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Topic: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: SafetyDemo
Posted 2007-11-22 17:42:55 and read 6551 times.

Hi Everyone,

I reported to work in PIT today and saw, sitting just off the "C" gates, an Air Canada Boeing 767. It was surrounded by fire trucks, had air stairs attached to 1L, and apparently the nosegear was being paid special attention to.

I wouldn't know how to go about finding online what flight it was or why it came here ... so does anyone know?

Thanks!

-safetyDemo

PS - Hope my US friends enjoyed their Thanksgiving!

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: Lexy
Posted 2007-11-22 17:48:06 and read 6536 times.

Airline Air Canada
Flight Number 401
Departure City (Airport) , ()
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) Pittsburgh, PA (PIT)
Arrival Time 11/22/2007 10:32 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


I believe it was from Montreal, but I may be wrong on that.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2007-11-22 18:12:18 and read 6489 times.

AC401 (YUL-YYZ) diverted to PIT because of YYZ weather (snow). It was then further delayed due to a "broken tow lug", whatever that is. Arrived PIT 1035, departed at 1518.

Incredibly, we had another YUL-YYZ flt a bit later (AC255) that also diverted to PIT because of weather. Arrived at 1043, departed at 1219. At least that one didn't have a "broken tow lug". So, PIT had 2 Rapidair flts sitting there at the same time. Must have been a helluva morning in Toronto.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2007-11-22 18:18:46 and read 6464 times.



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Must have been a helluva morning in Toronto.

1st major winter storm of the year= chaos in Toronto... no fun getting to work this morning... 2 hours doing what would take me 30 minutes most days. YYZ must of been a mess, though i did hear departures pounding off of Runway 23 while i was stuck on Derry Rd.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: Tdscanuck
Posted 2007-11-22 18:42:47 and read 6404 times.



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
It was then further delayed due to a "broken tow lug", whatever that is.

It's the piece of the nose gear where the tug's tow bar attaches. If the ground crew gets too...enthusiastic...they can damage the towing lug.

Tom.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2007-11-22 21:40:03 and read 6200 times.



Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Airline Air Canada
Flight Number 401
Departure City (Airport) , ()
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) Pittsburgh, PA (PIT)
Arrival Time 11/22/2007 10:32 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 767-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


I believe it was from Montreal, but I may be wrong on that.

I know that this is a long shot, but what are the chances that this was the Gimli Glider? Anyone have the tail number?

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: Arrow
Posted 2007-11-22 21:43:49 and read 6191 times.



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I know that this is a long shot, but what are the chances that this was the Gimli Glider? Anyone have the tail number?

Zero chance. Glider was retired just a few weeks ago. There was a thread on it.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: PITrules
Posted 2007-11-22 22:11:02 and read 6131 times.



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Incredibly, we had another YUL-YYZ flt a bit later (AC255) that also diverted to PIT because of weather.

The other flight was an A-320. Both aircraft landed within one minute of each other.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: MEL
Posted 2007-11-22 23:01:23 and read 6065 times.

The Gimli Glider was NOT retired weeks ago. It was intended to be retired, but is still flying. Today the Glider was in Vancouver, operating a 14:30 departure Vancouver-Montreal, so no, the Glider was not in Pittsburgh.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2007-11-22 23:14:28 and read 6053 times.



Quoting Arrow (Reply 6):
Zero chance. Glider was retired just a few weeks ago. There was a thread on it.

The thread refuted that myth. I saw the aircraft in YVR yesterday.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: DCAYOW
Posted 2007-11-23 06:11:21 and read 5901 times.

I am perplexed by the choice of diversion airport. It seems weird a Canadian domestic flight would fly all the way down to PIT to divert, if they could have flown to PIT - couldn't they have flown at least back to Ottawa (YOW) or onto London (YXU)? The passengers were not pre-cleared to enter the US so I am sure CBP made those poor people sit on the plane the entire time.

Just weird...

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: YHMYYZspotter
Posted 2007-11-23 07:30:52 and read 5776 times.



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 10):
I am perplexed by the choice of diversion airport. It seems weird a Canadian domestic flight would fly all the way down to PIT to divert, if they could have flown to PIT - couldn't they have flown at least back to Ottawa (YOW) or onto London (YXU)?

Or what about Hamilton (YHM). We barely had any snow here in this area. It amazes me why the first snow storm takes everyone by surprise still. We live in Canada! It's like its a shock to people that its snowing in November hahaha....

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: LongHauler
Posted 2007-11-23 07:31:29 and read 5776 times.



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 10):
I am perplexed by the choice of diversion airport.

PIT is about number 10 on the choice list of alternates for YYZ. If it was used, it is because the top 9 were not suitable.

Weather was very bad in southern Ontario yesterday.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: Arrow
Posted 2007-11-23 08:57:09 and read 5660 times.



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 9):
The thread refuted that myth. I saw the aircraft in YVR yesterday.

Oops. Guess I stopped reading it too soon. Sorry about that. Why the sudden change in plans?

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: SafetyDemo
Posted 2007-11-23 09:00:04 and read 5645 times.

The number on the plane was something like 621. I briefly got a chance to spot it as the aircraft taxied past on its way to 28R. But I honestly only remember the number on the nosegear door started with a "6" (which they probably all do? The 767s?)

Anyway - thanks for the responses. What a long day for everyone involved!

-safetyDemo

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: CNZ3
Posted 2007-11-23 09:11:37 and read 5619 times.



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 14):
The number on the plane was something like 621. I briefly got a chance to spot it as the aircraft taxied past on its way to 28R. But I honestly only remember the number on the nosegear door started with a "6" (which they probably all do? The 767s?)

621 is C-FVNM, the oldest in the fleet.


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Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: DTWAGENT
Posted 2007-11-23 11:22:23 and read 5484 times.

From what I was able to get on the FAA web site. YYZ was having snow and freezeing rain issues for most of the day. At one point they listed a 4 hour delay in arrival flights because of the weather. But then again it is the goverment web site.....

chuck

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2007-11-23 11:33:06 and read 5453 times.

Jeez,they could have came to ROC. That's alot closer than PIT. Though,I don't think we have any 'heavy' gates for 767's.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: FLYACYYZ
Posted 2007-11-23 12:12:13 and read 5383 times.



Quoting Arrow (Reply 13):
Oops. Guess I stopped reading it too soon. Sorry about that. Why the sudden change in plans?

Think they must need the lift as we head into the busy holiday period as they have stepped up 767-300XM conversions

FINS 641/681/682 will be off line undergoing refurbishment in November &
FINS 637/683/684 will be off line undergoing refurbishment in December.

Of note...these are all ex-CP metal.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: CayMan
Posted 2007-11-23 13:19:24 and read 5021 times.



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 18):
FINS 641/681/682 will be off line undergoing refurbishment in November &
FINS 637/683/684 will be off line undergoing refurbishment in December.

Of note...these are all ex-CP metal.

Good to hear I flew YOW LHR on one of these ex CP 763s recently, by the way service was just great and I had the middle 3 all to myself on an otherwise full flight---but boy that a/c was on its last legs in terms of the interior---BADLY in need of a re-fit.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: Visityyj
Posted 2007-11-23 13:23:38 and read 4991 times.



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 10):
couldn't they have flown at least back to Ottawa (YOW) or onto London (YXU)?

Looking at flightaware it does look at least one of them tried YXU: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA401

My question is why they dispatched them in the first place, surely it didn't deteriorate that badly in the 1-hour window.

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2007-11-23 14:07:43 and read 4689 times.

Why couldnt they go back to YUL or YOW?

It would be quite risky to divert to the USA. What if the plane goes out of service and you have a bunch of Canadian pax with no papers to enter the USA?

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: LongHauler
Posted 2007-11-23 15:03:48 and read 4347 times.



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 21):
Why couldnt they go back to YUL or YOW?

They were not above alternate limits at the time of departure. YXU was barely above limits but is not that well equipped to handle a B767. Close to YYZ, which were also below limits were YHM, BUF, YTR and IAG. PIT was likely only being held as a "technical alternate". Meaning it is required, and legal, but not likely to be used.

YYZ ATC which is running at close to maximum at the best of times, likely had to slow down inbound traffic, and the holding fuel was used up. This is very rare, but does happen. I have held PIT as an alternate for YYZ probably 10 times in the last year, and never had to use it.

Not having a close look at the flight plan, I do see that the aircraft was in the air for over 3:30, which means he was holding a LOT of fuel for a :55 flight. I am sure no one in flight dispatch ever though that holding times in YYZ would get close to 2 hours!!! It happens!

Topic: RE: Air Canada B-767 Diversion To PIT
Username: AndyinPIT
Posted 2007-11-23 17:17:58 and read 3653 times.



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
It's the piece of the nose gear where the tug's tow bar attaches. If the ground crew gets too...enthusiastic...they can damage the towing lug.

Tom.

95% of the ramp works for UA in PIT have 15+ years with the company. So it's not some vendor/scab outfit doing work for $7.00/hr, our guys know what they're doing. The AC 767 had a different tow bar hook up versus our 767's. We've had our widebodies divert in from IAD all the time, with no problem. So we had to borrow a towbar for the right configuration from ASI. After pushback the towbar got wedged against the "lug" and after repeated attempts to get it disconnected, the lug tore away from the nose gear, but only half of it actually tore off. So a world of problems came about. #1. As noted above, Pax could not get off the plane. #2. Since the plane couldnt be towed or pushed, it had to remain out on the ramp, which prompted the fire dept. to dispatch to the scene (disabled aircraft) and #3. Air Canada did NOT want a contract mechanic working on one of their aircraft, at all. So there was a back and forth argument to get this mechanic to saw off the rest of the lug and let the plane get the hell out of there. FINALLY it was able to, and off it went.


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