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Topic: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2007-08-25 21:51:01 and read 22595 times.

I find this picture, posted today, of a Tupolev 144D simply stunning !


This unfortunate legendary supersonic aircraft seems brand new, with this immaculate new paint and beautiful restoration.
Seems like she is being prepared for a commercial flight ...

When you look at the pictures of the same aircraft, taken in the past years, you realize the amazing job that what done on this beauty !


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Congratulations to the Staff who did it !



This Ty-144D CCCP-77115 is the very last of all the 16 Ty-144 built :

1 Prototype Ty-144 CCCP-68001
1 Pre-production Ty-144S CCCP-77101
9 Ty-144S CCCP-77102 to CCCP-7110
5 upgraded "last generation" Ty-144D CCCP-77111 to CCCP-77115

77115 never operated any commercial flight, and never even flew over Mach 1 during the test flights.

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Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Cedarjet
Posted 2007-08-25 23:12:35 and read 22382 times.

I just bought a book online called Soviet SST, it is FASCINATING. Look for it (and any other long lost aviation classic you've been missing all these years) at http://www.abebooks.com

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Nautilusgr
Posted 2007-08-25 23:18:50 and read 22346 times.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):

Indeed. I had the same feeling. Very nice work to retain the old soviet livery

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: NG1Fan
Posted 2007-08-25 23:26:36 and read 22302 times.

This pic was taken at the AviaMAKS and unfortunately, she won't fly - any further than her new stand at a museum complex in Zhukovsky.

Near the aircraft were detailed pictures about the operation. Apparently, CCCP 77115 will grace the gate complex into the compound. Remarkable operation since any traffic into the complex will actually pass under the aircraft.
Here is my pic of this beauty.

When they were taken, some Chinese military types were milling around and one even waved his cap from the open cockpit window.

NG1Fan
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Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: UK_Dispatcher
Posted 2007-08-25 23:39:59 and read 22234 times.

What happened to the one which was jointly used by NASA and Tupolev for testing a few years ago? Is it still airworthy?

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: NG1Fan
Posted 2007-08-25 23:53:03 and read 22165 times.

If this is the said bird, RA 77114, sporting USA flag and the Russian Tricolour.

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Looks grubby compared to CCCP77115, but no idea if it is airworthy.

NG1Fan

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: SIBILLE
Posted 2007-08-26 01:30:20 and read 21963 times.

Seems one of them could fly again......

Tupolev Tu-144 Saved? Need Translation! (by SIBILLE May 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Flyingchoirboy
Posted 2007-08-26 03:08:44 and read 21720 times.

Definitely a gorgeous aircraft. This photo is my current background  Smile

Scott

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: AerLingusA330
Posted 2007-08-26 08:30:35 and read 19325 times.

Do the Russians ever come up with their own designs for their aircraft? Just about every aircraft Tupolev has manufactured has resembled either an Airbus or Boeing, with the exception of this aircraft and the Concorde.


Thoughts?

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: SIBILLE
Posted 2007-08-26 09:38:25 and read 18923 times.

Russian have a very specific design. Tupolev for instance with it's special main undercarriage on the wings (except Tu-204), glazed navigator position on some Tu-134..... Find the same from the west! It's not because two aircrafts have similar appearance (with at least two wings  Silly ) that one of them is a copy of the other one.
Nobody told Ba-146 is a Il-76 copy......

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2007-08-26 10:38:42 and read 18469 times.

We can see on these pictures that the two side "canards" are extended.
They were not, on the oldest pictures when this poor 77115 was slowly falling appart in a field.

My question is : How were the canards extended ? was it done "manually" or is the hydraulic system still operating ?

For all of you interested in the Ty-144 history, read the excellent tribute posted by fellow A.Netter WINGS a few months ago :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3033740/

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Flanker
Posted 2007-08-26 18:19:51 and read 14722 times.

These are beautifull birds! I have never seen one in person, but i would love to one day.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2007-08-26 18:55:55 and read 14346 times.

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 8):
Do the Russians ever come up with their own designs for their aircraft? Just about every aircraft Tupolev has manufactured has resembled either an Airbus or Boeing, with the exception of this aircraft and the Concorde.

A lot of the Soviet designed commercial aircraft was a sort of "counterpart" from a western airliner ... with surprising similarities :

DH Comet / Tu 104 :

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Caravelle / Tu 134 :

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VC10 / Il62 :

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B727 / Tu 154 :

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A321 / Tu 204

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Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-08-26 19:13:38 and read 14140 times.

When I saw the TU-204 I thought right away ''A320'' !!! Anyway who cares even if they did copy it. Sometimes they look better. I think the IL62 looks better than the VC-10 .

Anyway re Concordski , It does indeed look very nice and would be great to see it fly again. Would be ironic that Concorde will never fly again but the TU144 might. Im sure there is some Russian millionaire that could get it off the ground again!!!

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlyUSCG
Posted 2007-08-26 19:41:36 and read 13850 times.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
My question is : How were the canards extended ? was it done "manually" or is the hydraulic system still operating ?

Probably just done manually. You don't usually need systems working to move stuff like that (if the plane is decomissioned that is). Since it's not airworthy, they probabaly just disconnect some lines and cables and move them out.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2007-08-26 19:55:50 and read 13692 times.

I was on board TU144 at LBG for a tour the day before she crashed. I will always remember going up the steps and going inside that strange beast. She had her whiskers deployed.

I had been on board the Concorde prototype f-wtss during that air show too. I had a strange feeling about the TU-144. I had no idea what it was but it was strange. Maybe an intuition.

I was at the air show again that Sunday with an invitation. My (long gone) father had VVIP access. That was in June 1973. I will always remember these air shows in 1971 and 1973 among many others, 1969 as well. I went to every air show in style during those years.

The two aircrafts were the stars of the show. Concorde went up first. The TU was due to go next. Concorde did a brilliant I would even say spectacular flight demo I think André Turcat was at the helm. The weather was perfect.

TU took off right after Concorde had completed her flight. The TU demo ended by a low pass facing the crowd. She then aligned with the runway for landing but it looked as she had gone on the wrong runway as she had made a steep right turn for a second pass facing the crowd. I could not really understand what was going on. I had full views on the runways from where we were seated. Then she went up incredibly fast, too fast maybe. She kept going up indefinitely, at some point the TU banked and fell down sharply with the nose down. There was an explosion too far for me to see and the TU crashed.

All crew members on board died as well as some people from the town. Some others were badly injured. She crashed on houses, some cut in half, and a school.

A Dassault business jet had a near crash the day before.

I will never have a good feeling toward the TU144.  Sad

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Andz
Posted 2007-08-26 20:03:55 and read 13607 times.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 4):
What happened to the one which was jointly used by NASA and Tupolev for testing a few years ago?

Check this landing!

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: MX77W
Posted 2007-08-26 20:13:22 and read 13518 times.

Does anyone know which commercial routes, if any, the Ty144 used to fly?

MX 77W

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Tu204
Posted 2007-08-26 20:21:28 and read 13427 times.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 14):
Probably just done manually. You don't usually need systems working to move stuff like that (if the plane is decomissioned that is). Since it's not airworthy, they probabaly just disconnect some lines and cables and move them out.

Nope, an ground APU was hooked up and the hydraulics were operated. On the 144 it is VERY tricky to extend the canards manually. You have to take alot of things apart. And you are right, the aircraft is decomissioned, however all of it's equipment is still present, except the APU, which was removed to be placed onto another aircraft last year.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2007-08-26 20:49:06 and read 13153 times.

Quoting MX77W (Reply 17):
Does anyone know which commercial routes, if any, the Ty144 used to fly?

TU144 opped scheduled service from Moscow to Khabarovsk & Almaty (Alma Ata).

After the initial retirement, it opped several commercial charters to Crimea as well.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2007-08-27 18:22:23 and read 12185 times.

Quoting MX77W (Reply 17):
Does anyone know which commercial routes, if any, the Ty144 used to fly?

Starting December 26th 1975, the Ty-144 was used to carry mail on the route Moscow - Alma Ata.
Passenger flights started on the same route on November 1st 1977.
All Ty-144 flights were stopped by June 1978 after the crash of plane TU-144D number 06-2, registered CCCP-77111 on May 23rd 1978. A total number of only 102 flights (mail + PAX) were operated during this period.

[Edited 2007-08-27 18:53:43]

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Tu204
Posted 2007-08-31 03:12:17 and read 11452 times.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 20):
All Ty-144 flights were stopped by June 1978 after the crash of plane TU-144D number 06-2, registered CCCP-77111 on May 23rd 1978.

And that crash was only due to the incompetence of the flight engineer on that flight.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Koruman
Posted 2007-08-31 03:53:31 and read 11388 times.

Tu-204, this is probably only a fantasy, but given that Russia is flexing its muscles again in the world and that, ahem, citizens' rights are not exactly respected the way they are in the west, could ships 15 and the LL not be made airworthy as VIP transport for Putin and his successors?

Plus, of course, the Tu-144 is probably the USSR's greatest technological achievement, even though it was a market failure. Are you sure that for the occasional flight people would be upset by the noise, as opposed to excited by the spectacle?

Can you imagine the stir if the President of Russia were to arrive at an international meeting in an SST?

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Yyz717
Posted 2007-08-31 05:36:34 and read 11294 times.

Why was the TU-144 re-designed so drastically after the initial prototype? Did the prototype perform very poorly?

Also, did the TU-144 ever fly to the UK or the Americas? I think the answer is no.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Tu204
Posted 2007-08-31 05:53:24 and read 11268 times.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 22):
Tu-204, this is probably only a fantasy, but given that Russia is flexing its muscles again in the world and that, ahem, citizens' rights are not exactly respected the way they are in the west, could ships 15 and the LL not be made airworthy as VIP transport for Putin and his successors?

Plus, of course, the Tu-144 is probably the USSR's greatest technological achievement, even though it was a market failure. Are you sure that for the occasional flight people would be upset by the noise, as opposed to excited by the spectacle?

Can you imagine the stir if the President of Russia were to arrive at an international meeting in an SST?

Well, the way I see it, the only way of it flying is if a Russian oligarch with a passion for aviation buys it. Maybe Abramovich would like a plane he can use to get from his job as governor of Kamchatka to his Chelsea football matches on time  Wink Putin is very happy with his 2 IL-96's - usually heads of state prefer larger, roomier a/c. The 144 has the same cabin width as a DC-9 and is kind of noisy in flight (inside).
I completely agree with you that a flying 144 would be quite the spectacle, and I would love to see her fly. If I had $100 million, I'd gladly make it my VIP plane.
Ship 15 is pretty much airworthy. The only thing it needs is an APU. And those share commonality with the APU's on the Tu-154 (thats where ship 15's APU is btw.) So, smack in a new APU and technically - its flyable. It would still require a C check due to it not flying for so long. But most of the parts are still produced for the Tu-160 anyways.
Restoring it completely would cost about three times as much as much as was spent to rescue it from the choppers. (Estimates of a Tupolev engineer that was head of restoring the 144 ship 15)
Ship 14 (the NASA ship) is in worse shape and is nowhere near airworthy - most her avionics were pulled, the engines that were on lease from the Russian Airforce went back to them and are now on one of the Tu-160's. Not saying it's undoable - there are 8 D-36'ers in one of the hangars at Tupolev (the 4 from 14 and 4 from the Tu-144 at Sinsheim). The avionics are in crates in the same hangar.
But without support of someone big shelling out money, it would be impossible to get 15 flying - people have a tendancy to support something, but when it comes to actually putting money towards your cause, the interest fades, or people just wish you good luck. I have had alot of experience with that: first with trying to get people to help out with saving ship 15, and then for donations to restore the Tu-144 in Monino. Lets put it this way, it ended up with me shelling out $900 towards 15 (a tiny share of what was needed to save her, but all I could afford at the time, quite ironicly, that was my Tupolev bonus going back to Tupolev to save their plane  Smile ) and I bought the paint for the 144 in Monino with my own money (you don't want to know how much that cost Big grin ) I ended up loosing a couple of friends that were "all talk" so to say. I actually ended up making !enemies! at Monino for buying the bloody paint. They have cliques there - who is restoring what aircraft, who is project leader for what aircraft. People treat the aircraft that they are restoring like their own personal property. My approach - who cares? I am trying to help preserve aviation in general. If I can do something, give some of my hard earned money towards a plane that I like - the 144, why not? I shouldn't have to put up with an unnamed individual that is restoring the IL-18 at Monino approach me and say "Well, you know, the IL-18 could also use some new paint, and since you just bought an X-number of liters for the 144, why don't you give me some money for the IL-18 aswell?" in an agressive tone. But for some reason I still go on, still ignore these people that throw sticks in my wheels. I am not saying that all people are like that...but quite a few are. And if Pavel Petrikeev or Alexei Amelyushkin is reading this, hats off to you and your effort - I hope that I meet more people like you.
Sorry for the rant.
P.S. If anyone wants pictures of the interior of the Tu-144 ship 15 or the one at Monino, please IM me, I'd be glad to share.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2007-08-31 17:06:25 and read 11089 times.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 23):
Why was the TU-144 re-designed so drastically after the initial prototype? Did the prototype perform very poorly?

You answered the question in your own question ...

The Russians hurried the first flight, to be the first ones to fly a civil supersonic airplane. In December 1968, the aircraft was simply not ready.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Columba
Posted 2007-08-31 21:09:28 and read 10947 times.

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 8):
Do the Russians ever come up with their own designs for their aircraft? Just about every aircraft Tupolev has manufactured has resembled either an Airbus or Boeing, with the exception of this aircraft and the Concorde.

It is hard to come up with a completely new design, an aircraft developed for a certain mission has to have certain features.
Although they look similar the 727 and TU 154 or Dc 9 and Tu 134 are different in many ways.
But I believe to have read that the Tu 144 is indeed a copy of the Concorde and that some plans were stolen out of a safe. This is why the Tu 144 resembles first plans of the Concorde.

Topic: RE: Stunning Ty-144 Seems Ready To Fly!
Username: Caspritz78
Posted 2007-09-01 23:47:22 and read 10689 times.

Quoting Columba (Reply 26):
It is hard to come up with a completely new design, an aircraft developed for a certain mission has to have certain features.

If you do serious aviation engineering you will end up with the same designs when given certain objectives. Of course there was espionage but I really think both the western and soviet/russian aircraft designers had pretty much the same knowledge at any given time and it is no wonder that the ended up with pretty similar designs.

Somehow I still think it is a pity that supersonic travel was never a mainstream. Still wonder how the 70s would have been if all the airliners that wanted to buy the Concord actually had done so.


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