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Topic: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2007-10-28 11:00:04 and read 11427 times.

Cnn is reportaing late Saturday night a pax tired to open an emergency exit door on a flight from Orlando to Dallas.
The plane diverted to Houston.. The Pax was not susccuesful

Well ge i guess he wasnt

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2007-10-28 11:01:20 and read 11434 times.

Quoting JetJeanes (Thread starter):
Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight

AA's service isn't that bad, is it?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2007-10-28 11:03:20 and read 11424 times.

I don't understand why they divert planes when this happens. There is no way to open the door in flight so she didn't do anything that endangered the flight, so just subdue and restrain the lady and continue on.

Although a few pax got lucky and got of at IAH, since that was their final destination anyway...

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: B747forever
Posted 2007-10-28 11:03:51 and read 11420 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight

AA's service isn't that bad, is it?

OMG that is sooo funny

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

God help me, Can stop to laugh.



However good that no one got hurt.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2007-10-28 11:12:34 and read 11363 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
AA's service isn't that bad, is it?

One too many packets of those vile pretzels ! I can sympathise...

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2007-10-28 11:14:07 and read 11354 times.

Why did the cabin crew feel it was necessary to stop her? Why not just let her try. She obviously was not liking the flight, and I don't blame her. Pulling on cabin doors is good therapy. I have a cabin door at home which I pull on when I am aggravated.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Indy
Posted 2007-10-28 11:35:04 and read 11260 times.

Bill Maher said it best "Don't be gentle with him. Ass kicking is whats called for" Big grin

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2007-10-28 11:36:45 and read 11252 times.

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 5):
Why did the cabin crew feel it was necessary to stop her? Why not just let her try. She obviously was not liking the flight, and I don't blame her. Pulling on cabin doors is good therapy. I have a cabin door at home which I pull on when I am aggravated.

I think that if a person feels the need to open a door in flight, her/his behaviour must be quite aggressive. So if the crew decided to divert it is probably because this person was out of her/his nerve and beeing very annoying for other passengers. Just my thinking though.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: DeltaAVL
Posted 2007-10-28 11:43:21 and read 11229 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
However good that no one got hurt.

I'm glad you're being sympathetic, but there was absolutely no chance of anyone getting hurt in this situation. It is physically impossible to open an exit during flight.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: BMED
Posted 2007-10-28 11:46:00 and read 11221 times.

I guess it panics passengers if they see someone trying to open the door and not every passenger will know that its inpossible. Even passengers that do know might still feel uncomfortable by the whole situation.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: B747forever
Posted 2007-10-28 11:48:31 and read 11190 times.

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 8):
It is physically impossible to open an exit during flight.

I know that, but that pax could hurt other passengers. Therefore I say good that no one got hurt.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2007-10-28 12:20:30 and read 11083 times.

Did anyone explain to the passenger that the restroom isnt THAT door, it's the OTHER door??  Smile

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2007-10-28 23:18:21 and read 10589 times.

Since the plane diverted to IAH, the story was on the news tonight.
It appears that the woman was screaming "I don't want to die!" and all hysterical. The F/A's put the handcuffs on her and diverted. They removed her from the aircraft at IAH. The news stated that it wasn't known for sure if she would be charged with anything at all until the investigation is completed. The story hinted that she may have been afraid of flying.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Asuflyer05
Posted 2007-10-28 23:52:13 and read 10529 times.

Why throw her off the airplane? All she needed was a hug.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Luv2cattlecall
Posted 2007-10-29 00:05:02 and read 10510 times.

This is when the FAs need to improvise and quickly convert the AED into a taser!

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Sh0rtybr0wn
Posted 2007-10-29 06:22:56 and read 10208 times.

She sounds confused and maybe had mental problems.Maybe altitude and the stress of flying pushed her over the edge. Diverting does seem a bit of an over reaction, but maybe thats SOP in that situation. I've been on many planes and I've never seen anyone freak out like that; thankfully its a rare occurrence.

[Edited 2007-10-29 06:23:43]

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Ogre727
Posted 2007-10-29 06:33:28 and read 10160 times.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 12):
The F/A's put the handcuffs

I didn't know FAs had handcuffs. Is it standard? does it vary depending on the airline?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Lucianflyboy
Posted 2007-10-29 06:40:19 and read 10130 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
AA's service isn't that bad, is it?

LOL! The prezels took her over the edge! The poor sap is probably locked up in a padded cell. Fear of flying is a very real thing. People catastrophise (quoting my shrink here) and they lose touch with reality. I've had a couple of mid air roller coaster rides and done the 'panic seat grab', then realise, eh, this is not helping!

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 11):
Did anyone explain to the passenger that the restroom isnt THAT door, it's the OTHER door??



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 13):
Why throw her off the airplane? All she needed was a hug.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

OMG! That's horrible but still funny! I was in my normal Monday morning fog and I've laughed and feel great!

Thanks guys!

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2007-10-29 06:57:18 and read 10057 times.

Personally i would not feel comfortable with someone pulling on a door at 20,000 feet even though i know it wont open
but there are always what ifs... I remember when you could smoke seeing smoke go under the emergency door..
and some make whistleing noise or just get frost on the bottom,,, that doesnt make me feel to well..

I would probably have had to reach over and twist her neck.. Im just leary about someone messing with a plane in the air.. Big grin  Big grin

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: DLD9S
Posted 2007-10-29 07:04:47 and read 10021 times.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
One too many packets of those vile pretzels ! I can sympathise...

The pretzels are gone... AA now charges for anything that you might consider food in coach, like $3 potato chips. They even take credit cards right at your seat. Most of the cabin crew seem as excited to see a credit card as they are when someone pulls out a $100 bill.

Maybe this disturbed pax was looking for "something special in the air" not realizing that concept has been gone for a very long time.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2007-10-29 07:13:34 and read 9985 times.

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 16):
didn't know FAs had handcuffs. Is it standard? does it vary depending on the airline?

It all depends on what the FA and pilots have planned during their layover.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Ogre727
Posted 2007-10-29 07:19:37 and read 9952 times.

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 21):
It all depends on what the FA and pilots have planned during their layover.

So you're saying they could have also used whips, poppers and such to subdue this passenger?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2007-10-29 07:27:33 and read 9908 times.

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 22):
So you're saying they could have also used whips, poppers and such to subdue this passenger?

Well, if their layover was in NYC or SFO then it's a good possibility that the FA's might have had those items onhand.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: NZ8800
Posted 2007-10-29 07:47:54 and read 9842 times.

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 22):
Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 22):
So you're saying they could have also used whips, poppers and such to subdue this passenger?

Well, if their layover was in NYC or SFO then it's a good possibility that the FA's might have had those items onhand.

LOL!
Actually, I think it depends on the country.
I can't speak for the US but there have been media reports here in NZ of people being handcuffed on board aeroplanes for being disruptive, and then being met by the police at the destination airport.
F/As are allowed to use any reasonable means in their power to subdue unruly passengers and keep the cabin safe for other people.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2007-10-29 07:58:07 and read 9796 times.

On the one hand, it is virtually impossible to open a door, whether a cabin door or emergency exit over the wing, of an aircraft while the cabin is pressurized.

On the other hand, if someone feels the need to try opening a door while airborne, that person may pose a hazard to other passengers and crew.

In today's world, airlines aren't about to restrain passengers and proceed to the destination. They will divert a flight to remove a passenger that has posed a threat.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Beagleboys
Posted 2007-10-29 07:58:54 and read 9797 times.

Open a doors while in flight is never a big problem... im an f/a and i tried that on b737 (whit pilot supervision) and nothig happen! you can easly move the handle on the open position but the inside pressure keep the door closed... if that happen on a boeing plane the only thing you have to do is just to move the handle back to the closed position.... on airbus plane it will be impossible to move the handle and a red light on the door turn on... but if you are stron enough to move the handle to the open position... mmmh start pray....

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2007-10-29 08:15:52 and read 10022 times.

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 13):
Why throw her off the airplane?

If I had to make a guess, the FA's probably tried to stop her first, and ordered her to sit down, hands off of the emergency exit. If she didn't comply, then she (in the FAA's eyes) is guilty of interference with a flight crewmember and failure to comply with an instruction from a crew member, both big no-nos, and a violation of federal law. Also, if she's that out of control, she could have hurt someone else, so it's a good thing, IMHO, that the captain thought that removing her from the flight was neessary...

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: GeorgiaAME
Posted 2007-10-29 08:31:37 and read 9712 times.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 15):
She sounds confused and maybe had mental problems.

MAYBE had mental problems??? This sounds diagnostic to me.

Have you been reading the posts on this web site? Sounds like 3/4 of everyone flying has mental problems! Maybe TSA responsibilities should be extended a bit, and keep both bombers and wackos off the plane. This loon needs to be banned from ever getting near an aircraft in the future, as does everyone who gets into an altercation with a FA.

She can have her hug after she is cuffed and dumped unceremoniously off the flight.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Varigb707
Posted 2007-10-29 08:35:38 and read 9642 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
AA's service isn't that bad, is it?

LOL It sure is. AA is the worst. I loathe that airline. I (still) have a pending bad experience with them and the way it is being handled, it will never go anyway. Truly, it is going nowhere fast.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2007-10-29 08:39:52 and read 9541 times.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 27):
This loon needs to be banned from ever getting near an aircraft in the future, as does everyone who gets into an altercation with a FA.

I'll bet it's a safe bet that, at the very minimum, she gets blacklisted by AA and will never be able to board an AA plane again...

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Ogre727
Posted 2007-10-29 08:55:26 and read 9228 times.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 27):
This loon needs to be banned from ever getting near an aircraft in the future

Sounds a little harsh coming from a physician... don't take it wrong, I agree with you.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Contrails
Posted 2007-10-29 09:26:09 and read 8592 times.

I guess at some point the airlines will have to arm the FA's with some tranquilizers.

I'm glad nobody was hurt, and I hope the offending passenger gets some serious psychiatric help.

If the flight was on a regular course, wouldn't DFW have been as close as IAH, if not closer?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Twal1011727
Posted 2007-10-29 09:39:21 and read 8408 times.

Quoting Beagleboys (Reply 25):
. but if you are stron enough to move the handle to the open position... mmmh start pray....

Superman himself could not open the door.
All he would do is either break the handle off or bend/break the door mechanism

KD

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Mauiman31
Posted 2007-10-29 10:03:11 and read 7963 times.

Another passenger sitting next to her got kicked off in Houston also and had to drive home. Local Dallas CBS TV reported.

http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_301212811.html

AA said it was because he did not follow crew instructions. He claims it was retaliation, when he ticked the FA's off because he criticized how they handled the woman and situation, he claims making her hysterical when an FA touched her in trying to get her to stop using her cell phone in flight.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: NWADC9
Posted 2007-10-29 10:11:10 and read 7866 times.

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 16):
I didn't know FAs had handcuffs. Is it standard? does it vary depending on the airline?

They're these:

Good enough to hold a nut until the cops come on board.

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 20):
It all depends on what the FA and pilots have planned during their layover.

 rotfl 

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bloodyrascal
Posted 2007-10-29 10:38:03 and read 7356 times.

Quoting Varigb707 (Reply 28):
LOL It sure is. AA is the worst. I loathe that airline. I (still) have a pending bad experience with them and the way it is being handled, it will never go anyway. Truly, it is going nowhere fast.

I agree by far the worst.

Quoting Mauiman31 (Reply 33):
AA said it was because he did not follow crew instructions. He claims it was retaliation, when he ticked the FA's off because he criticized how they handled the woman and situation, he claims making her hysterical when an FA touched her in trying to get her to stop using her cell phone in flight.

I could understand the guy but what was going through his head making the situation worse? tsk tsk tsk. Isnt DFW closer than IAH to MCO though?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2007-10-29 11:07:04 and read 6992 times.

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 16):
I didn't know FAs had handcuffs. Is it standard? does it vary depending on the airline?

This came from a passengers description to the news media of what happened onboard. She said they were clear plastic handcuffs. Could very well have been those plastic ties that police often use instead of traditional handcuffs.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2007-10-29 12:30:15 and read 6600 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I don't understand why they divert planes when this happens. There is no way to open the door in flight so she didn't do anything that endangered the flight, so just subdue and restrain the lady and continue on.

Although a few pax got lucky and got of at IAH, since that was their final destination anyway...

There's about 1700 lbs of pressure on the door at altitude. The problem isn't that a person will succeed (though people have been known to do extraordinary things when under the influence of drugs or adrenaline), but rather that they'll try again at a lower altitude where the pressure differential is lower or, seeing as they've already shown a disregard for human life, attempt to injure themselves or another passenger.

If I had been the Captain on this particular flight, seeing as I had a known individual willing to sacrifice him/herself or others, I would get the airplane on the ground first, and ask questions later.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2007-10-29 19:45:25 and read 6324 times.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 37):
they'll try again at a lower altitude where the pressure differential is lower or,

The door can not be opened at any altitude. Even on the ground, the plane is positively pressurized a bit that prevents the door from opening. Perhaps someone can confirm this, but I suspect the cabin is pressurized on the ground to prevent anyone from opening a door at any time.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Jetdeltamsy
Posted 2007-10-29 20:05:43 and read 6267 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I don't understand why they divert planes when this happens.

Because you have a nutcase in an airplane.

Rocket science.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2007-10-29 20:20:12 and read 6242 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I don't understand why they divert planes when this happens. There is no way to open the door in flight so she didn't do anything that endangered the flight, so just subdue and restrain the lady and continue on.



Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 5):
Why did the cabin crew feel it was necessary to stop her? Why not just let her try. She obviously was not liking the flight, and I don't blame her. Pulling on cabin doors is good therapy. I have a cabin door at home which I pull on when I am aggravated.



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 8):
'm glad you're being sympathetic, but there was absolutely no chance of anyone getting hurt in this situation. It is physically impossible to open an exit during flight.

Indeed.

Quoting BMED (Reply 9):
I guess it panics passengers if they see someone trying to open the door and not every passenger will know that its inpossible. Even passengers that do know might still feel uncomfortable by the whole situation.

Fair enough. But that's what the PA system is for. All it takes is for the Captain to say it is impossible to open the doors in flight due to the very low air pressure outside that doesn't contain enough oxygen for survival and... Oops.  Wink

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: WNCrew
Posted 2007-10-29 20:21:06 and read 6260 times.

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 38):
Perhaps someone can confirm this, but I suspect the cabin is pressurized on the ground to prevent anyone from opening a door at any time.

No, the cabin is not pressurized on the ground (though some of you may bring up the AA A300 incident)...but once a plane is on the ground ALL exits have to be available for use, which means the cabin cannot be pressurized. As I understand it, on the Boeing 737's at least, when the landing gear compresses on touchdown, it opens outflow valves that release any residual pressure.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2007-10-29 20:31:53 and read 6217 times.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 41):
No, the cabin is not pressurized on the ground (though some of you may bring up the AA A300 incident)...but once a plane is on the ground ALL exits have to be available for use, which means the cabin cannot be pressurized. As I understand it, on the Boeing 737's at least, when the landing gear compresses on touchdown, it opens outflow valves that release any residual pressure.

That's pretty much the way it works. Outflow valves deal with it. There are of course special cases for high altitude airports.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: NEMA
Posted 2007-10-30 07:22:41 and read 5967 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
There is no way to open the door in flight



Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 38):
Even on the ground, the plane is positively pressurized a bit that prevents the door from opening.

I was aware of this simply from what i,d read but it leads me to ponder another question. I thought the emergency exits and doors could not be opened due to being auto locked as opposed to pressure resistance. If these exits open outwards i am confused as to how pressure stops you from opening them....isnt the inside pressure greater than the outside and therefore the force is outward? Sorry for my ignorance here.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: ZTagged
Posted 2007-10-30 07:25:22 and read 5960 times.

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 11):
Did anyone explain to the passenger that the restroom isnt THAT door, it's the OTHER door?? Smile



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Quoting JetJeanes (Thread starter):
Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight

AA's service isn't that bad, is it?



Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 5):
Why did the cabin crew feel it was necessary to stop her? Why not just let her try. She obviously was not liking the flight, and I don't blame her. Pulling on cabin doors is good therapy. I have a cabin door at home which I pull on when I am aggravated.

You all need to start doing stand-up. I'm laughing my ass off!  rotfl 

Could it be she went insane, or just felt like a rapid de-pressurization?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2007-10-30 10:31:39 and read 5854 times.

Quoting NEMA (Reply 43):
I was aware of this simply from what i,d read but it leads me to ponder another question. I thought the emergency exits and doors could not be opened due to being auto locked as opposed to pressure resistance. If these exits open outwards i am confused as to how pressure stops you from opening them....isnt the inside pressure greater than the outside and therefore the force is outward? Sorry for my ignorance here.

The doors are actually a little larger than the opening. If you notice the doors tilt a little when they are opened. This is so they can clear the opening. Think of the doors as a plug, just like you would have in an tire patch. The internal pressure holds the door against the opening so it can't be moved while the cabin is pressurized.

Don't most airliners have dump valves on the landing gear. Sometimes you can feel them working. How often have you felt your ears pop within a second or two of touchdown. That's the pressure dump valves at work.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2007-10-30 19:27:31 and read 5651 times.

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 38):
The door can not be opened at any altitude. Even on the ground, the plane is positively pressurized a bit that prevents the door from opening. Perhaps someone can confirm this, but I suspect the cabin is pressurized on the ground to prevent anyone from opening a door at any time.

Nothing can fully prevent anything if you apply enough force. It's a simple math equation. Take the pressure differential between the inside and the outside, and multiply it by the area of the door. Assuming an approximate door size of 3 feet by 6 feet and a pressure differential of about 8psi at altitude, that gives you about 1700 lbs of force, plus, of course, the force required to move the actual mass of the door. Max pressure differentials on the ground are about 1.25 psi, which means you only have to apply about 30 lbs plus the force required to move the mass of the door to open it. While the higher you go the harder it becomes, it is by no means impossible to open the door. There are numerous cases of pursers and FAs being killed or injured by opening a pressurized door on the ground and being "sucked out" onto the tarmac. Hard? Yes. Impossible, especially for a person who is clearly deranged? Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the altitude.

This is all for a plug type door, of course, and when the door isn't a plug type but rather uses bolts to secure itself, a whole different set of numbers comes in to play.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 45):
The doors are actually a little larger than the opening.

Not all aircraft use plug type doors.

Quoting NEMA (Reply 43):

I was aware of this simply from what i,d read but it leads me to ponder another question. I thought the emergency exits and doors could not be opened due to being auto locked as opposed to pressure resistance. If these exits open outwards i am confused as to how pressure stops you from opening them....isnt the inside pressure greater than the outside and therefore the force is outward? Sorry for my ignorance here.

Most new emergency exits aren't plug type doors. This came from a number of cases where passengers in an emergency first had to pull the exit inside the plane before they could extricate the exit from the aircraft or open the exit, and doors were getting left in exit rows at least initially and blocking passengers from making an expedient exit. The doors now have a handle that you pull that first equalizes pressure by opening some vents before you open the exit. The whole process, of course, takes an insignificant amount of time and is much better at moving the now useless door out of the way of the vacating passengers.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Sh0rtybr0wn
Posted 2007-10-30 19:36:46 and read 5637 times.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 46):
There are numerous cases of pursers and FAs being killed or injured by opening a pressurized door on the ground and being "sucked out" onto the tarmac.

Numerous? Ive never heard of it. Do you have some examples? Any recent injuries?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2007-10-31 00:14:09 and read 5542 times.

Quoting NEMA (Reply 43):
I was aware of this simply from what i,d read but it leads me to ponder another question. I thought the emergency exits and doors could not be opened due to being auto locked as opposed to pressure resistance. If these exits open outwards i am confused as to how pressure stops you from opening them....isnt the inside pressure greater than the outside and therefore the force is outward? Sorry for my ignorance here.

As mentioned, newer emergency exits are not plug type. They do have safeguards against opening at altitude though.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 46):
Nothing can fully prevent anything if you apply enough force. It's a simple math equation.

True, but a plug type door at 30k feet is held in the opening so strongly it takes more than a person to open it.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 47):

Numerous? Ive never heard of it. Do you have some examples? Any recent injuries?

There are in fact a few cases, and fatalities.. Don't have time to find the references right now.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: NEMA
Posted 2007-10-31 00:20:58 and read 5529 times.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 45):
The internal pressure holds the door against the opening so it can't be moved while the cabin is pressurized.



Quoting Bohlman (Reply 46):
Most new emergency exits aren't plug type doors

Interesting answers guys, and thanks.

Can you offer a conclusion here in your own belief therefore, or maybe theres an official one that someone might offer.. Do you personally think that under normal circumstances there would be any immediate danger if a passenger attempted to open any of the emergency exits at altitude?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: SABE
Posted 2007-10-31 00:47:12 and read 5505 times.

What a nutcase...

Here's the ground track for the flight in question

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20071027/2253Z/KMCO/KIAH

Can anyone comment on the choice of IAH as the place to divert when they were almost as close to DFW?

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2007-10-31 01:28:06 and read 5429 times.

Quoting NEMA (Reply 49):
Do you personally think that under normal circumstances there would be any immediate danger if a passenger attempted to open any of the emergency exits at altitude?

No.

The only danger is that of brown trouser moments for the pax.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2007-11-01 12:29:21 and read 5217 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 51):
No.

The only danger is that of brown trouser moments for the pax.

Agreed. Even disregarding the safeguards, the depressurization valves on the doors operate at a slower speed than the aircrafts outflow valves, and are meant not to depressurize the aircraft from altitude, but to release any residual pressure in the aircraft in a fraction of a second before the door opens. Plus to open those valves, you still need to apply a great deal of force. Nevertheless, while it's extremely unlikely that something should happen, I'm landing the airplane ASAP to get the crazy person off. I don't care what certain members of this board say about irresponsible and incompetent pilots making melodramatic decisions, because clearly, the armchair pilot knows better than the real pilots.

An interesting article for people:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_32_16/ai_90503141

The NTSB data base is being slower than molasses, but I was trying to see if I could get some data on what the actual psi was at the time of opening the door. Oh well.

[Edited 2007-11-01 12:33:28]

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: JBLUA320
Posted 2007-11-01 14:15:30 and read 5121 times.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 47):
Numerous? Ive never heard of it. Do you have some examples? Any recent injuries?

I don't have the specifics, but not that long ago I believe an AA flight attendant was killed when opening a pressurized A300 door.

JBLU

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2007-11-01 14:48:32 and read 5070 times.

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 53):

I don't have the specifics, but not that long ago I believe an AA flight attendant was killed when opening a pressurized A300 door.

I guess I forgot to mention that they actually talk about this and other incidents in the article I linked.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: JBLUA320
Posted 2007-11-01 15:14:14 and read 5049 times.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 54):
I guess I forgot to mention that they actually talk about this and other incidents in the article I linked.

Sorry, didn't have time to read the article, so I was just recalling from memory.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Bohlman
Posted 2007-11-01 20:39:19 and read 4945 times.

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 55):
Sorry, didn't have time to read the article, so I was just recalling from memory.

56 replies now, I can understand you not clicking on an obscure link in one of them  Smile You remember correctly though.

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: Neuroticdave
Posted 2007-11-01 21:46:53 and read 4869 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):

Priceless, I love it!

Topic: RE: Pax Tries To Open Door On AA Flight
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2007-11-02 04:33:04 and read 4783 times.

It never stops,does it.
regds
MEL


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