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Topic: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-26 17:05:32 and read 3600 times.

Ocean Air, the Brazilian arm of the Synergy group, owned by German Eframovich, announced today that operations with the Boeing 767-300ER will begin on August 15 with new service between São Paulo and Mexico City.

The flight will run 5x non-stop (due to bilateral restriction as Gol/Varig keeps 7 weekly non-stop rights between Brazil and MEX airport) and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

By September 7 they should also begin flights to LAD which should include a stop (not confirmed yet), that would be REC, SSA or GIG.

If the plans go right as scheduled, LOS service will commence up to the end of the year.

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Au
Username: S.p.a.s.
Posted 2007-06-26 17:23:59 and read 3581 times.

Nice development

Remains to be seen if and when they will get a second 767-300ER in order to launch the African routes. Rumour also has it that at least one 757-200 is planned

From what I heard, they plan to operate daily flights GRU-BSB-MAO with the B763ER, due to begin as soon as possible

Cheers

Salz

[Edited 2007-06-26 17:31:12]

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Sampa737
Posted 2007-06-26 17:47:00 and read 3527 times.

That's exciting news for Brazil and for Mexico. Any pics of the Ocean Air 767?

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Rojo
Posted 2007-06-26 19:02:03 and read 3478 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The flight will run 5x non-stop (due to bilateral restriction as Gol/Varig keeps 7 weekly non-stop rights between Brazil and MEX airport) and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

With only one frame, it will be hard to compete with AM and take the premium passengers...
I wonder which leg will be night and which will be daylight!!!

Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2007-06-26 19:11:57 and read 3475 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Ocean Air, the Brazilian arm of the Synergy group

Great News Felipe, Thanks!... this arm as you correctly called it, is extremely important for the development for the Synergy Group. I can only wish the best for OceanAir...

Quoting S.p.a.s. (Reply 1):
Rumour also has it that at least one 757-200 is planned

I heard that too, but in regards when Avianca ( AV ) start receiving its A-319/320 next year that might transfer one of its 757s to OceanAir...

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 2):
Any pics of the Ocean Air 767?

Yes:

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Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Adicool
Posted 2007-06-26 19:38:57 and read 3440 times.

question:
if AV is gonna join any alliance in the near future, would OceanAir follow?

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2007-06-26 19:56:13 and read 3429 times.

Lovely! More competition in the route! We are now just missing either RG or G3 starting MEX, any news on this? When is RG getting its B762ER for the route? And we are also missing MX to start Brazil! I hope fares drop, can't wait to go spotting to GRU!!!!!

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Tonytifao
Posted 2007-06-26 20:13:25 and read 3412 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
If the plans go right as scheduled, LOS service will commence up to the end of the year.

Guys, what is special about Lagos? I see Delta will be starting service there too. Is it OIL????

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2007-06-26 20:47:58 and read 3379 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
2x weekly will run to Toluca airport

This is very surprising... I am glad TLC will have more international operations.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
I wonder which leg will be night and which will be daylight!!!

I think MEX-GRU should be red-eye and GRU-MEX should be the daylight leg.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??

Not for long I think. If I am not mistaken, there is a deadline by which RG must restart the authorized routes that are currently without operations... if they don't restart by then, the authorities will be lost.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2007-06-26 20:56:31 and read 3365 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
Not for long I think. If I am not mistaken, there is a deadline by which RG must restart the authorized routes that are currently without operations... if they don't restart by then, the authorities will be lost.

The deadline is October 2007. If RG does not resume flights to MEX by the dealine its frequencies will be taken and other airlines could apply for the frequencies.

Rgs,

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Summa767
Posted 2007-06-26 23:06:59 and read 3301 times.

Very good to finally have some dates for a service that has been expected for a while.
No mention of LAX, I see. Even though OceanAir has the rights, I suppose that they still want to operate it via BOG, and that is the hurdle.
I wonder if AV applying for 2 extra LAX flights a week has anything to do with this.

Will be good to see that 767 actually doing some flying!

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-27 00:02:51 and read 3271 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??

Yes because of the Bankruptcy protection Law. They keep up to 180 days after the international authorities has been advised that they have the right to fly (on this case).

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 7):
Guys, what is special about Lagos? I see Delta will be starting service there too. Is it OIL????

Tony, oil and also tourism. Nigeria is also buying several other kind of merchandise from Brazil and this flight can help to increase the level of trade.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
This is very surprising... I am glad TLC will have more international operations.

Just because of the bilateral restriction Eddie. Brazil can fly up to 12x weekly flights to MEX only. 4 other flights can be done, but to other airports. Mexican carriers keep the same restriction, can fly to GRU just 12x weekly.

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2007-06-27 00:09:47 and read 3264 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The flight will run 5x non-stop and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

7X to MEX/TLC means the plane will be used more than 18 hours, daily! In my opinion very tight for a sole 763.

For instance, MX flies each 763 to EZE 18 hours as well, but only 6X weekly.

Interesting...

Fyano

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2007-06-27 00:14:41 and read 3257 times.

Quoting Adicool (Reply 5):
if AV is gonna join any alliance in the near future, would OceanAir follow?

That is the million bucks question, but I haven't heard much. Apparently approaches to Star in the past, but vague rumours only.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-27 00:16:59 and read 3256 times.

A second 763 should be arriving shortly, so they can even begin the flights with 2 frames. I'm trying to obtain the flight schedule.

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: C010T3
Posted 2007-06-27 00:30:17 and read 3246 times.

I wonder why they're even considering split operations betwenn MEX and TLC. I'm sure some people will get confused. Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Juventus
Posted 2007-06-27 01:39:30 and read 3196 times.

Welcome to Ciudad de Mexico Ocean Air.....

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
With only one frame, it will be hard to compete with AM and take the premium passengers...

I think Ocean Air will be considerable cheaper than Aeromexico, so don't be surprise if Ocean Air sees very high loads all year long. But yes, AM will make their money on the premium seats.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

Toluca is a short drive from Mexico City, if people can save $300 USD flying to TLC instead of MEX, its not a bad deal.

I'm hoping that both Avianca and Ocean Air will tag on CUN to their Mexico City runs

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2007-06-27 01:41:29 and read 3193 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Just because of the bilateral restriction Eddie.

Oh yes, Filipe, that's clear indeed. I just think that many O&D passengers will feel happy that the flight will be leaving from/arriving at TLC, and I celebrate that for the flyers and for TLC!

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

Well, CUN is tricky because it would be a 100% leisure destination, so the yields might be too small or even non-existing. While there may be an untapped market from MTY or GDL to Brazil, I think that choosing TLC will allow OceanAir to offer -awkwardly- daily service to the inhabitants or visitors of Mexico City and its metro area, which is a sensible business proposition.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: Cun757
Posted 2007-06-27 02:38:45 and read 3161 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
I'm hoping that both Avianca and Ocean Air will tag on CUN to their Mexico City runs

Yes... I hope that too... Nice to see more 767 in here....

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-27 05:06:43 and read 3110 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
Well, CUN is tricky because it would be a 100% leisure destination, so the yields might be too small or even non-existing. While there may be an untapped market from MTY or GDL to Brazil, I think that choosing TLC will allow OceanAir to offer -awkwardly- daily service to the inhabitants or visitors of Mexico City and its metro area, which is a sensible business proposition.

Right, business ties between Mexico and Brazil grow a lot during the past 5 years and the flights has been reduced ! There's a huge market waiting for Ocean Air ! Now the best alternative AM has to grow is really begin it's planned MEX-GIG non stop service, it's amazing how many Mexicans are connecting thru MIA and ATL to Rio.

Finally competition again on Mexico-Brazil !

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: AF022
Posted 2007-06-27 15:51:01 and read 3027 times.

How will OceanAir operate nonstop from MEX with a B767-300ER? Isn't the range of the aircraft too short for this?

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-27 16:09:33 and read 3012 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
How will OceanAir operate nonstop from MEX with a B767-300ER? Isn't the range of the aircraft too short for this?

No it isn't, Varig use to run this flight also with a 767-300ER during some time (when not using one of their 777-200). Even LAX-GRU is possible to run with a 767-300ER.

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: XA744
Posted 2007-06-27 16:24:13 and read 2997 times.

Felipe, looking forward to having great introductory deals on this new service from Ocean Air.

I will need to fly down to RIO in October, so definitely I will be riding that beautiful red " Seven-Six " to wonderful Brazil !!! ...

... cool 

Best regards

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Au
Username: C010T3
Posted 2007-06-27 21:39:52 and read 2888 times.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 22):
Felipe, looking forward to having great introductory deals on this new service from Ocean Air.

I will need to fly down to RIO in October, so definitely I will be riding that beautiful red " Seven-Six " to wonderful Brazil !!! ...

... cool

Best regards

Varig will also be reintroducing its flights to MEX. You should definately fly in October to Brazil. You should expect a fare war, since 14 weekly flights will be started in such a short period of time. May you'll come with a blue "Seven-SIx" instead.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2007-06-28 02:45:13 and read 2802 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Now the best alternative AM has to grow is really begin it's planned MEX-GIG non stop service, it's amazing how many Mexicans are connecting thru MIA and ATL to Rio.

Finally competition again on Mexico-Brazil !

Yes, well, they need to consolidate MEX-GRU as an all-777-200ER route, maybe even beyond 7x weekly. And GIG needs attention from AM as you well say.

It is not only MIA/ATL-GIG... I have seen people fly from GRU to MEX via ATL with DL and via IAH with CO too. In fact, there are lots of Mexicans going to South America and South Americans going to Mexico who use U.S. carriers and fly via DFW, IAH, ATL and MIA. Mexican carriers need to do their homework and start new flights.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
No it isn't, Varig use to run this flight also with a 767-300ER during some time (when not using one of their 777-200). Even LAX-GRU is possible to run with a 767-300ER.

Even AM used its sole -300ER to GRU from time to time. Also, MX is sending 767-300ERs to EZE from MEX non-stop, which is basically as far away as GRU.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: AF022
Posted 2007-06-28 03:04:52 and read 2792 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
No it isn't, Varig use to run this flight also with a 767-300ER during some time (when not using one of their 777-200). Even LAX-GRU is possible to run with a 767-300ER.

I'm aware of this. But MEX has a much higher altitude than LAX. Much higher.

Varig I know used to operate MEX-CUN-GRU. I assume MEX-GRU would have had payload restrictions.

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-28 03:35:24 and read 2783 times.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 22):
I will need to fly down to RIO in October, so definitely I will be riding that beautiful red " Seven-Six " to wonderful Brazil !!! ...

Wish you a nice time in Rio!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 24):
It is not only MIA/ATL-GIG... I have seen people fly from GRU to MEX via ATL with DL and via IAH with CO too. In fact, there are lots of Mexicans going to South America and South Americans going to Mexico who use U.S. carriers and fly via DFW, IAH, ATL and MIA. Mexican carriers need to do their homework and start new flights.

Mexico-Brazil could be right now a 4x daily flights market. One to BSB or Northeast, one to GIG and two to GRU.

Felipe

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: XA744
Posted 2007-06-28 07:16:43 and read 2723 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
May you'll come with a blue "Seven-SIx" instead.

Well, this time I believe it will be very worthy to give Ocean Air a try, since I can only imagine how much of added value they will be putting into their very first international venture. What do you think ?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):
Wish you a nice time in Rio!

Obrigado ! Care to join me for a Caipirinha loaded with additional Cachaca ?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):
Mexico-Brazil could be right now a 4x daily flights market. One to BSB or Northeast, one to GIG and two to GRU.

Very interesting what you mention here, Felipe. I always think that Brazil and Mexico have been traditionally underestimating the tremendous potential there is for mutual development in so many ways.

Best regards

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Au
Username: C010T3
Posted 2007-06-28 07:58:05 and read 2718 times.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 27):
Well, this time I believe it will be very worthy to give Ocean Air a try, since I can only imagine how much of added value they will be putting into their very first international venture. What do you think ?

Well, I'm not that sure... I wouldn't know... I just thought you had an eye on the fare, but I agree that trying a new airline is always fun (OK, not always).

Topic: RE: Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2007-06-29 05:18:53 and read 2610 times.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 27):
Obrigado ! Care to join me for a Caipirinha loaded with additional Cachaca ?

If i am in Rio, be sure about that ! Capirinha with additional Cachaça and a Churrascaria like Porcão in front of Sugar Lof

Quoting XA744 (Reply 27):
Very interesting what you mention here, Felipe. I always think that Brazil and Mexico have been traditionally underestimating the tremendous potential there is for mutual development in so many ways.

The point is that a non-stop flight creates demand. Imagine how many people from the rich Mexico City can travel to Brazil, how many business can begin between both countries as entrepreneurs realize there is space for cargo, for a quick travel. Imagine how many Brazilians can visit the secrets of Mexico and also marvellous beaches like Cancun. Imagine how many additional business (we already set up Boticario, Havaianas, Casa do Pao de Queijo, Spolleto, Habibs and other nice franchise in Mexico... more fligths could mean more companies looking for the ties of the two biggest markets in Latin America)

The lack of flights discourage travellers, a non-stop creates demand!

Felipe


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