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Topic: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SEAchaz
Posted 2007-06-26 11:58:36 and read 291358 times.

What a night, after a lot of waiting the doors finally open and this is what I saw! (The black line is a power line in the way - sorry couldn't avoid it)

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First 787!! Doors on assembly line have just opened.


Making her way in front of one of the 747 assembly line doors:

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Over by the paint hangers:

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(sorry for killing my original thread, needed to change some things)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Gunsontheroof
Posted 2007-06-26 12:00:18 and read 291343 times.

Well shoot...I guess I'll just congratulate you again. Great shots.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Peterinlisbon
Posted 2007-06-26 12:01:30 and read 291344 times.

Wow, what a beautiful aircraft!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DefAeroSales
Posted 2007-06-26 12:04:28 and read 291241 times.

Great shots! Thanks for making the effort for the rest of us to enjoy!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PilotRecruit
Posted 2007-06-26 12:05:38 and read 291242 times.

Even without paint she makes me excited! Thanks for sharing with us. The wait was certainly more than worth it  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 777
Posted 2007-06-26 12:07:20 and read 291187 times.

Oh my God!!!

Thank you for sharing these beautiful shots!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Tak
Posted 2007-06-26 12:10:39 and read 291084 times.

WOW, great pictures. Thanks for sharing them! Does anyone know whether the "stuffing" of this AC was started before heading to the paint shop or is it a bare shell at this time? Thanks, Ciao

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DAirbus
Posted 2007-06-26 12:13:48 and read 291025 times.

Great pictures. Congrats on the scoop!  champagne 


It's nice to finally see the complete aircraft. It does not have the triangular windows or the "shark fin" tail like the early renderings but the designers have done a good job in creating a distinctive look to the aircraft. The nose section in particular looks very cool. I would like to eventually see some pictures of the 787 parked next to a 767 or 777 so that I can get a better idea of it's proportions.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PM
Posted 2007-06-26 12:17:26 and read 290940 times.

The illustrations of the 787 haven't made it look particularly special but these photos show that it will indeed be quite a looker. The proportions look spot on (right down to those HUGE engines!), the nose is serious and dignified, the tail 'works' and the wingtips are stylish. The only thing I don't like is the rather twee nosewheel. Maybe It'll look better in real life.

So, 9 out of 10. Well done, Seattle!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WINGS
Posted 2007-06-26 12:19:14 and read 290880 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Thread starter):
What a night, after a lot of waiting the doors finally open and this is what I saw! (The black line is a power line in the way - sorry couldn't avoid it)

Excellent photos SEAchaz, thank you for taking the time to share it with us.  Smile

Well like I said previously the 787 is turning out to be very beautiful. I can hardly wait to see it fully painted, then I'm sure the true beauty will be revealed.  Smile

Is it just me or does the 787-8 look kind of stubby? I would imagine that the 787-9 and possibly the 787-10 will look even better. Its only a shame that Boeing did not adopt the 787-3 winglets onto the 787-8/9.  Sad

Regards,
Wings

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EIDAA
Posted 2007-06-26 12:19:31 and read 290878 times.

Great photos, thanks for posting these!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CaptSkibi
Posted 2007-06-26 12:25:31 and read 290755 times.

There's just something about the way Boeing makes her wings that I think is incredibly sexy.  cutie  Those wings sweep up already at rest, just imagine how much they'll sweep up in flight! (I realize that the wings are not burdened down with the weight of fuel.)

What a great looking aircraft. I can't wait to see her in flight! Great photos SEAchaz! Thanks for waiting up all night!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SEAchaz
Posted 2007-06-26 12:28:18 and read 290659 times.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
Is it just me or does the 787-8 look kind of stubby?

Very much so and these photos don't really show it either. I was amazed when I got a full side view of its profile of just how much it's shape changes (sorry no photos, police were busy with us at that point in the show). Anyways hard to explain but hopefully someone has a shot showing what I mean.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Rampart
Posted 2007-06-26 12:28:57 and read 290651 times.

trying again, maybe this thread will survive...

Brilliant photos, SEAChaz!

The engines are HUGE! Aren't they about the same diameter as a MD80 fuselage? Aside from the clever nose, that's the most distinctive feature, I think.

In the earlier thread someone had this point(can't recall who, and I should give credit, sorry, but this isn't my original thought): Aficianados and those in the industry are rightfully impressed at the huge advancement the 787 represents. And it's a handsome plane, too. On the wet blanket side of the argument, the general public will take only passing notice, and the rollout will make page 2 of the business section or later in the evening news broadcast. If it were Sonic Cruiser, however, it would be front page news, and EVERYONE would notice. Purely from a superficial outward appearance. If only economics and aerodynamics didn't trump art.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Hiflyer
Posted 2007-06-26 12:33:21 and read 290557 times.

Was not expecting the 767 style tail cone....and those motors are huge....there is going to be a whole new program of FOD cleanup with these birds....as well as pavement repair at older airports to make sure these things don't ingest breaking asphalt and concrete like the 777 encountered as some fields. (and then you study the pix and see how small the people are...whoa momma!)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EI321
Posted 2007-06-26 12:34:52 and read 290506 times.

WOW!!!!!!

It only really hits you how close the Dreamliner is to flight when you see it fully assembled. Its also quite a looker in the flesh!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BEG2IAH
Posted 2007-06-26 12:37:21 and read 290460 times.

SEAchaz,

Thanks for great photos!

BEG2IAH

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-06-26 12:37:28 and read 290459 times.

Wow, these are the pictures we've all been waiting for for like what...5 years? Great to see it finally come to reality. It looks great! Now we'll all be waiting for the rollout, power up, first flight and delivery and eventually we'll see them here in DTW!!!

I just want to edit to say thanks for the great photos!

I want to add something else.....why are the engine cowlings white? Weren't they saying a while back that they should make them all grey to make them more efficient? Did they abandon that idea?

[Edited 2007-06-26 12:39:13]

[Edited 2007-06-26 12:42:51]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AF-A319
Posted 2007-06-26 12:42:47 and read 290302 times.

Thanks very much... I had been waiting for these pics for years!

Great points:
-Overall shape
-Engine size
-Trailing edge of the engines
-Really looks like a E170 on steroids to me...!

The only disapointment is the shape of the wings on the ground: I wish they were more curved upwards.

Thanks again anyway.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2007-06-26 12:44:17 and read 290246 times.

Well done, Chaz!  thumbsup 

As I said in the other thread, I think the nose has an uncanny resemblance to the Caravelle I'd never noticed before. Perhaps we'll have something other than a run-of-the-mill twin tooling around. The artist's renderings never really captured the classic beauty the real thing seems to have.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Blue_angel
Posted 2007-06-26 12:44:26 and read 290250 times.

Great pictures !

Though, can someone tell me why the nose ins't painted as in this picture :
http://forumst.free.fr/image.php?ima...um%253D1%2526hl%253Den&frame=small

Or maybe it isn't this particular nose section used in the dreamliner one and Spirit just painted it for the show ?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jumpjet
Posted 2007-06-26 12:54:39 and read 290034 times.

I have to agree that's a very beautiful looking aircraft! Is it my imagination or are those engines absolutely immense? Whilst they don't detract from the overall beauty, they seem way out of proportion... Many thanks for the pics....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Maersk737
Posted 2007-06-26 13:03:14 and read 289863 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
I think the nose has an uncanny resemblance to the Caravelle I'd never noticed before.

Yes it has.

Very beautiful, can't wait to see the painted version Big grin


Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Moo
Posted 2007-06-26 13:03:39 and read 289865 times.

Quoting Blue_angel (Reply 20):
Or maybe it isn't this particular nose section used in the dreamliner one and Spirit just painted it for the show ?

That was a test frame built for production testing.

Nice photos, shes looking pretty good!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LXA340
Posted 2007-06-26 13:09:41 and read 289737 times.

Is the whole 787 project on target and will the first deliveries be on time, think ANA receives the first plane?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WINGS
Posted 2007-06-26 13:14:14 and read 289611 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 12):
Very much so and these photos don't really show it either. I was amazed when I got a full side view of its profile of just how much it's shape changes (sorry no photos, police were busy with us at that point in the show). Anyways hard to explain but hopefully someone has a shot showing what I mean.

Thanks for that SEAchaz. I'm starting to believe that the 787-9 will end up being the most popular variant of all the 787 family despite the 787-8 currently having the largest backlog of them all.

Regards,
Wings

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PM
Posted 2007-06-26 13:14:28 and read 289652 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 24):
think ANA receives the first plane?

Yep, and I'm well placed to fly on it!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Asturias
Posted 2007-06-26 13:18:26 and read 289548 times.

Wow.. it is finally getting there! Congratulations Boeing and thanks for bringing a new exciting model for us fans to enjoy  Smile

I can't wait to see it painted and ready to roll. First flight will be exciting as well.

saludos

Asturias

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2007-06-26 13:20:58 and read 289490 times.

Great shots - lovely looking aircraft. I particularly like the way the engine cowling is "serrated" (I'm sure there's a better word for that!!), but great to see it in the flesh, so to speak, at last!

It's a fine looking aircraft, no doubt about it!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: N53614
Posted 2007-06-26 13:21:46 and read 289488 times.

Well done sir! Nice to know there's a fellow insomniac based up near KPAE, armed with a good camera. Big grin

Great shots. Lookin' forward to seeing 787 fly!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Levent
Posted 2007-06-26 13:24:04 and read 289370 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
As I said in the other thread, I think the nose has an uncanny resemblance to the Caravelle I'd never noticed before

You're quite right there, maybe another example of classic designs coming into fashion again?

A nice looking plane she is! I had thought though that the wingtips would be more curved and the cabin windows larger.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747-600
Posted 2007-06-26 13:24:54 and read 289369 times.

Again great shots and thanks for sharing. Those big engines look like she'll be getting off the runway really quick!! It's a shame these shots weren't available 10-days ago. I think it could have headed off some silly questions directed at Carson & Co. at PAS2007.

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SAOAP
Posted 2007-06-26 13:28:18 and read 289260 times.

Beautiful machine!!! Can't wait to see her flying.

Cheers,

Marcelo

PS@SEAchaz: thanks for sharing the very nice shots!!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bringiton
Posted 2007-06-26 13:29:07 and read 289259 times.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 28):
I particularly like the way the engine cowling is "serrated" (I'm sure there's a better word for that!!),

Those are the chevrons , installed to cut the noise from the engines

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NA
Posted 2007-06-26 13:30:29 and read 289201 times.

Thanks to show us the first pictures of the bread and butter aircraft of tomorrow. I expected the 787 to look a bit more dramatic, its not that stunning to my eyes, quite ordinary even. Pretty it is, yes, but I can´t say Wow! The nose and the engines are the best-looking parts.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SirOmega
Posted 2007-06-26 13:33:23 and read 289153 times.

It sorta reminds me of a 739 w/o winglets. The 783 is going to look like a 737 on steroids. The engines reminds me of a 757 - the way they're huge in comparison to the A/C.

Beautiful pictures sir! Excellent work!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747-600
Posted 2007-06-26 13:37:37 and read 289045 times.

What also amazes me is that the wing tips are near the top of the fusalage in height. I can't wait to see what they look like just after rotation and above ground effect when she's fully loaded for a 8000 mile hop. She'll look like she has winglets. She looks great from the rear too!!

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Saab2000
Posted 2007-06-26 13:46:29 and read 288780 times.

Hmmmm.....

No overwing exits.

This plane will look good when it is finally painted and photographed in better light.

The nose seems to have some proportions of the Caravelle, but also a but of the aggressive look of the 757.

I like it and hope it will be as comfortable as my favorite wide body to ride on, the 767. (I like the 2-3-2 seating).

Maybe I'll get to fly one in the next few years!! Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-26 13:47:43 and read 288777 times.

Thanks a million, SEAchaz, wonderful shots.

Geoffrey de Havilland, who designed a fair few beautiful aeroplanes in his time, once summed up his design philosophy as, "I like a thing to look right. If it does not, although I may not be able to prove it wrong scientifically, I have often found out later that it is."

I think he'd be as pleased as we are with the 787. Sure does 'look right.'  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Cityguy
Posted 2007-06-26 13:51:55 and read 288661 times.

Awesome Photos! Thank you very much for a great wake up call!

This brings a lump tp my throat. It beautiful and I cannot wait until July 8th.

Go Boeing!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KLM772ER
Posted 2007-06-26 13:52:38 and read 288607 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 34):
I expected the 787 to look a bit more dramatic, its not that stunning to my eyes, quite ordinary even

What did you expect? That boeing invented aviation in a complete new way? Two pairs of wings? There are some physics that have to be fulfilled..  Smile

I like it and can't wait to see it in full colours, or even airborne  hyper 

Björn

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CrazyHorse
Posted 2007-06-26 14:02:12 and read 288333 times.

Great picture of a great looking aircraft, with a nice livery the B787 will look really fantastic.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jet-lagged
Posted 2007-06-26 14:03:31 and read 288333 times.

SEAchaz,

Wonderful pics. These must be the first publically shared photos in the world of the amazing beast.

Your first pic is beautiful - the layout, the colours . . . it captures the mood and excitement so well.

The thing looks rather thoughful.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NA
Posted 2007-06-26 14:09:15 and read 288162 times.

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 40):
What did you expect? That boeing invented aviation in a complete new way? Two pairs of wings?

No, but what I expect from this forum is the allowance to be critical, and not be attacked when I don´t join the choir of claqueurs. I don´t deny the 787 looks good, a lot better than the 767, and a bit better than the 777 it replaces, but its not the best thing since sliced bread. For my taste there are too many Hurrahs for a rather conventional looking twinjet. Seems the crowd is very easy to please.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Reggaebird
Posted 2007-06-26 14:10:46 and read 288103 times.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 21):
I have to agree that's a very beautiful looking aircraft! Is it my imagination or are those engines absolutely immense? Whilst they don't detract from the overall beauty, they seem way out of proportion... Many thanks for the pics....

I was noticing how large they were as well. Proportionally, the engines on the 787 look larger than the engines on the 777.

It's amazing how engine size can affect the perceptions of an aircraft, isn't it? Case in point, I think of how the small engines on the original A340's reinforced my opinion that the planes were unattractive throwbacks to planes from the '60's and '70's. Meanwhile, the larger engines on A340-500 and 600 planes make them seem more modern and attractive.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2007-06-26 14:13:17 and read 288020 times.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
Excellent photos SEAchaz, thank you for taking the time to share it with us.

Agreed WINGS, congrats to SEAchaz for a job well done. And congrat to Boeing as well. She is truly a beautiful airplane and I can't wait to see her in colors.

I dont think that other than the A-380 there has been an aircraft that I have been able to watch develop this closely. I think that the credit for this goes to the dedicated people here on the forum that have made it possible: MY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2007-06-26 14:20:47 and read 287757 times.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 37):
No overwing exits.

I suspect there will be provision for emergency exits over the wing....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flighty
Posted 2007-06-26 14:21:38 and read 287762 times.

One of the best threads ever! Thanks a million.

It sure looks like a 767-200 proportionally. Plenty of room to grow.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Reggaebird
Posted 2007-06-26 14:22:15 and read 287690 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 43):
No, but what I expect from this forum is the allowance to be critical, and not be attacked when I don´t join the choir of claqueurs. I don´t deny the 787 looks good, a lot better than the 767, and a bit better than the 777 it replaces, but its not the best thing since sliced bread. For my taste there are too many Hurrahs for a rather conventional looking twinjet. Seems the crowd is very easy to please.

I agree to a point. I think that it is more conventional looking than I expected. Looks like a chubby 757 or slightly remodeled 767. I am sure that will change when it's painted and we see it in it's real glory.

This is very similar to how I felt when the A380 appeared. IMHO, there was nothing groundbreaking about it. It simply went one step further in length of upper deck, size of wing, number of wheels, weight of plane, etc. Furthermore, I did not (and still don't) find it to be attractive. Nevertheless, so many others saw it remarkable.

It all comes down to personal tastes.

Reggaebird

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Womack17
Posted 2007-06-26 14:31:04 and read 287451 times.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 14):
and then you study the pix and see how small the people are...whoa momma!)

I didn't even think of doing that until you said something. Her incredible size is actually misleading if you look at the plane as a single entity without placing objects around her in perspective. The white car with the flashing yellow lights at the end of her port side really brought the size of this beauty into focus. I initially noticed the huge engines but looking at the car is a stunning visual representation of the size of this newest Boeing baby!

Kudos to you SEAchaz for the stunning photography. The shot I am referring to, regarding her proportional size in relation to the white car, is now the background of my PC!!

Incidentally, I must plead ignorance on one point and would appreciate some information. How many pax will the 787 carry is an all Y-class configuration at 32" pitch?

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
Yep, and I'm well placed to fly on it!

Looking for a new best friend?  biggrin 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Nijltje
Posted 2007-06-26 14:32:22 and read 287379 times.

WOW WOW WOW WOW nice one, is it just me but those engines are damn close to the ground

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2007-06-26 14:33:27 and read 287353 times.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 45):
I dont think that other than the A-380 there has been an aircraft that I have been able to watch develop this closely. I think that the credit for this goes to the dedicated people here on the forum that have made it possible: MY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.

Excellent thoughts, and I'd like to add my appreciation as well. When I was young, pure and innocent, I'd have been beside myself to have the same access to the development of the 747 that's been provided with the 787. Well done, everyone!  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Blue_Angel
Posted 2007-06-26 14:34:00 and read 287355 times.

She looks quite low on her wheels compared to say a 777 :
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1228468/M/

Is it temporary or definitive ?  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Drgmobile
Posted 2007-06-26 14:36:03 and read 287117 times.

Looks to me like a 767 with bigger engines.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Atlantaflyboy
Posted 2007-06-26 14:37:13 and read 287114 times.

For Some reason she visually reminds me of the 767-200 - short and stubby and in need of some slim-fast. I have a feeling the 787-9, and -10 (if it ever is launched) will look much more elegant in the same way the 767-300 and -400 do to me.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2007-06-26 14:37:43 and read 287114 times.

Very nice. Cannot wait to see her fly - Great job Boeing - congrats one and all.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Rev3oh2
Posted 2007-06-26 14:39:29 and read 286995 times.

Love those chevrons on the rear of the engine cowling....sort of gives it a look like some of the fiery paint schemes on an old Ford Thunderbird.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-26 14:39:33 and read 286997 times.

Quoting Nijltje (Reply 50):
is it just me but those engines are damn close to the ground

I've been wondering about that - only about six feet of clearance. Anyone know about modern undercarriages? My guess is that, with no power on yet, the hydraulics are not yet powered up and charged with fluid?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Corsair1107
Posted 2007-06-26 14:40:20 and read 286876 times.

looks like a 757 jumped a 767 in a dark alley...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Eatmybologna
Posted 2007-06-26 14:41:42 and read 286874 times.

I think her looks have contradictory elements. Her fuselage looks sweeping, docile, and smooth, while her engines look aggressive and have bite. A little schizophrenic in a nature I'd say. Nothing that the big Daddy A380 couldn't hold at bay, I'd imagine  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Typhaerion
Posted 2007-06-26 14:42:21 and read 286760 times.

You may have lost some sleep over the deal, but with those photos you have managed to capture the hearts of the A.net community. Thank you for your hard work and dedication and for sharing with us SEAchaz.


Simply stunning.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirportGal
Posted 2007-06-26 14:42:38 and read 286760 times.

SEAchaz - I'm trying to figure out where you were sitting when you took these pix....

I SO wanted to be there when it rolled across the 526......

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NADC10Fan
Posted 2007-06-26 14:43:34 and read 286762 times.

SEAchaz, you've met my fondest wish on here. Thank you so much for your willingness, patience and ability to bring these photos to the table.

I find them entirely worthy of the anticipation! NAV20, I agree - this is an aircraft that looks right, that looks just as it ought. Even with those gi-normous engines! Next stop - paint shop, then the ground testing, and ... first flight!

NA ... by all means, we should be critical where and as warranted. And honest. And able to disagree with one another, because - in this case - beauty is not subjective, but entirely objective. Please keep right on being that way!  Wink Peace, brother.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2007-06-26 14:44:39 and read 286656 times.

As I said before I am thrilled by the look of the plane and by the “look” of her sales number, too.

What is the purpose of that big poster in the second picture (with the woman, which looks as if she has been watching R. Kelly videos for too long)? Is it related to the roll-out ceremony? Although I often see pictures from Everett I never noticed it before.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Revelation
Posted 2007-06-26 14:49:52 and read 286413 times.

Very nice plane. One observation is it seems to have a bit more 'forehead' than older designs, not as bad as A380, but it seems to be a trend.

One can see how much unused space there is above the passenger cabin. Some day someone will think of a way to make money off that space.

I'm wondering what the diagonal stipe is above each doorway.

Thanks for your efforts in getting the shots, Chaz.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Maersk737
Posted 2007-06-26 14:51:29 and read 286281 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 57):
I've been wondering about that - only about six feet of clearance. Anyone know about modern undercarriages? My guess is that, with no power on yet, the hydraulics are not yet powered up and charged with fluid?

I don't think they have moved the plane without hydraulic fluid? That would damage the undercarriage, wouldn't it? Or am I totally wrong here?

Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: TuRbUleNc3
Posted 2007-06-26 14:52:12 and read 286142 times.

Wow! thats brilliant ..those engines are HUUUUUUGEEEE!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Birdseed
Posted 2007-06-26 14:53:01 and read 286139 times.

Wonderful! Thanks for staying up late to get these shots and posting them so quickly. Can't wait for first flight!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2007-06-26 14:56:43 and read 285887 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 64):
I'm wondering what the diagonal stipe is above each doorway.

I believe that's the rain gutter.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirSpare
Posted 2007-06-26 14:57:39 and read 285887 times.

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 36):
wing tips are near the top of the fusalage in height

I am guessing that the outboard wing sections are very lightly loaded, and the raked wing tips will be most effective in flight with a some amount of bending (more then we're used to seeing) up at the tips.

Is there some applications of the area rule at the root? Looks like like it.

What a beauty! SEAChaz, I join the chorus of thank yous!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: TupolevTu154
Posted 2007-06-26 14:57:45 and read 285886 times.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 14):
Was not expecting the 767 style tail cone

Yes indeed, I personally feel that a 777 style APU would suit it alot better.

What a beauty though, interesting to see the sweep above the wing root!

Very nice pictures, I'm sure you've been rewarded by publishers  Wink

Tom Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Pilotdude09
Posted 2007-06-26 14:59:29 and read 285748 times.

As i said on the first thread, great looking plane with HUGE engines!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bwest
Posted 2007-06-26 15:00:29 and read 285625 times.

Great pictures! Thanks a lot!

I don't really understand people criticizing the looks of the plane... it is designed to fly, save fuel and be fast, not to look good  Wink

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Dougloid
Posted 2007-06-26 15:00:44 and read 285623 times.

Great photos. Like some folks have observed, those are some huge fans, not a lot of ground clearance either.

It's the real deal, folks. It came from all over but it was born in the USA. This IS the largest civilian CFRP aircraft ever made. Talk about betting the farm.

When I worked for Douglas I'd preflight the no. 2 engine on the MD11 because nobody else liked going up in the cherry pickers. I'd walk down that tunnel to the fan, sometimes I'd just sit with my feet dangling out and have a look around at the world, look for loose fasteners and the like, but those engines weren't nearly as large in diameter.

No doubt. I'm headed for Renton for the first flight.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Davidlc3
Posted 2007-06-26 15:03:04 and read 285504 times.

A couple of things I find interesting...

First, the strong angle the a/c has when looking at it from the side (nose down....) Older a/c had a slight angle like this but the 787 seems more pronounced.

Also, in the un-painted version the doors look huge!

What an incredible looking machine...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Warreng24
Posted 2007-06-26 15:09:19 and read 285146 times.

Beautiful pictures. Beautiful aircraft. Congratulations Boeing.

Kudos to yourself and all the other photographers that waited around all night.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jamesbuk
Posted 2007-06-26 15:21:07 and read 284413 times.

Wow nice pics,

Thats one short and stubby plane though isnt it? Maybe its the engines that make it look small i dont know but well it looks very short in length.

Looking gooood though Big grin

Rgds --James--

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DL021
Posted 2007-06-26 15:21:53 and read 284414 times.

Let us know if you need bail money....those photos will get you a collection fund moving pretty quickly.

Well done and thanks.


Yes...those engines are huge and they make the bird look like a cross between a 767 and a 757.....I'll bet the landing gear is fairly tall to get clearance for the nacelles. Beautiful tail and wings....the body is obviously dictated by aerodynamics more than the Teague people......I can't wait to see it fly....heck...I can't wait to fly in one.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-26 15:24:29 and read 284161 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 34):
Thanks to show us the first pictures of the bread and butter aircraft of tomorrow. I expected the 787 to look a bit more dramatic, its not that stunning to my eyes, quite ordinary even. Pretty it is, yes, but I can�t say Wow! The nose and the engines are the best-looking parts.

Looks like a 767-200 with a Caravelle nose for me. Nice aircraft but definitely nothing spectacular if you don't know about the new technologies installed. Just from its looks will not stick out of todays airports with all 757s, 767s, A330s.
Nevertheless this aircraft will make flying more economical, it is more environmental friendly and its cabin will offer great comfort so I am looking forward flying on one of those.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 22right
Posted 2007-06-26 15:27:28 and read 284020 times.

Yahoo.... another aircraft that looks like a 767. Woohoo!!! After this I am thinking that the A380 looks like a sexy beauty. I think the days of beautiful new aircraft are over. We are in for generic twins for the next 100 years or so.

:-(

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BladeLWS
Posted 2007-06-26 15:31:47 and read 283738 times.

It looks great! Can't wait to see it in Boeing colors!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-26 15:32:54 and read 283634 times.

One thing that comes over even before painting is how perfectly smooth all the surfaces are - fuselage, wings, stabilisers.....Not a rivet or a panel joint to be seen.

Way back in WW2 the 'father' of RAF Photographic Reconnaissance, Sidney Cotton, got 30 knots more out of his Spitfires just by polishing them. I sense that 'less drag' is an area where all-composite construction will score heavily.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2007-06-26 15:36:05 and read 283368 times.

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 7):
the designers have done a good job in creating a distinctive look to the aircraft

Distinctive look? Maybe for the aviation geeks, but the regular public will hardly be able to tell any difference between 767, 777 or 787.
Nice pictures though.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jush
Posted 2007-06-26 15:37:14 and read 283365 times.

One gotta love the nose... the noseeeeeee

just marvellous

regds
jush

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Patches
Posted 2007-06-26 15:39:19 and read 283213 times.

It sure looks short, like a 767-200. What model of the 787 is this again? Its a cool looking aircraft but short as heck!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2007-06-26 15:42:26 and read 282916 times.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 76):
Thats one short and stubby plane though isnt it?



Quoting 22right (Reply 79):
Yahoo.... another aircraft that looks like a 767. Woohoo!!! ... I think the days of beautiful new aircraft are over. We are in for generic twins for the next 100 years or so.

That's the exact thought that struck my mind when I first saw it. Looks like an inflated 767, not exactly what I would call spectacular  Sad

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Patches
Posted 2007-06-26 15:43:23 and read 282916 times.

How the hell did we get the pics? Is Boeing pissed that some employee let these out?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: JayinKitsap
Posted 2007-06-26 15:46:44 and read 282635 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 81):
Way back in WW2 the 'father' of RAF Photographic Reconnaissance, Sidney Cotton, got 30 knots more out of his Spitfires just by polishing them. I sense that 'less drag' is an area where all-composite construction will score heavily.

Remember Boeing's remarks last year that the Nacelles (sp?) were to be a single color as the 2nd paint layer and the edges of it causes significant drag. From that it can be inferred that the smoother hull has made a big difference in the "less drag" department.

Anyway, she is already beautiful before she gets on her "outfit".

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: JeffB
Posted 2007-06-26 15:48:39 and read 282510 times.

Quoting Patches (Reply 84):
t sure looks short, like a 767-200. What model of the 787 is this again? Its a cool looking aircraft but short as heck!

I thought ANA was getting 50x 787-3's first! is this a 3 series or an 8? By the dimensions, that is what I'd expect a 787-3 to look like!

Can someone confirm... 787-3 or 787-8? IAD787?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2007-06-26 15:49:49 and read 282508 times.

Beautiful...and the tail is definitely what we've seen in the renderings, NOT ANA like some have said...

Can't wait for her to get some paint!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Legoguy
Posted 2007-06-26 15:50:07 and read 282382 times.

It looks great! But it looks more like a narrow body than a wide body aircraft!

Fantastic photos and thanks for sharing.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Art
Posted 2007-06-26 15:53:52 and read 282246 times.

Glad to see they managed to complete the jigsaw so quickly! Congratulations to all who made the pieces.

All unpainted and naked as she is, she certainly looks prettier than a similarly unclothed A380.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2007-06-26 15:58:04 and read 281965 times.

Very nice pictures.  bigthumbsup 

I can't wait for the final painted version when Boeing unveils the plane officially next month.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RJ_Delta
Posted 2007-06-26 16:01:40 and read 281682 times.

Excellent shots! Finally we can see the 787 materialized. At the first time the Boeing 787 looks shorter, a mix of a Boeing 762 with the fuselage of the B777.

Anyway the Dreamliner looks beautiful!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MMEPHX
Posted 2007-06-26 16:01:45 and read 281681 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 78):
Looks like a 767-200 with a Caravelle nose for me. Nice aircraft but definitely nothing spectacular if you don't know about the new technologies installed. Just from its looks will not stick out of todays airports with all 757s, 767s, A330s.
Nevertheless this aircraft will make flying more economical, it is more environmental friendly and its cabin will offer great comfort so I am looking forward flying on one of those.

Exactly. The technology advances in the 787 program are impressive. From a design standpoint it looks like a 767 with raked wingtips, a Caravelle/E-Jet nose and honking big engines!

To an airline the only things that matter are cost and performance.

I'll hold judgement on the interior until I've flown one. I have a feeling that for the masses it will be little different to anything else in the sky i.e a 17.5" wide seat with 31-32" of legroom with an AVOD box in the way under the seat in front.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2007-06-26 16:01:47 and read 281682 times.

Quoting JeffB (Reply 88):
I thought ANA was getting 50x 787-3's first! is this a 3 series or an 8? By the dimensions, that is what I'd expect a 787-3 to look like!

Can someone confirm... 787-3 or 787-8? IAD787?

Its an 8. The fuselage will be the same length on both anyway so it will not look externally different save the wings.

The short nature of the fuselage for the width is why the plane is suited for at streches to equal the A350.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2007-06-26 16:05:07 and read 281389 times.

Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 53):
Looks to me like a 767 with bigger engines.



Quoting Columba (Reply 78):
Looks like a 767-200 with a Caravelle nose for me.



Quoting 22right (Reply 79):
Yahoo.... another aircraft that looks like a 767.



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 82):
the regular public will hardly be able to tell any difference between 767, 777 or 787.



Quoting Patches (Reply 84):
It sure looks short, like a 767-200.

My thoughts exactly. While congratulations are due to Boeing, and it's a great achievement for them to get this innovative aircraft together so soon, I keep rubbing my eyes to see if I'm not looking at a 767.

If the 787 and A350 designs are the future for aviation, we're in for a very dull time ahead.  banghead 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 16:05:46 and read 281387 times.

I just cant get over the engines and the wings, very impressive looking.

Talk about getting the scoop!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-06-26 16:07:20 and read 281248 times.

Quoting Patches (Reply 84):
It sure looks short, like a 767-200. What model of the 787 is this again? Its a cool looking aircraft but short as heck!

This is a 787-8. At 186 feet long, it's actually 6 feet longer than a 767-300. The wider body and bigger engines are just making it look short.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DL777Dude
Posted 2007-06-26 16:07:31 and read 281250 times.

WOW,

It is Christmas in June!

Thanks for the pictures, what a beautiful ghost  ghost  plane  Wink

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2007-06-26 16:08:42 and read 281098 times.

Amazing plane.
I remember yelling out from joy when Boeing dumped the "flying fish" looks.
This time, I yelled again from happiness to see such beauty being finally assembled in one piece, creating a massive eye-candy for any true aviation enthusiast.
Kudos to the thread-starter. I wish I was there myself.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 64):
One observation is it seems to have a bit more 'forehead' than older designs, not as bad as A380, but it seems to be a trend.

It's called "aerodynamics".

Quoting JeffB (Reply 88):

Can someone confirm... 787-3 or 787-8?

ANA is getting -8 first. -3 doesn't come out until 2010 or so.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Riyadhnurse
Posted 2007-06-26 16:13:56 and read 280823 times.

Thank you,SEAchaz, for sharing these great pics. She's a beauty,without a doubt ! Congrats to everyone at Boeing,you have created something very special.  praise   cloudnine 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-26 16:14:53 and read 280705 times.

G-G-G-G-G-HHHHOOOOSSSSSTTTT! Oh wait, it's the 787!

(And for those who are confused, there was a thread a little while back which stated the 787 is a Ghost plane and does not actually exist)

Wow! This aircraft looks amazing! Nice shots and thanks!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747-600
Posted 2007-06-26 16:18:04 and read 280546 times.

FYI

The 787-8 is 27 and 6 feet longer than the 200ER and 300ER repectively (186 ft vs 159 ft, 180 ft). 787 is also 40inch wider on the inside than 767 family. I think the large engine diameters account for the optical illusion that the plane is short and stubby like the A380. After seeing the A380 up close last weekend, I was amazed by how big the wing is. If there was ever a plane in need of a stretch but thats another topic.......

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 16:20:08 and read 280281 times.

Quoting Enginebird (Reply 85):
not exactly what I would call spectacular

Replies like this make me wonder why so many A.Net memebers are even here.

The 787 is a major milestone in aviation, and if you cant get excited about that, what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about? The risk Boeing is exposed to is massive, and so are the rewards, I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.

These milestones are getting further and further apart due to all the advances already out there. This is not about A vs B, this is about witnessing a major shift in technology that we rarely get to see.

Thanks again to the thread starter for some fantastic shots, well done!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-06-26 16:22:18 and read 280139 times.

She's safely ensconced behind closed doors in the 777 (now 777/787) paint shop as of this morning, guarded by a new JL 767 and a 744F.  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2007-06-26 16:25:03 and read 279976 times.

The 787 is looking amazing!!! Can't wait to see it painted and flying.  praise  Good job Boeing.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2007-06-26 16:26:47 and read 279791 times.

These are the kind of posts that bring out the kid in all of us airliner enthusiasts. It's always thrilling to see the completed machine for the first time!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Mighluss
Posted 2007-06-26 16:27:13 and read 279791 times.

WOOOW!

Great to finally see it complete... now just can't wait for the first flight!!!

It's going to be another great event for aviation.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EBJ1248650
Posted 2007-06-26 16:27:17 and read 279790 times.

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 7):
Great pictures. Congrats on the scoop!


It's nice to finally see the complete aircraft. It does not have the triangular windows or the "shark fin" tail like the early renderings but the designers have done a good job in creating a distinctive look to the aircraft. The nose section in particular looks very cool. I would like to eventually see some pictures of the 787 parked next to a 767 or 777 so that I can get a better idea of it's proportions.

I too would like to see how the 787 compares in size to the 767 and 777.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flyorski
Posted 2007-06-26 16:27:28 and read 279792 times.

Great shots!!!! Good Job Boeing! I can not wait to see this amazing aircraft flying! GO 787!  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-06-26 16:31:14 and read 279472 times.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
Is it just me or does the 787-8 look kind of stubby? I would imagine that the 787-9 and possibly the 787-10 will look even better.

I think a 787-11 with 118" fans would have great proportions.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-06-26 16:32:23 and read 279296 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 111):
I think a 787-11 with 118" fans would have great proportions.

She'll certainly need jacked undercarriage though if the clearance with the 111" fans is as minimal as it looks.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Keesje
Posted 2007-06-26 16:34:47 and read 279195 times.

Great to see the real stuff finally!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-26 16:35:34 and read 279161 times.

Quoting Riyadhnurse (Reply 101):
Thank you,SEAchaz, for sharing these great pics. She's a beauty,without a doubt ! Congrats to everyone at Boeing,you have created something very special.


Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
The 787 is a major milestone in aviation, and if you cant get excited about that, what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about? The risk Boeing is exposed to is massive, and so are the rewards, I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.
As I said from a technology standpoint amazing aircraft from its looks nothing spectacular. Most of us aviation enthusiasts (at least I did) became interested in civil aviation by the looks of all the different airliners. I remember as a kid seeing 727s, Dc9s, Bac1-11s, 737-200s, Dc10s, L1011s, A300/A310s, 757/767s, 747s etc....all different looking aircraft, twins, tri-jets, quads, t-tails, wing mounted engines, rear mounted engines a great variety of different looking aircraft. Now jets in the 737, A320 and the 787/A350 category will look absolutely alike which makes it less existing.
I give my cudos for Boeing for building the first composite airliner but from it looks it is not as stunning as the A380.

[Edited 2007-06-26 16:40:43]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FoxXray
Posted 2007-06-26 16:37:18 and read 278991 times.

great ! i can't wait to see it taking off...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 757Driver
Posted 2007-06-26 16:41:52 and read 278701 times.

Absolutely amazing pictures!!! Like everyone else, I have been sitting by the computer in eager anticipation of seeing these pictures for the first time. I was also interested by your comment about a run-in with the police. I'd be interested to hear how that went. These days, authorities think that a person near an airplane with a camera is probing.

I too agree that it looks a little stubby. Then again, I think the same about the 767-200. The fuselage and the body proportion didn't seem to fit until the 767-300 or -400 came along. (Wide body/Short fuselage). I think the -800 and-900 will be great looking. I will also hold out until I see the painted version. It's too bad the "sharks-fin" tail couldn't be incorporated in the end design. That would have looked amazing!

Thanks so much for taking the time to get these pictures and for sharing them with us. I am very grateful!

Fly Safe!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BWIA 772
Posted 2007-06-26 16:48:35 and read 278034 times.

Wonderful pics!!!!m The 787 is one sexy looking plane Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2007-06-26 16:59:27 and read 277184 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
The 787 is a major milestone in aviation

Is it??? Major milestone with capital "M" was Concorde or 747. For me this is just another run-of-the-mill widebody. Of course with more composites than the ones in currently in mass production.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about?

That's a very good question. Not a lot if anything imho. The glamour and everything else what made traveling by plane so special in "good ol' days" is gone for good, just as any creative ability of aircraft designers, the whole variety of aircraft manufacturers reduced to duopoly of Boeing and Airbus and few other small players like Embraer or Bombardier.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.

New aircraft! Wow! Good job Boeing!
Happy now?
So far the 110+ plus posts contained only positive or neutral comments. Nowhere near the amount of crap "oh, it won't fly anyway) the A380 got from Boeing cheerleaders when the first pictures were published

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EA772LR
Posted 2007-06-26 17:00:17 and read 276999 times.

Amazing! What a beautiful aircraft. We've been waiting a long time for this thread. I can't believe she's actually here! And for the people who say it looks like a 767......WHAT!!?? are you kidding me!?? It looks nothing like a 767. It's a far btter looking aircraft. and just imagine those wings in flight. Now, the next wait....the 350XWB and that will be an exciting day too for us all. Thanks SEAchaz for the pics!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bkircher
Posted 2007-06-26 17:01:58 and read 277000 times.

Wow that looks great!!!! Major props to Boeing!! Those engines are huge!!! They look to big for the plane, but it looks quite cool on the plane!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HighFlyer9790
Posted 2007-06-26 17:08:30 and read 276195 times.

Those are great!! i cant wait to see her take to the skies!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Lamyl_HHLCO
Posted 2007-06-26 17:10:29 and read 275994 times.

Can't wait to see her all painted,she'll look amazing ...and why do i say she?? Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Zoom530
Posted 2007-06-26 17:11:12 and read 275992 times.

Absolutely beautiful!!!!

Take a careful look at two very interesting things IMHO:

The shape of the fairing between the wings and the fuselage...notice how the shape of the root connection is not strictly a laminar shape but it sort of undulates, giving it more of an impression of a 'wave' shape. I assume there is some sort of aerodynamic message here.

Also, look how tight the engine pylons are faired to the leading edge of the wings. Don't flame me here, but its almost as tight a fit as the old JT8's were faired as integrated structures into the old world 737's.

OK you engineeers out there...any comments, clarifications, thoughts?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 17:11:19 and read 275995 times.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 118):
Is it??? Major milestone with capital "M" was Concorde or 747.

Yes it is. Just like going from cloth the aluminum, going from aluminum to cfrp as the primary structure is as major as major gets. Add other changes like bleedles engines, all electric everything, and the distributes work share and you really cant get much more major than that except for a sonic cruiser, a practical supersonic airliner, or a BWB.

As for the percentage of composites, please just give up on that straw man, its not about the percentage, its how cfrp is used as the primary load bearing structure in a large airliner. A first in civil aviation.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-26 17:18:57 and read 275226 times.

Great stuff! Thanks for staying up late to take and post the photos. Definitely a looker this bird is, and there are several new design features that I like.

-Big ass engines relative to the fuse
-Chevrons
-Engines located in close proximity to the wings
-Good looking nose
-Tail is slightly curved (although not what it was earlier)
-The wings seem to located higher up in the fuse than with other planes, so the wing/body fairing appears to add only minimal surface area

iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FlyBoy84
Posted 2007-06-26 17:23:19 and read 274817 times.

Indeed it is a BEAUTIFUL plane! What is the thrust rating supposed to be on those HUGE ENGINES confused 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 17:24:27 and read 274612 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 125):
-The wings seem to located higher up in the fuse than with other planes, so the wing/body fairing appears to add only minimal surface area

Now that you mention it, it is way up there isnt it? Almost reminds me of this...

Big version: Width: 916 Height: 449 File size: 182kb

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DM
Posted 2007-06-26 17:26:16 and read 274345 times.

Awesome SEAchaz! Really great pics of the 787. Cant wait till the actuall roll out date!

DM

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: VivaGunners
Posted 2007-06-26 17:26:39 and read 274344 times.

Looking awesome, to say the least...
Well done B !!  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MIAMIx707
Posted 2007-06-26 17:30:01 and read 273868 times.

The nose is oldschool I like it. But no curved wings.....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SpeckSpot
Posted 2007-06-26 17:34:41 and read 273273 times.

Very nice aircraft indeed!!! It really is beautiful. And while I do lament the decrease in variety of aerodynamic forms, it does make spotting a more subtle art  Smile. So what are the distinctives of the 787? As I see it, the downward slope on the top edge of the vertical stab seems unique, and the nose does not have the traditional two-curve design meant to allow for the cockpit windows. It is just one smooth curve. The wing fairing seems concave at the top, which looks unusual -- haven't seen it on any other aircraft. And of course the chevrons. Truly distinctive. It will be very easy to spot, though the large scale features are the same as the other twins. Very nice!!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FlyTUITravel
Posted 2007-06-26 17:47:06 and read 271605 times.

I can't believe it is actually like... built! It doesn't seem long since it was launched!

Seriously though it looks GREAT!

FLYTUITRAVEL.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: S.p.a.s.
Posted 2007-06-26 17:51:22 and read 270964 times.

Impressive plane and a big achievement for the hole aviation industry. Now lets take her to the skies

Cheers

Salz

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 777DAD
Posted 2007-06-26 17:51:43 and read 270965 times.

She's Beautiful.
Even without Makeup!  angel 


Jeff

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirplaneFan
Posted 2007-06-26 17:57:42 and read 269907 times.

Great airplane for the future. Thanks for the pictures.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Revelation
Posted 2007-06-26 17:58:42 and read 269555 times.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 73):
Great photos. Like some folks have observed, those are some huge fans, not a lot of ground clearance either.

It's the real deal, folks. It came from all over but it was born in the USA. This IS the largest civilian CFRP aircraft ever made. Talk about betting the farm.

When I worked for Douglas I'd preflight the no. 2 engine on the MD11 because nobody else liked going up in the cherry pickers. I'd walk down that tunnel to the fan, sometimes I'd just sit with my feet dangling out and have a look around at the world, look for loose fasteners and the like, but those engines weren't nearly as large in diameter.

No doubt. I'm headed for Renton for the first flight.

Thanks for your comments, Dougloid. It does put this all in to prespective.

BTW I think you meant to say you will be in Everett for the first flight...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RootsAir
Posted 2007-06-26 18:01:52 and read 269181 times.

wow that aircraft looks awesome. I wouldn't have imagines that the winds were actually that bent... its good! makes it look a bit different to the 767 !
 airplane  wave 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-26 18:02:53 and read 268834 times.

SEAchaz, thank you for making this morning so sweet! I have the desk model in my office, a couple 787 pics on the wall, and now these great shots to drool over.

She just plain looks elegant, yet powerful at the same time. Obviously I would have loved to see the shark tail make it to the final design, but the tail still has an unmistakeable shape.

The nose is "short, but to the point." And the engines look just plain monsterous!

I think I'm in love, I can't wait to see her dressed to impress with the livery!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AutoThrust
Posted 2007-06-26 18:05:40 and read 268502 times.

Quoting 777DAD (Reply 134):
She's Beautiful.
Even without Makeup!

Indeed, thoug i would like to see it with a livery like SQ or Qantas as soon as possible.  camera 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Caribb
Posted 2007-06-26 18:07:34 and read 268173 times.

Wow.. looks great! Thanks for the photos, I'm like everyone else and was anxiously awaiting them  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2007-06-26 18:10:39 and read 267475 times.

Wow!  Smile I was wondering when we would see the first 787 ever hehe. It looks really great and it makes me glad that those will be everywhere in a couple of years.

//Alex

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NWA742
Posted 2007-06-26 18:11:31 and read 267472 times.

She is beautiful! Excellent pics - thank you for sharing!




-NWA742

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Tavong
Posted 2007-06-26 18:12:41 and read 267139 times.

WOW, thanks forthe pictures!!!

Lovely....just lovely

Gus
SKBO

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AA777
Posted 2007-06-26 18:13:03 and read 267139 times.

Wow, that looks real nice!! The engines are perfect! Sooo big. And I love the way the wings flex upward oh-so-delicately from the rear view. Gorgeous.

-AA777

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirportGal
Posted 2007-06-26 18:15:23 and read 266784 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
Replies like this make me wonder why so many A.Net memebers are even here.

The 787 is a major milestone in aviation, and if you cant get excited about that, what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about? The risk Boeing is exposed to is massive, and so are the rewards, I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.

my sentiments exactly!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 136):
BTW I think you meant to say you will be in Everett for the first flight...

correct - assembly is in Everett, will fly from PAE

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Andhen
Posted 2007-06-26 18:17:23 and read 266420 times.

Hi fellow a'netters!!

Great photos! The plane looks great.

As some of you might remember, I am the guy that posted the "famous" ghostplane tread.. It might not come as a surprise to you, but I never thought I would see this.. The project has come a long way, I have eaten the sour grapes, I am eating sour grapes every day now as I see the project go along..

My theory doesn't seem to materialize, but, there is still a long way to go before the plane actually flies..

If this plane holds its promises it will be a success for Boeing. I like what I have seen so far, but it is still a long way to go.. Smile

Andhen

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: IAD787
Posted 2007-06-26 18:18:11 and read 266056 times.

Wanted to weigh in here amongst the wave of responses.

It's incredible to see this aircraft all put together. I've been following the program for years and the exact location and status of each and every part of it since April. It's an amazing feeling to see it all together in final form. Even though I'm on the other side of the country I do feel a small connection to this plane. I've lived and breathed it (as much as one can from covering it) several thousand miles away. I can only imagine the pride that those who actually built the 787 feel.

I've posted all the photos on my blog with permission from SEAchaz who said that without the tip from my blog, he never would've gone out there. I'm glad I was able to help make this moment possible in my own little way. The pictures now have a permanent home that you can link to and post elsewhere.

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/2007/06/under-cover-of-darkness.html

Next stop - 7/8/07

Onward,

IAD787

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Kaneporta1
Posted 2007-06-26 18:23:29 and read 265340 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 125):
-The wings seem to located higher up in the fuse than with other planes, so the wing/body fairing appears to add only minimal surface area

That was my first observation too, the wings are quite high up on the fuselage, and the belly fairing seems a lot bigger than previous airplanes.

My second observation is that there seem to be 6, instead of 4, inboard slat track slots. Any idea why?

Overall, it looks beautiful, but I would have liked it more if the top of the fin was parallel to the fuse, rather than the current angle.

Can't wait to see it fly.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 777MAX
Posted 2007-06-26 18:24:31 and read 264987 times.

Wow, those are amazing pictures!

What I find very interesting is the shape of the engine covers, they are like dented on the back.

Thanks for the pictures!

Keep them coming!

MAX

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PAHS200
Posted 2007-06-26 18:24:52 and read 264983 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Thread starter):

great work!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-26 18:25:39 and read 264991 times.

I think the 787 has the nicest nose since the Comet:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alex Christie



On the 787 the engines just look massive next to the fuselage and they are really cool looking. It does look a bit stubby, but I think the longer versions are going to look even better. (It looks nowhere near as stubby as the 737-100 and 737-200)
I'm looking forward to seeing the first -10 roll out, but first they have to officially launch it.
It really is amazing what this aircraft is doing. It is replacing nearly 3 families of aircraft (757-300, 767, and 777) and at the same time bringing in brand new technology and production methods.
Sure it isn't a Concord or even the Sonic Cruiser, but hasn't history shown that these were too ambitious of projects? The 787 adds new technology without getting too advanced. It uses small, break through improvements to add up to an overall more efficient aircraft.

[Edited 2007-06-26 18:27:40]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Lesismore
Posted 2007-06-26 18:31:42 and read 263897 times.

Thanks for the great pics! I'm surprised you were able to get so close. The 787 is much bigger than I thought it would be. Looks more like a mini-777 rather than a pumped up-767, except for the nose of course.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Rogerbcn
Posted 2007-06-26 18:34:47 and read 263124 times.

Hola!

She looks great!!!!!!!!

Who will be Boeing's 787 first customer and which routes will it operate?

Thanks for the pictures!  bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 

Salut!

Roger

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Pmurr
Posted 2007-06-26 18:35:05 and read 263124 times.

Wonderful photo's. Can't wait to see her in paint.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-26 18:35:42 and read 263123 times.

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 17):

I want to add something else.....why are the engine cowlings white? Weren't they saying a while back that they should make them all grey to make them more efficient? Did they abandon that idea?

I think they used gray as an example. The release said that the cowlings will be one solid color...so if your livery has two colors on the cowlings, for efficiency that should be changed (hence why I think Delta went to solid blue instead of the red, gray, and blue)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-26 18:35:53 and read 263149 times.

Quoting Zoom530 (Reply 123):
The shape of the fairing between the wings and the fuselage...notice how the shape of the root connection is not strictly a laminar shape but it sort of undulates, giving it more of an impression of a 'wave' shape. I assume there is some sort of aerodynamic message here.

Also, look how tight the engine pylons are faired to the leading edge of the wings. Don't flame me here, but its almost as tight a fit as the old JT8's were faired as integrated structures into the old world 737's.

I am far from being an engineer, but I do have an observation about the engine fairings. Boeing was holding a meeting at the Hotel I am a sales manager for, and the Boeing Store folks set up a small shop. I purchased the Boeing 787 desk model. After looking at the pictures in this thread I took another look at the fairings on the desk model. I realized that the fairings on the desk model hold the engine almost entirely in front of the leading edge of the wing! Looking from the top down you can plainly see that the nacelle chevrons pretty much begin at the leading edge. The fairing also pulls the engines up so that they do not hang under the wing, rather they sit in front of the wing. The top surface of the engine nacelles are actually parallel with the leading edge.

That being said, I know the desk model is a bit of a marketing ploy, as it has the upward sweep of the wings seen in all of the Boeing media 787 images. However, looking at the pictures, it looks like the model has the engines pretty spot on.

On a side note, the Boeing Store, special edition 787 model is the best looking $40.00 desk model I've ever come across. It is leagues better than the normal $20.00 snap-fit desk models. The fuselage is solid (resin I belive), the stand has a wood base and a metal pole rather than the white plastic base, it has very detailed decals which look painted and the engine's fan blades actually spin if you blow on them. If you want a nice desk model and you don't feel like spending $150.00 or more, it is a great buy.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ken777
Posted 2007-06-26 18:38:40 and read 262431 times.

Thank you very much for the pics, chaz. They are fantastic and I appreciate the efforts to take them - so much so that I've added you to my RR list.

As for looking like a 767 or any other twin WB, we're stuck with fact that the first job of the plane will be to carry pax - that means a tube with a wing on each side and an engine on each wing. Wind tunnel work will bring most departures from basic design (like the shark tail) back to traditional looks. Except for departures in design like the 747 or 380 the basic WB is going to look fairly basic to most people.

That notwithstanding, the 787 is a beautiful plane and I'm excited that Boeing has been able to bring the program to this point, with new technology, massively different supply channels, etc. It's an exciting time for me and I'm looking forward to the roll out.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Molykote
Posted 2007-06-26 18:39:11 and read 262432 times.

Quoting Atlantaflyboy (Reply 54):
For Some reason she visually reminds me of the 767-200 - short and stubby and in need of some slim-fast. I have a feeling the 787-9, and -10 (if it ever is launched) will look much more elegant in the same way the 767-300 and -400 do to me.

My thoughts exactly.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BoeingBus
Posted 2007-06-26 18:45:09 and read 261124 times.

My congratulations to all the engineers around the globe to make this all happen. This is truly a remarkable feat once only thought the fighter jets could accomplish with the all composite fuselage.

Boeing has delivered so much in such a short period, from creating the tool sets for the barrels, to creating the Dream lifter to assembly... amazing feats is such short order!

If this project is on time and EIS is maintained, that there will be no dispute that Boeing is the leader in the aviation market. No other company has had such a success in a new jet program from sales, engineering to manufacturing.

Cheers!


Ric

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NA
Posted 2007-06-26 18:52:41 and read 259509 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
Quoting Enginebird (Reply 85):not exactly what I would call spectacular
Replies like this make me wonder why so many A.Net memebers are even here. The 787 is a major milestone in aviation

Its a major milestone underneath, but from the outside it isn´t what I call spectacular. Doesn´t look better than a A340-300 in my eyes. Everyone her can have his own meaning. A mass of uncritical claqueurs is not what I want from a.net.
Congratulation to the engineers, but the exterior designers should have fought a bit harder for the original concept shape, within the physical laws of cause.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WibbleWobble
Posted 2007-06-26 18:56:31 and read 258790 times.

WOW!

When this baby takes to the air, I think my heart will skip a beat... or two.

Thanks for the photos.

Later days,
Phil

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747
Posted 2007-06-26 18:57:25 and read 258790 times.

I dunno, I have mixed feelings about it. It looks stubby, but I think the reason it does is because the windows are bigger, The doors are the two man side by side doors, and the engines are HUGE. I love the look of the wings and the engines. I can't wait to see those wings flex way high. It's gonna be great. I guess the only thing I think would make it look better is if it had the wedge style APU a la 777. I don't particularly like the 767 style APU it has.

BTW, it does sort of retain the "shark" fin at the back. Look at the top of the stablizer. It's rounded like the original design.

How does it compare in size with the A330? It looks to be a little shorter than the A332 from the perspective of those pictures.

UAL

[Edited 2007-06-26 19:01:38]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Mah584jr
Posted 2007-06-26 19:00:14 and read 257975 times.

Reminds me of the 767 with the nose of a 757. Definitely a Boeing product. Should be a great aircraft for many years.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Caetravlr
Posted 2007-06-26 19:01:31 and read 257975 times.

All I can say is WOW. Thanks to SEAChaz for risking arrest and staying up all night to get these pics. I am looking forward to seeing how all of the testing goes, and eventually what her performance numbers are. For right now though, she is yet another remarkable beauty of the sort that is the reason that I became enamored with aviation to begin with.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2007-06-26 19:04:28 and read 257158 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 160):
Its a major milestone underneath, but from the outside it isn´t what I call spectacular.

You don't have to like it at all, free will and choice and all that. You're welcome to it. Some of us have seen likable, even surprising, features of the first completed model which weren't apparent in the artist's renderings.

Quoting NA (Reply 160):
A mass of uncritical claqueurs is not what I want from a.net.

In a thread memorializing a crucial step of a milestone product is not the place to debate the pros and cons of the project, or be critical of those who want to pass their congratulations on to those who made it happen.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747
Posted 2007-06-26 19:04:37 and read 257156 times.

It looks like there is less than 6' of ground clearance for those engines. Shouldn't worry though, the landing gear are placed wide enough to keep them from scraping the ground even on the most asymmetrical landing.

UAL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DavidkunzVIE
Posted 2007-06-26 19:06:28 and read 256762 times.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I already love this bird (since I got myself a 1:200 model in CO's livery) and I'll be soooo happy when it's in the air.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-26 19:09:40 and read 256402 times.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 14):
and those motors are huge....

There's someone clearly not attuned to the airline jargon... they are never referred to as motors, according to our initial training class... they are engines. LOL We were almost scared into never calling them engines. LOL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Congaboy
Posted 2007-06-26 19:22:08 and read 253905 times.

Well done, Chaz, only someone very passionate about aviation does what you have done. And so many of us can relate and appreciate that on this forum.

She has shades of Boeing past (757 / 767), but is it me, or does she have a really distinct look from the rear (Chaz's second shot above)? For me, that is my favorite (sorry British mates, favourite) angle so far.

MS

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Dz09
Posted 2007-06-26 19:29:07 and read 252884 times.

Although I am sure this is a very advanced plane in terms of performance, reliability, fuel efficiency, I can't help but be a little bit disappointed. I am not sure I see the difference between this plane and a 767. I am not impressed at all. The paper model looked much better. I hope a fully painted 787 would look better.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2007-06-26 19:36:02 and read 251683 times.

Oops! Isn't this a 767? They seem to love those plunging tails at Boeing...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Aeropiggot
Posted 2007-06-26 19:36:58 and read 251683 times.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 162):



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 162):
I guess the only thing I think would make it look better is if it had the wedge style APU a la 777. I don't particularly like the 767 style APU it has.

The blade type APU, has some problems with exhaust impingment on the surface, also I beleive aerodynamically the blade does not improve performance , due to the thick boundary layer around the aft end of the fuselage

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2007-06-26 19:40:14 and read 251034 times.

Superb pictures - thanks a million for sending those through so quickly!

Loving the look of the aircraft - in that first picture, it looks like it's shy - low to the ground, meek and embarrassed at being seen  Smile

Looking forward to seeing the painted version! And NAV20 - spot on with the Geoffrey deHavilland quote and the Spitfire story - nice one!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LY777
Posted 2007-06-26 19:40:18 and read 251034 times.

wow!! Looks so great!!! The tail also reminds me of the 767(but only the tail); otherwise, I love the engines(size, look...)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Felipemia89
Posted 2007-06-26 19:41:32 and read 251034 times.

WOW!!!! Its a sexy plane.. I've noticed the engines are HUGGEE!! I can't wait to see it fully painted! Great job Boeing!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 777DAD
Posted 2007-06-26 19:51:20 and read 249461 times.

Quoting Caribb (Reply 140):
Indeed, thoug i would like to see it with a livery like SQ or Qantas as soon as possible. camera

Aye,
For that we'll have to wait a little. ( I can't)
However patience is a virtue!  cheeky 

Jeff

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Buzz100ca
Posted 2007-06-26 19:52:50 and read 249116 times.

Thanks for the great pics! Can't wait to see her airborne!

- Chris

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: United787
Posted 2007-06-26 19:53:45 and read 249117 times.

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 156):
On a side note, the Boeing Store, special edition 787 model is the best looking $40.00 desk model I've ever come across. It is leagues better than the normal $20.00 snap-fit desk models. The fuselage is solid (resin I belive), the stand has a wood base and a metal pole rather than the white plastic base, it has very detailed decals which look painted and the engine's fan blades actually spin if you blow on them. If you want a nice desk model and you don't feel like spending $150.00 or more, it is a great buy.

I agree, I have one. I blow into the engines all the time and then I run around my office with the plane like it is really flying!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: YWGfarmer
Posted 2007-06-26 19:55:27 and read 248785 times.

The jagged edge on the back of the engine cowl looks really cool.

Will the GEnx engines have that as well?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Piaflyer
Posted 2007-06-26 19:55:34 and read 248785 times.

awesome, such a beautiful and ellegant aircraft

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WINGS
Posted 2007-06-26 19:55:47 and read 248802 times.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 162):
How does it compare in size with the A330? It looks to be a little shorter than the A332 from the perspective of those pictures.



http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...0a340/a330-200/specifications.html

787-8

*Airbus A330-200

Cross Section:
226 inches (574 centimeters) *(5.64m)

Wing Span:
197 feet (60 meters) *(60.3m)

Length:
186 feet (57 meters) *(58.8m)

Height:
56 feet (17 meters) *(17.40m)

Regards,
Wings

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MD-90
Posted 2007-06-26 19:58:19 and read 248059 times.

In the first picture, looking at the 787 head-on, anyone else notice how enormous the windscreen is? I wonder if Boeing will finally be able to replicate the enormous field of view available on the L-1011.

For those of you who are disappointed that the wings don't have as much dihedral as you thought they would, you have to remember the too much dihedral is detrimental to an aircraft's handling. I suspect you'll like it better when you see it flying.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2007-06-26 20:03:08 and read 247386 times.

Quoting YWGfarmer (Reply 179):

Will the GEnx engines have that as well?

Yes. It's called "scalloping"

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-06-26 20:13:16 and read 245831 times.

I'm speechless, history in the making.  bouncy 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2007-06-26 20:16:11 and read 245200 times.

I think the livery will be the biggest letdown--- Boeing introduced it two years ago on another model, and several derivatives have worn it since. It's passe', at this point.

They should've kept the 773ER livery, and introduced the Dreamliner livery on... well... the Dreamliner.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-06-26 20:19:14 and read 244902 times.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 162):
How does it compare in size with the A330? It looks to be a little shorter than the A332 from the perspective of those pictures.

This is one of the reasons it's more efficient. It uses it's proportions more efficiently than previous aircraft. It holds more pax and cargo than an A332 by being a little wider, a little taller, and by reworking the shape of the nose and tail to better accommodate pax and landing gear and LD3s.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-06-26 20:19:49 and read 244902 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 148):
My second observation is that there seem to be 6, instead of 4, inboard slat track slots. Any idea why?

Could you please point out in what picture you spotted that detail? If you're looking at the wing hanging from the crane at the back of building 40-36 (in the first picture,) that is a 777 wing  Smile

Great job capturing those shots SEAchaz!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-26 20:21:14 and read 244586 times.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 182):
In the first picture, looking at the 787 head-on, anyone else notice how enormous the windscreen is? I wonder if Boeing will finally be able to replicate the enormous field of view available on the L-1011.

Now as you mention it, maybe some former Douglas engineer was responsible for that, the Dc10/MD11 had similar large front windows.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2007-06-26 20:21:55 and read 244582 times.

Quoting Peterinlisbon (Reply 2):
Wow, what a beautiful aircraft!

- It's quite nice, even without paint, however it's a far cry from the 'original' Dreamliner drawings, now THAT would have been a real change!

At first glance it's like a 767 with 777 engines.

Don't get me wrong, nice and I look forward to my first flight on a 787, but it's not a visual mould breaker.

Rgds

Mark

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: GBan
Posted 2007-06-26 20:23:01 and read 244241 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 160):
Its a major milestone underneath, but from the outside it isn´t what I call spectacular. Doesn´t look better than a A340-300 in my eyes. Everyone her can have his own meaning.

NA, of course you are entitled to your own opinion. Your opinion is even shared by others, more or less:

Quoting Dz09 (Reply 170):
Although I am sure this is a very advanced plane in terms of performance, reliability, fuel efficiency, I can't help but be a little bit disappointed. I am not sure I see the difference between this plane and a 767. I am not impressed at all. The paper model looked much better. I hope a fully painted 787 would look better.



Quoting NA (Reply 160):
A mass of uncritical claqueurs is not what I want from a.net.

Having a different opinion does not necessarily mean that you have to call the majority "a mass of uncritical claqueurs". If there is too much positive emotion in this thread, maybe just skip it  Wink


I like that bird as it is and I am sure it will even look much better when painted!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2007-06-26 20:25:32 and read 243941 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):
Quoting Enginebird (Reply 85):not exactly what I would call spectacular Replies like this make me wonder why so many A.Net memebers are even here. The 787 is a major milestone in aviation, and if you cant get excited about that, what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about? The risk Boeing is exposed to is massive, and so are the rewards, I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.These milestones are getting further and further apart due to all the advances already out there. This is not about A vs B, this is about witnessing a major shift in technology that we rarely get to see.



Quoting Columba (Reply 114):
Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 104):The 787 is a major milestone in aviation, and if you cant get excited about that, what exactly in civil aviation can you get excited about? The risk Boeing is exposed to is massive, and so are the rewards, I fail to see how a fan of civil aviation could not be facinated.As I said from a technology standpoint amazing aircraft from its looks nothing spectacular. Most of us aviation enthusiasts (at least I did) became interested in civil aviation by the looks of all the different airliners. I remember as a kid seeing 727s, Dc9s, Bac1-11s, 737-200s, Dc10s, L1011s, A300/A310s, 757/767s, 747s etc....all different looking aircraft, twins, tri-jets, quads, t-tails, wing mounted engines, rear mounted engines a great variety of different looking aircraft. Now jets in the 737, A320 and the 787/A350 category will look absolutely alike which makes it less existing.I give my cudos for Boeing for building the first composite airliner but from it looks it is not as stunning as the A380.

I agree. The technical prowess of that plane is undeniable, the look of the plane is nice and somewhat distinctive, but it does not look that much different from a 767, not much more than, say, an L-1011 from a DC-10... The big windows and the nose are very interesting.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ER757
Posted 2007-06-26 20:31:55 and read 243056 times.

SEAchaz - let me join the growing list of those saying thanks for the GREAT shots!!!
Two things strike me as distinctive:
1. The wingtips...very graceful even at rest.
2. The scalloping on the engine housings. Will make this bird instantly recognizable.
Hats off to everyone at Boeing and all their partners on this program!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: TristarSteve
Posted 2007-06-26 20:34:03 and read 242391 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 57):
I've been wondering about that - only about six feet of clearance. Anyone know about modern undercarriages? My guess is that, with no power on yet, the hydraulics are not yet powered up and charged with fluid?

Looking at the first picture, the bottom of the engines is at about elbow height for the guy there. I make that about 4 feet, about the same as the Trent B777, and probably more than the GE90 B777-200.
The hydraulic fluid in the undercarriage is different from the fluid in the aircraft. The two are not connected in any way. The oleo struts would be fully charged for this rollout. Unless Boeing are playing tricks, then the clearance will go down a couple of inches when the interior is installed later.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LTU932
Posted 2007-06-26 20:35:59 and read 242393 times.

As great as the 787 is as an aircraft, I always thought if it as a hideous aircraft. But seeing these pictures has finally convinced me that the 787 is not just a great aircraft, but also a very beautiful one!

Well done, Boeing! Can't wait until 7/8/07!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 20:39:38 and read 241791 times.

One thing I cant find, the APU exaust, it has one, or then again, does it?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SANChaser
Posted 2007-06-26 20:40:28 and read 241494 times.

Kudos to Boeing and thanks SEAchaz for posting the pictures. Great Pictures.
I can't wait to see it fly... I think it will look really awesome head-on (the factory floor clutter does not do it justice, in the first picture).

As far as remarkable goes, some people seem to have forgotten the fact that this bird was put together in 3 months? (the first of its ilk).  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-06-26 20:43:45 and read 241180 times.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 193):
Looking at the first picture, the bottom of the engines is at about elbow height for the guy there. I make that about 4 feet,

Engine clearance to the ground should be 2ft 4 inch for a 788 with RR engines.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: GQfluffy
Posted 2007-06-26 20:44:02 and read 240843 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 195):
One thing I cant find, the APU exaust, it has one, or then again, does it?

Tip of the tail ala 767/757...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-06-26 20:45:10 and read 240849 times.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 195):
One thing I cant find, the APU exaust, it has one, or then again, does it?

At the end of the tail cone, it's designed in the same way as the 767 APU exhaust. Take a good look at the second picture, you can spot it there.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UA2162
Posted 2007-06-26 20:53:17 and read 239643 times.

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 156):
On a side note, the Boeing Store, special edition 787 model is the best looking $40.00 desk model I've ever come across.

Thanks! I just ordered myself one!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 20:53:35 and read 239647 times.

Quoting Brendows (Reply 199):
At the end of the tail cone

Thanks, man they made the whole plane so symmetrical and so smooth, it was hard to tell if it was a hole or the tip of the cone.

I was thinking what is most likely the APU access panel was to be replaced by the APU and exhaust coming out as usual in some asymmetrical exhaust pipe.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 474218
Posted 2007-06-26 21:00:35 and read 238511 times.

Great photos, SEAchaz!

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 37):
No overwing exits.



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 46):
I suspect there will be provision for emergency exits over the wing....

Why would you want overwing exits when the aircraft already has eight (8) full size doors?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 57):
I've been wondering about that - only about six feet of clearance. Anyone know about modern undercarriages? My guess is that, with no power on yet, the hydraulics are not yet powered up and charged with fluid?

What would hydraulic power have to do with how close th engines are to the ground? The landing gear is only extended and retracted by the aircraft hydraulic system. The what controls the engine clearance is the amount of air charge in the landing gear strut. The landing gear is a big shock absorber which uses hydraulic fluid and air to control the piston damping and extension.

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 65):
I don't think they have moved the plane without hydraulic fluid? That would damage the undercarriage, wouldn't it? Or am I totally wrong here?

While towing the aircraft without hydraulic fluid is not recommended it can be done. Without hydraulic fluid you have no brakes and towing has to be done very carefully. If they did not have fluid in the landing gear cylinder the ride would be very rough (no shock absorbers) and there is the possibility of damaging the inside working parts.

Quoting Columba (Reply 188):
Now as you mention it, maybe some former Douglas engineer was responsible for that, the Dc10/MD11 had similar large front windows.

The DC-10/MD-11 used flat flight station windows while the 787 uses curved flight station windows like like the L-1011. Most pilots that have flow the L-1011 will tell you the flight station view in the L-1011 is unmatched.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ShannoninAMA
Posted 2007-06-26 21:01:21 and read 238512 times.

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 156):

No flaming please......this is just what i thought Big grin


Whenever i first saw that model photo...it looked like a stretched ERJ-170 with huge engines....but i know for a fact that im the only one that sees it like that Big grin




Anyway, congrats boeing! Cant wait for the longer versions to come out!


Shannon

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: A340313X
Posted 2007-06-26 21:05:25 and read 237876 times.

I wasn't expecting the 787 to look so normal! We'll see what she's like after paint...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 474218
Posted 2007-06-26 21:07:47 and read 237582 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 148):
My second observation is that there seem to be 6, instead of 4, inboard slat track slots. Any idea why?

There are only two inboard slats? Two tracks per slat equal four slots.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 21:15:06 and read 236365 times.

Quoting A340313X (Reply 204):
I wasn't expecting the 787 to look so normal! We'll see what she's like after paint...

Planes, just like cars, are designed by the wind. Thats why they all tend to look the same. Deveiate from that and it costs you.

Thats why fighter planes all pretty much look the same.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Glideslope
Posted 2007-06-26 21:15:15 and read 236363 times.

Very nice. Can't wait to see those wings flex!! They are sexy as hell. Thanks for the effort getting the shots. You hung out quite a while before being snagged.

 bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Grunf
Posted 2007-06-26 21:17:18 and read 236067 times.

I like Airbus but this is a great looking aircraft! Very stylish Caravell-ish nose.
Well done Boeing!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FFlyer
Posted 2007-06-26 21:18:02 and read 235776 times.

Quoting Brendows (Reply 197):
Engine clearance to the ground should be 2ft 4 inch for a 788 with RR engines

Are you sure....only 2 feet? What would happen in cross-wind landings, when the plane is leaning on either MLG?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-26 21:19:41 and read 235778 times.

It's like seeing a concept car vs. the production model. It slays me that so many people expected some kind of miracle jet with all this fancy stuff you see in the renderings... which are just that artist renderings... to show the 'what if' factor or future applications. The pictures sell the thing. Design practicality, ease of manufacture and cost always win against the concept. So what if it looks like a 767? I think the innovation and advanced technologies outshine it's looks.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Syncmaster
Posted 2007-06-26 21:20:51 and read 235485 times.

Amazing looking bird! At first glance on that second photo (from the original post) it looked like a 777, especially around the wing root and main gear.

The engine pylons look a lot like those found on the 777 as well...


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-Charlie

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SAS A340
Posted 2007-06-26 21:29:59 and read 234276 times.

Sorry,but for me she looks like 757 with big engines.......ok, a "big" 757. Still it,s a cool plane  cool 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 3MilesToWRO
Posted 2007-06-26 21:32:56 and read 233678 times.

It's so... trivial... Looks like any other.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: N710PS
Posted 2007-06-26 21:33:00 and read 233677 times.

What an amazing and breath taking airplane. I am beside myself with joy. I rember the commencement of the program and being soo anxious. It seems like it was yesterday that she was the drawing bard 7E7

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Glareskin
Posted 2007-06-26 21:35:18 and read 233403 times.

Congratulations Boeing! On schedule and a beauty. I like the nose a lot! But I am a little disappointed by the wings. In all the artist impressions and scale models the wings are more upward-curved in a way. The actual wings look more conventional, except for the beautiful tips!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-26 21:36:19 and read 233112 times.

Just another thought... they kept a lot of the initial design ideas... the composite fuselage, the larger windows on both the cabin and the flight deck, the upswept wingtips, etc etc... But why fix what isn't broke... they took bits and pieces from all of their best selling planes and put them all wrapped up together in this exquisite piece of equipment, with some new goodies. What did everyone expect? A Lamborghini with wings?

[Edited 2007-06-26 21:37:45]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Brendows
Posted 2007-06-26 21:36:23 and read 233117 times.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 209):
Are you sure....only 2 feet?

Take a look at page five in this document:
787sec2.pdf

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-06-26 21:40:43 and read 232525 times.

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 203):
it looked like a stretched ERJ-170 with huge engines....but i know for a fact that im the only one that sees it like that



Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 212):
Sorry,but for me she looks like 757 with big engines.......ok, a "big" 757. Still it,s a cool plane

It looks like a 757 and a 777 had a child, who's now grown into a young woman. Put some makeup on her, and the show will be a show stopper!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Aerobalance
Posted 2007-06-26 21:42:33 and read 232253 times.

Now that's a pretty birdie!!!  

edit: I just noticed the minimal size associated with the flap-track canoes on the wings, nice aero detail there!

[Edited 2007-06-26 21:50:11]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LTU932
Posted 2007-06-26 21:43:07 and read 232253 times.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 215):
In all the artist impressions and scale models the wings are more upward-curved in a way. The actual wings look more conventional, except for the beautiful tips!

The renders always showed the 787 in flight, and since this one is on the ground, the wingflex is minimal. I'm sure you'll see the 787's signature wingflex by the time of first flight.  Wink

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-26 21:46:11 and read 231663 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 216):
Just another thought... they kept a lot of the initial design ideas... the composite fuselage, the larger windows on both the cabin and the flight deck, the upswept wingtips, etc etc... But why fix what isn't broke... they took bits and pieces from all of their best selling planes and put them all wrapped up together in this exquisite piece of equipment, with some new godies. What did everyone expect? A Lamborghini with wings?

It is more a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry with wings so it is hard to understand why people got so excited about its looks since it not much different from its predecessor the 767.
A great technological achievement but the first pictures are not as amazing as the first pictures of the A380. I am really looking forward to see the first pictures of the 747-8I, it will not look much different than its predecessor as well but giving the size and length of that aircraft together with new engines and new wings will make this a very good looking aircraft.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Glareskin
Posted 2007-06-26 21:47:33 and read 231664 times.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 220):
The renders always showed the 787 in flight, and since this one is on the ground, the wingflex is minimal. I'm sure you'll see the 787's signature wingflex by the time of first flight.

Since the wings look almost the same as other aircraft I presume the wingflex is stronger than on other aircraft, correct?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: OGGFBORefueler
Posted 2007-06-26 21:47:39 and read 231663 times.

This is one beautiful boid!!!

Thanks for snapping these pics SEAchaz  cool 

Aloha!
Keone Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Tsaord
Posted 2007-06-26 21:50:48 and read 231061 times.

Finally!!!! So like are the engines missing fans or something???

I can't wait to see it after its painted!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2007-06-26 21:52:00 and read 231061 times.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 220):
The renders always showed the 787 in flight, and since this one is on the ground, the wingflex is minimal. I'm sure you'll see the 787's signature wingflex by the time of first flight.  



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 222):
Since the wings look almost the same as other aircraft I presume the wingflex is stronger than on other aircraft, correct?

The upward sweep of the wings on the ground is more than I expected. I suppose it will change when loaded with fuel.

Quoting Columba (Reply 221):
A great technological achievement but the first pictures are not as amazing as the first pictures of the A380.

Well I thought the A380 had Neanderthalish features.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-26 21:53:18 and read 230796 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 178):
I agree, I have one. I blow into the engines all the time and then I run around my office with the plane like it is really flying!

Unfortunately, I have a small office, so it's a "no-fly zone." However, I'd be lying if I said I don't from time to time blow on the nacelles to see the blades spin.

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 200):
Thanks! I just ordered myself one!

I am quite confident you will not be disappointed. I'm going to have to get the 74i Special edition model next.

Quoting Brendows (Reply 199):
Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 195):
One thing I cant find, the APU exhaust, it has one, or then again, does it?


At the end of the tail cone, it's designed in the same way as the 767 APU exhaust. Take a good look at the second picture, you can spot it there.

By the way, the APU exhaust port is painted on the model too, like I said, it's a great model for the $!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LTU932
Posted 2007-06-26 21:54:37 and read 230530 times.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 222):
Since the wings look almost the same as other aircraft I presume the wingflex is stronger than on other aircraft, correct?

I believe it's actually got something to do with the materials and the generated wingflex. As it looks, the 787's wings look in essence the same as any other swept wing of supercritical design. However, since the wings are also made of composites, this means that once the wing is generating lift, it will flex more due to the elasticity of the materials. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-26 21:55:23 and read 230527 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 221):
It is more a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry with wings so it is hard to understand why people got so excited about its looks since it not much different from its predecessor the 767.
A great technological achievement but the first pictures are not as amazing as the first pictures of the A380. I am really looking forward to see the first pictures of the 747-8I, it will not look much different than its predecessor as well but giving the size and length of that aircraft together with new engines and new wings will make this a very good looking aircraft.

Agreed. I don't understand the affliction and obssession with its looks. Form always follows function. Its looks have nothing to do with it's innovation or functionality. It doesn't have to look like a trillion bucks to do its job and earn that much for its company. The 380? A beached monstrosity of a whale... But again, it was designed to do a specific job and it will do it well.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Dambuster
Posted 2007-06-26 21:59:39 and read 229907 times.

Agreed. It still looks good IMO even without the paint job.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Glareskin
Posted 2007-06-26 22:00:58 and read 229614 times.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 225):
The upward sweep of the wings on the ground is more than I expected. I suppose it will change when loaded with fuel.

I didn't mean the angle but the curving.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-26 22:08:14 and read 228416 times.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 225):
Well I thought the A380 had Neanderthalish features



Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 228):
The 380? A beached monstrosity of a whale... But again, it was designed to do a specific job and it will do it well.

I never said that the A380 is a beautiful plane -although I have to admit it grows on me - I said it was exciting to see the first pictures because there has been no airplane like that before and it was interesting to see its size and how good or bad it actually looks.
What I am looking forward to regarding the 787 are videos of the first flight. I am very interested in the sound of the engines and to hear how quiet the new engines are in comparison with current aircraft.
I

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: F14D4ever
Posted 2007-06-26 22:08:49 and read 228415 times.

Quoting YWGfarmer (Reply 179):
The jagged edge on the back of the engine cowl looks really cool.

Will the GEnx engines have that as well?



Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 183):
Yes. It's called "scalloping"

At GE, at least within performance engineering, they're called chevrons.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: S.p.a.s.
Posted 2007-06-26 22:11:00 and read 228117 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 228):
But again, it was designed to do a specific job and it will do it well.

Will it?  pessimist 

Salz

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 3MilesToWRO
Posted 2007-06-26 22:12:24 and read 227807 times.

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 203):
Whenever i first saw that model photo...it looked like a stretched ERJ-170 with huge engines....but i know for a fact that im the only one that sees it like that

Well, no, you're not  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: STT757
Posted 2007-06-26 22:22:34 and read 226445 times.

Thanks for getting the photos, I can't wait to see her at EWR.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Vegas005
Posted 2007-06-26 22:27:35 and read 225895 times.

Like I said 3 months ago, best looking 767 I have seen.  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jaalbert
Posted 2007-06-26 22:53:31 and read 222654 times.

The front doors appear larger than the other doors. Is this true or just an optical illusion? Also, interesting why Boeing elected to add a third door behind the wings, rather than two over the wing emergency exits. I can't imagine the third door will be used much absent an emergency. Is the third door and its size due to the number of passengers the plane carries?

Love the nose, love the sweep of the wings and those big engines and the tail even has a bit of an upswing to it. It does look a bit short, but I guess the other models will appear more in proportion.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WingedMigrator
Posted 2007-06-26 22:55:06 and read 222408 times.

Beautiful bird! It's not every day that the first of a new aircraft type rolls out.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 220):
I'm sure you'll see the 787's signature wingflex by the time of first flight.

I suspect the 'signature' wing flex is a feature of computer renderings. While the renderings may be accurate, I am willing to bet that none of us have ever experienced the bird's eye view of an oncoming 787 cruising at 37000 feet. To people standing on the ground, there may be some spectacular wing flex when taking off at MTOW, but I doubt it will be any more spectacular than a 777. The first flight won't be anywhere close to MTOW, so there won't be nearly as much wing flex then.

Enough about wing flex, I have to enjoy those great photos!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DeltaDC9
Posted 2007-06-26 23:12:43 and read 220308 times.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 222):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 220):
The renders always showed the 787 in flight, and since this one is on the ground, the wingflex is minimal. I'm sure you'll see the 787's signature wingflex by the time of first flight.

Since the wings look almost the same as other aircraft I presume the wingflex is stronger than on other aircraft, correct?



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 238):
Enough about wing flex, I have to enjoy those great photos!

Almost enough...

What other plane has its wingtips as high as the top of the cabin sitting still?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-06-26 23:13:29 and read 220307 times.

Great photos, Thanks. Can't wait to see her on roll-out and maiden flight!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-06-26 23:15:35 and read 220078 times.

Very beautiful aircraft. When is her 1st test flight?

Hunter

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2007-06-26 23:15:49 and read 220079 times.

Wow hot! Looks like an A350 LOL.  stirthepot  But seriously, awesome.

Regards
MH

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2007-06-26 23:19:56 and read 219563 times.

I've had some time to look at the pics again and absorb the look. You know what it is? It's unmistakably the 767's younger, but prettier sister.  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL747
Posted 2007-06-26 23:23:22 and read 219099 times.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 238):
I suspect the 'signature' wing flex is a feature of computer renderings. While the renderings may be accurate, I am willing to bet that none of us have ever experienced the bird's eye view of an oncoming 787 cruising at 37000 feet. To people standing on the ground, there may be some spectacular wing flex when taking off at MTOW, but I doubt it will be any more spectacular than a 777. The first flight won't be anywhere close to MTOW, so there won't be nearly as much wing flex then.

No, I have a feeling that the wings will flex upward quite a bit, due to the fact that they are particularly long and thin. Though, I have to admit, I thought the A380's wings would flex a ton, but they don't.

But, I hope I'm right. I love me some wing flex, kinda like how I love a guy to flex for me. HA.  Wink

UAL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flysherwood
Posted 2007-06-26 23:25:06 and read 218862 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 221):
A great technological achievement but the first pictures are not as amazing as the first pictures of the A380.

I guess it is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Because for the life of me, I cannot understand why people think the A380 is a thing of beauty. I personally do not like the looks of the A380. I marvel at her size and how many people she will be able to carry. But beauty? I do not think so!!!  no 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-26 23:26:31 and read 218629 times.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 243):
I've had some time to look at the pics again and absorb the look. You know what it is? It's unmistakably the 767's younger, but prettier sister.

Well played sir, well played!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LY777
Posted 2007-06-26 23:26:34 and read 218626 times.

Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 236):
Like I said 3 months ago, best looking 767 I have seen.

it is fatter than the 767? looks more stubby

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DfwRevolution
Posted 2007-06-26 23:26:42 and read 218627 times.

And to think, by this time next year there will be OVER 50 built!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 787EWR
Posted 2007-06-26 23:27:36 and read 218626 times.

Excellent spywork mate.

Thanks for the effort and sharing the goods.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2007-06-26 23:34:44 and read 217746 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 242):
Wow hot! Looks like an A350 LOL. But seriously, awesome.

I thought that it looked more like a Chinese copy of the A330. Isn't that what Mr. Leahy said?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2007-06-26 23:35:36 and read 217744 times.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 238):

I suspect the 'signature' wing flex is a feature of computer renderings. While the renderings may be accurate, I am willing to bet that none of us have ever experienced the bird's eye view of an oncoming 787 cruising at 37000 feet. To people standing on the ground, there may be some spectacular wing flex when taking off at MTOW, but I doubt it will be any more spectacular than a 777.

You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Go to any nearby airport where sailplanes are based. Watch them sit still on the ground, then taking off on tow behind the plane. Wood and metal ones will have hardly any wingflex. Then watch one of the high-performance composite ones take off and notice how significant the wingflex they have once airborne.

Now try to put that into perspective in regard to 777's metal wing vs. 787's composite one.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-26 23:40:30 and read 217116 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 251):
Wood and metal ones will have hardly any wingflex. Then watch one of the high-performance composite ones take off and notice how significant the wingflex they have once airborne.

Now try to put that into perspective in regard to 777's metal wing vs. 787's composite one.

I've got my fingers crossed, hoping that you are right and that the signature 787 wing flex is not just a marketing ploy to differentiate its product.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WingsLAX
Posted 2007-06-26 23:57:17 and read 215424 times.

Thanks SEAchazever so much for sharing these photos with the world. Simply a stunning aircraft!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 474218
Posted 2007-06-27 00:00:41 and read 214990 times.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 209):
Are you sure....only 2 feet? What would happen in cross-wind landings, when the plane is leaning on either MLG?

There is no way you could ever have a nacelle touch the runway as they are too close (span wise) to the main wheels.

Quoting Jaalbert (Reply 237):
The front doors appear larger than the other doors. Is this true or just an optical illusion? Also, interesting why Boeing elected to add a third door behind the wings, rather than two over the wing emergency exits. I can't imagine the third door will be used much absent an emergency. Is the third door and its size due to the number of passengers the plane carries?

The reason for the eight full size doors should be obvious. You can get a lot more people out of eight full sized doors in 90 seconds than you can six full size doors and two over wing exits.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HanginOut
Posted 2007-06-27 00:09:08 and read 214214 times.

What a beauty! I can't wait to see one in Air Canada's livery.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-06-27 00:09:50 and read 214212 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 160):
but from the outside it isn�t what I call spectacular



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 189):
however it's a far cry from the 'original' Dreamliner drawings, now THAT would have been a real change!

Yes when I saw these photos above I have to say I was a bit dissapointed. Its been hyped up to the extent that maybe my expectations were alot higher but then again with paint on and the final interiors it will probably look alot better.

Anyway cant wait to see it fly and good luck to the Boeing team for the first flight.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Amritpal
Posted 2007-06-27 00:11:38 and read 214015 times.

wow, look at the size of the engines

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-06-27 00:13:31 and read 213823 times.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 254):
The reason for the eight full size doors should be obvious. You can get a lot more people out of eight full sized doors in 90 seconds than you can six full size doors and two over wing exits.

I believe you also save weight on a less complicated slide and not having to reinforce the top of the wing to allow for multiple pax walking on it. Also, it would help with aerodynamics to not have the rough paint applied to the area of the wing where pax will walk during an evac.

If you look at the attention they paid to the paint on the engine in order to save fuel, I'm sure they've done the same on the wing and location of exits.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: BoeingForEver
Posted 2007-06-27 00:14:16 and read 213632 times.

u gotta love the american engineering..they are on target to the hour...all from plans set years ago..fantastic looking plane..the engines are sinply HUGE

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WILCO737
Posted 2007-06-27 00:20:42 and read 213050 times.

amazing! outstanding! Thanks for sharing those pictures! I am thrilled to see her finally out of the assembly line Big grin
Thank you very much man! I hope you keep us updated  Wink

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flyingjeep
Posted 2007-06-27 00:30:33 and read 212116 times.

awsome thanks for those awsome pics

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2007-06-27 00:36:38 and read 211589 times.

One question: seeing that Boeing is promoting the Dreamliner name so much, are they getting the flying public used to names rather than numerical designations for their aircraft? Will it become the 787/Dreamliner, then the Dreamliner/787, then just the Dreamliner, in the way Datsun changed their name to Nissan twenty years ago?

Remember, there is only one designation left for a Boeing airliner in the current series, and that's the 797. I've often thought about what they're going to do after that, and wondered if they'd go for a 7707 or a 7007 series, or maybe something else.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Stitch
Posted 2007-06-27 00:42:57 and read 211059 times.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 262):
One question: seeing that Boeing is promoting the Dreamliner name so much, are they getting the flying public used to names rather than numerical designations for their aircraft?

I think it's more like a marketing thing. Afterall, a 777-200ER and a "WorldLiner" (777-200LR) look identical to the average person. Same with a 747-400 and an "Intercontinental" (747-8I). I know Boeing in the past used to assign a "marketing name" to at least some of their planes. I think the 707-320B was the "Intercontinental". And airlines used to add such names to their product - the AA "LuxuryLiner" and the Eastern "WhisperJet".

As to what Boeing will use as a name going forward, it could be "8" - 808, 818, etc. as that is a lucky number in Asia as "7" is in the Western world. They might just stick with 7 and use a different end number - 718, 728. Lucky for Asia and the West.  thumbsup  Early SST models were known as the "733" while the final model series was "2707", so those are other options...

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2007-06-27 00:59:06 and read 209695 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 263):
They might just stick with 7 and use a different end number - 718, 728.

Can you imagine the havoc those designationions would cause in the industry? I know there are no such aircraft, but a quick glance at those numbers and I see 717-800 and 727-800  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 747400sp
Posted 2007-06-27 01:02:30 and read 209354 times.

She looks like a mixer of 777 and 757 to me.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: WestJetYQQ
Posted 2007-06-27 01:09:48 and read 208843 times.

Oh My God....... It's........... Beautiful.........

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 7):
It does not have the triangular windows or the "shark fin" tail like the early renderings

Thank god. In my opinion those characteristics both looked awful.

Great! Thanks for sharing the photos. Good work Boeing! You've done it again!

Cheers
Carson

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Brucek
Posted 2007-06-27 01:28:23 and read 207276 times.

Those shots bring tears to my eyes! Awesome! I'm printing these, as they are really history being made, and the start of the incredible come-back for Boeing. Someone had the foresight to know which product at what time the world needed.

Bruce.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AvObserver
Posted 2007-06-27 01:37:31 and read 206708 times.

Quoting NA (Reply 34):
Thanks to show us the first pictures of the bread and butter aircraft of tomorrow. I expected the 787 to look a bit more dramatic, its not that stunning to my eyes, quite ordinary even. Pretty it is, yes, but I can?t say Wow! The nose and the engines are the best-looking parts.



Quoting NA (Reply 43):
No, but what I expect from this forum is the allowance to be critical, and not be attacked when I don?t join the choir of claqueurs. I don?t deny the 787 looks good, a lot better than the 767, and a bit better than the 777 it replaces, but its not the best thing since sliced bread. For my taste there are too many Hurrahs for a rather conventional looking twinjet. Seems the crowd is very easy to please.

I don't think anyone's attacking you, NA and I'm somewhat sympathetic in your being underwhelmed. After all, the 787 and A350XWB are quite conventional in design aside from their exotic composition so we're not going to be too wowed by their shape but rather by the way they save on fuel and other costs. Still a gorgeous airplane but doesn't quite knock your socks off like the early renderings, not that we're too surprised it was conventionalized over time. After all, it's not looks that sell these things, however much WE may fawn over them. I AM wowed, however, that it's only just over 3 1/2 years after the then-7E7 was formally offered that an actual one's together and will soon be in the air, despite the unique technical challenges of going to such a heavily composite design. THAT is certainly astonishing to me!  eek 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ImperialEagle
Posted 2007-06-27 01:40:19 and read 206416 times.

Thanks SEAchaz, for the wonderful photos. What a great looking aircraft. Can't wait to see it fully painted.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flyabunch
Posted 2007-06-27 01:43:57 and read 206259 times.

Is this the most read and longest thread ever on A.net?

Great plane. Cannot wait for it to fly. I am looking forward to many hours sitting in an extra large window seat on 787's.

Mike

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Anetter123
Posted 2007-06-27 01:48:44 and read 205883 times.

Quoting AF-A319 (Reply 18):
-Really looks like a E170 on steroids to me...!

LMAO!!! IT DOES!!!

I LOVE IT! Can't wait to see inside cabin pics!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Gkyip
Posted 2007-06-27 01:49:25 and read 205883 times.

Great shots, and thanks for giving us a first glimpse to this exciting new aircraft.

Can't wait to see it in Dreamliner colours very soon, one of my favourite c/s and later operating in Virgin colours!

Gary

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Aminobwana
Posted 2007-06-27 01:50:48 and read 205756 times.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 268):
I don't think anyone's attacking you, NA and I'm somewhat sympathetic in your being underwhelmed. After all, the 787 and A350XWB are quite conventional in design aside from their exotic composition so we're not going to be too wowed by their shape but rather by the way they save on fuel and other costs. Still a gorgeous airplane but doesn't quite knock your socks off like the early renderings, not that we're too surprised it was conventionalized over time. After all, it's not looks that sell these things, however much WE may fawn over them. I AM wowed, however, that it's only just over 3 1/2 years after the then-7E7 was formally offered that an actual one's together and will soon be in the air, despite the unique technical challenges of going to such a heavily composite design. THAT is certainly astonishing to me!

Fully agreed !! An aircraft shall be functional and comfortable and nice inside, where we spent many hours trying to kill the time, little matters how it looks from outside and how it is painted. When I take outside detailed look, it is only to be
able to recognize the mode;
A different issue is the exterior incorporates some new or unusual feature, this is interesting, as the Dreamlifter or
the stealth aircrafts

aminobwana

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Pnwtraveler
Posted 2007-06-27 01:58:26 and read 205241 times.

Nothing much left for me to say that hasn't been said many times in different ways already. However aren't the cockpit windows considerably larger? I remember sitting in one of the two jump seats in the cockpit of the L1011 and being absolutely amazed at the size of the aft left window of the cockpit. Was almost like being in a helicopter or something. Although no that big I think the size of the cockpit windows make the plane seem like something in size between the 737 and 767 until you compare it with the other items around it like the escort car.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 474218
Posted 2007-06-27 02:20:27 and read 203803 times.

I just noticed that in the fourth picture the aft nose landing gear doors have not been installed?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Areopagus
Posted 2007-06-27 02:31:32 and read 203172 times.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, SEAchaz!

Quoting Zoom530 (Reply 123):
The shape of the fairing between the wings and the fuselage...notice how the shape of the root connection is not strictly a laminar shape but it sort of undulates, giving it more of an impression of a 'wave' shape. I assume there is some sort of aerodynamic message here.



Quoting AirSpare (Reply 69):
Is there some applications of the area rule at the root? Looks like like it.

I think you are right. It does look like area ruling, and no doubt the engines and pylons play into it as well.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 268):
I AM wowed, however, that it's only just over 3 1/2 years after the then-7E7 was formally offered that an actual one's together and will soon be in the air, despite the unique technical challenges of going to such a heavily composite design. THAT is certainly astonishing to me!

Yes, it always looked like an aggressive project on a very aggressive timeline, but it looks like they are pulling it off.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Cun757
Posted 2007-06-27 02:33:52 and read 203039 times.

Well... what can I say... here is my new favorite aircraft... so long 757...  Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-27 02:36:25 and read 202812 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Thread starter):
What a night, after a lot of waiting the doors finally open and this is what I saw! (The black line is a power line in the way - sorry couldn't avoid it)

I hope your photos get accepted into the airlines.net photo directory. I believe that you made history with the first publicly available photos of the Dreamliner. Good on you.

iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NZ107
Posted 2007-06-27 02:39:07 and read 202662 times.

Awesome!!! Thanks for the pics! Can't wait for it to be painted! Looks our "dream" is becoming reality quite quickly.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LVHGEL
Posted 2007-06-27 02:46:24 and read 202182 times.

It shouts, I BELONG IN THE AIR! lovely craft. thank you for the pics

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ElVen
Posted 2007-06-27 03:28:35 and read 199808 times.

Its a beautiful airplane

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RIHNOSAUR
Posted 2007-06-27 03:46:11 and read 198778 times.

Hi,

Impressive photos from a logistic point of view as well as from a spotting point of view, Thanks SEAchaz for bringing the 787 production so close to a the airplane fan community. I Honestly feel that A net once again proves to be one, of if not the best source of public information available on such subjects 5 stars!!

Man that is so cool I wish I could be there to see it live!

Today a friend of mine at work told me "hey take a look at this" and gave this design magazine with the 787 special on it. In it there was a posted link on their website to their info on the dreamliner...
Most likely this may have been posted already but just in case there are some cool videos of the production and how the composite layers were laid out ...you can also see the gigantic autoclave in which the barrels were cured...
There seems to be tons more....i am exploring it myself

http://www.designnews.com/info/CA6440245.html


cheers.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: GlobalVillage
Posted 2007-06-27 04:01:54 and read 198077 times.

Great photos SEAchaz! I can't believe it's this close to taking-off. Anyone know some tour dates?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2007-06-27 04:12:15 and read 197432 times.

Quoting F14D4ever (Reply 232):

At GE, at least within performance engineering, they're called chevrons.

That too....maybe it's just me!  Smile In any event, it's a unique look.

Quoting BoeingForEver (Reply 259):
u gotta love the american engineering..they are on target to the hour...all from plans set years ago..fantastic looking plane..the engines are sinply HUGE

I was amazed at the size of the engines. I stood next to them yesterday and was surprised at how large they are. It could be the proportions, but it was amazing to FINALLY see the overall proportions of the airplane in real life.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CubanMinotaur
Posted 2007-06-27 04:14:56 and read 197346 times.

Wowsers! She sure is a beauty! I can't wait to see her in her BOEING colors.
Thanks for such great pics!


 Big grin

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Transair737
Posted 2007-06-27 04:22:00 and read 197050 times.

Thanks, great photos. The engines are huge as has been mentioned. The tail looks alot different than I have seen in artists renderings over the last few year. It will be great to see it painted in some classic liveries. Does anyone know is the first flight still shedualed for 7-8-7? If so is there any way to find out what time as a ferry ride and 1 & 1/2 hours in the car and I am there!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MD80fanatic
Posted 2007-06-27 04:29:44 and read 196605 times.

I cannot see what all the hoopla is about. It looks exactly like yet another Boeing twin ..... with a new nose. Thanks for the pics chaz.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bringiton
Posted 2007-06-27 04:31:37 and read 196479 times.

Quoting Transair737 (Reply 286):
Does anyone know is the first flight still shedualed for 7-8-7?

It was never scheduled for that , the rollout is different from first flight and would be on 8th of july . The first flight would be when the aircraft is ready and is expected to be between late august to mid sept .

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Thebry
Posted 2007-06-27 04:34:57 and read 196310 times.

Quoting Transair737 (Reply 286):
Does anyone know is the first flight still shedualed for 7-8-7? If so is there any way to find out what time as a ferry ride and 1 & 1/2 hours in the car and I am there!

The roll-out celebration (with the craft in full Boeing Dreamliner livery) is scheduled for July 8, 2007 (07/08/07). First flight will happen sometime in September (possibly late August, but more likely September).

I've always been a fan of the "concept" of the Dreamliner, but have always had to work out the size and scale in my mind since there have only ever been renderings available. Now that she's "real" I think this is my favorite aircraft of all time. The 777 used to have that distinction, but I think the 787 gets it now (for me). It was just a few days ago I was hanging over the railing during the Boeing factory tour looking at this beauty shrouded in scaffolding. Now she's being painted. The progress Boeing is making simply boggles my mind. This plane is, indeed, a game changer -- especially with regard to manufacturing processes. Way to go Boeing! Others are definitely going to follow in your footsteps!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Lexy
Posted 2007-06-27 04:41:05 and read 196008 times.

This is overwhelming. It's almost like airplane porn! I need a strong, VERY STRONG, drink after that. I could use a cigarette as well. LOL!!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: UAL-Fan
Posted 2007-06-27 05:00:22 and read 195091 times.

I have to go change my underwear now! Seriously this is just an amazing achievement. It is incredible to see this new revolutionary machine standing on it's own legs one step closer to taking to the skies.

Congratulations to Boeing and all of it's workers around the world on your great success with the 787. I CAN'T WAIT TO FLY ON THIS PLANE!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 797
Posted 2007-06-27 05:17:20 and read 194408 times.

Yeeeeeeeeah!

I can't believe it!

Speechless... just can't wait now to see it fully painted, then with the engines shown and then, FLYING!

Ohhh

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ACA77LFAN
Posted 2007-06-27 05:40:00 and read 193387 times.

Incredible. Thanks for the photos!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Theoden
Posted 2007-06-27 05:57:55 and read 192568 times.

I still can't believe they put this thing together so fast. When was the 7E7 launched? It doesn't seem like that long ago, this is amazing to watch. We all look forward to first flight, and eventually flying on one and playing with the electronic window shade thing.

Theoden

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AY104
Posted 2007-06-27 06:22:36 and read 191446 times.

Looks to me sort of like a 767 with 777 engines. Not a bad looking aircraft at all.
Cheers,
AY104

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-27 06:33:38 and read 191000 times.

SEAchaz' thread just topped 100, 000 views in under 24 hours! Surely that has to be a record?

Even the Seattle Times is following behind A.net - James Wallace's blog has an entry that says 'Get a look at the first 787' - if you click on the included link ('here') you'll find that it just refers you to this thread........

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/archives/117232.asp

Thanks again, SEAchaz!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Kuna
Posted 2007-06-27 07:12:20 and read 189394 times.

Awsome pictures, you will be forever known for getting the first pictures of the 787. Awsome shots, and thanks for getting them.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-27 07:20:12 and read 189146 times.

Quoting Kuna (Reply 297):
Awsome pictures, you will be forever known for getting the first pictures of the 787. Awsome shots, and thanks for getting them.

Yes indeed. SEAchaz, everything you do for the rest of your life will be garbage compared to this stunt  bigthumbsup , unless of course you repeat with Y3...

Speaking of airliner extravaganzas, next year will be great, with not much else after that for a couple of years. We have on tap:

1) 748 roll out next year (2008)
1a) 787-8 roll out (2009)
1b) 787-9 roll out (2010)
2) 773 replacement roll out (2012)
3) 350 roll out (2012)
4) Y1 roll out (2013)
5) 320-RS roll out (???)

Boeing seems to have much more going on in the near term.

iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Kuna
Posted 2007-06-27 07:24:57 and read 188978 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 298):
1) 748 roll out next year (2008)

I am looking forward to that as much as I am looking forward to the roll out of the 787-8.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ha763
Posted 2007-06-27 07:32:22 and read 188648 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 298):
1a) 787-8 roll out (2009)

Shouldn't that be 787-3, seeing that the 787-8 just went to the paint booth for roll out on July 8, 2007.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-27 07:33:03 and read 188656 times.

Slight correction needed, Iwok? As far as I know the aeroplane we are discussing is a 788? So the 783 will be next (EIS scheduled for 2010), and the 789 (EIS 'late 2010') last?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-06-27 07:35:02 and read 188578 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 298):
Speaking of airliner extravaganzas, next year will be great, with not much else after that for a couple of years. We have on tap:

1) 748 roll out next year (2008)
1a) 787-8 roll out (2009)
1b) 787-9 roll out (2010)
2) 773 replacement roll out (2012)
3) 350 roll out (2012)
4) Y1 roll out (2013)
5) 320-RS roll out (???)

I'd have to say it's probably more like:

1) 748 roll out next year (2008)
1a) 787-3 roll out (2009) (probably what you meant to say  Wink)
1b) 787-9 roll out (2010)
2) 773 replacement (Y3) roll out (2018)
3) 350 roll out (2012)
4) Y1 roll out (2014)
5) 320-RS roll out (2016-2017)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SEAchaz
Posted 2007-06-27 07:36:09 and read 188501 times.

Everyone please join me in thanking IAD787 as well! If it weren't for his work on flightblogger.blogspot.com and the lead he had on the 787 going over for paint last night I would have never bothered to show up and we'd be left with nothing!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Goodbye
Posted 2007-06-27 07:39:45 and read 188420 times.

Looks like an uglier (if that's possible) 767.

Nothing to get excited about.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Longhaulheavy
Posted 2007-06-27 07:42:38 and read 188287 times.

Outstanding work to all who were involved in this little undertaking. It's so good to finally see it all come together.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-27 07:44:53 and read 188207 times.

Largely agree with your list, MCIguy, except that I don't see Boeing waiting until 2014 to produce their next new model. This will either be Y1 or Y3 - my money, like yours, is currently on the 737 replacement being next. But I think it will appear quite a lot sooner than 2014.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirlineBrat
Posted 2007-06-27 07:45:48 and read 188206 times.

Before this thread gets locked, all I can say is WOW!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 07:52:21 and read 187874 times.

Great pictures, it's Boeing's prettiest plane yet in my opinion. I can't wait until the first one for Air Canada rolls out in a few years. Hopefully Boeing will keep to their schedule and she'll start flying on time.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bringiton
Posted 2007-06-27 07:53:59 and read 187872 times.

I think boeing would Launch a 737RS program sometime in 2009-2010 timeframe with rollout in 2013-2014 and EIS the following year .

Also Now that the dreamliner has gon into the paintshop , when is due to come out ?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FighterPilot
Posted 2007-06-27 07:57:09 and read 187721 times.

All I can say is wow....  Wow!

Cal  airplane 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ScottSEA
Posted 2007-06-27 08:00:03 and read 187561 times.

SEAchaz's photo is on the Seattle P-I's front page of the web site: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ Maybe on page 1 of tomorrow's paper? Way to go!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-06-27 08:01:42 and read 187562 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 306):
Largely agree with your list, MCIguy, except that I don't see Boeing waiting until 2014 to produce their next new model. This will either be Y1 or Y3 - my money, like yours, is currently on the 737 replacement being next. But I think it will appear quite a lot sooner than 2014.

Yeah, you could easily be right. I'm sure preliminary design work is underway and they'll just be waiting on engines by 2012.  Smile

I agree that this is some of Boeing's best-looking work if not the best. The CFRP just allows for such wonderful flowing, curving shapes unlike anything before. The engines are beautiful and look much more proportionate to the fuselage than the 767's. While not the "shark fin" from the early renderings, the vertical stabilzer did retain a suggestion of it and is unique.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 08:03:11 and read 187492 times.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 309):
Also Now that the dreamliner has gon into the paintshop , when is due to come out ?

Roll out is scheduled for July 7, but I'd imagine it will only spend a few days getting paint.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Stevo310
Posted 2007-06-27 08:14:00 and read 187139 times.

Full-on congrats SEAchaz for your 'eagle eyed' handy work.

For something we have been so eagerly awaiting, it is a real pleasure to see in FULL reality now.
Painted versions will be great, can't wait for QF livery to show up here.

As an aside, to those who even until fairly recent times, were making routine comments about 'Boeing's 787 'Ghost', these pix must come as a real disappointment, that reality does in fact bite.

Congrats also to Boeing, it's workers & suppliers, for a thoroughly well put together creation.
Here's to a long & happy future for the many variations of this type.

Cheers all, Stevo.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Astuteman
Posted 2007-06-27 08:14:38 and read 187069 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Thread starter):

Many thanks for both the thread and the fantastic photos, SEAchaz.  thumbsup 
Sort of takes your breath away to see this much-talked-about-aircraft in the flesh......
And for me, it looks fabulous.  biggrin 

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 222):
Since the wings look almost the same as other aircraft I presume the wingflex is stronger than on other aircraft, correct?

If you see the plan view, you'll see just how "narrow" the wings are (compared to any other airliner wings I've ever seen  Smile ) - they have a very high aspect ratio.
There's at least one great picture of the wing in IAD787's threads somewhere.....
It looks quite amazing!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 165):
In a thread memorializing a crucial step of a milestone product is not the place to debate the pros and cons of the project, or be critical of those who want to pass their congratulations on to those who made it happen.

Couldn't agree more, AeroWesty.  checkmark 

(Not that the A380 was ever afforded such luxury. Fingers crossed for no tit-for-tat responses)

Regards

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jetfixr757
Posted 2007-06-27 08:21:11 and read 186819 times.

Folks, composite tubes, how much can she weigh? Wonder what the gross t/o and z/f weights are?
Jet

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: PIA777
Posted 2007-06-27 08:26:12 and read 186588 times.

Nice looking Plane. Seems a bit overpowered by those Huge engines. I can't wait to fly in it.

PIA777

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 08:34:39 and read 186254 times.

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 316):
Folks, composite tubes, how much can she weigh? Wonder what the gross t/o and z/f weights are?

Empty weight for the -8 is 240,000 lb, ZFW is 340,000 lb and MTOW is 484,000 lb.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Azhobo
Posted 2007-06-27 08:40:06 and read 186085 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 303):
I'd have to say it's probably more like:

1) 748 roll out next year (2008)
1a) 787-3 roll out (2009) (probably what you meant to say )
1b) 787-9 roll out (2010)
2) 773 replacement (Y3) roll out (2018)
3) 350 roll out (2012)
4) Y1 roll out (2014)
5) 320-RS roll out (2016-2017)

What about the A389. Should it not be in that time frame also? When is its EIS?

HOBO

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 08:49:38 and read 185720 times.

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 319):
What about the A389. Should it not be in that time frame also? When is its EIS?

I think it's "slated" for 2012. In case you didn't notice, the timeline appears to only include Boeing products.  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Baw716
Posted 2007-06-27 09:22:39 and read 184487 times.

Well, it looks spot on, doesn't it.

In terms of size, it looks slightly larger than a 767-300, slightly smaller than the 777-200. The engines and wings, however, give the impression the aircraft is much larger. Once we see the 787 next to a 767 or a 777 will we really know the size.

One thing is for certain: Those engines and those wings with a composite body...it's going to be a rocket! Looks like the guys up the road have done it again (I live down the road from the plant).
baw716

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SEAchaz
Posted 2007-06-27 09:35:41 and read 184036 times.

The Everett Herald has finally posted some shots from last night - the lone local media outlet that sent someone to cover the event. She's got a couple different angles on it when it first rolled out the as she was shooting further down the fence from me initially and a good nose shot. Surprised it took them this long to post.

http://www.heraldnet.com/PhotoGaller...yID=354&photo=200762615242922&sr=1

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DavidkunzVIE
Posted 2007-06-27 09:39:12 and read 183909 times.

Quoting Acey (Reply 320):
In case you didn't notice, the timeline appears to only include Boeing products.

Really?  Wink The 350, the 320RS?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Keesje
Posted 2007-06-27 10:18:17 and read 182631 times.











Source : http://www.heraldnet.com/PhotoGaller...yID=354&photo=200762615254187&sr=1

Charles' photo's still the best one available at this point..

Were you able to sell them somehow? Better put your mail address somewhere ..

[Edited 2007-06-27 10:30:43]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Platinumfoota
Posted 2007-06-27 10:29:39 and read 182281 times.

 Wow! She looks GREAT!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FlyingHigh
Posted 2007-06-27 10:38:44 and read 181971 times.

Woot! More great photos!  bigthumbsup  Cool.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Windshear
Posted 2007-06-27 11:05:31 and read 181143 times.

Wow what a gorgeous plane!  drool 

Can't wait to see her painted!

Boaz.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-27 11:21:11 and read 180705 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 301):
Slight correction needed, Iwok? As far as I know the aeroplane we are discussing is a 788? So the 783 will be next (EIS scheduled for 2010), and the 789 (EIS 'late 2010') last?



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 302):
I'd have to say it's probably more like:

1) 748 roll out next year (2008)
1a) 787-3 roll out (2009) (probably what you meant to say  )
1b) 787-9 roll out (2010)
2) 773 replacement (Y3) roll out (2018)
3) 350 roll out (2012)
4) Y1 roll out (2014)
5) 320-RS roll out (2016-2017)

Fiddlesticks! Thanks for catching the error.

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 303):
Everyone please join me in thanking IAD787 as well! If it weren't for his work on flightblogger.blogspot.com and the lead he had on the 787 going over for paint last night I would have never bothered to show up and we'd be left with nothing!

Right on! How many people were out there last night? I am surprised that more people did not post.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 306):
Largely agree with your list, MCIguy, except that I don't see Boeing waiting until 2014 to produce their next new model. This will either be Y1 or Y3 - my money, like yours, is currently on the 737 replacement being next. But I think it will appear quite a lot sooner than 2014

I tend to agree with you that we'll see Y1 before Y3, but I anticipate a 777-300ER and 777-200LR upgrade to take the edge of the higher 350 variants.

Quoting Acey (Reply 320):
I think it's "slated" for 2012. In case you didn't notice, the timeline appears to only include Boeing products.

Acey, I assume that you missed the 350 & 320 models.   Regarding the 389, I assumed it was on hold. I don't see how Airbus can work on the 350, 389 and 320RS at the same time. Of course, I could be wrong, in which case we could add the 389 back into the mix.

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 322):
The Everett Herald has finally posted some shots from last night - the lone local media outlet that sent someone to cover the event.

And the pictures are nowhere near as good as yours. This is where aviation buffs have an advantage over regular news photographers.

iwok

edited for minor changes

[Edited 2007-06-27 11:35:22]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Burkhard
Posted 2007-06-27 11:21:43 and read 180704 times.

Thanks for the photos!

Surpised she is so low above ground, makes it looking scared, as if afraid due to its big ears! Or a cat that cannot wait to jump?

Nevertheless, she carries the hopes of many many thousands of workers, and will carry millions of passengers - God bless her!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: XT6Wagon
Posted 2007-06-27 11:40:29 and read 180127 times.

The 389 has a EIS of never as of Airbus pressreleases to date. Never announced it, never started actual development, etc.

On topic, thanks for the wonderful photos.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RJ111
Posted 2007-06-27 11:43:07 and read 180074 times.

Looks pretty smart.

Though i'll miss the 767 as it's my favorite Boeing.  Sad

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2007-06-27 12:04:34 and read 179452 times.

Looks great.
Although a bit bulky.
Whens the Painting due.
regds
MEL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Keesje
Posted 2007-06-27 12:22:16 and read 179062 times.

Flight Global picked them up..

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...eaves-assembly-hall-for-paint.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 13:20:38 and read 177714 times.

Quoting S.p.a.s. (Reply 233):
Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 228):
But again, it was designed to do a specific job and it will do it well.

Will it?

If flies doesn't it? Then it does its job well.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 13:23:23 and read 177661 times.

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 270):
Is this the most read and longest thread ever on A.net?

Not by a longshot

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-27 15:24:10 and read 172627 times.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 185):
I think the livery will be the biggest letdown--- Boeing introduced it two years ago on another model, and several derivatives have worn it since. It's passe', at this point.

They should've kept the 773ER livery, and introduced the Dreamliner livery on... well... the Dreamliner.

While it is highly likely it will roll out in the "Dreamliner" colors, who knows, maybe Boeing has a little surprise up its sleeve. There could be something special done for the first 787.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Flyhigh326
Posted 2007-06-27 15:54:38 and read 170845 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Thread starter):

These pictures must be the best pictures.
Hopefully, I can see 787 soon as possible.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 15:55:48 and read 170845 times.

I'm not disappointed by the outcome of the plane. I tell you what disappoints me is all the whining and complaining that goes on in the threads. It's a plane. It has wings and engines and it will fly. Beyond that... Boeing doesn't design the plane to passenger specs, they design the plane for the customer, ie, the carriers. If you want to complain, complain to the carriers. Sheesh. Can anyone just talk about the positives and innovation this product brings to market and the possibilities to come rather than griping about the fact that it looks like any other plane????

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: OlegShv
Posted 2007-06-27 16:13:03 and read 169767 times.

Beautiful plane! Can't wait to see it flying!

Thanks for capturing one of those historic moments!

Oleg.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2007-06-27 16:17:54 and read 169528 times.

And now the Seattle PI

Nice work Charles.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/321458_dreamliner27ww.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-27 16:26:01 and read 169003 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 338):
I tell you what disappoints me is all the whining and complaining that goes on in the threads. It's a plane. It has wings and engines and it will fly. Beyond that... Boeing doesn't design the plane to passenger specs, they design the plane for the customer, ie, the carriers. If you want to complain, complain to the carriers. Sheesh. Can anyone just talk about the positives and innovation this product brings to market and the possibilities to come rather than griping about the fact that it looks like any other plane????

Well for most of us here Aviation is a hobby and because of that we care about the looks of aircraft.
As I said earlier in this thread I became fascinated with aviation when I saw all the different looking aircraft in TXL and FRA.
I flew to FRA on a Pan Am 727 to FRA and from there with a LH A310 to Madrid. Being a little kid I got playing cards from LH with all the aircraft their had in their fleet (727s, Dc 10s, 737-200s, A310s, 747s etc) and I was amazed by that.
I took the cards and checked if I could recognize all the aircraft standing on the tarmac of course I could not recognize all of them because Dc9s etc were not in LH's fleet so my parents bought me a book at the airport book store with nearly all airliners and airlines in it.
Now, I think I would not be so easily thrilled by airlines because in a few years we will only have Emb E-Jets, A32x, 737s, A330s, A350s, 787s aircraft that will look very much the same.
From a technological standpoint the 787 is really a great aircraft but all the high tech is not visible for the naked eye so it is just another twin with wing mounted engines just like 767,777 or A310/A330.
For me it makes aviation less exciting then it was 20 years ago.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-27 17:18:54 and read 165821 times.

Well the reason for the same design is because right now that is the most efficient thing Boeing can do. There will be a different shape eventually, but right now the smart thing to do is to squeeze every bit of efficiency out of the tube and wing design.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-27 17:37:01 and read 164728 times.

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 342):
Well the reason for the same design is because right now that is the most efficient thing Boeing can do. There will be a different shape eventually, but right now the smart thing to do is to squeeze every bit of efficiency out of the tube and wing design

Yeah, I know but I would love to see another modern T Tail with rear mounted engines, a new VC 10  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2007-06-27 17:43:22 and read 164357 times.

Quoting Acey (Reply 313):
Roll out is scheduled for July 7, but I'd imagine it will only spend a few days getting paint.

After she's painted and until roll-out, various systems will be installed in preparation for first flight.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 17:43:46 and read 164355 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 328):
Acey, I assume that you missed the 350 & 320 models. � Regarding the 389, I assumed it was on hold. I don't see how Airbus can work on the 350, 389 and 320RS at the same time. Of course, I could be wrong, in which case we could add the 389 back into the mix.

Yeah, my bad; I overlooked them. I also wasn't even aware development of the 389 had stalled, so there you go.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-06-27 17:52:18 and read 163786 times.

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 336):
While it is highly likely it will roll out in the "Dreamliner" colors, who knows, maybe Boeing has a little surprise up its sleeve. There could be something special done for the first 787.

My guess is that it will indeed be the "Dreamliner" colors. You can already see the blue rudder with the white spots and it compares perfectly to this livery pictured here.

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices...mages/commercial/787/k63304-4.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Graphic
Posted 2007-06-27 17:55:35 and read 163677 times.

Dreamliner colors with ANA tail.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bringiton
Posted 2007-06-27 17:59:04 and read 163432 times.

A quick question -

The 787 has 630 plus orders now , does any one have the breakdown of how many are ordered with GE and how many with RR.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 18:02:39 and read 163189 times.

A new T-tail design would be something to see. But as far as thee 787's looks and all the let down... you all, enthusiasts or not, have to remember that aerodynamics play into this a whole lot more than you give credit or even think about. There's only so much you can do to improve aerodynamics at this point in our technological advancements. I've grown up around this industry and worked in it for almost a decade. Aviation is truly fascinating. But practicality has got to win out over fantasy. They can do almost anything with the aerodynamics of cars these days. But the huge difference in a car vs. a plane is too obvious to even mention besides this: a car doesn't fly or haul hundreds of people across vast distances, in the air. At some point, as Chuck Yeager illustrated when he pushed the Bell X-?? to the point of stall at almost mach 2... the air can't get out of the way fast enough for the plane to maintain lift. Now I know we aren't talking about the 787 doing mach 2. But the point is pretty clear. It can look like something out of Star Wars, but can it fly? It's still one of the sharpest airplanes to come out in a long time. I flew the 777 a few years ago. And for all the fan fair it caused, I was very unimpressed. Sure the flight was incredible as far as the plane itself was concerned. But as a passenger, I'm more concerned with the cabin and interior. And that was a true let down. It's big and holds a lot of people. But it was uncomfortable and unfriendly. Who cares what it looks like on the outside as long as the cabin is comfortable and the things gets me there in one piece. Too much focus on the looks of the thing. It's a 21st Century jet, not the Millenium Falcon or the Enterprise.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-27 18:15:54 and read 162481 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 349):
Too much focus on the looks of the thing. It's a 21st Century jet, not the Millenium Falcon or the Enterprise

I am an old school guy, not too much into Science Fiction, I love 707s, 727s, Dc 8s, Dc 9s, L1011s and Dc10s for me this plain and simple design of the 787 is a step down from those great looking aircraft from the past......

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 18:19:52 and read 162272 times.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 348):

The 787 has 630 plus orders now , does any one have the breakdown of how many are ordered with GE and how many with RR.

General Electric -- 275
Rolls-Royce -- 135

CO's 10 are GE. NW's 50 are RR.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 18:20:39 and read 162148 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 350):
I am an old school guy, not too much into Science Fiction, I love 707s, 727s, Dc 8s, Dc 9s, L1011s and Dc10s for me this plain and simple design of the 787 is a step down from those great looking aircraft from the past......

Maybe. But I still say it's silly to get so hyped up over the looks of the thing. It wasn't built to look pretty. It was built to do a job.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2007-06-27 18:22:27 and read 162036 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 344):
Quoting Acey (Reply 313):
Roll out is scheduled for July 7, but I'd imagine it will only spend a few days getting paint.

Are people still misunderstanding this? Rollout, aka the "Premiere", is scheduled for Sunday, July 8.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 347):
Dreamliner colors with ANA tail.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 18:24:02 and read 162036 times.

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 353):
Are people still misunderstanding this? Rollout, aka the "Premiere", is scheduled for Sunday, July 8.

What I was saying was that it won't take unitl then to get paint.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Bringiton
Posted 2007-06-27 18:24:05 and read 161920 times.

Quoting Acey (Reply 351):
General Electric -- 275
Rolls-Royce -- 135

CO's 10 are GE. NW's 50 are RR.

Do you know anything about the other? That only makes like 410 and we have more then 200 orders over and above that .

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-27 18:26:05 and read 161815 times.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 355):
Quoting Acey (Reply 351):
General Electric -- 275
Rolls-Royce -- 135

CO's 10 are GE. NW's 50 are RR.

Do you know anything about the other? That only makes like 410 and we have more then 200 orders over and above that .

That information I just gave you is wrong, as NW only has 18 on order but 50 options. The list is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2007-06-27 18:32:53 and read 161495 times.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 324):
Charles' photo's still the best one available at this point..

Were you able to sell them somehow?

You've provided the answer.....

Quoting Keesje (Reply 333):
Flight Global picked them up..

And rather than "up" - it's apparent that they "picked them out"!

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup  Way to go Chaz. Thanks a lot and Congratulations!!!  goldmedal 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-06-27 18:37:59 and read 161294 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 352):
Maybe. But I still say it's silly to get so hyped up over the looks of the thing. It wasn't built to look pretty. It was built to do a job.

There we agree, I think we have seen this thread from a different perspective.
You have seen the people complaining how boring this aircraft looks and not seeing the technological improvements.
I have read the thread I have seen all the posts where people got so excited about how great the aircraft looks and I could not understand that excitement since I don' t see anything special in that aircraft as it looks like a face lifted 767 for me.
It is a great aircraft in terms of fuel efficency and enviromental standards and passenger comfort but when it comes to looks give me a 727-200Adv. instead since that is what I call a good looking aircraft  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Rampart
Posted 2007-06-27 18:55:12 and read 160433 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 349):
Aviation is truly fascinating. But practicality has got to win out over fantasy.

I get it, we all get it. Anyone here gets it. But you may not be getting Columba's sentiment, which really hits it on the head for me:

Quoting Columba (Reply 343):
Yeah, I know but I would love to see another modern T Tail with rear mounted engines, a new VC 10

His heritage in how he came to love aviation is nearly identical to mine, and probably many of us. I LOVE that Boeing has this new plane coming out with all it entails. I can't wait to be a passenger. However, commercial aviation just doesn't have the variety it used to. I can accept that, but it's sort of sad. I'm going to find it easier pointing out types of birds than types of airplanes to my son, and it used to be the other way around!

So, like we shouldn't get all knotted up about the lack of variety, the techies shouldn't get all knotted up about the nostalgia and aesthetics that we enthusiasts enjoy.

But as I said above, I TRULY appreciate the opportunity to catch these first glimpses. Very exciting!

-Rampart

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-06-27 18:56:32 and read 160343 times.

Quoting Acey (Reply 351):
CO's 10 are GE.

CO has 25 on order: 8x788 + 17x789. All will be GE even if not all are ordered as such. CO won't mix the fleet.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2007-06-27 19:09:08 and read 159689 times.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 347):
Dreamliner colors with ANA tail.

Did you even look at the rudder in the photos?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Keesje
Posted 2007-06-27 19:15:36 and read 159447 times.

Another one of Charles photo´s:

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jogales
Posted 2007-06-27 19:17:52 and read 159322 times.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 347):
Dreamliner colors with ANA tail.

The rudder is definitely in dreamliner colors...I wonder if they'll put ANA on it instead of 787? It doesn't look like the tail is going to be in full ANA colors.  scratchchin 

Josh

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Babybus
Posted 2007-06-27 20:15:04 and read 156736 times.

Oh...it looks like a 767 that's had very cheap plastic surgery. And those 777 style engines with a fat 767 tail, give it a lamb dressed as mutton look. Back to the drawing board for the next one...I hope.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Fridgmus
Posted 2007-06-27 20:18:13 and read 156562 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 168):
There's someone clearly not attuned to the airline jargon... they are never referred to as motors, according to our initial training class... they are engines. LOL We were almost scared into never calling them engines. LOL

How about "Big Ol Honkin' Blowers"???  cheeky 

Thanks SEAChaz, IAD787 and of course, Boeing!

I'm in love!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Aleksandar
Posted 2007-06-27 20:31:51 and read 156072 times.

What a beauty!!!!  Wow!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EISHN
Posted 2007-06-27 20:35:15 and read 155908 times.

I don't think it's that great looking. Maybe because it is yet to have it's paint job, but still, it's kinda boring. It almost looks like a giant Embrarer long haul jet, from the shape of the nose.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-06-27 20:39:59 and read 155739 times.

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 353):
Quoting Graphic (Reply 347):
Dreamliner colors with ANA tail.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I thought Boeing actually said ti was going to be this.(?)

I can't believe anyone would find this plane unattractive. It's far more beautiful and graceful-looking than other recent offerings to the market. I never thought the 767 was all that pretty, but this is. I'm old enough to remember when all the classics were in service and I can understand a sentimental attachment to them, but I also believe in progress. The use of CFRP is allowing for sexy, sports car lines that weren't possible with aluminum. I think the 787 is the trendsetter in both looks and functionality. Boeing has their work cut out, this will be a tough act to follow.  Wink

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2007-06-27 20:47:09 and read 155426 times.

And now KOMOTV has gotten into the mix, with a link to this thread from here:

http://www.komotv.com/news/8205032.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Glareskin
Posted 2007-06-27 20:52:20 and read 155171 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 338):
I'm not disappointed by the outcome of the plane. I tell you what disappoints me is all the whining and complaining that goes on in the threads. It's a plane.

If this is how you feel there is no reason for you to be on this forum. This is for airplane nerds who like to discuss every detail. Positive and negative by the way.....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 21:31:41 and read 153730 times.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 370):
Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 338):
I'm not disappointed by the outcome of the plane. I tell you what disappoints me is all the whining and complaining that goes on in the threads. It's a plane.

If this is how you feel there is no reason for you to be on this forum. This is for airplane nerds who like to discuss every detail. Positive and negative by the way.....

I get that point. Just don't blow it all out of proportion is all. You have your opinion and I have mine. I will voice mine just as loudly as the rest. I realize this forum, in all its glory, is for enthusiasts alike... non-aviation employed or otherwise. But sooo many people just talk for the sake of talking (or typing) with no real clue of what they are talking about. There are a lot of good comments and questions. And then there aren't so many good ones to balance that out. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. And all the points of view are great to see. I get all that. It's just tiresome to focus on just one topic... someone talk about cabin outfitting or avionics or... anything but how it just looks like another plane.

I think it's a testament to the new manufacturing techniques and materials that this plane was assembled to this point in just about 3 months. Beautiful machine, even if it does just look like a rebadged 767. It's like car manufacturers... platform sharing, while very boring and unoriginal, is very smart financially for the manufacturer. Use the best features of all your products and add some new technology and you may well have the best thing since butter. That's what I think Boeing did with the 787. Even if it looks like all the others... if you are a REAL aviation enthusiast, you'll be able to pick it out in a crowd.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-27 21:43:22 and read 153192 times.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 369):
And now KOMOTV has gotten into the mix, with a link to this thread from here:

http://www.komotv.com/news/8205032.html

Heh heh.. Flightblogger and SEAchaz are certainly getting their share of the limelight. I think I found the location from where the photos were taken.

Big version: Width: 630 Height: 448 File size: 105kb
Possible location for SEAchaz during photo shoot?


iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Rampart
Posted 2007-06-27 22:03:12 and read 152311 times.

Edit: I'm self deleting this post addressing AirTran717, even after AirTran717's positive reply below. I'm aware that this thread is seeing more media attention, and I'm concerned about the negative dialogue, even if it's about the OP's images. So, I'll attempt to repost my original statement, referencing this thread, on a new topic in the Site Related forum. If I were a moderator, that's what I'd ask myself to do.

Sorry for fouling up the continuity.

-Rampart

[Edited 2007-06-27 22:30:03]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-27 22:08:56 and read 152058 times.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 373):

I agree Rampart. Point taken. But you have to admit, it's hard to have a real idea of what it will look like until it's painted and completed. I'll withold my final opinons on it until I see one with an actual livery on it, and not it's bare parts showing. That being said... it's time to brave the Atlanta evening rush hour... back tomorrow morning to see what other discussions have or have not been drummed up.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: EISHN
Posted 2007-06-27 22:17:34 and read 151712 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 371):
Reply 371

I absolutely agree with you. Very well put.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2007-06-28 00:07:50 and read 147893 times.

I think I found the location from where the photos were taken.

The shots were taken from the grassy knoll?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SWISSER
Posted 2007-06-28 01:14:41 and read 145914 times.

Well done Boeing!
Looks fantastic, even in bare skin!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Gunsontheroof
Posted 2007-06-28 03:03:31 and read 143445 times.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 372):

That's Boeing property, so not likely. I've been betting on the bushes in the parking lot off the northeast corner of Airport Rd. and W. Casino Rd. The structures between the tanks near the paint hangar across the street seem to be in the shots.



Just a guess!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: S.p.a.s.
Posted 2007-06-28 04:14:12 and read 142063 times.

I would say the photos were made from two different locations... first close to the area shown by Iwok, then, while the plane was being towed (on a slow speed for sure) the photographer changed locations to the spot shown by Gunsontheroof

Salz

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-06-28 04:50:27 and read 141383 times.

Upon closer inspection, I have to say the rudder isn't painted in ANA colors, it looks more like the standard Dreamliner colors. No offense to ANA, but I'd like to see the Dreamliner livery with "787" on the tail and then later just painting the tail in ANA livery when it's delivered to them. I'm sure they'll go for it.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-28 04:53:50 and read 141334 times.

What is pretty cool...I'm sitting here looking at the photos, and then the render on my wall, and finally an early render that ran in an aviation magazine of the original shark design. Pretty cool to see how this thing has gone from the early design to roll out.
This really is the first plane that I have followed from the design phase and all the way to roll out.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Oroka
Posted 2007-06-28 05:35:33 and read 140556 times.

Wow, what a score! Congrats on the great pictures!

I never really considered the scale of the 787... bigger than I imagined, but still lovely!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-28 05:40:20 and read 140446 times.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 364):
Oh...it looks like a 767 that's had very cheap plastic surgery.



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 366):
What a beauty!!!!

Fun to see such wide differences of opinion. My own views are somewhere in the middle, I would never expect a new commercial airliner to win any beauty contests but I am deeply impressed by the 'elegant yet functional' air that the 787 already projects; and by the incredibly smooth finish imparted by composite construction.

But there's some other points we should all bear in mind. For obvious reasons, SEAchaz didn't have a free choice of the angles from which he took his shots. None of them is side-on, most are at an angle of about 45 degrees or more. Which leads to 'foreshortening,' i.e. makes the fuselage look shorter and thicker than it actually is. And he had to shoot more or less from ground level, he had no opportunity to show any sort of 'plan view' of the wings. Finally, all the shots had to be taken with a telephoto lens, possibly that led to extra foreshortening.

Furhter, as Astuteman pointed out earlier in this thread, all the signs are that the 787's wings are going to look very 'different.' Not only will they have a very high aspect ratio (i.e. be 'narrow' when viewed from above), all the signs are that they will be swept (i.e. angled back) rather more than we are accustomed to seeing (as will the tailplane and tailfin).

Two pictures on the Boeing site are relevant. One, only an artist's impression of course, shows that the 787 will in fact look relatively slender from sideways on, with dramatically-swept wings - the other, taken during assembly, gives quite a good idea of how slender and 'raked-back' the 787 wings are going to look in flight.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787...amily/news/2007/q2/070619c_nr.html

So nobody should lose hope that, when we finally see this aeroplane flying, it may still turn out to be quite a 'looker.'

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Freshlove1
Posted 2007-06-28 05:52:34 and read 140239 times.

I am not impressed, although those are some nice pictures by the photographer. I agree it looks like a 767-200. Maybe when its painted in some airlines colors it will look different but right now its just another boring twin-jet.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-28 05:56:38 and read 140163 times.

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 384):
I am not impressed, although those are some nice pictures by the photographer. I agree it looks like a 767-200. Maybe when its painted in some airlines colors it will look different but right now its just another boring twin-jet.

I think it's better that it doesn't look radically different from past Boeing jets. It is certainly more technologically advanced and aerodynamic than the 762, which debuted some two and a half decades ago. I've heard a few people say that it doesn't look good enough, but I'm not sure what you're expecting...something like their Sonic Cruiser concept?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Astuteman
Posted 2007-06-28 07:57:37 and read 138369 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 383):
Two pictures on the Boeing site are relevant. One, only an artist's impression of course, shows that the 787 will in fact look relatively slender from sideways on, with dramatically-swept wings - the other, taken during assembly, gives quite a good idea of how slender and 'raked-back' the 787 wings are going to look in flight.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787....html

Thanks, NAV20. The lower of those 2 pictures is exactly the picture I recall seeing  thumbsup .

Those are extraordinary looking wings.....

Regards

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Cross757
Posted 2007-06-28 08:52:55 and read 137595 times.

This is only my second post now, so don't kill me...I haven't had time to read all of the previous 386 replies, so I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but anyway:

Does the 787 fuselage have a circular cross-section like the 777 or the famous "double-bubble" of previous Boeing designs? From the pictures (which are excellent by the way...watching aviation history in the making) the fuselage almost appears to be somewhat elliptical. I'm sure it's just the angle from which the photos were taken, but it looks that way to me.

Thanks in advance!

Cross757

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-28 09:00:58 and read 137474 times.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 386):
Those are extraordinary looking wings.....

You bet, Astuteman - regards in return.

Links to three-view drawings of the 737 and 777 below, showing the (previously 'normal') wing areas, aspect ratios and sweep angles:-

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_exterior.html

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_exterior_general.html

[Edited 2007-06-28 09:03:32]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-28 09:24:11 and read 137147 times.

Hi Cross757, welcome to A.net!

Yes, the 787 fuselage is very distinctly elliptical. This apparently makes it a better shape for accommodating passengers (who will have more shoulder room) and cargo while keeping frontal area (and therefore drag) as low as possible. And by all accounts it is easier to achieve by means of all-composite construction without prohibitive weight penalties. This shows the elliptical fuselage section pretty clearly:-

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/archives/115095.asp

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Acey
Posted 2007-06-28 09:39:27 and read 136955 times.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 376):
The shots were taken from the grassy knoll?

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NYC777
Posted 2007-06-28 15:17:36 and read 132360 times.

SEAchaz, congrats on the aviation scoop of the year...getting the first pics of a structurally complete 787 is great and they're really good too. Thank you for sharing and thanks to IAD787 for the assist to!!  wink  .

By EIS, Everett's ramp is going to be full of 787s so that will be a great picture to see!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Boeing747_600
Posted 2007-06-28 15:34:14 and read 131934 times.

it looks like an A300-600 without the winglets.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NYC777
Posted 2007-06-28 16:23:11 and read 130651 times.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 378):
Quoting Iwok (Reply 372):


That's Boeing property, so not likely. I've been betting on the bushes in the parking lot off the northeast corner of Airport Rd. and W. Casino Rd. The structures between the tanks near the paint hangar across the street seem to be in the shots.



Just a guess!

Heh, and don't forget the shooter on the roof....triangulation of crossfire, that 's the key!!! Assured of a hit,er shot....er picture! LOL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: 747LUVR
Posted 2007-06-28 18:37:03 and read 127316 times.

great shots....what a thing of beauty....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-06-28 20:47:26 and read 124919 times.

Is it just me, or is this the longest most viewed thread ever?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirTran717
Posted 2007-06-28 22:02:28 and read 123545 times.

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 395):
Is it just me, or is this the longest most viewed thread ever?

As I stated waaaaaay above... not by a long shot. LOL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ronerone
Posted 2007-06-28 22:07:07 and read 123467 times.

She is one beautiful aircraft! those engines are HUGE!

Roni

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-29 04:00:38 and read 119377 times.

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 396):
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 395):
Is it just me, or is this the longest most viewed thread ever?

As I stated waaaaaay above... not by a long shot. LOL

So what has been the most viewed thread so far, AirTran717?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: SEAchaz
Posted 2007-06-29 04:36:32 and read 119048 times.

Can't believe this thread is still active with close to 400 posts. Just like to say thanks for all the compliments and thanks to all who have posted. I'm glad I could share the photos with this group of die hard aviation enthusiasts - had no idea it would generate this kind of response!

So thanks again to all, especially to IAD787 who had the insider tip that paid off on his site: http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

SEAchaz

[Edited 2007-06-29 05:06:55]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2007-06-29 05:04:07 and read 118751 times.

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 399):
Can't believe this thread is still active with close to 400 posts. Just like to say thanks for all the compliments and thanks to all who have posted. I'm glad I could share the photos with this group of die hard aviation enthusiasts - had no idea it would generate this kind of response!

So thanks again to all, especially to IAD787 who had the insider tip that paid of on his site: http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

SEAchaz

Thanks... Smile

Can't wait for the roll out in a few days.. yes  thumbsup 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Gregarious119
Posted 2007-06-29 05:04:33 and read 118754 times.

Make that 400! SEAchaz.....great work! Can't wait to see what you come up with when it rolls out of the shop! When is that supposed to happen?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2007-06-29 05:11:14 and read 118691 times.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 369):

IAD787 & Charles, you got on the news!!! Congrats!!! I now notice that we are all getting noticed in the media and the general public daily. We have sure grown!

Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 399):
So thanks again to all, especially to IAD787 who had the insider tip that paid of on his site: http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

These two dudes deserve a beer!  Smile

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MoMan
Posted 2007-06-29 05:40:33 and read 118427 times.

Thanks SEA, these pics make me proud to be a supporter of Boeing products.

Can you tell us the story about the police, and how you got the pictures?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-29 05:44:49 and read 118373 times.

SEAchaz, Thanks again for the photos! Any angry calls from Boeing yet for putting out pictures of their top secret "Ghostliner"? The roll out is going to be great, but nothing beats this...seeing the 787 before any one else. The news broke here!

The outside of this aircraft already looks amazing and the paint should add to that. I am also looking forward to seeing the first shots of the interior. The renders looked great with all of the blue light. It should be pretty cool to see how close the final product is to the real thing.

As I have said before, for a tube and wing design the 787 is pretty amazing looking. It seems like with each upgrade in type of powerplant, the airframe changes. Planes pretty much had the same look during WWI and WW2...round fuselage, radial engines in most cases. What changed was the materials (wood to metal). After the War we see the Jet engine, and the shape of the airframe changed into the moor tapered and curvy design we know today. I think planes will continue to look the same until the next giant upgrade in engine types (I'm guessing that will be scramjets?) That will call for a new shape and new design that will look different from anything we have ever seen before.
Until that time, expect a lot of aircraft that look similar to the 787. The A350 is already reflecting this. I am sure the 737-RS will look a lot like a scaled down 787. And the Y3 will look like a scaled up 787. Fine by me, it looks nice and it is saving money.

What I want to see in the next aircraft that Boeing builds is a "Green Aircraft" something that is super-efficient and environmentally friendly. Who cares if it looks boring, if it is saving the airlines money and not polluting the atmosphere, then it is beautiful in my book.

[Edited 2007-06-29 05:45:20]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-29 05:54:47 and read 118268 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 398):
So what has been the most viewed thread so far, AirTran717?

I think the never ending If A Plane Took Off A Conveyor Belt... (by Sovietjet Nov 29 2005 in Tech Ops) plane-on-a-treadmill holds the record as far as I know. Thats definately a good read...
 Smile

iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: NAV20
Posted 2007-06-29 06:11:57 and read 118102 times.

Sure, Iwok, you're probably right in terms of number of posts. But I asked about 'most viewed.' 22,634 for the 'treadmill,' over 173,000 so far for this one. I rather thinking that SEAchaz (although it wasn't his intention) has well and truly put A.net 'on the map,' if it wasn't there already.  Smile

Even 'the new Randy' seems to be a trifle pissed-off by the advance publicity, judging by this  Smile:-

"The July 8 event is going to be the kind of celebration you don’t see every day. Emcee of the Premiere will be U.S. broadcaster and author Tom Brokaw. Brokaw will share the stage with Boeing Chairman, President and CEO Jim McNerney, Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Scott Carson, and 787 Program Vice President and General Manager Mike Bair.

"Some of you may have already gotten a “sneak preview” of what’s to come. But I guarantee you’ll want to stick around for the big event on the 8th of July. As they say: “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”


http://boeingblogs.com/randy/

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Da man
Posted 2007-06-29 06:16:19 and read 118041 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 406):
Sure, Iwok, you're probably right in terms of number of posts. But I asked about 'most viewed.' 22,634 for the 'treadmill,' over 173,000 so far for this one.

In terms of views, I think this one takes the proverbial cake, but in terms of posts, I think the Superthread (for those who are old enough to remember  old  ) in NonAv wins that argument. (I'm too lazy to find the link for it.)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: StarGoldLHR
Posted 2007-06-29 09:57:43 and read 116757 times.

Looks like just another 767 to me ?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Da man
Posted 2007-06-29 13:46:42 and read 115556 times.

Quoting Da man (Reply 407):
In terms of views, I think this one takes the proverbial cake, but in terms of posts, I think the Superthread (for those who are old enough to remember old ) in NonAv wins that argument. (I'm too lazy to find the link for it.)

Well, I found the link to the SuperThread and it is newer than I thought (January 2006).
CAUTION: 2700+ posts and the thread has crashed computers on a dial-up connection

The Official SuperThread... (by Btriple7 Jan 2 2006 in Non Aviation)

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2007-06-29 14:14:07 and read 115251 times.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 408):
Looks like just another 767 to me ?

Remember, this is the 787. You're not allowed to say anything negative. wink 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-29 15:25:19 and read 114537 times.

You have to look close sometimes to see differences, but not so much on the 787. Yeah you can look at it for two seconds and say looks like another widebody, twin engine, boring aircraft again. But really look at all of the stuff that has been pointed out in this thread and you will see the differences.

I think the only time we are going to have trouble is when the A350 is unveiled, as that so far looks like it will be a 787 clone!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Olle
Posted 2007-06-29 15:33:22 and read 114423 times.

Congratulations for Boeing!!!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Iwok
Posted 2007-06-29 17:09:39 and read 113248 times.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 406):
Sure, Iwok, you're probably right in terms of number of posts. But I asked about 'most viewed.' 22,634 for the 'treadmill,' over 173,000 so far for this one. I rather thinking that SEAchaz (although it wasn't his intention) has well and truly put A.net 'on the map,' if it wasn't there already.   :-

In terms of views, I have no idea how to check out which is the viewed King. Ideas anyone? I think you are correct that we had lots of visitors popping in on this thread, and I'd bet that many of them are from Toulouse  Wink

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 406):
Even 'the new Randy' seems to be a trifle pissed-off by the advance publicity, judging by this  :-

Next time, I suggest wrapping up the whole plane when leaving the building.

iwok

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-06-29 18:55:09 and read 112037 times.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 410):
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 408):
Looks like just another 767 to me ?

Remember, this is the 787. You're not allowed to say anything negative.

[sarcasm] Thank you for understanding us Americans and our stubborn pride! [/sarcasm]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ORDFan
Posted 2007-06-30 08:37:58 and read 107263 times.

Wow, she looks beautiful. The 787 is in a tight race with the 777 to be my favorite airliner (though I do have a soft spot for those A345s too). I will have to see how she looks all dolled up. Those photos are what made me want to become a member!!

Anyway, don't shoot the new guy, but I just figured I'd ask in case someone comes across this post down here: when is 787 going to be added to the aircraft type drop down menu on the photo search page?? I know a few other people have asked on some other threads as well, but I haven't come across any definitive answers. I think those pics more than warrant it. If I remember correctly, the A380 was added with just a few shots of the fuselage on a barge. Not to trying to instigate anything, I'm just tired of going to this thread every time to look at the pics or show them to people. Crewmembers: Feel free to PM me. Thanks.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Wolbo
Posted 2007-06-30 11:02:53 and read 106818 times.

Looks wise I give it about 7 out of 10.

The front view looks great with what seems to be very thin wings. The rear view is not distinctive at all, just another widebody from that angle. The cockpit is a blend between a Caravelle and an Embrear. It looks a bit stumped as if it bumped into a wall but it's growing on me and together with the over dimensioned engines it's probably the most identifiable visual characteristic of the 787.

All in all it looks powerful, modern and dynamic but it's too stubby and doesn' quite have the dimensions to be considered elegant. A slight disappointment.

Great scoop SEAchaz!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Farrhad
Posted 2007-06-30 11:07:36 and read 106798 times.

Awesome shots keep it up
my heart races even though she's not yet painted

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Airevents
Posted 2007-06-30 13:53:28 and read 106301 times.

If I were an airline, I would immediately order some of these... Beautiful!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: KSUpilot
Posted 2007-06-30 22:11:37 and read 104219 times.

Quoting Airevents (Reply 418):
If I were an airline, I would immediately order some of these... Beautiful!

I agree. I'm thinking the orders will flood in after the official unveiling.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2007-06-30 22:23:05 and read 104128 times.

Looks a bit like a narrowbody on steroids in my opinion.....

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Elvis777
Posted 2007-06-30 22:38:01 and read 104043 times.

Scbriml,

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 410):
Remember, this is the 787. You're not allowed to say anything negative.

You are definitely mistaken. All things good and bad should be talked about regardless of the manufacturer. I have been promulgating that idea and if I recall correctly you are one of the folks that complain about eads bashing whenever an issue that points even a bad light at eads arises. Care for a refresher? Check out the posts regarding the possibility of Air Berlin ordering 350v3.

In any case why whine. You can call this the mini whalejet or the pig or what have you. I don’t care but I will tell you that if someone "How many orders does the mini whalejet have?" I wont post a stupid response saying "I don’t know of any minwhalejet. Do you?'......

So have a coke and a smile and talk about whatever you want. I promise I wont question your bonafides as a "True Aviation Fan".  Smile


Peace

Elvis777

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: RJ777
Posted 2007-06-30 23:44:36 and read 103720 times.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 408):
Looks like just another 767 to me ?

Uh.............. Check out the difference in the cockpit design in any 767 Photo in the database.
Actually, it looks like the offspring of a 767 and a 777.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: MCIGuy
Posted 2007-07-01 23:25:34 and read 100098 times.

Quoting RJ777 (Reply 422):
Uh.............. Check out the difference in the cockpit design in any 767 Photo in the database.
Actually, it looks like the offspring of a 767 and a 777.

A twin is not a twin, is not a twin, IMO. The fuse width looks more like a 777 to me, I guess because of the size of the engines and of course, it is substantially wider than a 767, albeit not as wide as a 777. I find the nose very distinct, it's very streamlined compared to other designs and the point of attack (nose) has obviously been moved down. The windshield is at the same angle as the surrounding fuselage and this is a big departure from the old "section 41". Like I said before, the vertical stab isn't the "shark fin", but it is suggestive of it and it is unique. I forgot who, but a Boeing rep said that a 787 will have an unmistakeable distinct look and he was right.  

Edit: Only one week to go till we see her in all her shiny, painted glory!  spin 

[Edited 2007-07-01 23:30:25]

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: JAL
Posted 2007-07-01 23:34:34 and read 100028 times.

Great shots buddy!

Remind me again, who's the launch customer? Is it ANA?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Argonaut
Posted 2007-07-02 02:11:58 and read 99390 times.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 408):
Looks like just another 767 to me ?

Welcome to my respected users list!  checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: ZKSUJ
Posted 2007-07-02 02:26:11 and read 99280 times.

Great pics, thanks for showing it to us.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Mika
Posted 2007-07-02 12:01:14 and read 97308 times.

Wow, it really looks like a mini version of the A380 to me..the same chubbiness is prevalent.



Great to finally see the complete 787 product, thanks for sharing those pics!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2007-07-02 14:11:18 and read 96650 times.

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 414):
[sarcasm] Thank you for understanding us Americans and our stubborn pride! [/sarcasm]

It seems you missed my  wink , or did you leave out "and not having a sense of humour" in your post? smile 

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 421):
You are definitely mistaken.

Spoken in jest, hence the wink.

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 421):
All things good and bad should be talked about regardless of the manufacturer. I have been promulgating that idea and if I recall correctly you are one of the folks that complain about eads bashing whenever an issue that points even a bad light at eads arises.

I agree. What frustrates me is the endless reinforcement of certain a.net myths that are patently untrue. You know the "Airbus cheats when counting orders", "Airbus counts orders twice", "Airbus doesn't remove cancelled orders from its books" type of things.

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 421):
Care for a refresher? Check out the posts regarding the possibility of Air Berlin ordering 350v3.

I'm pretty sure I didn't post in that thread.
Air Berlin To Order 50 A330/350 (by Flying-Tiger Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 421):
In any case why whine.

I much prefer it without the H. wink 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my first flight on a 787. yes 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2007-07-02 16:32:13 and read 95472 times.

It would look better when in Dreamliner colours.Just a little wait. Smile
regds
MEL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Luxair
Posted 2007-07-02 16:46:05 and read 95296 times.

Honestly, nice aircraft but definitively not WoW...was expecting to see a more spectacular aircraft...that said...well I like the engines...yeahh they are huge...thats all!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2007-07-02 17:41:37 and read 94746 times.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 428):
Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 414):
[sarcasm] Thank you for understanding us Americans and our stubborn pride! [/sarcasm]

It seems you missed my , or did you leave out "and not having a sense of humour" in your post?

I apologize if my message was not understood. I knew that you were being sarcastic, and I was playing off your joke. I think it's funny how some folks on this forum bet so defensive of the manufacturer from their own country. I love Boeing, I've been a fan since I was a small child. However, I want to see Airbus be successful, the competition is healthy and I'm not the kind to defend everything Boeing does and condone everything Airbus does. I was just poking fun at the people here who do.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2007-07-02 17:51:14 and read 94648 times.

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 431):
I apologize if my message was not understood. I knew that you were being sarcastic, and I was playing off your joke.

OK, sorry I didn't pick that up. blush 

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-07-02 19:49:13 and read 94199 times.

Approaching 200,000 views for this thread!!!

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-07-03 17:47:10 and read 90554 times.

Is there any word that it may be rolled out of paint at some point and to another area for the official rollout?

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HB88
Posted 2007-07-03 19:54:31 and read 89759 times.

Great pics. It sure does look like a pimped up 767 though - that stubby fuse and pouty-nosed look. Not quite as elegant as I thought it would be but I think more oblique shots which include the wing plan-form will be quite nice.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Peh
Posted 2007-07-04 11:12:57 and read 87063 times.

Hey mate, did you sell your photo to Associated Press? If not, I think they've pinched it.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/boei...-jet/2007/07/04/1183351269786.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2007-07-04 11:34:20 and read 86968 times.

Loking forward to the 7th.
regds
MEL

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: DTW757
Posted 2007-07-04 12:39:56 and read 86790 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 437):
Loking forward to the 7th.

Better hold your excitement until the 8th  Wink

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Lexer
Posted 2007-07-04 13:36:15 and read 86621 times.

Elegant little flyer that, I luuuv the long clean wings. I have a crush on the the 777 and A332 for their wings too

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: IAHFLYER
Posted 2007-07-04 16:05:33 and read 86181 times.

Quoting Peh (Reply 436):
Hey mate, did you sell your photo to Associated Press? If not, I think they've pinched it

SEAchaz, I do believe as well they pinched your pic. Good spooting on the photos.

Peh good job at finding the photo's elsewhere.

Topic: RE: First 787 Has Left The Building! Photos
Username: Kuna
Posted 2007-07-04 17:48:02 and read 85670 times.

Quote:
A Boeing 787 Dreamliner coming out of Boeing's Everett Assembly Line in Washington.
Photo: AP

Now that is so wrong on so many different levels. Unless SEAchaz you work for the AP, they have no right to put that the photo was taken by them.


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