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Topic: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-09-13 11:56:26 and read 8726 times.African Aviation Thread Part 2 (by MD90fan Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)
African Aviation Thread Part 1 (by MD90fan Feb 21 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Now on our 3rd installment
- 8U has announced a new 3x weekly Tripoli-Dusseldorf service.
- Aero will connect Abidjan, Bamko,Lagos, Libreville, Malabo and Monrovia.
- Air Burkina has taken delivery of it's first MD-87.
- Brussels Airlines and Hewa Bora have created a new airline.
- Delta will go daily to Accra.
- Egypt air has taken delivery of it's 3rd 738.
- Emirates will add +3x weekly flights to NBO, from the current 14x weekly
That's about all of the new news, as just about everything else was discussed in the previous thread (2 months old lol).


Regards,
MD90fan |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Birdbrainz Posted 2007-09-13 13:54:39 and read 8701 times.Whatever happened with the crash investigation of the Kenya Airways 737-800? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Lxlgu Posted 2007-09-13 13:58:12 and read 8694 times.Turkish Airlines restart ISTANBUL JOHANNESBURG on Monday 17 September 2007
The airline will fly 3 times weely with a 343
Glad for this due to their good connections to Eastern Europe
Cheers!
Tony |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 787KQ Posted 2007-09-13 15:12:52 and read 8666 times.Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 1): Whatever happened with the crash investigation of the Kenya Airways 737-800? |
I have wondered again and again, but no one knows anything. Some have said with three governments involved, it will take time to get on the same page (?), others have said there should be no speculation (?), but in general the basic information publically available after 99.9% of other crashes, such as basic information from voice and flight data recorders is not available.
I partly blame the media (Kenyan, Cameroonian, etc.) for not doing there jobs. This should not be tolerated.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: GQ Posted 2007-09-13 15:16:26 and read 8667 times.Congrats to Delta and their increased service to ACC, I will definetly try out their nonstop service in the near future |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 787KQ Posted 2007-09-13 15:16:35 and read 8665 times.And this:
http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=10206
Arik Air orders 15 Boeing aircraft
Thursday September 13, 2007
Nigeria's Arik Air increased its commitment to Boeing airplanes, placing an order for 10 737-800s, four 787-9s and one 777-300ER worth a combined $1.8 billion at list prices.
The carrier placed an order for seven long-haul aircraft in the spring (ATWOnline, April 30), when it took delivery of two 737-700s, Boeing said. The 777--300ER previously was listed as unidentified by the manufacturer, while the 737 and 787 commitments are new. Arik eventually hopes to serve the US and is working with Boeing on securing US FAA Category 1 status for Nigeria.
"This additional order for Boeing jets demonstrates our commitment and a purposeful strategy to establish world-class commercial aviation service in Nigeria," Arik MD Mike McTighe said. The airline currently operates 16 aircraft on domestic routes.
by ATWOnline Staff |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Jambo Posted 2007-09-13 16:01:47 and read 8644 times.Air Tanzania seems to be getting Dash 8 Aircrafts for their routes..
They recently announced on the papers vacancies for 10 captains and 10 F/O for Dash 8 Q-300 and Q-400.
Also check out:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=291766 |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-13 23:28:42 and read 8571 times.Two new deliveries:
- Airbus delivered an A320 to Afriqiyah (5A-ONA).
- fly540 took delivery of a Dash-8-100 (5Y-???).
But the most interesting news for this week is (also reported in #2):
Quote: Air Burkina (Ouagadougou) accepted on September 10 its first ex-Iberia McDonnell Douglas DC-9-87 (MD-87) registered I-AFRA (msn 49834, ex EC-EXR). It also unveils a new livery. Meridiana will support the airline with this new type. A second ex-Iberia DC-9-87 (I-AFRB) will also join the first. I-AFRA has 99 seats with 20 in business and 79 in economy. The DC-9s are being placed in Africa under a new project shaped by AKFED (Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development) for the export of used equipment for airlines in Africa. 76% of Air Burkina's stock is owned by His Highness Hkarim Aga Khan. Finaircraft acquire a total of seven DC-9-87s. Rwandair Express, Uganda Airlines and Compagnie Aerienne du Mali are also expected to receive some of the recycled DC-9-87s. |
Source: http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com...ina-accepts-its-first-dc-9-87.html |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Stealth777 Posted 2007-09-14 00:09:22 and read 8558 times.Just a continuation of my question from part #2. Any futher info on Ghana International Airlines? Thanks for any info.
-Stealth |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-14 00:16:30 and read 8551 times.Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 8): Just a continuation of my question from part #2. Any futher info on Ghana International Airlines? |
Currently, they only operate ACC-LGW daily with a B767-300 (the B757 must have been returned to Icelandair). I'm not sure when the LOS en JNB flights have commenced or will commence.
http://www.fly-ghana.com/
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SW733 Posted 2007-09-14 00:25:13 and read 8545 times.Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 2): Turkish Airlines restart ISTANBUL JOHANNESBURG on Monday 17 September 2007 |
Excellent news! I like them for their Eastern European connections too...family in Budapest, and I used Turkish once to get there. Nice airline.
Quoting ENU (Reply 9): Currently, they only operate ACC-LGW daily with a B767-300 (the B757 must have been returned to Icelandair). I'm not sure when the LOS en JNB flights have commenced or will commence. |
Lagos is underway. I don't think JNB is, though.
Thing I don't get is - according to their website, ACC-LOS is 3 hours, but LOS-ACC is only 1...
LOS-ACC runs 7:00pm-7:00pm
ACC-LOS runs 7:40pm-9:40pm
Almost like the aircraft is based in Lagos...odd.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-14 00:26:25 and read 8542 times.Quoting SW733 (Reply 10):
Lagos is underway. I don't think JNB is, though.
Thing I don't get is - according to their website, ACC-LOS is 3 hours, but LOS-ACC is only 1...
LOS-ACC runs 7:00pm-7:00pm
ACC-LOS runs 7:40pm-9:40pm
Almost like the aircraft is based in Lagos...odd. |
Probably operated by Aero (Nigeria).
[Edited 2007-09-14 00:27:54]
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: LouA340 Posted 2007-09-14 00:29:48 and read 8536 times.Quoting SW733 (Reply 10): Lagos is underway. I don't think JNB is, though. |
JNB is underway and has been for quite some time. I was in ACC last December and they were running ACC - JNB flights. The night I was there they used the 767 for the flight.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SW733 Posted 2007-09-14 00:34:47 and read 8531 times.Quoting LouA340 (Reply 12): JNB is underway and has been for quite some time. I was in ACC last December and they were running ACC - JNB flights. The night I was there they used the 767 for the flight. |
Woops. Actually, isn't JNB seasonal? Could explain why it's not coming up when I search for JNB flights?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Stealth777 Posted 2007-09-14 00:47:04 and read 8519 times.the funny thing is that on their website they obviously haven't updated it in a long time. They only list the 752 as their sole aircraft. So how many aircraft do they have painted in their colors? or how many are wet-leased? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-14 00:54:51 and read 8512 times.
I think just one B767, but in that case their flights to LGW can't be daily, as I recall the aircraft was used for charters to CDG this summer. Soups will know more...
From Skyliner:
Quote: Canadair CRJ 900 15055 C-FGND Bombardier ferried 11-12sep07 TIP-VCE-KEF-YYZ-YZD in full Libyan Airlines cs |
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Soups Posted 2007-09-14 01:18:58 and read 8500 times.Hey,
767 been flying daily ACC-LGW-ACC with almost full loads throughout the past few weeks.
JNB was dropped from their network a while ago.
They also codeshare with Aero on their ACC-LOS route providing connections for LOS-ACC-LGW
They have operated a few charters on behalf of Air mediterane out of CDG to Malta-Luqa and Morocco
Quoting SW733 (Reply 10): LOS-ACC runs 7:00pm-7:00pm
ACC-LOS runs 7:40pm-9:40pm
Almost like the aircraft is based in Lagos...odd. |
Flown by Aero
I believe they have plans to run west african flights and are looking for a short haul a/c |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Stealth777 Posted 2007-09-14 09:04:44 and read 8468 times.well I was hoping for something better than Ghana Airways, in terms of keeping things up to date on their website. They still show JNB on there but you cant book it and only shows the 75 as their aircraft. Its been 22 years since I've gone back home and I remember flying the original Ghana Airways. The memories when I was 5. Plane was full, people were rude. get up from your seats to use the restroom only to come back and find two people sitting in your seats. and all the flight attendents would say is well its smoking section for you now. and oh yeah I do remember one thing for sure.. DELAYS, DELAYS, DELAYS.
-stealth |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Ts-ior Posted 2007-09-14 11:23:15 and read 8435 times.Transavia scheduled low fare flights to Tunisia will continue during winter, with a new connection to Tozeur/TOE/DTTZ :
ORY-MIR-ORY -2-4-6- 15:50-18:25/19:10-21:45
ORY-DJE-ORY 1--4-6-
ORY-TOE-ORY 1---5-- |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: TS-IOR Posted 2007-09-14 11:45:24 and read 8426 times.Tuifly (X3) seems to be dropping Monastir/MIR/DTMB for the winter season, but keeping a once a week CGN-TUN flight... a bit strange, isn't it ?! |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-09-14 19:18:41 and read 8354 times.Mauritania is trying to save Air Mauritanie:
http://www.jeuneafrique.com/jeune_af...e.asp?art_cle=PAN70027letateinati0
They apparently owe ILFC 2.7 million and have two (two??) aircraft impounded at ORY. The airline has not yet been able to find a replacement aircraft to operate ORY/LPA/NKC or flights to BKO. The difficulties faced by the company are due to bad management and "exploitation" according to observers (sounds like RK). A new management team was installed 20 July and is requesting $12 million to fix it for a possible privatization.
I've always thought MR and V7 should link up with the help of AT in the background. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-09-14 19:33:39 and read 8342 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 7): Quote:
Air Burkina (Ouagadougou) accepted on September 10 its first ex-Iberia McDonnell Douglas DC-9-87 (MD-87) registered I-AFRA (msn 49834, ex EC-EXR). It also unveils a new livery. Meridiana will support the airline with this new type. A second ex-Iberia DC-9-87 (I-AFRB) will also join the first. I-AFRA has 99 seats with 20 in business and 79 in economy. The DC-9s are being placed in Africa under a new project shaped by AKFED (Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development) for the export of used equipment for airlines in Africa. 76% of Air Burkina's stock is owned by His Highness Hkarim Aga Khan. Finaircraft acquire a total of seven DC-9-87s. Rwandair Express, Uganda Airlines and Compagnie Aerienne du Mali are also expected to receive some of the recycled DC-9-87s. |
It is somehow strange how Meridiana jumps into the African market and manages to get partnerships with 4 airlines accross the continent all of a sudden, while SN has been struggling for two years to get a solid foot on the ground (well let's see how solid the new partnership with Hewa Bora is going to be).
Quoting Soups (Reply 16): I believe they have plans to run west african flights and are looking for a short haul a/c |
I remember that they announced ABV and ROB last year, but these services never came of the ground.
And will start LOS in december if everything goes well.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-15 17:24:14 and read 8248 times.Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 17): Its been 22 years since I've gone back home and I remember flying the original Ghana Airways. |
Ghana Airways now:


Who is this man?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-09-15 20:29:42 and read 8205 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 22):
Quoting KL577 (Reply 21):
His Highness Hkarim Aga Khan
Who is this man? |
Spiritual leader of Ismaili sect of Islam, he lives in Paris, his ancestral origin is either Turkish or Syrian but are now South Asian I think Pakistani, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan more on Ismaili's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismaili they are fairly wide spread in India, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, China, Jordan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, East Africa and South Africa
Agha Khan is also setting up Air Uganda through his Italian company Meridian Airlines.
[Edited 2007-09-15 20:33:21]
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: PRM Posted 2007-09-17 13:14:21 and read 8101 times.A shot of Air Burkina's DC-9 which I believe was returned to the lessor yesterday due arrival of the MD-87.
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 Photo © Paul Morley
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-18 14:53:50 and read 8002 times.Quoting Soups (Reply 16): 767 been flying daily ACC-LGW-ACC with almost full loads throughout the past few weeks. |
They're switching to a B757 according to Skyliner:
Quote: Boeing 757 -256 29310 938 TF-FIA Ghana International positioned 17sep07 KEF-LGW replacing TF-LLA ex EC-HIT |
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Viasa Posted 2007-09-18 20:11:31 and read 8039 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 25): They're switching to a B757 according to Skyliner:
Quote:
Boeing 757 -256 29310 938 TF-FIA Ghana International positioned 17sep07 KEF-LGW replacing TF-LLA ex EC-HIT |
The B767 is in Maastricht for mx, so the B757 only replace the B767 for a short time: http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6523/tflladsc9238borderdn3.jpg
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-18 23:40:18 and read 7998 times.Which project does this news report refer to? Is it Air CEMAC, or more probably EcoAir?
Quote:
New airline closer to reality
The plan to have a new airline operating between West and Central Africa before the end of the first half of 2008 is steadily advancing towards reality, the Association of SADC Chambers of Commerce and Industry (Ascci) said today.
The creation of the airline is not only aimed at filling the vacuum left by the collapse of Nigeria Airways, Ghana Airways and Air Afrique, but also to increase the traffic volumes between the various regions of the continent. |
Source: http://www.suntimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=567255
Can someone confirm that TAAG will start commercial flights to Istanbul soon?
[Edited 2007-09-18 23:41:34] |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-20 00:36:21 and read 7902 times.Quoting Viasa (Reply 26): Quoting ENU (Reply 25):
They're switching to a B757 according to Skyliner:
Quote:
Boeing 757 -256 29310 938 TF-FIA Ghana International positioned 17sep07 KEF-LGW replacing TF-LLA ex EC-HIT
The B767 is in Maastricht for mx, so the B757 only replace the B767 for a short time: http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/652...3.jpg |
But... Skyliner today mentions:
Quote: Boeing 767 -366 24541 275 TF-LLA Icelandair ferried 18sep07 LGW-MST for paint after lease to Ghana Intl ex N73770 |
And another A320 for Afriqiyah:
Quote: Airbus A320 -214 3236 5A-ONB Afriqiyah delivery 18sep07 TLS-TIP ex F-WWBI |
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-09-24 10:23:48 and read 7784 times.From Skyliner:

MD Douglas MD-87 49837 1730 EC-EXT Air Uganda at MAD 23sep07 with titles/tail logo, groupeCelestair cs, EC-reg ex EC-300
A bit dull that all the aircraft of Groupe Celestair (this is the third one, after Air Burkina and Air Mali) have te same livery. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: TS-IOR Posted 2007-09-24 13:45:04 and read 7742 times.Tunisair is to order seven new Airbus and/or Boeing aircrafts !
A300-605R are to be replaced by B777 or A350 !
Isn't the A332 better ? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-09-24 13:51:59 and read 7736 times.777 sounds too big A350 more like it, and TU need a new livery too. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 787KQ Posted 2007-09-27 17:42:32 and read 7614 times.Just to add to the thread, Delta's new African flights from New York to Nairobi, Cape Town and Lagos all on 767's. Nairobi is 4x per week through Dakar and Cape Town 3x also though Dakar. I believe Lagos is daily nonstop.
I hope Kenya Airways starts a nonstop to the US soon before Delta builds too great a following. Their best bet for a route is to New York/Newark, which unfortunately would put them in competition with Delta. Nonetheless, they should fly to either Continental's hub in Newark, or possibly to NW in Detroit or Delta's in Atlanta. Other then New York, I doubt that there are O&D opportunities that would work for KQ without a SkyTeam hub on the other end. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-09-27 19:33:43 and read 7578 times.ET appears to have changed their winter schedule, with overnight CAI added back into the system.
Quoting 787KQ (Reply 32): I hope Kenya Airways starts a nonstop to the US soon before Delta builds too great a following. Their best bet for a route is to New York/Newark, which unfortunately would put them in competition with Delta. Nonetheless, they should fly to either Continental's hub in Newark, or possibly to NW in Detroit or Delta's in Atlanta. Other then New York, I doubt that there are O&D opportunities that would work for KQ without a SkyTeam hub on the other end. |
KQ operating to the US was remote before, but now I wouldn't expect it ever. KQ can serve JFK better via AMS with partner. No reason to risk the route when other opportunities exist. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-09-27 20:56:40 and read 7554 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 29): A bit dull that all the aircraft of Groupe Celestair (this is the third one, after Air Burkina and Air Mali) have te same livery. |
I think they are getting 7 M87s for their three airlines.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: LouA340 Posted 2007-09-28 00:32:45 and read 7509 times.A GIA flight from ACC bound for LGW had to make an emergency landing today somewhere in Spain due to technical issues. Anyone have anymore info.
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePag.../NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=131410 |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 787KQ Posted 2007-09-28 22:54:40 and read 7439 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 33): KQ operating to the US was remote before, but now I wouldn't expect it ever. KQ can serve JFK better via AMS with partner. No reason to risk the route when other opportunities exist. |
KQ's advantage is that they serve a lot of underserved African markets. Although its hub wouldn't work for its West African destinations, it would work well for East and Southern African destinations. KQ's has had a desire to serve the US given its market both as noted above, and the Kenyan market, which is larger than most imagine. Not having a nonstop just means that most find alternatives, such as South African through Johannesburg or the European airlines through their hubs. KQ benefits little, especially since there would be little connecting traffic wanting to go two-stops to get to the US.
The chance for a route is somewhat diminished with Delta on the route, but still good. The economy is strong, the business capital of the region, it has and has the largest amount of students from any African country in the US (including Nigeria and South Africa), it has a large tourism sector, and, if it has a good route, has great connections to the rest of East and Southern Africa.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-09-29 18:23:34 and read 7344 times.Air France Cargo starting freighter service to Cairo from 5 Oct. routed Paris-Cairo-Bahrain-Dhaka with 742F. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RAFVC10 Posted 2007-09-29 21:52:54 and read 7301 times.Heard that all flights of Bravo Air Congo are banned in Europe. This airline has McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircrafts and a Boeing 767-200 that, I think, is actually flying from PAR to FIH (if I'm not wrong)...
Heard, too, that Ecuatoguineana de Aviacion is banned to fly Europe. Don't know which is the fleet of this airline but I heard that they added an Embraer ERJ145 and are in a codeshare with Spanair in the SSG-MAD route.
Any confirmation?
Gerard |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-01 15:58:31 and read 7238 times.TAAG getting it's 3rd 777
Yep-Meridiana scooped up x7 for the 3 new African airlines they recently invested in (Air Burkina, Compagnie Aerienne du Mali and Air Uganda).
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I've always thought MR and V7 should link up with the help of AT in the background. |
x2, AT seems to be a reckoned force in Africa, in fact they were looking at investing in Air Mauritanie.
Quoting KL577 (Reply 21):
And will start LOS in december if everything goes well. |
Quoting AF022 (Reply 33):
ET appears to have changed their winter schedule, with overnight CAI added back into the system. |
Yes, some other changes too:
- JED gets a 4th frequency making in 2x 757s and 2x 767s
- FIH is now a 767
- ACC-ABJ is decreased to 3x weekly instead of 4x weekly
- BKK and CAN is now 6x weekly
- DEL and PEK are now 5x weekly
- Juba goes up to 3x weekly F-50s
- ADD-DAR-ZNZ is new with 2x 757s and 5x 73Gs
[Edited 2007-10-01 15:59:51] |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-01 17:26:51 and read 7191 times.HI,
Quoting 777way (Reply 31): 777 sounds too big A350 more like it, and TU need a new livery too. |
Are you kidding? TU's livery is one of the best out there and is a definite classic (like AF,LH, etc). This is my personal opinion. I agree that the A350 is the best choice.
Some news out of Algeria:
MEA to start BEY-ALG sometime this winter.
Both Etihad/Emirates are looking at getting gov't approval to start ALG flights from their respective hubs.
Transavia are looking at starting lowcost service to ALG from AMS.
RUMOUR: UA is looking at getting gov't approval for flights to ALG from IAD.
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-10-01 18:35:08 and read 7163 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 40):
HI,
Quoting 777way (Reply 31):
777 sounds too big A350 more like it, and TU need a new livery too.
Are you Kidding? TU's livery is one of the best out there and is a definite classic (like AF,LH, etc). This is my personal opinion. |
To me its the most stupid scheme in the industry.
[Edited 2007-10-01 18:41:44]
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-01 18:59:57 and read 7149 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 40): Transavia are looking at starting lowcost service to ALG from AMS. |
Wouldn't ALG-ORY make more sense?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-01 21:03:39 and read 7114 times.Hi,
Too much competition on the route. AH, AF, and ZI all have flights ALG-ORY.
If it goes through, the AMS service will be the first service between the two cities since AH pulled out of AMS a really loooong time ago.
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-01 21:21:16 and read 7109 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 43): If it goes through, the AMS service will be the first service between the two cities since AH pulled out of AMS a really loooong time ago. |
Yes, didn't AH serve AMS only one summer, somewhere in the 90s?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-01 23:19:10 and read 7081 times.Hi,
Quoting KL577 (Reply 44): Yes, didn't AH serve AMS only one summer, somewhere in the 90s? |
I'm not too sure of when exactly AH served AMS, but there is a pic on A.net's database that shows an AH B707 in AMS in 1977 and another pic showing a B732 in the early 90's.
I guess AH couldn't make AMS work. Unlike the case for AT and TU, there aren't a lot of Algerians in Holland.
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-04 08:06:56 and read 7005 times.The new start-up of Brussels Airlines and Hewa Bora will start with two BAe-146 (ex-BA) and a leased B737 this winter. The new Congolese airline will meet international safety standards. Nice developments for this country!
Brussels Airlines will soon add a fourth A333 to its fleet that will be deployed on their Africa network. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-04 15:30:20 and read 6998 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 46): Brussels Airlines will soon add a fourth A333 to its fleet that will be deployed on their Africa network. |
Wasn't this already added a while ago?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-05 02:15:38 and read 7000 times.
Yes, but it was only used for charter flights so far. Currently it is undergoing a C-check, after that it will be used for scheduled services to Africa.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Soups Posted 2007-10-05 03:42:41 and read 6998 times.B3 737 had an emergency landing in ACC 2 days ago |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RAFVC10 Posted 2007-10-05 05:10:24 and read 6999 times.Read in the New York John Fitzgerald Kennedy Wikipedia web site that Air Algerie is scheduled to start operations from ALG to JFK in December 2007.
Unable to find the timetable.
Has anyone heard something?
Regards,
Gerard |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Omoo Posted 2007-10-05 05:34:39 and read 7032 times.Quoting Jambo (Reply 6): They recently announced on the papers vacancies for 10 captains and 10 F/O for Dash 8 Q-300 and Q-400. |
Plus the rumored A320's they are planning to lease soon, possible delivery 2008.

and the Giraffe is back !!!!!!!!

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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-06 05:31:50 and read 7033 times.Another new carrier for Cameroon: http://www.elysianairlines.com
Elysian Airlines is a Douala based national airline operating passenger services initially within Cameroon to the following destinations: Yaounde, Garoua and Ngaoundere.
For the domestic routes, operations will be started with an Embraer 120 RT, 30seater aircraft acquired from South Africa. Additional aircraft have already been identified and will be added as the operations grows.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 2travel2know Posted 2007-10-09 06:03:57 and read 7017 times.I got a question about aviation in Southern Africa.
Does South Africa have bilaterals with its "neighbouring" countries (Nambia, Botswana, Moçambique, Zimbabwe even Madagascar, Mauritius and Angola) or it's open skies with them?
I see LCC players now in South Africa like Mango and Kulula, but notice that other than Kulula flying JNB-MRU, none of them have ventured into WDH, MPM, HRE, LAD... |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Lxlgu Posted 2007-10-09 06:50:38 and read 7017 times.Hi 2travel2know- the KULULA flight is actually the BA COMAIR JNB MRU scheduled flight
No lowcost from South Africa fly scheduled out of South Africa
Cheers!
Tony |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Birdwatching Posted 2007-10-09 10:30:53 and read 7016 times.Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 54): No lowcost from South Africa fly scheduled out of South Africa |
I noticed the same thing. Is there any reason for that? You can fly on all inner South African routes for a seriously "lekker" fare, but even Joburg - Windhoek in expensive as hell. Do 1time / Kulula / Mango have a reason for not flying to, let's say, Gaborone, Maputo, Beira or Windhoek?
Soren
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-09 11:03:57 and read 7018 times.I'm sure if they could they would, but probably the airlines in Namibia, Botswana, etc. are terrified of being over-run by LCCs and hence limit capacity. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Iakobos Posted 2007-10-09 11:20:41 and read 7021 times.Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 38): Heard that all flights of Bravo Air Congo are banned in Europe. This airline has McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircrafts and a Boeing 767-200 that, I think, is actually flying from PAR to FIH (if I'm not wrong) |
Does not matter, Bravo Congo still has no approval for FIH-Europe. The 767 never flew to or from FIH.
By the way, only one of their DC-9-34s was still operative (that's 4 weeks ago)
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 2travel2know Posted 2007-10-09 15:54:47 and read 6925 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 56): I'm sure if they could they would, but probably the airlines in Namibia, Botswana, etc. are terrified of being over-run by LCCs and hence limit capacity. |
I wouldn't make that assumption when it comes to these routes: JNB/DUR-MRU and JNB-RUN (if there was any demand for this one).
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-10 00:39:16 and read 6921 times.Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 53): I got a question about aviation in Southern Africa.
Does South Africa have bilaterals with its "neighbouring" countries (Nambia, Botswana, Moçambique, Zimbabwe even Madagascar, Mauritius and Angola) or it's open skies with them?
I see LCC players now in South Africa like Mango and Kulula, but notice that other than Kulula flying JNB-MRU, none of them have ventured into WDH, MPM, HRE, LAD... |
On theory all countries in Africa have agreed to implement a continent-wide open skies agreement back in 1998 (?) called the Yamoussoukro agreement. Unfortunately only a few countries actually ratified the agreement and even then many countries didn't bother to adhere to the agreement (Nigeria comes to mind, who are notoriously difficult not only to European carriers but as well to fellow African airlines).
The reasons are mentioned above, many countries need to make strategic choices between lowering transport costs and protecting their own infant airline industries. From an economic perspective very little is known on the exact economic benefits of either one of the strategies in the African context.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-10 07:26:49 and read 6847 times.- Air Malawi is sold to Comair (SA)
- Air Botswana is not being sold to South African Airlink
- New airline to be established in Angola, called Fly540 Angola
Source: http://www.african-aviation.com/ |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-10-10 09:32:08 and read 6813 times.The other Congo (Brazzaville) has prohibited passenger flights by Antonov aircraft starting October 9:
http://www.jeuneafrique.com/jeune_af...e.asp?art_cle=AFP90457leconsregas0 |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RAFVC10 Posted 2007-10-10 09:37:20 and read 6810 times.Has anyone heard something about a Somalian airline called Jubba Airways?
Far as I know, operates Yakovlev Yak-42 from Hargheisa and Mogadishu to Dubai.
Any notice about them will be appreciated.
Regards,
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-11 06:49:06 and read 6739 times.Great news guys!
TAAG to Beijing and back to the EU with it's own metal!
China route
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-15 17:06:15 and read 6612 times.
- TAAG to ADD
Quote: DT560 LAD - ADD: 1330 - 2000
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- Air Mauritanie has ceased to exist after it couldn't pay $2.7mil to the ILFC, A new airline, called Mauritanie Airways has been formed and will commence flights Nov.8; it will be 10% state-owned, the rest owned by TunisAir and a private entity.
- Air Zim has boosted LGW to 5x weekly.
- Air Namibia has dropped x1 weekly frequency on the WDH-LGW route, so now it's 2x weekly.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SW733 Posted 2007-10-15 17:43:55 and read 6594 times.Quoting MD90fan (Reply 64): Air Namibia has dropped x1 weekly frequency on the WDH-LGW route, so now it's 2x weekly. |
Yeah this will go into effect January 18. Flights will now leave WDH Tuesdays and Thursday, and return Wednesdays and Fridays. They will use this extra availability of their MD11 to boost WDH-FRA to 5x weekly.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-15 18:03:13 and read 6587 times.
Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SW733 Posted 2007-10-15 18:09:44 and read 6578 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 66): Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all? |
While I agree a codeshare with ET would be beneficial, I don't necesarilly think they will absolutely fail, as you seem to know in advance somehow.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-15 18:21:08 and read 6585 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 66): Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all? |
Look here...
TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET.
Also, ET is increasing ADD-LAD to 4x weekly this month. Weird? Yes 
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-10-16 02:18:01 and read 6538 times.
Does Congo (Brazzaville) even have a national carrier?
Whats up with Interair (SA) ?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-16 03:42:33 and read 6516 times.Quoting SW733 (Reply 67): While I agree a codeshare with ET would be beneficial, I don't necesarilly think they will absolutely fail, as you seem to know in advance somehow. |
The ADD market is not very big, but ET does well because of connecting traffic. ET probably packs their planes with LAD traffic going to Asia and maybe even Europe. But DT cannot tap into that traffic without a codeshare, so all that is left is local traffic. The only thing I know in advance is that there is not enough local traffic between Ethiopia and Angola to support such a flight without connections. Bien sur, that hasn't stopped other airlines from starting flights. I'm thinking of UM's HRE-PEK flight. I'm sure the legroom is great.
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 68): TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET.
Also, ET is increasing ADD-LAD to 4x weekly this month. Weird? Yes |
TAAG is using ADD as its intermediate point to PEK? Why? ADD has absurdly high altitude and another stop would probably have to be scheduled between ADD and PEK. DT would be far better off with DXB or something, no?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: EKfan Posted 2007-10-16 06:20:25 and read 6475 times.what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-16 06:44:54 and read 6469 times.Quoting EKfan (Reply 71): what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth |
Don't know if the actual renovation started yet (it's been some years since I was in NBO) but the drawings look great:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=302266
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-17 01:46:06 and read 6386 times.Quoting MD90fan (Reply 68): TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET. |
Africanflyer.com states that it will be a 73G operating to ADD and back. Not continuing to PEK. One of the articles listed aboce also mentions some kind of a deal with ET so DT can feed passengers to ET to asia and the middle east. If you look at the schedule it
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Flying Belgian Posted 2007-10-17 03:17:25 and read 6358 times.** Bravo Air Congo is history now ** :
Bravo's 762 is operating for Gabon Airlines on the LBV-CDG-LBV run.
Bravo Air Congo is burning its cash rapidly. It won't survive long.
** CargoB the new cargo Belgian company ** :
CargoB has begun opeartions. Their first 742 Cargo (ex-AF) is flying from BRU to LBV, JNB, NBO and TIP.
Cheers,
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-17 06:39:52 and read 6326 times.Quoting Dkny (Reply 73): Africanflyer.com states that it will be a 73G operating to ADD and back. Not continuing to PEK. One of the articles listed aboce also mentions some kind of a deal with ET so DT can feed passengers to ET to asia and the middle east. If you look at the schedule it |
Yeah, but look here:
Taag To Start PEK OCT2307 (?) (by MD90fan Oct 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)
It says TAAG will use ADD also as a stop for it's new long haul service to Beijing.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: EKfan Posted 2007-10-17 09:15:51 and read 6321 times.Quoting KL577 (Reply 72): Quoting EKfan (Reply 71):
what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth
Don't know if the actual renovation started yet (it's been some years since I was in NBO) but the drawings look great:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...02266 |
It definitely hasn't started as I fly in and out almost every month and the whole airport is just awful. The business class lounge is decent but TINY and always packed. I hope the project hasn't faltered...
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-10-17 09:57:06 and read 6298 times.Quoting AlexEU (Reply 69): Does Congo (Brazzaville) even have a national carrier? |
I guess Trans Air Congo is still around. They even have a website:
http://www.transaircongo.org/
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-17 11:41:43 and read 6273 times.Hi,
Any news on Royal Air Maroc or Air Algerie joining an alliance ?
Is a CMN-JNB or CMN-LOS route Feasable ?
Also when RAM recieves it new 787's will the 763's be returned to lessors or will the 787's be deployed to north america and the 763's on new long haul routes ?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-17 12:59:36 and read 6242 times.Hi,
There have been some serious rumours of AH joining SkyTeam. As of now they're just rumours and we'll have to wait and see.
In other news, AH are seriously looking at starting services to PEK and JFK.
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-17 13:17:21 and read 6226 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 79): There have been some serious rumours of AH joining SkyTeam. As of now they're just rumours and we'll have to wait and see.
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But if the rumor does prove to be true will they join as Skyteam or Skyteam "associates" like Kenya Airways (KQ)?
Thanks
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-17 18:01:25 and read 6183 times.Hi,
Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 80): But if the rumor does prove to be true will they join as Skyteam or Skyteam "associates" like Kenya Airways (KQ)? |
I don't really know. I was always under the impression that they'd be entered as associate members under the sponsorship of Air France. Unless AH does some serious improvement, I doubt they fit the bill of a full member of SkyTeam.
BTW: How are RAM's African routes doing?
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-18 05:19:36 and read 6113 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 81):
BTW: How are RAM's African routes doing?
It seems most of the routes have managed to be profitable, especially the CMN-ACC route. This route has been at around 80-90% capacity all summer. This is due to the flights leaving CMN within reasonable time of the LHR-CMN, AMS-CMN, ORY-CMN and CDG-CMN flights. The prices for these flights are reasonably cheaper than the direct KL, BA and AF alternatives.
Most flights arriving from Europe have a reasonable amount of time to allow for a connection to most west/cental African routes.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: LIPZ Posted 2007-10-18 05:47:30 and read 6099 times.According to an italian aviation forum Eritrean Airlines (B8) will discontinue its route Asmara-Milan eff. 30 Oct.
B8 will keep flying to Frankfurt and Rome only in Europe. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-18 06:53:07 and read 6088 times.Afriqiyah Airways has added Dakar.
Quoting LIPZ (Reply 83): According to an italian aviation forum Eritrean Airlines (B8) will discontinue its route Asmara-Milan eff. 30 Oct.
B8 will keep flying to Frankfurt and Rome only in Europe. |
I wonder if it has anything to do with them replacing their leased 757 with an MD-80?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-19 01:51:23 and read 6004 times.Quoting MD90fan (Reply 84): I wonder if it has anything to do with them replacing their leased 757 with an MD-80 |
Does Eritrean still have the 762 if they do where does it fly?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: CV990 Posted 2007-10-19 02:22:33 and read 5998 times.Hi!
Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 38): Heard that all flights of Bravo Air Congo are banned in Europe. This airline has McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircrafts and a Boeing 767-200 that, I think, is actually flying from PAR to FIH (if I'm not wrong)... |
Bravo Air Congo have a good number of DC-9-30's flying out of FIH, I noticed maybe half a dozen of them. The interesting fact is that I meet one Bravo Air Congo pilot flying from CDG to FIH with AF, it was a spanish nice fellow that was an Air Europa pilot...that makes me think that Air Europa have a certain type of protocol ( or even a part...) with the RDC airline. When I returned from FIH 1 week latter he was there again....1 week flying the skies of Congo and then return to the motherland!!!
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-19 07:04:18 and read 5956 times.Quoting Dkny (Reply 85): Does Eritrean still have the 762 if they do where does it fly? |
Yes, they have 1x ex. QF 762 (E3-AAQ), it flies to many of the destinations in it's network.
BTW, seeing your Ethiopian, this may be of interest 
- RAM is increasing CMN-YUL from 4x to 6x weekly for the winter
Quote: AT206 CMN1450 - 1745YUL x3 763
AT207 YUL1915 - 0705+1CMN x3 763 |
- Air Malta will resume it's weekly service to Cairo from 30NOV07.
Quote: KM1969 MLA0100 - 0300CAI 733 5 |
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-19 07:44:17 and read 5940 times.It was interesting indeed. thanks |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 2travel2know Posted 2007-10-19 08:02:05 and read 5938 times.Brazilian BRA is to operate a weekly REC-DKR flight aiming to increase frequency to twice weekly.
There is a potential market between Western Africa and North East Brazil.
So far only TACV and soon BRA are taking advantage of it.
Wonder why G3 doesn't try SID/RAI, BJL, DKR or OXB from either REC or FOR. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Negekono Posted 2007-10-19 08:19:07 and read 5926 times.
Daily CMN-BKO is around 85%. Seems they are doing pretty well.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Negekono Posted 2007-10-19 08:38:09 and read 5920 times.Quoting 787KQ (Reply 36): Quoting AF022 (Reply 33):
KQ's advantage is that they serve a lot of underserved African markets. Although its hub wouldn't work for its West African destinations, it would work well for East and Southern African destinations. KQ's has had a desire to serve the US given its market both as noted above, and the Kenyan market, which is larger than most imagine. Not having a nonstop just means that most find alternatives, such as South African through Johannesburg or the European airlines through their hubs. KQ benefits little, especially since there would be little connecting traffic wanting to go two-stops to get to the US.
The chance for a route is somewhat diminished with Delta on the route, but still good. The economy is strong, the business capital of the region, it has and has the largest amount of students from any African country in the US (including Nigeria and South Africa), it has a large tourism sector, and, if it has a good route, has great connections to the rest of East and Southern Africa. |
Under SkyTeam I think KQ will try to streamline with DL rather than compete on the new NBO-JFK route. In West Africa they already downgraded DKR-BKO-NBO to a 3-weekly (from 4). They often ran into payload issues when that sector was flown on 738s (737-700 were better adapted range-wise, but also had their payload issues). KQ has a great potential to leverage DL's new flights with regional feeder networks. I'd be interested to see them develop a small hub in West Africa for that purpose. DKR, although not central in the region, could be a candidate. ACC, somehow better positioned, another one. I always thought both KQ and ET should try and position themselves faster in West Africa to capture more potential growth there, especially KQ since they are already well integrated inside a global alliance. ET had some plans for a mini-hub in Lome, Togo (a weird choice IMHO)... what happened to these? Also, I always wondered about the likelihood of ET joining a global alliance. Anything cooking? If not, why?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-19 10:02:18 and read 5907 times.What is going on at HRE? I have heard that ET suspended operations there, but
Quoting Negekono (Reply 91): Also, I always wondered about the likelihood of ET joining a global alliance. Anything cooking? If not, why? |
I am baffled, honestly, that ET isn't joining Star before MS. ET has such an expansive network in Africa, and there are already strong links with Germany (both LH and ET service FRA-ADD, and LH has no other options in East Africa). Why isn't ET being pursued by Star? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-19 10:30:57 and read 5896 times.Quoting Negekono (Reply 91): I'd be interested to see them develop a small hub in West Africa for that purpose. DKR, although not central in the region, could be a candidate. ACC, somehow better positioned, another one. I always thought both KQ and ET should try and position themselves faster in West Africa to capture more potential growth there, especially KQ since they are already well integrated inside a global alliance |
They basically already have a small hub in ACC with 7x NBO, 4x ROB and 3x FNA. Rather disappointingly the ROB and FNA flights very poorly connect to longhaul flights from other skyteam partners (KL, AZ and DL). I noticed this last week when I was booking a flight for my father from AMS to FNA. In the end we booked a flight for him on Brussels Airlines to FNA direct, since a KL-KQ combi would mean spending the night in ACC twice.
Quoting Negekono (Reply 91): ET had some plans for a mini-hub in Lome, Togo (a weird choice IMHO)... what happened to these? |
I believe they announced the plans of operating two or three aircraft from this hub in the near future. I suspect there are some financial incentives from the Togolese government for this operation, in addition to quite a modern airport.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-10-19 10:32:11 and read 5894 times.Quoting Jambo (Reply 6): Air Tanzania seems to be getting Dash 8 Aircrafts for their routes..
They recently announced on the papers vacancies for 10 captains and 10 F/O for Dash 8 Q-300 and Q-400. |
What is going on with Air Tanzania? Are they looking for new investors? There has got to be some untapped potential, no? What is their current fleet? Do they have 737s still? And what happens to these pilots if ATC becomes a Q300/Q400 operator only?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Negekono Posted 2007-10-19 11:16:57 and read 5872 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 92): I am baffled, honestly, that ET isn't joining Star before MS. ET has such an expansive network in Africa, and there are already strong links with Germany (both LH and ET service FRA-ADD, and LH has no other options in East Africa). Why isn't ET being pursued by Star? |
You bet. I've always had exactly the same feeling. Like, that ET has long been missing an opportunity to capture larger markets. They have a reliable service overall, with in my opinion slightly better onboard service compared to KQ, but lose me as a potential customer more often now that I can accrue SkyTeam miles on KQ (which I have done systematically since 2004). I am probably not the profile of their typical customer, but nevertheless... KQ is attracting quite a load of foreign tourists and business people on their flights. Maybe Dkny can enlighten us.
On a sidenote, AF022, your earlier predictions for SA's intended JNB-BKO were right. It never materialized. And a question: does TunisAir, who is backing the new Mauritanie Airways, have the capacity to flourish it into a competitor against Air Senegal Intl. (owned by RAM)? North Africans are decidedly keen on occupying the West African airspace, when appropriate through subsidiary 'national carriers' (Air Gabon Intl., etc...). RAM is yet another example of succesful African airline not integrated in a global alliance. Rumors were floating that they could join SkyTeam... Seems to make some sense...
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-20 03:17:31 and read 5779 times.Quoting Negekono (Reply 95): RAM is yet another example of succesful African airline not integrated in a global alliance. Rumors were floating that they could join SkyTeam... Seems to make some sense... |
At present there are no hopefull rumours as to AT joining an alliance...i think you are mistaken for AH, there have been many rumours about them joining Skyteam (Sponsored by AF)
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-20 04:05:40 and read 5771 times.Hi,
Just wondering.....why is AH leaving the AACO (Arab Air Carriers Organization) in December ? Could this be a sign of them Joining Skyteam?
[Edited 2007-10-20 04:10:53]
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-10-20 16:36:26 and read 5690 times.Hi,
Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 97): Just wondering.....why is AH leaving the AACO (Arab Air Carriers Organization) in December ? Could this be a sign of them Joining Skyteam? |
That's interesting! I had no idea they were leaving AACO. maybe this whole SkyTeam thing will pan out.
Also, interesting to point out that AH recently started a frequent flyer program called, Air Algerie Plus. Also, they started credit card payment on their website. I think these are steps taken to get integrated with SkyTeam.
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: RoyalAirMaroc Posted 2007-10-20 16:56:50 and read 5688 times.
Here's the info..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Air_Carriers_Organization
Just wondering.....Imagine AT,AH & TU all code shared together, that would create a great network with AT serving N.America & Africa, AH serving Asia & Europe , TU serving Europe & Mediterranean. They should create an alliance.... NAAA (North African Airline Alliance)
But then again im just pondering...
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-22 02:03:34 and read 5584 times.Quoting Negekono (Reply 91): ET had some plans for a mini-hub in Lome, Togo (a weird choice IMHO)... what happened to these? Also, I always wondered about the likelihood of ET joining a global alliance. Anything cooking? If not, why? |
The CEO recently said that ET will be leasing a couple of 737-300 or -400 to base in Lome. It has been said time and time again that ET is considering Star. LH and ET will begin codesharing soon, the agreement has been signed but I don't think it is in effect yet.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-22 03:07:47 and read 5636 times.Quoting Dkny (Reply 100): The CEO recently said that ET will be leasing a couple of 737-300 or -400 to base in Lome. It has been said time and time again that ET is considering Star. LH and ET will begin codesharing soon, the agreement has been signed but I don't think it is in effect yet. |
With KQ (and the rumoured AH, AT, MD) in Skyteam and SA + MS in Star, wouldn't Oneworld be interested in persuading ET into Oneworld?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-10-22 06:10:22 and read 5597 times.Quoting Dkny (Reply 85): Does Eritrean still have the 762 if they do where does it fly? |
I think that they fly to Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Rome. I don't know what equipment do they use for Dubai route.
Is Hewa Bora still serving JNB? Do they fly directly?
Whats up with Swazi Express? I've heard that they will lease ATR-42 for flights to JNB. Swazi is on EU blacklist. Is there any explanation for putting them on blacklist? I don't understand why is Swazi on blacklist.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Lxlgu Posted 2007-10-22 06:30:15 and read 5581 times.AlexEU
Hewa Borwa fly 3 times a week KINSHASA LUBUMBASHI JOHANNESBURG with a 727 200
Swazi Express now fly a Brasilia JOHANNESBURG MANZINI and their services to MOZAMBIQUE from
Swaziland use a Metroliner
Cheers!
Tony |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-22 06:35:40 and read 5576 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 92): What is going on at HRE? I have heard that ET suspended operations there, but |
HRE is still on according to the schedules on their website. ET 871 On Tuesday, Thursdays and Sundays on the 737. Only aircraft type changed
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-10-22 06:42:56 and read 5575 times.- Air Namibia will replace it's 2 732s with 2 735s leased from Safair; will dispose of it's Fokker 28s
- Spain and Mauritius have signed a new MoU for a new bilateral.
Quoting AlexEU (Reply 102): I've heard that they will lease ATR-42 for flights to JNB. |
It's already doing double daily flights to JNB.

New identity:

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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Lxlgu Posted 2007-10-22 06:50:15 and read 5576 times.Hi MD90 fan!
The ATR is now replaced by a BRASILIA-loads have not been great
I believe the ZS LUC is now operating PELICAN AIR flights to Mozambique
Cheers!
Tony |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-27 03:58:40 and read 5388 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 46): The new start-up of Brussels Airlines and Hewa Bora will start with two BAe-146 (ex-BA) and a leased B737 this winter. |
Is there more news about AirDC? I couldn't find a website. Will Hewa Bora stop to exist?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: KL577 Posted 2007-10-27 04:38:02 and read 5373 times.Quoting ENU (Reply 107): Is there more news about AirDC? I couldn't find a website. Will Hewa Bora stop to exist? |
It seems www.airdc.com is registered in Belgium. Reports state that Hewa Bore will continue charter flights and cargo. Operations are to start with 4 BAE-146 (domestic services) and 2 B737-800 for regional services to Kenya, Cameroon, Nigeria and South Africa. The main challenge for SN, Hewa Bora and AirDC is to transform FIH into a slightly more pleasant travelling experience.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-28 04:39:52 and read 5272 times.Corendon is now operating a B737 for Camair, according to Skyliner:
Quote: Boeing 737 -3Q8 27633 2878 TC-TJB Corendon in svc at DLA 24oct07 for Camair, no extra titl |
Is has been quiet with Nacam for awhile since their first B737 was photographed, there website http://www.flynacam.com/ is not yet updated either. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-28 07:52:08 and read 5244 times.New aircraft for Air Zimbabwe?
Quote: AIR Zimbabwe which has been in a financial crisis for the past eight years has approached the Commercial Bank of Zimbabwe (CBZ) and Zimbabwe Allied Banking Group (ZABG) for funds to replace its ageing fleet.
Air Zimbabwe board chairman, Mike Bimha, told a parliamentary committee on Transport and Communication this week the company has been having difficulties finding financial partners to renew its fleets. |
Source: http://allafrica.com/stories/200710260698.html
What happened to the order of 5 IL-96's? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-28 23:35:56 and read 5136 times.ET and LH in frequent flyer program partnership
http://ethiopianairlines.com/news/report.aspx?nid=185 |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Dkny Posted 2007-10-28 23:49:04 and read 5139 times.Quoting AF022 (Reply 92): What is going on at HRE? I have heard that ET suspended operations there, but |
Shedule shows ET in HRE aftet November 15th but the following article shows otherwise.
"Ethiopian Airlines has indicated that it will pull out of the Harare route on November 15. The airline has since informed travel agents not to take bookings for dates beyond November 15."
http://allafrica.com/stories/200710260854.html
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-10-31 15:30:20 and read 5012 times.Quote: According to posted schedules, Hainan Airlines will begin services from Beijing, China to Luanda, Angola shortly with a weekly flight. The service will be operated on Mondays via Dubai using B763 aircraft.
HU7923 PEK - DXB: 730 - 1230
HU7923 DXB - LAD: 1350 - 1830
HU7924 LAD - DXB: 2030 - 730
HU7924 DXB - PEK: 850 - 2245
TAAG, Angola’s flag carrier, will begin services to Beijing, China on November 23. Flights will be operated on Wednesdays and Fridays using B772 aircraft.
DT690 LAD - PEK: 1700 - 1530
DT691 PEK - LAD: 1830 - 0230 |
Source: http://www.africanflyer.com/
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-10-31 18:43:59 and read 4980 times.Senegal is taking ownership of V7...from it's current 49% share up to 75%. It apparently lost some 16 million dollars last year which is bad news for such a small carrier. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-11-01 04:23:58 and read 4931 times.On which routes does 1T (One Time) uses DC-9-15? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-11-01 07:37:27 and read 4891 times.TAAG also is starting Bangui and N'Djamena. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-11-01 09:04:48 and read 4862 times.
Is there a lot of oil traffic between NDJ and LAD? Otherwise I can't imagine there's much of anything.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-11-01 09:19:52 and read 4862 times.Same for Bangui. I don't understand the need. Dakar or Bissao would be more appropriate, i guess. There were also plans to start Luanda-Maputo.
Why are west african routes full of stops? E.g. Avirex Gabon flies Libreville-Lome-Ouagadogou-Bamako?
Is there some sort of open sky agreement beatween west african countries? e.g. Air Ivoire (abidjan based) flies from Cotonou to Lome, Douala and Libreville. There are a lot more examples. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-11-01 09:22:33 and read 4856 times.Quoting AlexEU (Reply 118): Is there some sort of open sky agreement beatween west african countries? |
There was supposed to be (the Yammousoukro agreement) but as you can probably imagine, it went nowhere fast.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-11-01 11:03:52 and read 4809 times.Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 117): Is there a lot of oil traffic between NDJ and LAD? Otherwise I can't imagine there's much of anything. |
Maybe that and Angolans wanting to work as aid workers in nearby Darfur?
Quoting AlexEU (Reply 118): Same for Bangui. I don't understand the need. Dakar or Bissao would be more appropriate, i guess. There were also plans to start Luanda-Maputo.
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Indeed, Bissau, IIRC is coming soon. TAAG has ambitious plans these days!
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: PRM Posted 2007-11-01 12:50:21 and read 4775 times.Quoting AlexEU (Reply 118): Why are west african routes full of stops? E.g. Avirex Gabon flies Libreville-Lome-Ouagadogou-Bamako? |
Avirex isn't doing much flying - their DC-9-32 TR-LHG has been parked in OUA for a couple of months.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MaverickM11 Posted 2007-11-01 14:06:23 and read 4758 times.Quoting MD90fan (Reply 120): Indeed, Bissau, IIRC is coming soon. TAAG has ambitious plans these days! |
They're swimming in oil money and the civil war is done so things are good. Except for the accounting 
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: MD90fan Posted 2007-11-02 23:06:27 and read 4690 times.Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 122): They're swimming in oil money and the civil war is done so things are good. Except for the accounting Wink |
Tell me about it.
Angola's GDP leaped by 20-25% last year and they have one of the fastest growing economies. As if that isn't enough, in 2011 they'll be producing 2,000,000bbd, on par with Kuwait!
Below is a picture of Luanda's ever-changing skyline:

TAAG is acting crazy again!
New routes before year's-end to Libreville,Malabo,Accra, and.... Cotonou!
Quote: Angolan Airlines lancera davantage de lignes vers l'Afrique centrale et occidentale
(Les Echos 02/11/2007)
LUANDA -- La compagnie aérienne angolaise Angolan Airlines (TAAG) envisage de lancer davantage de lignes vers des pays d'Afrique centrale et occidentale, a rapporté jeudi l'agence de presse officielle angolaise ANGOP.
Antonio Fernandez, conseiller du conseil des directeurs de la TAAG, cité par ANGOP, a indiqué que l'inauguration mercredi du vol Luanda-Bangui-N'djamena faisait partie du projet d'exploration de cette compagnie nationale.
La TAAG souhaite lancer des vols vers Libreville (Gabon), Malabo (Guinée équatoriale), Cotonou (Bénin) et Accra (Ghana) d'ici la fin de l'année, a fait savoir M. Fernandez.
En Afrique, la compagnie aérienne angolaise gère actuellemnt des lignes vers l'Afrique du Sud, la République du Congo, la République démocratique du Congo, Sao Tomé et Principe, la Namibie, le Zimbabwe, la Zambie et le Cap-Vert. |
BTW, new thread coming online soon!
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-11-03 07:03:39 and read 4621 times.Easyjet expansion in North Africa
After taking over BA franchise GB Airways in March, destinations gained are new country Egypt where they will serve Hurghada and Sharm el Sheikh, three new destinations in Morocco i.e Agadir, Fez and Tangiers, a country they already serve.
British Airways mainline will take over Tunis from GB Airways.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Viasa Posted 2007-11-03 10:06:45 and read 4593 times.Quoting AlexEU (Reply 115): On which routes does 1T (One Time) uses DC-9-15? |
I heard that this plane flies charter flights and also is in use as a back-up aircraft.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-11-05 07:10:50 and read 4530 times.How is aviation doing in Lesotho? I've heard that SA Airlink's 3 times daily flight with Jetstream 41 will be switched to 1 daily EMB-135 and 2 daily J41.
Is Air Zimbabwe still flying Xian MA-60?
Cheers |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-11-05 09:24:12 and read 4490 times."Nigeria Airspace Management Agency (NAMA) and Ghana Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA), are clamouring that both countries should have a single sky for effective and safe Air Traffic Services delivery in the subregion.
This means that the airspace of both should become one entity and be treated as such by pilots who fly airspaces of both countries and those that operate from airports in the two nations."
Source: http://allafrica.com/stories/200711050857.html |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AH332 Posted 2007-11-07 07:41:06 and read 4378 times.Hi,
Quoting 777way (Reply 124): Easyjet expansion in North Africa
After taking over BA franchise GB Airways in March, destinations gained are new country Egypt where they will serve Hurghada and Sharm el Sheikh, three new destinations in Morocco i.e Agadir, Fez and Tangiers, a country they already serve.
British Airways mainline will take over Tunis from GB Airways. |
I also heard rumours that they were going to start a Basle-Mulhouse to Constantine (CZL) flight? Any truth to that?
Cheers,
Imad |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SW733 Posted 2007-11-07 07:57:22 and read 4370 times.
...I believe three of them, flying mostly domestic I think.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: ENU Posted 2007-11-11 11:27:38 and read 4264 times.Quote: Jet Airways to South Africa
Jet Airways is reportedly planning to start services between Mumbai, India and Johannesburg, South Africa beginning in April 2008 with a 3x per week frequency. The airline is also said to be interested in serving Durban before the end of the same year. |
Source: http://www.africanflyer.com/2007/11/11/jet-airways-to-south-africa/
Would they start other destinations soon, such as Lagos?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Speedbird128 Posted 2007-11-11 11:33:03 and read 4256 times.
Haven't been paying attention to the aircraft types lately, but JNB did get the MA60...
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-11-12 06:36:18 and read 4133 times.Quoting AH332 (Reply 128): Hi,
Quoting 777way (Reply 124):
Easyjet expansion in North Africa
After taking over BA franchise GB Airways in March, destinations gained are new country Egypt where they will serve Hurghada and Sharm el Sheikh, three new destinations in Morocco i.e Agadir, Fez and Tangiers, a country they already serve.
British Airways mainline will take over Tunis from GB Airways.
I also heard rumours that they were going to start a Basle-Mulhouse to Constantine (CZL) flight? Any truth to that?
Cheers,
Imad |
No idea, I also forgot to mention that BA will not be serving Morocco anymore with this development.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-11-12 07:32:52 and read 4110 times.Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 131): Haven't been paying attention to the aircraft types lately, but JNB did get the MA60... |
I think they fly JNB- Bulawayo route.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-11-12 09:09:45 and read 4077 times.Quoting 777way (Reply 124): Easyjet expansion in North Africa
After taking over BA franchise GB Airways in March, .... three new destinations in Morocco i.e Agadir, Fez and Tangiers, a country they already serve. |
BA mainline might take over LHR-Tangier service which means they will remain in Morocco.
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Bambicruz Posted 2007-11-12 09:54:43 and read 4061 times.Quoting 777way (Reply 134):
BA mainline might take over LHR-Tangier service which means they will remain in Morocco. |
How about CMN?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: Swissgabe Posted 2007-11-14 00:28:40 and read 3957 times.1TIME has just received rights to fly to Zanzibar.
The carrier will launch two frequencies a week between Johannesburg and Zanzibar early next year.
Glenn Orsmond, the airline's ceo could not say exactly when the flights would be launched as 1Time is still waiting on permit approval from the Tanzanian authorities which it expects to receive within a month.
It's the first African rights for 1Time. Orsmond says it's tough to get rights to fly into Africa. “Those get reserved for SAA so you try and apply as and when routes become available. They need to free the skies.â€
Source: http://www.travelhub.co.za/index.asp...=article&userid=2850&article=16595 |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-11-19 07:25:19 and read 3758 times.Yemenia planning Nairobi and Dakar services. |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: SOUPS Posted 2007-11-19 07:36:02 and read 3750 times.
Whats the link between Yemen and Senegal?
Heard an start-up charter airline called ACE is starting soon flights between Ghana And Jamaica, Anyone heard of them? i think its operated by a L1011
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AlexEU Posted 2007-11-19 08:18:53 and read 3720 times.
How are Yemenia's flights to JNB? Are they still flying via Moroni? Why is there a need for Yemenia serving JNB?
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Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: AF022 Posted 2007-11-19 08:35:38 and read 3715 times.Yemenia seems to have big growth plans from what I have seen, but I don't really get it. Who flies them? Where are they going? Do they capture any 6th-freedom traffic at all? |
Topic: RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3 Username: 777way Posted 2007-11-20 08:04:46 and read 3628 times.Lock this thread part 4 already active African Aviation Thread Part 4 (by MD90fan Nov 14 2007 in Civil Aviation) |
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