.

I believe a while back Qantas announced that MELLAX will be operated by A380, when it enters service later next year. Followed by SYDLAX, my question is since QF has two operations at LAX where will they be operating these flight from? I know TBIT can handle those LAXMEL flights. Those are ground handles by Hallmark and also there are gates available those jumbos. As far as T4 (AA ground handles) I don’t see how they can parked those plane there. They barely have enough for their own operation let alone close a few gates to accommodate a jumbo.

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2007-06-01 08:05:52 and read 3989 times.

Quoting Qantasguy (Thread starter):
Just curious. Will Qantas operate all Australia/US flights with the A380, or will we still be able to ride a good ole 744 on some routes? I believe the inital order for the Airbus is about 12. Will the JFK flight still be operated by QF aircraft?

MEL-LAX first, SYD-LAX second... BNE-LAX and AKL-LAX will still be 744 most likely although AKL-LAX may change in future to A380. Also there is more than 1 daily flight from SYD-LAX... chances are only 1 will be A380 at least initially.

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Gemuser
Posted 2007-06-01 09:47:18 and read 3855 times.

QF have a total of 20 A380s on order (12 original order + 8 options exercised). Once all 20 are delivered I could see something along these lines:

IF the intention is for all four Oz-LHR-Oz flights, in due course, to go A380 (and this seems reasonable to me) that accounts for 12, leaving 8 for Pacific services. SYD-LAX I would guesstimate would be 2 daily A380s non stop = 4 aircraft & MEL-LAX 2 daily (at least 1 non stop, maybe both) = 4 aircraft, that accounts for ALL A380s on order, still leaving B744/B744ERs on one SYD-LAX service, currently 3 weekly, announced to go 4 weekly this year, so most likely daily by this time; one daily BNE-LAX services and maybe one AKL-LAX, although there is a rumor that a A332 will be used AKL-LAX.

So short answer you will probably continue to see 2 or 3 daily B744/B744ER QF flights at LAX even after all the A380s arrive. As for the JFK tag nobody knows, but is is an possibility, eventually and maybe even early on if deliveries workout so that QF can lob the first A 380 into JFK ahead of SQ & EK.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2007-06-01 12:42:13 and read 3672 times.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
although there is a rumor that a A332 will be used AKL-LAX.

Where did you hear this??
AKL-LAX on QF is full most of the time... often oversold. If anything QF is looking at increasing capacity along the lines of an A380. The only way an A330 would be used (not sure how it would do range-wise Vs payload etc) is if QF operated a 2x daily AKL-LAX service. That could either be 2xA330 (a small gain in capacity), 1x744 1xA330 (about a 60% gain), or a single A380 ( about 16% gain).

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Ken777
Posted 2007-06-01 16:22:24 and read 3509 times.

My preference on QF's LAX-SYD route has been the one that leaves around noon. I doubt that this one will go to the 380 as there have been a fair amount of light loads over the years. Maybe as the last route to be converted, but the 380 would probably be more profitable on other routes.

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2007-06-02 02:48:22 and read 3285 times.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
although there is a rumor that a A332 will be used AKL-LAX.

I just heard that aswell.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):



Where did you hear this??
AKL-LAX on QF is full most of the time... often oversold. If anything QF is looking at increasing capacity along the lines of an A380. The only way an A330 would be used (not sure how it would do range-wise Vs payload etc) is if QF operated a 2x daily AKL-LAX service. That could either be 2xA330 (a small gain in capacity), 1x744 1xA330 (about a 60% gain), or a single A380 ( about 16% gain).

QF back in 2003/04 offered at one stage 12 weekly flights AKL-LAX for a few months they operated between 9 and 12 from August 2003 to June 2004, they then introduced BNE-LAX and for a brief period ran an extra MEL-LAX flight menaing that AKL-LAX reduced back to daily.

The configuration I read the QF A332's will have is 36J thats Skybed and 201Y, I think the flight would be dedicated AKL-LAX-AKL with the aircraft positioning from SYD once a week and maybe 744's still being used on peak days or maybe 2 services some days.

LAX-AKL will be over 13 hours on a 332 so problem is there would probably be diversions and fuel stops often, that is 1 reason I believe NZ went with the 772ER over the A330.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
IF the intention is for all four Oz-LHR-Oz flights, in due course, to go A380 (and this seems reasonable to me) that accounts for 12, leaving 8 for Pacific services. SYD-LAX I would guesstimate would be 2 daily A380s non stop = 4 aircraft & MEL-LAX 2 daily (at least 1 non stop, maybe both) = 4 aircraft, that accounts for ALL A380s on order, still leaving B744/B744ERs on one SYD-LAX service,

I think your right regarding LHR all 4 current flights on A380's taking 12 aircraft, with MEL-LAX 1 daily non stop A380 and possibly a second non stop maybe with a 744ER or 789 and SYD-LAX 16 weekly non stop plus maybe the AKL-LAX service originating in SYD with a 744 bringing a bit of extra capacity to SYD plus the AKL flight. This would leave say 1 A380 for maintanence.

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-06-02 02:55:57 and read 3278 times.

Can't see all LAX flights going A380 since QF doesn't have enough on order to do that and to do Kangaroo route with A380s (including major connections to SIN/HKG).

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
My preference on QF's LAX-SYD route has been the one that leaves around noon.

I flew that too. Nice flight, only about 1/2 full. But they PACK it with cargo, which is likely why it sticks around. I'm sure that each night there is some cargo left behind on their night flights due to restrictions that gets shifted to the day flight.

Topic: RE: QF A380 And LAX
Username: Gemuser
Posted 2007-06-02 05:37:44 and read 3144 times.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):although there is a rumor that a A332 will be used AKL-LAX.
Where did you hear this??

ZK-NBT in Reply 6 pretty well covered it. The problem with AKL for QF is the practical need to couple it with a flight from Oz, It used to be BNE-AKL-LAX and is now MEL-AKL-LAX, BUT I am sure that the good folks of MEL want that 2nd daily flight to be non stop. QF will want to accommodate them, but that leaves AKL hanging.

A SYD-AKL-LAXservice with aa A332 could work, maybe something like SYD-AKL-LAX-AKL-LAX-AKL-SYD, or if the timetable works and aircraft are available the A332 could cover one SYD-AKL daily and then AKL-LAX as almost two separate flights, with two A380 and one B744ER flight as presumed above I assume you wouldn't get much thru traffic on such a routing. B744s have covered AKL-SYD often enough in the past, I can't see the A332 being too big.

AKL-LAX is almost the same distance as SYD-BOM which the A332s will be taking over as soon as they arrive, so AKL-LAX should be practical

Gemuser


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