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Topic: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Wolborsk
Posted 2007-11-05 15:40:46 and read 5539 times.

I just read an article in one of Guam's magazines where they interviewed the business and financial consultant at the airport here, and he was talking about the airport expansion here, and after several pages of outlining the project, he began talking about new US and foreign carriers coming here. Currently, we are served by NW, CO, JL (mostly JalWays or JAA), and occasionally ANA and China Airlines. However, the article talks about adding more services to the airport. The project is being called "Expanded Air Service." My idea, and the idea of the airport's financial consultant, is to have more than two U.S carriers flying in and out of Guam, preferably to compete with CO (for Asian regional flights on CO, the prices can get very high), since NW only has three routes out of here. Also, the article says Guam needs a direct flight to the mainland, since the one way (currently) to get to the mainland involves a very annoying stop in HNL. Finally, the article talks about getting more big name international carriers (SQ, specifically) to fly to Guam and pick up people coming from everywhere in the region. So, does anyone have any info on if/when any of this will happen?

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Carpethead
Posted 2007-11-05 19:27:19 and read 5380 times.

The problem is Guam/Saipan is largely a leisure destination (hence low-yield), so many of the established carriers have whatever higher priced travelers under their belt.

NH & CI are both regulars at GUM plus there is also OZ & KE from South Korea.

It will be a matter of time before any one of the PRC carriers arrive in the Marianas.

Outside of the two US carriers, it is doubtful any other US airlines (not start-up) to begin service to/from the Marianas.
UA - UA used to fly from KIX to GUM with their old 741s back in the 1990s.
Widebodies are already allocated and basing a narrowbody in the Asian region is probably not what they have in mind.

DL - Negligible presence in the Pacific and would be disastrous with any type of aircraft.

US/AA - forget it.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: MD90fan
Posted 2007-11-05 20:14:37 and read 5264 times.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
It will be a matter of time before any one of the PRC carriers arrive in the Marianas.

Late.

starting 11NOV07.

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CA988 SPN0315 - 0700PEK 772 15

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Copaair737
Posted 2007-11-05 23:24:12 and read 5153 times.

I'd like to see TG or VN at GUM, but who knows when that will happen. I know TG had a ticket office in Guam in the mid 90s, I saw it when I lived there.
It would be really cool to see someone like Garuda there too, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: COSPN
Posted 2007-11-06 01:32:09 and read 5076 times.

hi Guam is Only 160,000 Folks it Has many time More US, and Foreign carrier air service per capita than any USA airport with about 8 CO 737-800 and 2 767-400 in service to the Island as well as NW NRT, NGO ,KIX Guam sees almost all types of Aircraft 777,767,757,747,737,727F and A340,330,320

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2007-11-06 03:12:20 and read 5025 times.

Quoting Wolborsk (Thread starter):
Also, the article says Guam needs a direct flight to the mainland, since the one way (currently) to get to the mainland involves a very annoying stop in HNL.

As I recall, there was a related thread a couple of weeks back that brought out this point. CO will have to wait until they get their 787s to pull this off--if they want to at all. CO 1 and CO 2 are money makers for the airline. I'd love to see UA enter the fray, but I don't think the market is there now, unless they develop another source of tourists.

Doesn't Philippine Airlines do an A320 MNL/GUM?

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: SpiPLANE
Posted 2007-11-06 04:39:32 and read 4963 times.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):

Lumberton,

Philippine Airlines certainly used to, I made this photo in 2004:


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Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: ThePalauan
Posted 2007-11-06 05:01:24 and read 4941 times.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Doesn't Philippine Airlines do an A320 MNL/GUM?

Three times each week. Once in a while, that flight gets replaced with an A330 or A340! Very rare but I've seen it happen at least 3 times since they restarted their service.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
OZ & KE from South Korea.

OZ dropped GUM some time ago because the route wasn't profitable, if memory serves right. I haven't been to the airport in a while but I think I recall seeing some people dismantaling the counters where they used to be at.

Quoting Wolborsk (Thread starter):
Finally, the article talks about getting more big name international carriers (SQ, specifically) to fly to Guam and pick up people coming from everywhere in the region.

One of the things I've heard of is attracting tourists from Europe. To do this, they had the idea of attracting some carrier like BA or AF having an add-on on one of their Asian routes (maybe something like LHR-NRT-GUM or CDG-HKG-GUM). Such add-ons sound just as high in possibility as a nonstop HNL-Europe flight. It would only really attract die-hard vacationers looking for a different tropic scene.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 3):
I'd like to see TG or VN at GUM, but who knows when that will happen. I know TG had a ticket office in Guam in the mid 90s, I saw it when I lived there.
It would be really cool to see someone like Garuda there too, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Both Thai and Garuda served GUM, once upon a time. In fact, in the past, some of the carriers stopping here include Braniff, United, Aloha, Hawaiian, TWA, Pan Am, Air Nauru, and probably a few others I've overlooked. We probably won't have that many US carriers ever again but if the local government can straighten themselves up and find something else to divest in beyond tourism, I'm sure we can at least attract a few Asian carriers and maybe even QF.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: COSPN
Posted 2007-11-06 14:03:27 and read 4780 times.

GUM sees all PAL aircraft at one time or another as it is the fuel stop on LAX/SFO-GUM-MNL and the A320 Runs GUM MNL

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2007-11-06 14:14:06 and read 4751 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 8):
the fuel stop on LAX/SFO-GUM-MNL

Thanks. I had totally forgot the fuel stop on this route. IIRC, this is the time of year for it as well....

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Basrabob
Posted 2007-11-06 14:56:10 and read 4706 times.

Pls can someone enlighten me - a western european - why the big hoohaa over GUM - yes the US military are relocating from Okinawa to GUM . It is a boon time for traffic to/from GUM , which no doubt the US carriers will be licking their lips about ......I will leave others to id which carriers will come . But beyond the US military connx , what else is there . Mention has been made about attracting western european carriers going there . I think that there is more likelihood of BA sponsoring the next trip to the moon than them doing flights to GUM . GUM is primarily a local market . Which will be served by Pac rim carriers as well as US carriers for the US mil personnel .

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2007-11-06 15:04:15 and read 4680 times.

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 10):
But beyond the US military connx , what else is there .

Guam is a very popular tourism destination for Japanese and, I believe, South Korean's. The location is perfect for a few days visit.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Carpethead
Posted 2007-11-06 15:04:54 and read 4680 times.

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 10):

Guam & Saipan have and will continue to be the beach resorts for primarily Japanese tourist. This has been the case since the 1980s. Much has to do with historical ties and closest warm weather overseas destination.
From the 1990s, the Koreans have come and soon the Chinese will too as it is the closest developed tropical destination for the colder climes.

Yes, it's probably too far and expensive for most Europeans to go on a tropical destination. The Med, Canary Islands, Caribbean, Mauritius or Seychelles are much more reachable for folks in your neck of the woods, but opposite hold true for us folks here.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Basrabob
Posted 2007-11-06 15:07:01 and read 4669 times.

Which is exactly what I was saying - a local tourist destination - fantastic to visit no doubt , but a local destination - perhaps the Aussies will go & have a look?

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2007-11-06 15:09:28 and read 4660 times.

Looks like our posts crossed, Carpethead. GUM is also 3 hours flying from the Philippines. Lots of Phil-Am's reside on Guam and the flights (at least they used to have) have good load factors. I suspect that there are also Chinese visitors popping in for an occasional visit as well.

As for BA opting for the moon before Guam, well that's unfortunate. Guam is a gorgeous island. It was my privilege to call it home for over 5 years. I can't wait to return someday.  pray 

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: ThePalauan
Posted 2007-11-06 17:10:53 and read 4572 times.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9):
IIRC, this is the time of year for it as well....

I don't think this is a seasonal route. This probably might be permanent seeing how much more time to rest it gives passengers. It leaves LAX/SFO late at night giving passengers over 10 hours of rest. They stop here in the early hours of the day and continue on to MNL and make it in time for the new day. Seems convenient, I guess, compared to getting some rest before waking up to land in HNL and trying to go back to sleep for the remainder. I remember that being the reason cited by PAL on the local papers earlier this year.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: COSPN
Posted 2007-11-06 18:20:38 and read 4528 times.

Ill still dont see why a 747-400 need a fuel stop ???

Basrabob,

Bottom line is Guam has 160,000 people how many planes can they fill

You are right its just wishful thinking by some local politicians because Guam is the only US territory with no non-stop to the mainland so many are calling for a LAX or IAH non-stop fight...Brantiff Used to fly LAX-GUM-HKG in the ole days..PAL is doing the fuel stop thing one way...some want cabotage to allow PAL to carry LAX-GUM but its only one way...

Others think SQ will just drop by GUM and pick up a few PAX that want to go to LAX or EWR and make the others wait, will never happen...Ints nice thoughts but with 160,000 Just can support a 12 hour non-stop and to where??? Not everyone wants to go to LAX many locals live in the PDX/SEA area so connections in NRT and HNL are just fine

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: LurveBus
Posted 2007-11-06 20:39:42 and read 4458 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 16):
Ill still dont see why a 747-400 need a fuel stop ???

If you stuff a 744 with 433 passengers and their balikbayan boxes, a fuel stop is guaranteed.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: COSPN
Posted 2007-11-06 21:39:17 and read 4396 times.

Thanks well its good money for GUM can Non-revs fly LAX-GUM ????

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2007-11-06 22:02:51 and read 4372 times.

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 10):
But beyond the US military connx , what else is there .

There are some extraordinary cargo rights available to non-US carriers that allow a limited version of hubbing; but I don't believe any line has taken advantage of them.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Jgarrido
Posted 2007-11-06 22:36:28 and read 4343 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 16):
Not everyone wants to go to LAX many locals live in the PDX/SEA area so connections in NRT and HNL are just fine

Except for the layovers they are fine. I've flown to PDX via HNL and from PDX via NRT. I had a 10 hr layover in HNL. In NRT I had an 26 hr layover. Lodging was as my expense for the 24+ hour layover. I don't have any data but my feeling is that there's a larger chamorro population in SoCal then in the PacNW. Regardless a direct flight to LAX or even IAH would give more connecting options then HNL or NRT. I have family in both SAN and PDX and would prefer a direct flight to the mainland. I start drooling every time someone talks about CMI's rumors to start such a flight.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Wolborsk
Posted 2007-11-07 00:16:12 and read 4300 times.

Quoting Jgarrido (Reply 20):
Except for the layovers they are fine. I've flown to PDX via HNL and from PDX via NRT. I had a 10 hr layover in HNL. In NRT I had an 26 hr layover.

I agree 100%. Flying from GUM to PDX or IAH direct on CO would definitely bring in the business, and would be great.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 4):
Guam is Only 160,000 Folks it Has many time More US, and Foreign carrier air service per capita than any USA airport

But, we like to travel. And, who doesn't want a vacation to paradise?

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
CO will have to wait until they get their 787s to pull this off--if they want to at all

Actually, I measured the distance with this great circle calculator and found that the CO EWR-HKG (served by a 772) route is something like 50 more nautical miles than the trip fro EWR-GUM. So, I think that the route is doable on a triple seven. If you're saying that they need to get the 787s to relieve the routes of the 772s, I agree.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2007-11-07 00:26:55 and read 4292 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 16):
Others think SQ will just drop by GUM and pick up a few PAX that want to go to LAX or EWR and make the others wait, will never happen...Ints nice thoughts but with 160,000

It would never happen because that would be cabatoge and, there, illegal. Only a U.S. airline can fly between Guam and another U.S. point.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: SQ452
Posted 2007-11-07 04:42:53 and read 4228 times.

Quoting Wolborsk (Thread starter):
Finally, the article talks about getting more big name international carriers (SQ, specifically) to fly to Guam and pick up people coming from everywhere in the region.

Simply put, never going to happen. All the way SQ has been making decisions (See T3 Changi Airport thread) nothing would surprise me! Big grin

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Quoting COSPN (Reply 16):
Others think SQ will just drop by GUM and pick up a few PAX that want to go to LAX or EWR and make the others wait, will never happen...Ints nice thoughts but with 160,000

It would never happen because that would be cabatoge and, there, illegal. Only a U.S. airline can fly between Guam and another U.S. point.

...correct.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: RFields5421
Posted 2007-11-07 09:27:27 and read 4146 times.

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 10):
But beyond the US military connx , what else is there

Even with the relocation - the US military presence will still be only a portion of what it was back in the 60's and 70's.

When I was stationed on Guam in 1972-74 - there were almost as many US military and their dependents as local residents. Today, it's a much smaller presence. We (the Navy) used to be 75% of the flights at PGUM. No longer are 50+ aircraft based on the east side of the civilian airport.

But what Guam had then, and has gotten more of is tourist hotels which can be very popular with Asian tourists.

1. It is part of the United States, but with a strong Spanish background/ heritage. (Ruled by Spain - 1522-1898)
2. It is a very scenic island - not up to Oahu - but very good.
3. The local people are very friendly and supportive of tourism.
4. Location, Location, Location.

That said - the location is also the main reason that Guam will never be a major destination for US or European tourists. Though I must say - European tourists seem to be much more likely to fly long distances to resorts than Americans.

What will put more carriers and aircraft into Guam is resorts/ hotels marketing in new places around the world. If the resorts can create the demand for flights from UK / France / Australia to Guam - the airlines will follow.

If BA or AF sees a significant number of tickets which change from their airline to another at NRT or some other airport to a carrier serving Guam - they can determine the need to extend the service.

But until they see the tickets of passengers flying - they are not going to add service.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2007-11-07 09:38:53 and read 4135 times.

I'm wondering if the only way to get a GUM-US Mainland route would be to use a plane like a 73GER. The fares would be astronomical though. The route just isn't that big. I can't imagine a 767, A330, 777 or 787 being used on a route like that. However a 73GER, 767 or A330 would be pushing it to fly the 5,800 miles or so to GUM.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: DxBrian
Posted 2007-11-07 09:49:43 and read 4176 times.

Quoting Wolborsk (Reply 21):
Actually, I measured the distance with this great circle calculator and found that the CO EWR-HKG (served by a 772) route is something like 50 more nautical miles than the trip fro EWR-GUM. So, I think that the route is doable on a triple seven.

Not necessarily. EWR-HKG is operated on a polar route and is less affected by winds than a EWR-GUM flight would be.

LAX-GUM would be easily doable with a 777. If CO thought they could sell the flight more profitably than other 777 routes, they would operate the route. A 787 might be the "right size" aircraft to operate the route. It would make for better connections than LAX-HNL-GUM-CNS or LAX-HNL-GUM-MNL.

Hawaiian Airlines has announced service between MNL and HNL. This will probably siphon off some of the MNL-GUM-HNL-LAX traffic from CO, and should help non-revs get from Guam to HNL and the mainland which can be very problematic at times.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Analog
Posted 2007-11-07 10:36:05 and read 4134 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):

It would never happen because that would be cabatoge and, there, illegal. Only a U.S. airline can fly between Guam and another U.S. point.

Didn't OZ get fined by the DOT for offering tickets from GUM to other US destinations via ICN?

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Flysherwood
Posted 2007-11-07 12:37:37 and read 4063 times.

Quoting Jgarrido (Reply 20):
Except for the layovers they are fine. I've flown to PDX via HNL and from PDX via NRT. I had a 10 hr layover in HNL. In NRT I had an 26 hr layover. Lodging was as my expense for the 24+ hour layover. I don't have any data but my feeling is that there's a larger chamorro population in SoCal then in the PacNW. Regardless a direct flight to LAX or even IAH would give more connecting options then HNL or NRT. I have family in both SAN and PDX and would prefer a direct flight to the mainland. I start drooling every time someone talks about CMI's rumors to start such a flight.

Why was your layover at your expense? I make the trip from PDX to GUM through NRT about 3 times per year. NWA takes care of layover in NRT if I don't choose to spend some time visiting my customers in Tokyo and Nagoya. There are quite a few chamorros and other micronesian islanders that have chosen to go to school in PDX and end up sticking around.

The military buildup on Guam over the next 5 years is going to be very big. You are talking about building housing and all ancilliary facilities for an additional 15,000 people. The number of contractors, contract workers, suppliers, family members and mainland officials that will be traveling to and from Guam will be huge. Just think of your city or state or province for that matter, growing in population by almost 10% overnight.

Flights on both PAL and CO to MNL are very full. Flights to HNL are very full. Flights to NRT are generally quite full though WBC is not always so full. A flight to the mainland can definitely be supported, however, flights to HNL will be affected.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Ex_SQer
Posted 2007-11-07 13:16:25 and read 4027 times.

Re: SQ and GUM.
SilkAir had a serious look at GUM a few years back but did not pursue because the A320s would face some payload restrictions. I doubt SQ itself would look at GUM for pax service.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Flysherwood
Posted 2007-11-07 13:38:32 and read 4004 times.

Quoting Analog (Reply 27):
Didn't OZ get fined by the DOT for offering tickets from GUM to other US destinations via ICN?

Why would they get fined for doing that? All they have to do is to have the flight from GUM terminate at ICN and transfer the passenger to another flight originating in ICN bound for the mainland US.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2007-11-07 14:32:04 and read 3966 times.

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 30):
Quoting Analog (Reply 27):
Didn't OZ get fined by the DOT for offering tickets from GUM to other US destinations via ICN?

Why would they get fined for doing that? All they have to do is to have the flight from GUM terminate at ICN and transfer the passenger to another flight originating in ICN bound for the mainland US.

But they can't legally promote or sell GUM-USA via ICN. KE and/or OZ got in trouble for doing that in the past. There's nothing to stop a passenger from buying 2 separate tickets but non-US carriers cannot actively advertise/promote/sell traffic between two points in the USA including US territories.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Analog
Posted 2007-11-07 15:48:43 and read 3911 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
But they can't legally promote or sell GUM-USA via ICN. KE and/or OZ got in trouble for doing that in the past. There's nothing to stop a passenger from buying 2 separate tickets but non-US carriers cannot actively advertise/promote/sell traffic between two points in the USA including US territories.

Is it legal for travel agents to promote such tickets?

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2007-11-07 16:55:56 and read 3873 times.

Quoting Analog (Reply 32):
Is it legal for travel agents to promote such tickets?

I'm no lawyer but I would say not, they're acting as an agent for the airline and should thus be applying the same policies that apply when the airline sells direct to the passenger. Probably a gray area.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Hiflyer
Posted 2007-11-07 17:20:38 and read 3863 times.

To heck with that...get rid of the Brown Tree Snake from Guam before any additional air service!! grin

http://www.fort.usgs.gov/resources/education/bts/invasion/history.asp

Back in the 70's it was Pan Am 841 SFO HNL GUM MNL and the return 842. Popular flight.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Jgarrido
Posted 2007-11-07 17:43:25 and read 3846 times.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 25):
I'm wondering if the only way to get a GUM-US Mainland route would be to use a plane like a 73GER. The fares would be astronomical though. The route just isn't that big. I can't imagine a 767, A330, 777 or 787 being used on a route like that. However a 73GER, 767 or A330 would be pushing it to fly the 5,800 miles or so to GUM.

The current flight though HNL is a 764(sometimes a 300) and is always packed, with only a small minority staying in HNL. My aunt is non-reved out here and it took her 2 days go get on the flight back to the states. Which isn't bad, sometimes people end up paying their own way to HNL or Japan because at times it's so difficult to get a non-rev spot.

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 28):
Why was your layover at your expense? I make the trip from PDX to GUM through NRT about 3 times per year. NWA takes care of layover in NRT if I don't choose to spend some time visiting my customers in Tokyo and Nagoya. There are quite a few chamorros and other micronesian islanders that have chosen to go to school in PDX and end up sticking around.

I have no idea, I tried calling before the trip to get a voucher for hotel and they wouldn't give me one. I've also flown to SAN w/NWA via NRT and went thought the same thing. There was another passenger on that flight who was caught off guard by the overnight layover and hadn't made prior arrangements. I don't know what happened to him. I rode the crew bus over to the raddison and they too were surprised to find i was paying for my own room. Co-workers have had their arrangements payed for by NWA in the past. I don't know if it depends on the fare class of the ticket or if NWA has stopped it altogether in the past year, but I've been on my own.

Also I know of many locals in the Pacific Northwest, but my feeling is that more live in Southern Cal.

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2007-11-07 18:34:28 and read 3814 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 30):
Quoting Analog (Reply 27):
Didn't OZ get fined by the DOT for offering tickets from GUM to other US destinations via ICN?

Why would they get fined for doing that? All they have to do is to have the flight from GUM terminate at ICN and transfer the passenger to another flight originating in ICN bound for the mainland US.

But they can't legally promote or sell GUM-USA via ICN. KE and/or OZ got in trouble for doing that in the past. There's nothing to stop a passenger from buying 2 separate tickets but non-US carriers cannot actively advertise/promote/sell traffic between two points in the USA including US territories.

This is the text of the US DOT announcement in 2002 of the $750,000 fine imposed on Asiana for violating cabotage laws.
http://usinfo.org/wf-archive/2002/021018/epf507.htm

Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Hiflyer
Posted 2007-11-08 04:48:42 and read 3731 times.

So...no GUM ICN LAX thru routing is allowed if it is not a US Flag....or is it ok then if the ICNLAX leg is US Flag on a single booking.

That would drive the question of if those cabotage rules were suspended for GUM, sort of an open sky, would that in turn develop a faster growth in air transportation from within the region and subsequently lower fares?

Obviously the gods are not happy

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Topic: RE: Where Are The US Carriers In Guam?
Username: Flysherwood
Posted 2007-11-08 15:05:49 and read 3642 times.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 37):
That would drive the question of if those cabotage rules were suspended for GUM, sort of an open sky, would that in turn develop a faster growth in air transportation from within the region and subsequently lower fares?

I can't see this happening without CO and NWA putting up one big fight! Those lobbyist in Washington DC would be very busy if this were being proposed.


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