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Topic: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BlueheronNC
Posted 2007-10-22 06:31:03 and read 7240 times.

http://www.wral.com/business/story/1954284/

Looks like GSO along with state and local officials offered an incentive package that beat out RIC. Plans call for "up to 22 daily flights."

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BlueheronNC
Posted 2007-10-22 06:42:10 and read 7207 times.

I'll start: "Eastwind Airlines II'

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: COEWRNJ
Posted 2007-10-22 06:44:29 and read 7197 times.

Seriously though, didn't CO Lite have a major operation out of GSO? Will GSO be able to support an additional 22 flights on Skybus. I'm not too familiar with the GSO area.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2007-10-22 06:48:03 and read 7188 times.

Counting down the seconds till ERJ170 comes in and complains that Skybus chose GSO for a focus city instead of RDU in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BlueheronNC
Posted 2007-10-22 06:48:48 and read 7187 times.

The airport itself has the capability to support the extra flights, especially after its expansion to accommodate the FedEx facility and HondaJet. In terms of population, the Piedmont Triad has 1.6 million, so does Raleigh/Durham (a one hour drive), and Charlotte has 2 million (a 1.5 hour drive). There's definitely enough population to go around...it's just that no one currently uses GSO because RDU is so much cheaper and has more nonstop flights.

[Edited 2007-10-22 06:50:20]

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2007-10-22 06:50:03 and read 7174 times.

GSO is an interesting choice. I wonder if SKYBUS will use the TIMCO facilities for mx there??

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2007-10-22 06:58:22 and read 7145 times.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Counting down the seconds till ERJ170 comes in and complains that Skybus chose GSO for a focus city instead of RDU in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

Sorry to disappoint but I was actually pulling for GSO to land focus city status.. GSO/PTI is a completely underserved city and someone needed to come in and offer non-stop flights out of GSO. The population is there.. the fares are there.. and I wish Skybus the best of luck. I hope they offer up to 20 daily flights somewhere because they need it..

So, congratulations to Skybus and GSO.. they deserve it.. hopefully GSO will have up to 5 gates to offer them.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DALMD88
Posted 2007-10-22 06:59:53 and read 7144 times.

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 4):
Seriously though, didn't CO Lite have a major operation out of GSO

Yes, CO tried the airline within an airline thing there and it failed. I don't think I would blame the failure on GSO, more the concept sucked. As for SkyBus using it as a second focus city...well I don't really get it. But then I've never got anything this airline is doing. My understanding of a focus city means there is a lot of O&D traffic. Sure there maybe a decent population within 1.5 hours, but It doesn't look like the O&D traffic is there. CoLite and now FedEx used GSO as a hub airport. That makes sense. It is a good half way point for n-s traffic on the east coast. It does seem a little close to there other hub in Columbus.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-22 07:18:25 and read 7104 times.

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
I don't think I would blame the failure on GSO, more the concept sucked

Well that concept was the brain child of then CO CEO Robert Ferguson who was quickly sending that airline back into bankruptcy and liquidation and later achieved that with Midway mk II at RDU. But it was cool to see GSO as an airline hub at the time.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BravoGolf
Posted 2007-10-22 07:18:57 and read 7105 times.

What incentives did GSO have to provide Skybus???

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2007-10-22 07:33:55 and read 7052 times.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 11):
What incentives did GSO have to provide Skybus???

I think it was so many dollars (several milllion or hundred million dollars total or something) for every new route that is at least 5x weekly.. and it's open to current and new entrants.. but only for new routes.. I believe that's it..

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Ttango
Posted 2007-10-22 07:53:06 and read 7022 times.

The GSO passenger base showed up in big numbers when Cal Lite had the service. It wasnt the GSO passengers' fault that CAL Lite tumbled. CAL had dozens of other massive problems at the time and GSO was abandoned as a result of the need for CAL to have a company-wide consolidatoin. So from the revenue side, this could be a winner. The question is whether Skybus can keep costs down and run a reliable operation.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-22 08:22:03 and read 6956 times.

Quoting Ttango (Reply 13):
The question is whether Skybus can keep costs down and run a reliable operation.

That is true. I wonder how much GSO area residents still remember how Eastwind went down the tubes. I knew a few people who worked for Eastwind and they told me some very interesting stories of the results of the operational unreliability of the "bee" that involved the Guliford County Sherriff's Department at times!




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Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Sacamojus
Posted 2007-10-22 08:29:36 and read 6935 times.

Now all I need is for Skybus to start GSO-SGJ and GSO-LAL and I am all set. I really hope Skybus works now.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2007-10-22 08:50:13 and read 6873 times.

hmm.. interesting.. here is an article from the local paper..

Stating how GSO got $3.9 Million in incentives from the state of North Carolina to give to Skybus to initiate the focus city.

Congratulations to Skybus, GSO, and NC.. but doesn't it just seem to bite some people in the rear how it is always stated that RDU and CLT get state money for everything.. whereas this is the first time that I can EVER remember seeing the actual state give money to an airport for new service? Ironic, huh? *wink*

Anyway... just HAD to be a bit bitchy... but it's good news regardless.. so that now all large airports in North Carolina have either a hub or focus city status attached to it.. that says a lot for the state and the people in it..

So, where do we think Skybus will open routes from GSO? CMH is a given.. FLL is given..

perhaps Portsmouth, St Augusting, Kansas City, and Gulfport? Perhaps Punta Gorda?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-22 10:03:27 and read 6774 times.

Can't wait to see the public outlash when all this money is wasted after Skybus goes under in a few months. What a waste. You'd think an airport like GSO would know better.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-22 10:20:46 and read 6769 times.

GSO-SGJ seems like a given. I know there are people that drive from N.C. to North Florida, and low fares should get some of them to fly. That's a classic move from the WN playbook, and I'm frankly surprised that SX hasn't done more of it.

I'm not so sure about PGD. Demand to southwest Florida is much stronger from the midwest than the east coast. For whatever reason, folks from the east coast tend to gravitate toward the east coast of Florida.

GSO-PSM would be an interesting route. DL (OH, actually) flies GSO-BOS, and though fares on that route are relatively high, there is a lot of competition from DL, AA, WN, US, and B6 from CLT and RDU. Unlike some other routes, where SX can count on bleed from Charlotte and the Triangle (which is what makes GSO a great choice for a focus city), that wouldn't be so true with PSM.

GSO-MCI seems too thin to work.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BravoGolf
Posted 2007-10-22 13:00:03 and read 6717 times.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 16):
Stating how GSO got $3.9 Million in incentives from the state of North Carolina to give to Skybus to initiate the focus city

Plus additional money from the local government? Is part of this the airport pays Skybus so much per passenger? I am wondering how they get the average wage of $46,000???

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-22 13:38:38 and read 6663 times.

The routse are "Boston", Burbank, Fort Lauderdale, "Fort Myers", "Hartford", "Jacksonville", and "New Orleans".

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2007-10-22 14:19:00 and read 6551 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Can't wait to see the public outlash when all this money is wasted after Skybus goes under in a few months. What a waste. You'd think an airport like GSO would know better.

Do you have any evidence that they are doing that bad? I don't get that impression yet but I haven't heard much other than that they are "full".

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Mainland
Posted 2007-10-22 14:23:52 and read 6538 times.

Here's the company press release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071022/clm086.html?.v=43

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RSWA330
Posted 2007-10-22 14:26:06 and read 6520 times.

Here is the list of cities and flights for GSO:

Starting Jan. 6
CMH gets second daily flight

Starting Jan. 15
PSM gets two daily flights
St. Augustine gets one
PGD gets two

Starting Jan. 17
FLL gets one daily flight
GPT gets one
Hartford/Springfield gets one

Starting Feb. 25
Los Angeles gets one daily flight

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071022/clm086.html?.v=43

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 4everRC
Posted 2007-10-22 14:27:56 and read 6519 times.

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

GSO-BUR on a A319 packed like a sardine can, with FAs constantly trying to get you to buy Tshirts and keychains?

Can't wait...  boggled 

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-22 14:28:28 and read 6512 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
Do you have any evidence that they are doing that bad? I don't get that impression yet but I haven't heard much other than that they are "full".

Actual evidence, no. It's just what I believe. They've already discontinued two destinations, which is in itself not a good sign. They were also set to launch Nassau, Freeport, and Cancun in less than two weeks. Never happened.

They are relying to heavily on markets that just are not there. As has been pointed out on other threads, they will be flying three daily CMH-PGD flights this winter. How do they expect to realisticly succede in that market, when they will be providing 150% of the O&D demand between Columbus and both Sarasota and Ft. Myers to Punta Gorda?

I'm sure flight loads aren't their problem. Cheap fares are easy to fill. I have a hard time believing that they are making much money, especially on longer runs, on $10-$50 fares. Also, the internet is awash in horror stories about them. If these represent typical experiences, they aren't going to be getting much repeat business. A friend of mine flew them from Columbus to Burbank. Once he landed he ate the cost of the return ticket and booked a one-way return to Southwest. I know that is only one ancedote and doesn't reflect the average consumer, but you hear the horror stories more often than other airlines. There have also been a lot of problems, at least when service first launched, at the Dollar Rent-A-Car in St. Augustine. People where showing up for reservations that they had made at JAX, and the small location didn't have any cars to give them. They also rely too heavily on the idea of keeping the plane in the air all the time. Which such a tightly utilzied fleet, flights are often delayed, creating a huge ripple effect. They need to give their planes more rest when they have so few to fly.

Like I've said, if they adjust their business model to making the focus city Florida or Burbank, and to aiming at getting tourists there (similar to Allegiant), I think they can turn themselves around. Though right now they are just digging a deeper whole than even Expressjet is.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: ContnlEliteCMH
Posted 2007-10-22 14:29:35 and read 6750 times.

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
It does seem a little close to there other hub in Columbus.

If Skybus...

... (a) doesn't offer connecting tickets, and
... (b) considers itself only an O&D, PTP airline, then...

... why does the proximity of CMH and GSO matter? There are zero CMH passengers who will fly out of GSO, and vice versa Given the two assumptions above, it seems to me that "driving distance" is the only criterion for saying "a little close" and that these two airports resoundly fail that criterion.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RSWA330
Posted 2007-10-22 14:36:48 and read 6702 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
How do they expect to realisticly succede in that market, when they will be providing 150% of the O&D demand between Columbus and both Sarasota and Ft. Myers to Punta Gorda?

Sarasota/Pt. Charlotte/Ft. Myers is an extremely popular second home destination. How do you know that this added service won't increase demand. If SX offers cheap fares, maybe those with second homes will take trips more often thus increasing the O&D. I will say though that two dailies to GSO might be a bit much. We shall see though. North Carolina is very popular with Floridians.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-22 14:50:21 and read 6747 times.

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 27):
Sarasota/Pt. Charlotte/Ft. Myers is an extremely popular second home destination. How do you know that this added service won't increase demand.

If I have a second home in any of the nicer parts of southwest Florida, I'm not very likely going to be flying Skybus... I don't think the second home crowd is quite what SX is going for (or it shouldn't be, anyway).

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-22 14:53:24 and read 6734 times.

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 27):
Sarasota/Pt. Charlotte/Ft. Myers is an extremely popular second home destination. How do you know that this added service won't increase demand. If SX offers cheap fares, maybe those with second homes will take trips more often thus increasing the O&D.

First off, if you have a second home, you aren't flying Skybus. You are flying the airline with which you collect miles. You also don't worry about not being able to afford to fly down to your second home as often. You can fly down there often, and afford it. Otherwise, you wouldn't buy a second home.

Secondly, I do not deny that Skybus will have an effect in spurring O&D demand. What I am saying is that it won't spur it as much as the capacity they are adding. Which is 150% more than O&D on Skybus alone, entirely ignoring other carriers in the market.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Krsw757
Posted 2007-10-22 14:55:59 and read 6714 times.

I know this is really off topic and I do apologise, but do you think Skybus would ever consider flying to Rockford? Maybe tap into the Fort Myers to Chicago market.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RSWA330
Posted 2007-10-22 15:01:54 and read 6697 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28):
If I have a second home in any of the nicer parts of southwest Florida, I'm not very likely going to be flying Skybus... I don't think the second home crowd is quite what SX is going for (or it shouldn't be, anyway).

Actually, the second home crowd in Port Charlotte is hardly wealthy. They choose Pt. Charlotte/Punta Gorda because it is much cheaper than the rest of Southwest Florida. When I say second homes, I mean "mobile homes" and trailers. Charlotte County is probably the mobile home capital of the world. This is exactly the crowd Skybus is looking for. I know what you mean though about the people with actual second houses (not trailers). I doubt they will use SX.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-22 15:03:25 and read 6689 times.

Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 30):
I know this is really off topic and I do apologise, but do you think Skybus would ever consider flying to Rockford?

Why fly to RFD when they can fly to GYY? Even for the northern suburbs, GYY is easier to get to.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2007-10-22 15:12:39 and read 6640 times.

Pretty excited about this. One of my friends lives in St Augustine, so I imagine he'll be on that flight a fair bit (when he's not on his private plane), and I might need to take the PSM flights to get me home.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Mkirch72
Posted 2007-10-22 15:47:25 and read 6565 times.

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 2):
I give them 10 days until they are out of business.

Sorry bored to tears here. lol.

Then why comment?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
First off, if you have a second home, you aren't flying Skybus.

Have you been to Florida? The state bird is the Snowbird. These people at best have a one or two bedroom 30 year old apartment condo. Most of them are in mobile home parks.

Not to mention that, even if they have a decent home, retirees are on fixed incomes and will look to save money wherever possible.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2007-10-22 15:50:07 and read 6549 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
How do they expect to realisticly succede in that market, when they will be providing 150% of the O&D demand between Columbus and both Sarasota and Ft. Myers to Punta Gorda?

I don't dispute that, but I think the missing piece that will make or break Skybus is the generation of demand for travel between city pairs that have no historical demand. I don't think anyone has any reasonable idea what the demand for Chicopee/Punta Gorda is, just like it's tough to say what demand there is between Weeze and Skavsta, versus Duesseldorf and Stockholm especially given the limitation of various data sources. I guess I'm somewhat optimistic that they're capturing demand that has just not had any reasonable options before.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2007-10-22 15:53:52 and read 6537 times.

Although what will be interesting is on the route GSO-FLL with Allegiant starting next month and SXB folllowing a couple months later, and the disadvantage for Allegiant will be they don't run it every day.

We will see

JetBlueGuy2006

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-10-22 15:55:09 and read 6521 times.

I will be surprised if they make this work out. I think there are better choices than GSO.

Hunter

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BravoGolf
Posted 2007-10-22 15:57:46 and read 6507 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 37):
I will be surprised if they make this work out. I think there are better choices than GSO

But do they offer as much money as GSO?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-22 16:02:05 and read 6489 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
I don't dispute that, but I think the missing piece that will make or break Skybus is the generation of demand for travel between city pairs that have no historical demand. I don't think anyone has any reasonable idea what the demand for Chicopee/Punta Gorda is, just like it's tough to say what demand there is between Weeze and Skavsta, versus Duesseldorf and Stockholm especially given the limitation of various data sources. I guess I'm somewhat optimistic that they're capturing demand that has just not had any reasonable options before.

I see where you are coming from, but I don't agree that we can't see the demand. Punta Gorda is essentially Fort Myers. You can look at CMH-RSW figures, and the reasonable demand for CMH-PGD is right there on it's face.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: National757
Posted 2007-10-22 16:19:37 and read 6445 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 36):
Although what will be interesting is on the route GSO-FLL with Allegiant starting next month and SXB folllowing a couple months later

Should be an interesting dogfight. Allegiant will have the edge by being the first to start service but as you said Skybus will have the advantage with daily flights and a larger presence in GSO.

With only 42 passengers a day and the market well served (via connections) by US Airways and Delta, not sure how this route can sustain either airline.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-22 16:22:45 and read 6434 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
They've already discontinued two destinations, which is in itself not a good sign

Maybe they did that in order to facilitate the GSO expansion since they will only have 7 aircraft at the end of the year?

Also, everyone has agreed on anet that shorter segments make for better RASM with fuel prices so high right now.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: National757
Posted 2007-10-22 16:29:30 and read 6405 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 41):

Also, everyone has agreed on anet that shorter segments make for better RASM with fuel prices so high right now.

How do you explain the GSO-BUR routing then?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-22 16:33:18 and read 6396 times.

Quoting National757 (Reply 42):
How do you explain the GSO-BUR routing then?

Because they can still make some money on that route. They are keeping 1 CMH-BUR also. With the right fare mix long haul can be profitable obviously  Smile

Many people on another thread were claiming that getting rid of BLI and SAN were signs of SX's demise. I was pointing out it is a realignment of assets as opposed an indication of BK since they can't get enough aircraft quickly enough.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: CitrusCritter
Posted 2007-10-22 16:33:48 and read 6395 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 41):
Also, everyone has agreed on anet that shorter segments make for better RASM with fuel prices so high right now.

I actually am not so concerned about them ending some of the long-hauls. If the fare structure is relatively similar on a long-haul and a short-haul, then obviously it is more advantageous to run the short-haul, as you're bringing in more money. CASM goes up because of landing fees etc., but RASM goes up more significantly, or at least it should. I can see SX's plan ultimately being high-frequency P2P service on short-hauls like WN...not low-cost transcons like B6.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-22 16:35:57 and read 6386 times.

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 44):
can see SX's plan ultimately being high-frequency P2P service on short-hauls like WN...not low-cost transcons like B6.

I totally agree with you.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RwSEA
Posted 2007-10-22 16:41:28 and read 6368 times.

Seems to me that if Skybus wants to be successful they're going to at least need to offer connections. It's no surprise that routes like CMH-BLI work without connections, but if you begin to offer connecting opportunities, then your chances improve many times over.

Operating focus cities in these smaller cities are fine, but not on transcon flights to destinations that don't have the O&D. While I realize that they're keeping things simple as possible, a model like this won't last in the US. Ryanair works well because even though most flights are P2P, they're between major European capitals and vacation spots. Generally speaking, they're not from small city to small city.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: UAL777
Posted 2007-10-22 17:04:29 and read 6312 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):


Can't wait to see the public outlash when all this money is wasted after Skybus goes under in a few months. What a waste. You'd think an airport like GSO would know better.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. I give them upto 24 months.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):

Do you have any evidence that they are doing that bad? I don't get that impression yet but I haven't heard much other than that they are "full".

They have already stopped service to two of their routes.

Every dollar fuel goes up will eat into Scuzzbus, and every carrier including the 500 lb. gorilla WN is going to match their fares to put them out of business. I can't wait.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 1millionflyer
Posted 2007-10-22 17:06:29 and read 6278 times.

If only they could serve BNA to ATL and BNA to GSO to add some competition from the 2 BNA strong holds DL and WN.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2007-10-22 17:20:21 and read 6211 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 30):
I know this is really off topic and I do apologise, but do you think Skybus would ever consider flying to Rockford?

Why fly to RFD when they can fly to GYY? Even for the northern suburbs, GYY is easier to get to.

....though it might be theoretically correct (and that's debatable), the notion of going from the North Suburbs to GYY is something which most people wouldn't consider. Even going "down" to MDW is considered far by most residents of the north suburbs....

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RSWA330
Posted 2007-10-22 17:21:39 and read 6211 times.

Quoting Mkirch72 (Reply 34):
Have you been to Florida? The state bird is the Snowbird. These people at best have a one or two bedroom 30 year old apartment condo. Most of them are in mobile home parks.

Not to mention that, even if they have a decent home, retirees are on fixed incomes and will look to save money wherever possible.

Exactly! Punta Gorda is not Naples, Ft. Myers, Sanibel, or Captiva. Those places have the million dollar homes. Punta Gorda is hardly one of the wealthy areas of SW FL unless you consider mobile homes a home of choice. Punta Gorda is the poster child for everything Skybus. I also wouldn't be too eager to say that the wealthy won't fly SX. Wealthy people get wealthy by saving money. If they can get a cheap flight I think they will go for it. I know many wealthy people (my parents for starters) and price definately is a factor. Why spend a ton of money if you are only going to be in the air for three hours? The airlines have become so bad lately that most people aren't even thinking about the service offered (at least none that I know). They simply want an airline that can get them from point A to point B safely and economically.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Sacamojus
Posted 2007-10-22 18:06:32 and read 5964 times.

When I was in sales in Lakeland, I dealt with plenty of snowbirds from all parts of the country and different economic backgrounds. One things that was pretty constant among them was the they were CHEAP!!! I couldn't believe that they could be so cheap. During my last Winter their gas prices were quite expensive and they complained and complained about how it would cost them 500 dollars in gas from Michigan to Florida, and that doesn't take into account food and motel stays. Yes, I believe they can make it work.

I don't get why people want them to fail so miserably. I keep on hearing the same rhetoric about how it is bad for the industry, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine, etc. If the industry cannot support this model, it will go away. But those people working for those low wages are their not by force but by choice, and they are helping to shape the industry. You don't believe in Skybus, don't fly them. I for one who is in Blacksburg hope they do very well in GSO.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Toltommy
Posted 2007-10-22 18:58:10 and read 5851 times.

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 4):
Seriously though, didn't CO Lite have a major operation out of GSO? Will GSO be able to support an additional 22 flights on Skybus. I'm not too familiar with the GSO area.

Gee, do you think the area might have changed slightly since CO tried that in the early 90's? No doubt it's grown since then.....

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
First off, if you have a second home, you aren't flying Skybus. You are flying the airline with which you collect miles.

BS.... Back in my travel agent days, I can't tell you how many doctor's wifes were only concerned about price when buying their tickets to RSW in order to spend the winter in their highrise Naples condos.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 46):
eems to me that if Skybus wants to be successful they're going to at least need to offer connections. It's no surprise that routes like CMH-BLI work without connections, but if you begin to offer connecting opportunities, then your chances improve many times over.

Do you have anything besides opinion to base that assumption upon? Connections raise complexity and cost. If SX is able to fill CMH-BLI on O&D traffic, they probably wouldn't gain much due to the increased costs.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: RwSEA
Posted 2007-10-22 22:18:38 and read 5229 times.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 52):
Do you have anything besides opinion to base that assumption upon? Connections raise complexity and cost. If SX is able to fill CMH-BLI on O&D traffic, they probably wouldn't gain much due to the increased costs.

I base it on the fact that CMH-BLI is no longer bookable after January 6

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Iowaman
Posted 2007-10-22 23:05:38 and read 5144 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):

Identical to my thoughts.



GSO-BUR? Sounds like a great cross country flight to lose loads of money on during $87/barrel fuel.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: SANFan
Posted 2007-10-23 02:25:19 and read 4947 times.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I hope they offer up to 20 daily flights somewhere

Given SX's route map, I couldn't have put it better myself!  Wink (That might as well be their new ad campaign: From our beautiful new hub at GSO [complete with no jetways AND no employees] we will offer an incredible array of up to 20 flights to Somewhere! We're Skybus -- who cares where we fly?

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
As for SkyBus using it as a second focus city...well I don't really get it.

You aren't the only one! (There are several old threads where this whole GSO-thing has been discussed at length and it doesn't look to me like anything has changed except that now we know SX has actually made the decision...)

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 16):
GSO got $3.9 Million in incentives from the state of North Carolina to give to Skybus to initiate the focus city.

If my arithmetic is correct, SX should be able to offer nothing but $10 fares from GSO, assuring success on those routes for the rest of the airline's existence -- maybe 5, 6 months?

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 37):
I will be surprised if they make this work out. I think there are better choices than GSO.

A valid thought, 'flyer; of course it was also valid, back in April and May, when the same statement was made many times here on A.net, except that CMH was the last word in the sentence, instead of GSO.  Wink

Final thought: when does the discussion of GSO college-student population commence? (Similar to the many threads on the same subject regarding CMH.)

Amazing Skybus, simply amazing.

bb

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2007-10-23 03:06:10 and read 4919 times.

They couldn't have chosen a more boring, less demanding, and dooming destination. Skybus, there's a reason why other flights only offer like 3-4 flights a day.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Jetpixx
Posted 2007-10-23 03:29:25 and read 4890 times.

My primary airport is FLL and I am from the state of Ohio...however, I have no interest in flying SX. I wish them well and hope that they survive - as there are many people who do not care about all of the small perks and will use them. I, for one, am fed up even with the crappy service on the so-called 'good' airlines such as DL, NW, etc. The only airline I feel is still somewhat tolerable is CO.

If SX would fly to more favorable destinations, I'd have no problem flying with them, except for perhaps the poor seat pitch - but PTP service to CMH and GSO is just not going to get it done. If they had connection possibilities, I would consider it. However, I am a little confused on their business model, too. WN, I get. The other legacy airlines, I get. Even IndyAir, as flawed as it was, I got. Heck, even ExpressJet...but who wants to fly to CMH? Who wants to go to GSO? I'd connect through there without a problem and wish those airports and towns well. But I just don't get it...

...if they offered these same services from places people actually fly...perhaps FLL, PIE, ISP or SWF, MSY, BUR and had all of the flights from CMH, GSO, etc. into these airports....then it would make a lot better sense to me. Just my two pennies...

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Gsoflyer
Posted 2007-10-23 04:13:11 and read 4846 times.

Can I remind you people that you complained that GSO had next to no O&D traffic to Columbus before Skybus started.

Now, GSO is running 80-100% full planes. Whether they are drawing from RDU/CLT (which they are on this route), whether it is college kids (which it is), business travelers (which it is).... the route worked and worked well.

Chances are, the right fares are going to pull from ROA, RDU, CLT, FAY and AVL for many people.

All you naysayers have yet to mention your mistake, you just go back to saying it won't work.

And sure, US Airways and Delta do have CONNECTIONS. But who cares. Why pay $500 for a connection when I could pay $2

Let the GSO bashing commence. The problem is, all you people that refuse to fly skybus while people are packing these planes here now.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2007-10-23 04:28:53 and read 4827 times.

Hey All ....Seems now it is official.


GSO is the New Focus City....

Flights from GSO Include Portsmouth, Columbus, Biloxi, Chicopee, St. Augustine, Ft. Lauderdale, Burbank, Punta Gorda

Flights are now in http://www.skybus.com

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: STLGph
Posted 2007-10-23 04:41:41 and read 4802 times.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 47):
They have already stopped service to two of their routes.

and didn't Southwest stop a couple of lengthy stage flights not too long ago? no one was singing the blues for them. do what's best. end of story. or so i thought that was the lesson?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Rbgso
Posted 2007-10-23 05:01:46 and read 4758 times.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 54):
They couldn't have chosen a more boring, less demanding, and dooming destination.

We in GSO appreciate your kind words....

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2007-10-23 06:03:28 and read 4635 times.

Great! They announce GSO as a focus city, but then cancel SAN. Guess I'll go ahead and book a normal airline.

I thought they should have used RIV (March Field) all along to serve San Diego anyway. Plus get the Orange County/ Palm Springs crowd as well as Riverside and San Bernadino passengers.

But if they want to serve Lindbergh and potentially use it as some sort focus city in the future (nothing but O&D here, buddy), then they better etch out a little corner now as things will be much tighter
later on.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: CMHSRQ
Posted 2007-10-23 06:07:34 and read 4617 times.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 60):
at! They announce GSO as a focus city, but then cancel SAN. Guess I'll go ahead and book a normal airline.

They have BUR, fly there for $10, you can still buy tickets. Rent a car and then drive 2 hours, piece of cake.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Flack4ric
Posted 2007-10-23 06:09:59 and read 4606 times.

Best wishes to SX in the Triad area....

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Ttango
Posted 2007-10-23 06:16:51 and read 4587 times.

Greensboro has yet to have been bashed by the pros:


http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs...cle?AID=/20071017/NRSTAFF/71017005

History attracts Skybus interest By Richard M. Barron and Donald W. Patterson
Staff Writers
Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2007 3:00 am

If Skybus Airlines expands in the Piedmont Triad, an industry expert thinks the discount airline would make a smooth landing.

History proves it, he said.

Skybus is considering Greensboro as its next "focus city" outside its home base in Columbus, Ohio. It would make multiple direct flights from Piedmont Triad International Airport at deep discounts.

The region's travelers have always flocked to a bargain, said Anthony Tangorra, chief executive officer of Latitude Transport Advisory in New York.

In the mid-1990s, Continental Airlines opened major operations at PTI.

By 1994, it flew more than 83 trips a day from the airport and had more than 600 workers here.

Passenger numbers soared to record highs.

"The Greensboro people stepped up when Continental Lite offered low-fare service," Tangorra said.

That kind of history is powerful proof of a market's strength, and Skybus has been looking carefully at those numbers.

Tangorra knows because he was pitching a startup airline two years ago to the same investors who ultimately backed Skybus. And Skybus used the Greensboro numbers for proof that its flights to this city would be profitable.

In the end, Continental pulled back because of its own financial problems, not because of problems with the Greensboro market, Tangorra said.

Since then, PTI hasn't had a full-service discount airline, and passengers have developed the habit of going to Charlotte Douglas International Airport, where US Airways offers many flights and destinations, or Raleigh-Durham International Airport, which offers lower fares.

Passenger numbers have fallen dramatically.

"You can easily retrain those passengers to fly from their own airport," Tangorra said. Skybus, he said, can tell customers, "You can drive a lot less, and we'll fly you direct and give you a low fare, and it's the airport in your own backyard."

Airport officials are working to close the deal to attract Skybus, which is considering Greensboro along with another location, reported to be Richmond. Va., where the airline currently flies.

The Piedmont Triad Airport Authority meets this afternoon to consider an incentives policy for "passenger development incentives for nonstop service to airports that are not being served from this airport."

Guilford County commissioners gave the airport authority $300,000 for this purpose in September.

Skybus is expected to announce its decision by the end of October.

Henry Isaacson, chairman of the airport authority, stressed Tuesday that no decision has been made.

"Were they to come here, at this point we are not certain of the destinations or the number of flights or the frequency," he said. "Of course, my hope is they will select us and we will know the answers to all those questions."

Isaacson would not discuss the competition.

Pat Danahy, president and chief executive officer of the Greensboro Partnership, said the airline's expansion would be a boon to the community.

"It would provide a significant number of new jobs," he said. "Number two, if Skybus is half as successful as (discount airline) Ryan Air in Europe … it will mean a significant increase in traffic through PTI.

"It will mean downward pressure on the airfares of the legacy carriers, and it will mean direct flight access to cities in the U.S. that does not exist today. … (And) it will attract a lot of publicity."

[Edited 2007-10-23 06:19:22]

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-23 06:26:03 and read 4543 times.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 47):
They have already stopped service to two of their routes.



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 51):
I base it on the fact that CMH-BLI is no longer bookable after January 6

Because:
1. They will not have enough planes to support GSO and CMH while servicing BLI and SAN
2,.Their outsourced contrator could not perform and was causing operational issues for SX at those locations.
3. BLI was having lots of diverts and backing up the system due to several bad weather days, which only increase in the late fall and into spring in that part of the country.
4. PSM asked SX to add some flights, providing an opportunity for more profitable growth (once again not enough planes)
5. Shorter segment flights provice better RASM so long haul seems to be being kept in check as a smaller percentage of flights.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 53):
complete with no jetways AND no employees]

Wrong, they are adding up to 375 employees if you read the press release, it looks like they will be doing maintenance in GSO as well.

the GSO airport is a very well laid out airport and extremely passenger friendly, it is a great alternative to even CLT (only 90 minute drive away).

Quoting SANFan (Reply 53):
If my arithmetic is correct, SX should be able to offer nothing but $10 fares from GSO, assuring success on those routes for the rest of the airline's existence -- maybe 5, 6 months?

they only offer 10 seats at 10 dollars, may times BUR is running over 175 each way from CMH. Right now on the SX site CMH_BUR has no seat less than 75 dollars for the entire mont of November and several days with nothing less than 140-160 available and peak post thanksgiving days at 335 one way!

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2007-10-23 06:41:05 and read 4490 times.

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 24):
GSO-BUR on a A319 packed like a sardine can, with FAs constantly trying to get you to buy Tshirts and keychains?

Actually, it wasn't that bad when I flew them. They passed out the catalogs & told you the "item of the day". Then it was one pass with the cart & that was it. Reminded me of duty free I've seen on Int'l flights.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
First off, if you have a second home, you aren't flying Skybus. You are flying the airline with which you collect miles.

We aren't?

My family has a second home on the east coast of Florida near one of SX's destinations. Counting the trip I mentioned above, we/they'll have taken 3 (maybe four) straight trips down on SX. It sure as hell beats flying into/out of MCO or JAX. In addition, we have friends who have a place in the FLL area that have taken SX CMH-FLL twice since the airline started up & another that says they'll take them if they ever start a TPA-area service. I know three families doesn't constitute everyone that has a second home in Florida, but do you think if somebody can get a $40 r/t fare that they're going to pay extra to go CO or AA, regardless of wealth?

As for the FF miles, we have DL miles which we've built up, while our friends are US FF members. The low fares have pulled us all away, at least temporarily.

[Edited 2007-10-23 06:45:16]

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-23 06:47:10 and read 4463 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 65):
know three families doesn't constitute everyone that has a second home in Florida, but

I totally agree there.

I know several people that have homes in FLL and Naples that use SX, when they could afford to fly anyone they wanted. Convienence and time mean a lot more to people that have money.

"Old Money" people are that way for a reason. They use stewardship to guide their money not slash and burn spending so prevalent in US society today.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2007-10-23 06:48:23 and read 4458 times.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 47):
They have already stopped service to two of their routes.

B6 quit ATL early on; it wasn't necessarily a harbinger for their demise.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 47):
every carrier including the 500 lb. gorilla WN is going to match their fares to put them out of business.

Match what? Columbus/Chicopee? How do you match that? And do you even carry those passengers in the first place?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 39):
I don't agree that we can't see the demand.

My point is that they essentially have to find demand we didn't expect to be there, and demand that other carriers aren't going to bother fighting over; otherwise they're cooked.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2007-10-23 06:59:56 and read 4434 times.

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 59):
We in GSO appreciate your kind words....

Sorry, no personal offense  Smile

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Luv2fly
Posted 2007-10-23 07:11:29 and read 4394 times.

Quoting Ttango (Reply 63):
Since then, PTI hasn't had a full-service discount airline,

And they still don't!

Quoting Ttango (Reply 63):
and passengers have developed the habit of going to Charlotte Douglas International Airport, where US Airways offers many flights and destinations, or Raleigh-Durham International Airport, which offers lower fares.

That because they can fly to places people want to fly to.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2007-10-23 08:10:10 and read 4363 times.

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 61):
They have BUR, fly there for $10, you can still buy tickets. Rent a car and then drive 2 hours, piece of cake.

Then what? Last time I drove through L.A., two hours later I was still in L.A. No Thanks.

Besides, BUR has growing pains. RIV could be a true focus airport for the entire region. 2 hours from San Diego...piece of cake.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2007-10-23 08:10:34 and read 4367 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
First off, if you have a second home, you aren't flying Skybus.

Idunno...I look at Briny Breezes just south of my Florida home and think "Skybus" Silly

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2007-10-23 08:43:40 and read 4331 times.

I can’t wait for it to serve IFP as an alternative for LAS. Only 2 hours away.  Big grin  Wink

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-23 09:40:50 and read 4279 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 47):
Even going "down" to MDW is considered far by most residents of the north suburbs....

That's news to me. I know plenty of loyal WN fliers in the north and northwest suburbs.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 67):
B6 quit ATL early on; it wasn't necessarily a harbinger for their demise.

B6 quit ATL because DL ran them out of ATL. SX isn't in the business of starting routes which compete directly with other carriers, legacy or otherwise.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: A/c dxer
Posted 2007-10-23 09:46:26 and read 4265 times.

GSO is a better hub with connecting flights than a originator which might work in Sky Bus's favor since you would have to buy 2 tickets.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-23 10:11:15 and read 4232 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 64):
2,.Their outsourced contrator could not perform and was causing operational issues for SX at those locations.

You get what you pay for!!

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 64):
Wrong, they are adding up to 375 employees if you read the press release, it looks like they will be doing maintenance in GSO as well.

Will any of these new 375 employees be SX employees or is it going to be rent-a-csa-n-ramper getting minimun wage with
little or no benes.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-23 10:12:18 and read 4289 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 64):
2,.Their outsourced contrator could not perform and was causing operational issues for SX at those locations.

You get what you pay for!!

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 64):
Wrong, they are adding up to 375 employees if you read the press release, it looks like they will be doing maintenance in GSO as well.

Will any of these new 375 employees be SX employees or is it going to be rent-a-csa-n-ramper with a minimum wage with little or no benefits to boot?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-23 10:54:08 and read 4228 times.

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 76):
Will any of these new 375 employees be SX employees or is it going to be rent-a-csa-n-ramper with a minimum wage with little or no benefits to boot?

they are hiring some of their own people in this number.

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 75):
get what you pay for!!

SX did pay, the contractor didn't fulfill their obligations.

[Edited 2007-10-23 10:54:29]

[Edited 2007-10-23 10:54:53]

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-23 12:27:11 and read 4190 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 77):
SX did pay, the contractor didn't fulfill their obligations.

The point being that if you pay a little more, you tend to get a more reliable product. SX has hopefully learned this lesson now.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: National757
Posted 2007-10-23 15:04:56 and read 4138 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 34):
Although what will be interesting is on the route GSO-FLL with Allegiant starting next month and

Just found out Allegiant is ending the GSO-FLL route and conceding the market to Skybus. Last day of service will be January 5th.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-23 16:33:54 and read 4066 times.

With BUR becoming a destination out of GSO for SX , is this the first route to the West Coast out of GSO?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-23 17:30:33 and read 4032 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 65):
We aren't?

My family has a second home on the east coast of Florida near one of SX's destinations. Counting the trip I mentioned above, we/they'll have taken 3 (maybe four) straight trips down on SX. It sure as hell beats flying into/out of MCO or JAX. In addition, we have friends who have a place in the FLL area that have taken SX CMH-FLL twice since the airline started up & another that says they'll take them if they ever start a TPA-area service. I know three families doesn't constitute everyone that has a second home in Florida, but do you think if somebody can get a $40 r/t fare that they're going to pay extra to go CO or AA, regardless of wealth?

I'm certainly not, and I know many people that fly to South Florida to their second homes (myself included), and I look at price, of course, but I also don't bother considering Southwest and Skybus. There are many people like me, many that aren't. We all have our own ancedotes. We'll see how Skybus does, but any route relying on families going to their second homes isn't going to work on a daily, year-round basis, no matter what kind of airline you are.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2007-10-23 17:37:29 and read 4015 times.

Quoting National757 (Reply 79):
Just found out Allegiant is ending the GSO-FLL route and conceding the market to Skybus. Last day of service will be January 5th.

Interesting. Not surprising as SX will have the upper hand with going daily. I am surprised though that they are going to run it for the 2+ months. Where do you think they could use the route? Maybe LAN-FLL?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-23 17:59:36 and read 3990 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 82):
Where do you think they could use the route? Maybe LAN-FLL?

ROA-FLL and/or increased PBG-FLL.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DeltaAVL
Posted 2007-10-23 19:10:10 and read 3907 times.

Looks like they've already got the new routes programmed in. You're able to book starting flights starting Jan 15, 2008:

- GSO-PSM (Portsmouth, NH) starts Jan. 15
- GSO-SJG (St. Augustine, FL) starts Jan. 15
- GSO-PND (Punta Gorda, FL) starts Jan. 15
- GSO-GPT (Gulfport, LA) starts Jan. 17
- GSO-CEF (Chicopee, MA) starts Jan. 17
- GSO-FLL (Ft. Lauderdale, FL) starts Jan. 17
- GSO-BUR (Burbank, CA) starts Feb. 25

GSO-CMH is already running.


Good luck, SX. I'm looking forward to flying you guys someday.  Smile

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: CitrusCritter
Posted 2007-10-24 07:27:17 and read 3774 times.

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 84):
(Gulfport, LA)

Gulfport, MS  Smile

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Gsoflyer
Posted 2007-10-24 11:10:43 and read 3663 times.

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs...cle?AID=/20071024/NRSTAFF/71023024

Apparently part of the deal is Skybus meets a minimum for increased passenger figures and the airport builds a concourse just for them off all the fees they've been saving over the years.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-24 11:26:31 and read 3648 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 86):
Apparently part of the deal is Skybus meets a minimum for increased passenger figures and the airport builds a concourse just for them off all the fees they've been saving over the years.

I really hope they at least wait 18-24 months and see if Skybus is still around before starting construction.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Ttango
Posted 2007-10-24 12:35:42 and read 3609 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 87):
I really hope they at least wait 18-24 months and see if Skybus is still around before starting construction.

The article states that many of the incentives are linked to passenger count performance.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-24 12:58:13 and read 3583 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 86):
Apparently part of the deal is Skybus meets a minimum for increased passenger figures and the airport builds a concourse just for them off all the fees they've been saving over the years.

Which now begs the question where are they going to put this new ULCC concourse at if SX meets the pax count performance that are linked to the incentives. It is too bad the old terminal facility over at the southwest corner of PTI was razed over ten years ago. But then again who would have predicted an airline like Skybus ten years ago?

[Edited 2007-10-24 13:23:25]

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Delta767
Posted 2007-10-24 13:10:58 and read 3570 times.

I wonder if Allegiant would consider replacing the now-canceled FLL flight with one to IWA or LAS?

Also, the BUR flight seems to show no $10 fares on any date for the first few dates of operation. Could each day have sold up to $40-level tickets for those flights?

Is it 10 $10 tix, 10 $20 tix, 10, $30, tix, etc....or is it 10, $10 tix and then after that the fare is decided with other calculations in mind?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: KcrwFlyer
Posted 2007-10-24 13:29:55 and read 3552 times.

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 90):
Also, the BUR flight seems to show no $10 fares on any date for the first few dates of operation. Could each day have sold up to $40-level tickets for those flights?

That would have to be the case.

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 90):
Is it 10 $10 tix, 10 $20 tix, 10, $30, tix, etc....or is it 10, $10 tix and then after that the fare is decided with other calculations in mind?

Looking at ticket prices in various cities, its 10 for $10, then after that the increases seem to be based on range (cmh-gso may go 10,30,50 whereas cmh-bur may go 10,90,120 etc..)

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: UncGSO
Posted 2007-10-24 14:12:05 and read 3514 times.

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 89):
Which now begs the question where are they going to put this new ULCC concourse at if SX meets the pax count

The News & Record says it will be built north of the current North Concourse. The only thing there now is a surface employee parking lot. Now i wonder if they would rename the concourses A, B, & C as it would be silly to have a North North Concourse. Or maybe the "Northwest Concourse" or something to that effect.

Looks as if the are getting 4 new gates in the current North Concourse anyway. I am assuming they will be 21, 23, 27, and 28? (They already have 25). That would fill all gates at GSO yet again.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-10-24 14:22:17 and read 3508 times.

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 90):
I wonder if Allegiant would consider replacing the now-canceled FLL flight with one to IWA or LAS?

They can't move the plane that was to be used to FLL to IWA or LAS. That plane is based in FLL, and that capacity must move to an FLL service.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: DeltaAVL
Posted 2007-10-24 17:16:23 and read 3436 times.

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 85):
Gulfport, MS

Ah, of course! Thanks!  Smile

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Gsoflyer
Posted 2007-10-24 17:20:10 and read 3432 times.

They might move the Allegiant flight to ROA, but I kind of doubt it. ROA is fairly close to GSO and it may be too hard to compete with Skybus even from there. But it would be good for ROA to get.

I think many around here would love to see Allegiant start Las Vegas service.

And with Skybus taking 4 gates, I don't think that fills the airport. There are 2 gates available on the South concourse by the area Delta used to occupy. Allegiant only uses one, right?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Delta767
Posted 2007-10-24 17:49:03 and read 3396 times.

Will Skybus use jetways or the more complicated stairway system (IMO)? Ive noticed some of the work going on at the first couple of gates in the North Concourse, but cant seem to tell if they are going to build attractive Skybus gate backdrops (like CO, NW, and DL have) or just have three orange stands as they do at their existing gate 25. Will they ever have five planes on the ground at one time that would necessitate having five total gates?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Sacamojus
Posted 2007-10-24 19:58:42 and read 3343 times.

I can't wait until they start operations of the new focus city in GSO. I am tired of paying high fares at ROA or TRI. I am planning on taking several trips on Skybus to where they fly just because I can get a cheap enough ticket. I am grateful that G4 is in ROA but their schedule is just too limited. I would fly them to PIE and SFB if they offered more flights.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: STLGph
Posted 2007-10-25 01:14:50 and read 3287 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 95):
They might move the Allegiant flight to ROA, but I kind of doubt it. ROA is fairly close to GSO and it may be too hard to compete with Skybus even from there. But it would be good for ROA to get.

Allegiant has no problems competing against themselves ...

Knoxville/Chattanooga
Knoxville/Tri Cities
Springfield/Champaign
Belleville/Marion
Des Moines/Cedar Rapids

All closer than Roanoke/Greensboro.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Rbgso
Posted 2007-10-25 05:50:38 and read 3239 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 95):
I think many around here would love to see Allegiant start Las Vegas service.

 crossfingers 

That would be great. New service would qualify for the incentives GSO is handing out at the moment, unless the service has to be more than twice a week.

Side question - what is service on Allegiant like?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-25 06:08:29 and read 3230 times.

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 99):
Side question - what is service on Allegiant like?

Very similiar to SX. no assigned seats unless you pay extra (but you can pick an acutal seat instead of just pre-boarding like SX offers), you pay for food and drinks, and they serve smaller airports also. All tickets can only be bought on the G4 website, etc.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: CitrusCritter
Posted 2007-10-25 06:16:24 and read 3241 times.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 100):
Very similiar to SX. no assigned seats unless you pay extra (but you can pick an acutal seat instead of just pre-boarding like SX offers), you pay for food and drinks, and they serve smaller airports also. All tickets can only be bought on the G4 website, etc.

True, but G4 also seems to have a very positive company attitude. Most of the upper management was at ValuJet, and you can tell the ValuJet on-board spirit is something they have taken to G4. In my experience Allegiant has had very friendly on-board staff, but at the outstations they outsource ticketing.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-25 06:23:42 and read 3233 times.

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 101):
In my experience Allegiant has had very friendly on-board staff, but at the outstations they outsource ticketing.

Similiar to SX also. Every one I have spoken to that have flown on SX say the experience has been good and employee's are friendly and not pushy in selling on board items.

Living by IWA I am looking forward to G4 service launching this week!

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Quagmire123
Posted 2007-10-25 11:05:15 and read 3174 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
I'm sure flight loads aren't their problem. Cheap fares are easy to fill. I have a hard time believing that they are making much money, especially on longer runs, on $10-$50 fares. Also, the internet is awash in horror stories about them.

People that are satisfied rarely posts stuff....it's the people that have bad experiences, no matter what the ratio compared to good experiences, that will lash out on the internet.....for every bad experience posted, I'm sure there are hundreds of people that had postive experiences.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Luv2fly
Posted 2007-10-25 11:20:38 and read 3155 times.

Quoting Quagmire123 (Reply 103):
People that are satisfied rarely posts stuff....it's the people that have bad experiences, no matter what the ratio compared to good experiences, that will lash out on the internet.....for every bad experience posted, I'm sure there are hundreds of people that had postive experiences.

This is very true, I read a book once that said if your happy with something you tell like one or two people, if you are not happy it is something like ten people who you tell.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Delta767
Posted 2007-10-25 13:28:34 and read 3106 times.

The local business journal said that SX will base up to three planes at GSO. Will that cover all of the daily destinations they are planning?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Gsoflyer
Posted 2007-10-25 14:00:10 and read 3105 times.

Quote:
The local business journal said that SX will base up to three planes at GSO. Will that cover all of the daily destinations they are planning?

It said base 3 planes initially. I think one will be based in Portsmouth, one in Burbank, three in GSO and six in Columbus.

I also read in another paper that by spring, Skybus plans 1 daily (well 5 to 6 days per week) to the Bahamas from the new focus city and Columbus.

And before you people starting dumping on GSO to the Bahamas, how will that work. Take a look at loads from CLT to the Bahamas or the old direct flights from RDU. Then you can answer your question.

But GSO would have to bring the old passport control station out of storage from the Air Canada days.

As for service on Skybus, another guy at work took them to Columbus and drove up to Findlay (used to take a connection from Dulles/Chicago to Toledo. More than satisfied with the service. So, I have heard 10 good things about Skybus service and 0 bad so far. Same with Allegiant.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2007-10-25 14:04:27 and read 3096 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 106):
And before you people starting dumping on GSO to the Bahamas, how will that work. Take a look at loads from CLT to the Bahamas or the old direct flights from RDU. Then you can answer your question.

Hopefully we will hear an official announcement from SX on the new Caribbean routes in the near future

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Luv2fly
Posted 2007-10-25 14:09:00 and read 3091 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 106):
I also read in another paper that by spring, Skybus plans 1 daily (well 5 to 6 days per week) to the Bahamas from the new focus city and Columbus.

And before you people starting dumping on GSO to the Bahamas, how will that work. Take a look at loads from CLT to the Bahamas or the old direct flights from RDU. Then you can answer your question.

But GSO would have to bring the old passport control station out of storage from the Air Canada days.

Since you do customs clearance in the Bahamas why would you have to bring out the passport control from the Air Canada days?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-25 14:29:16 and read 3077 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 106):
Take a look at loads from CLT to the Bahamas

...which are 80+ percent connecting passengers.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Gsoflyer
Posted 2007-10-25 15:11:02 and read 3042 times.

I am not talking connecting from CLT, I am talking the O&D on the "charters" which are more glorified bi-daily flights.

And they only do customs clearance in the Bahamas out of certain cities. Nassau for sure, but will Skybus fly into the main airport or a smaller one?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: 717-200
Posted 2007-10-25 15:12:41 and read 3044 times.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 108):
Since you do customs clearance in the Bahamas why would you have to bring out the passport control from the Air Canada days?

There never was any kind of passort control or FIS during the days of AC service at GSO because you pre-cleared US Customs and Immigration before you got on the plane at YYZ.

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2007-10-25 15:16:03 and read 3037 times.

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 110):
I am not talking connecting from CLT, I am talking the O&D on the "charters" which are more glorified bi-daily flights.

Who flies those?

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: BillReid
Posted 2007-10-25 18:56:05 and read 2989 times.

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 25):
Sarasota/Pt. Charlotte/Ft. Myers is an extremely popular second home destination. How do you know that this added service won't increase demand. If SX offers cheap fares, maybe those with second homes will take trips more often thus increasing the O&D. I will say though that two dailies to GSO might be a bit much. We shall see though. North Carolina is very popular with Floridians.

Delta can't fill a single CMH flight into RSW the worst months of the year so how is SX going to double this factor into PGT? I don't think SX can do it unless they offer the seats at $0.99 per seat. The demand just isn't there 7 months per year!

Topic: RE: Skybus Reportedly Picks GSO As New Focus City
Username: Itsnotfinals
Posted 2007-10-25 22:26:41 and read 2944 times.

Quoting BillReid (Reply 113):
Delta can't fill a single CMH flight into RSW the worst months of the year so how is SX going to double this factor into PGT? I don't think SX can do it unless they offer the seats at $0.99 per seat. The demand just isn't there 7 months per year!

you might want to say" IMHO " here since this is only your opinion and has no fact befind it.


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