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Topic: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: 777way
Posted 2007-10-07 08:17:54 and read 4044 times.

UKIA - UK International Airlines, a company created by Pakistani immigrant community will begin sservcie on 19 October routed Nottingham(EMA)-Sharjah-Islamabad with 767-200, they also plan to link ISB with Gatwick and Manchester later on as well as increase frequency to thrice weekly on the service from EMA.

Also plan to serve Africa with Gambia http://www.ukinternationalairlines.com

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Reggaebird
Posted 2007-10-07 08:33:11 and read 4044 times.

Is this an airline that is focused on a specific ethnic group? I am also interested in the mix of destinations. What ties those destinations together? How does that fit into the business model? Anyone know?

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2007-10-07 08:38:47 and read 4044 times.

£390rtn for East Midlands to Islamabad... not too bad. I wonder how much their fares are to the UAE, if they are similar to £390 GBP then I can't see them selling many tickets. Twice weekly flights to begin with, might just have to try them out soon if fares are reasonable.

Also - it's about time that they announced this, taken them months since receiving the first aircraft!


Dan  Smile

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-10-07 08:55:48 and read 4044 times.

Another one ? Yeah well, we'll all hold our breath for them to start service shall we ? My bet is this carrier is a fairly crummy website and little else.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2007-10-07 09:00:26 and read 4044 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
My bet is this carrier is a fairly crummy website and little else.

They received a 762 a few months ago already and painted it - in a horrible livery if i may add - so it may very well get off the ground. The question is how long for.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Babybus
Posted 2007-10-07 09:03:23 and read 4044 times.

Just sounds like someone had a really bad idea for an airline. Can't see how an airline like that can have a future.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2007-10-07 09:06:56 and read 4044 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
Another one ? Yeah well, we'll all hold our breath for them to start service shall we ? My bet is this carrier is a fairly crummy website and little else.

They have already - I posted a thread about them a month ago and somebody replied that they have been flying on ad hoc charter work over the summer. My main impetus for flying them is to get on the non ER 767-200... but their rather lapse site simply says that all flights to Sharjah are full for the next months... now I really doubt that is the case!


Dan Smile

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: BY738
Posted 2007-10-07 09:08:56 and read 4044 times.

All seems ready to go- I wouldnt put them down just yet. The founders have strong local business knowledge and they already have ambitious expansion plans. They are very focussed on a specific ethinc market though which Im not sure is a very good policy. Im not interested in Bollywood inflight entertaunment and pure Pakistan cuisine. Oh well- im sure all will be revealed and time will tell.....

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2007-10-07 09:09:47 and read 4044 times.

It certainly looks like JGP's school project. And I think the purple ensures the coursework gets an E.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: EXTspotter
Posted 2007-10-07 09:12:57 and read 4044 times.

They bought ex UA 762 STDs (cheap) and have a cheap looking website and corporate image and are charging that much. It won't last.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2007-10-07 09:17:23 and read 4044 times.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 7):
Im not interested in Bollywood inflight entertaunment

When I flew AI LHR-BOM (B744; 7 1/2 hours) a couple of years ago they - obviously - played Bollywood movies. That per se wasn't bad. What was most annoying was that they kept changing it every 20 or 30 minutes! The Kenyan Indian girl sat next to me was getting irritated.  Wink

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Soups
Posted 2007-10-07 09:39:39 and read 4044 times.

a friend of mine works cabin crew for them, they been flying out of paris recently for charters

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-10-07 10:26:54 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
It certainly looks like JGP's school project

I deny everything - I would never put such an ugly c/s on an aircraft. They may be running charters right now, but actual scheduled service, I have my doubts. They claim on their website to have "commissioned" a res system, but so far I don't see any IATA carrier code or ticketing prefix. Until they start to publish schedules with GDS's and OAG, I'm not convinced they'll ever go beyond a paper carrier.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Humberside
Posted 2007-10-07 13:05:26 and read 4044 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 12):
I'm not convinced they'll ever go beyond a paper carrier.

They have an aircraft and AOC

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: MainMAN
Posted 2007-10-07 13:07:45 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
Just sounds like someone had a really bad idea for an airline. Can't see how an airline like that can have a future.

East Midlands to Islamabad?! That's got to be a winner but I would rather have thought that EMA to northern India would have been even more popular.

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 1):
What ties those destinations together? How does that fit into the business model? Anyone know?

Nothing ties those destinations together, with the exception of a great deal of demand to Pakistan and Banjul. At present, only Astraeus fly to the Gambia from the UK (and charters)

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: BY738
Posted 2007-10-07 13:13:43 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 1):
What ties those destinations together

Theres a lot of immigration and migration patterns amongst those destinations also, so I bet there will be a lot of one way tickets sold.....

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Jmc757
Posted 2007-10-07 13:22:57 and read 4044 times.

Don't expect an online booking system or be able to walk into any travel agent and be able to book tickets anytime soon. The large Asian communities that are the target audience of UKIA are very close communities, where people will shop in local shops, and book travel through local travel agents etc. UKIA have appointed a number of agents within Asian communities to sell their tickets. A little unusual in the airline world perhaps, but do not underestimate the power of the communities. It has been done before with success, Flyjet and Air Slovakia flights to India from BHX were sold this way through travel agents.

Everyone seems to want to knock UKIA, but they have come a lot further than many other so called airlines. Time will tell if their business plan is fool proof or not.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-10-07 13:41:02 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 16):
book travel through local travel agents etc. UKIA have appointed a number of agents within Asian communities to sell their tickets. A little unusual in the airline world perhaps, but do not underestimate the power of the communities. It has been done before with success, Flyjet and Air Slovakia flights to India from BHX were sold this way through travel agents.

But how ? Are they going to install direct connections to their (currently it would seem, non-existent) reservations system to enable these agents to book ? Why would they want to restrict themselves in this way ? Why not make themselves available through any travel agent, via IATA like a normal "proper" airline ? This hole-in-the-wall bucket-shop approach is not the way to instill confidence in the general travelling public, that's for sure.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Jmc757
Posted 2007-10-07 13:57:44 and read 4044 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):
But how ? Are they going to install direct connections to their (currently it would seem, non-existent) reservations system to enable these agents to book ? Why would they want to restrict themselves in this way ? Why not make themselves available through any travel agent, via IATA like a normal "proper" airline ? This hole-in-the-wall bucket-shop approach is not the way to instill confidence in the general travelling public, that's for sure.

I don't know on the actual logistics of the ticketing system. But the main reason to do it must be cost based. Getting on IATA, Amadeus etc will be very expensive. Like I said, its been done before, and succesfully. Turkmenistan and Air Slovakia from BHX did it, and a Birmingham travel agent chartered Flyjet for a series of flights. There were also services from EMA with Monarch, again only available from travel agents in Asian communities. It may seem odd or strange to you or me, but the target customers in close Asian communities will be aware of the service, and be aware of where they can book...

I don't see how they are not a "proper" airline just because they are not on IATA?! I'm sure people were sceptical when easyJet started and were only selling seats through their own call centre...

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: BOSSAN
Posted 2007-10-07 14:04:48 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
Just sounds like someone had a really bad idea for an airline. Can't see how an airline like that can have a future.

Could be worse!

http://smintair.com/
http://flyfirstclass.biz/
http://www.hootersair.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VG_Airlines

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-10-07 14:11:59 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 18):
I don't see how they are not a "proper" airline just because they are not on IATA?! I'm sure people were sceptical when easyJet started and were only selling seats through their own call centre...

Easyjet was at least CAA/ATOL certified in case of failure, and was in any case from day 1 a low-cost carrier, operating within Europe only. These guys are promoting themselves as a sort of "Asianised" (whatever that means) full-service carrier. Seems a bit precious and exclusive (in a negative, insular way) to market only through "Asian" travel agencies. I for one would not buy a ticket from a carrier that is not at least IATA certified - what protection or guarantee do you have otherwise ? If they're really serious, about expanding as they describe on their website, this limited and disturbingly parochial marketing strategy will not be enough.

P.S. Turkmenistan Airways services from BHX (and everywhere else) are available via GDS's. They may choose also to sell via bucket shops, if that is the market they are after, but they don't restrict themselves to this channel only.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Scrumpy492003
Posted 2007-10-07 20:35:19 and read 4044 times.

Perhaps much of the money that is backing this Airline is coming from the Pakistani Community from around the World.
The UK name and Certification could be for convenience only as well as being an apparant UK International Airline which looks good around the World - on paper. Look at how many airlines are banned from entering Europe etc. due to poor maintenance and safety records.

They are looking at a specific market, at a market perhaps that feels it has been "abused racially" by other airline staff. It only has to be perceived not proven, BUT word gets around faster than news of good service ever will.

13 years ago I remember flying Club Air out of YYC for Gatwick. they only had a couple of aircraft, high density 747's, flew in Canada during one season and for the Hadj for the other season. That was only a niche market also, BUT they needed a couple more aircraft because of engine changes creating havoc with schedules.

So,
IF this Airline feels that money is no problem, and their flights just MAY be booked up for a while, and they can cope with minor fleet "emergencies" that will put an aircraft out of commission for a few days etc. throwing the schedules up in the air, and IF their clientele don't mind that,

then

Good Luck to them.

Peter

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2007-10-08 05:40:22 and read 4044 times.

Well, I just phoned the appointed travel agency in Birmingham up, to get a quote for a return flight from EMA to Sharjah. Initially it was £489rtn, then it dropped to £409rtn - possibly because I said I was a student. That's very steep - other fares I've been looking at for exactly the same dates (2-7th November) are much less; £350rtn with EK direct from BHX and even less from the London airports. The flights are apparently not full at all, not overly surprised either at that price, but he said he'd try and find a better quote and call me back in a bit... so I shall see!


Dan Smile

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: 777way
Posted 2007-10-08 05:50:26 and read 4044 times.

Also plan Saudi Arabia with Hajj and Umra package tours.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
Just sounds like someone had a really bad idea for an airline. Can't see how an airline like that can have a future.

More so the fact that it represents Britain which has the likes of BA, VS and BD, quite insulting.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: 9V-SPI
Posted 2007-10-08 08:05:04 and read 4044 times.

I've been looking forward to this new airline finally getting off the ground - its been a long time coming. Whenever I've been at East Midlands Airport the same aircraft G-CECU has been parked in the exact same spot everytime, once it even had the doors opened.

As I'd not seen it move I even asked someone at the airport if they'd ceased training already. They said it had been doing training flights from EMA and was due to get off the ground on a scheduled service soon and a second aircraft was on its way (not sure where from). Great to see its later on this month - just hope it lasts as whenever a carrier says it is starting something from the airport (mainly longhaul flights) it either never gets off the ground or very soon after the service is started it is stopped due to lack of demand.

With regards to the comments about the schedules - does anyone know what the times for it are? I've checked on amadeus and travelwise and neither have their flights loaded.

Mark

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: 777way
Posted 2007-10-08 08:18:39 and read 4044 times.

Quoting Scrumpy492003 (Reply 21):
Perhaps much of the money that is backing this Airline is coming from the Pakistani Community from around the World.

I doubt it, its only a UK concern thats set it up to cater to a niche market, Pakistani immigrants elsewhere are least interested in setting up or supporting such enterprises.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Soups
Posted 2007-10-08 08:55:59 and read 4044 times.

EMA-ATQ would have been a better option with normanton area(Derby), Belgrave (Leicester) nearby.

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: AlanUK
Posted 2007-10-08 09:26:33 and read 4044 times.

Everything about this "airline" looks cheap... the website to start with (flashy, tacky and confusing), the livery, the logo etc.

If they do launch, I can't see them lasting very long... but maybe it's a challenge for the boss.

And is that an ex-United interior I see? Oh dear...

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2007-10-08 09:33:07 and read 4046 times.

"Within months, bigger and better aircraft are to be introduced on UKIA route network."

I wonder what they have in mind?

I have no problem with the concept of the airline, though they could have picked a more memorable name!

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: AlanUK
Posted 2007-10-08 09:45:40 and read 4044 times.

Quote from the website

"policy on board throughout it's network."

English grammar obviously isn't their speciality!

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: Vasu
Posted 2007-10-08 10:21:55 and read 4044 times.

Hmm... strange little airline...

Topic: RE: New UK Airline To Start Asian Service Soon
Username: BY738
Posted 2007-10-08 10:40:08 and read 4044 times.

The aircraft was definitely moving albeit by tow on Friday.


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