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Topic: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: 752is
Posted 2007-12-13 23:48:39 and read 10667 times.

About 2 hours ago an Air China 747F wing tip hit a Jetblue A320 tail when taxing in on taxiway CB the A320 had no pax and was parked. The right hand side of the B6 skin on the tail has been ripped off and the 747F wing tip was taken off. Hard to see any more as it's very dark.
Brgds/752is

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Jhooper
Posted 2007-12-13 23:54:12 and read 10655 times.

There was also a close call at JFK between and AA Eagle flight and a 747 cargo plane. JFK is not a place to bring the "B" game.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: SCXmechanic
Posted 2007-12-14 04:56:51 and read 10347 times.

I just happened to be listening to JFK tower on liveatc.net when that incident went down.. The Controller and the AA Eagle female pilot sounded pretty shook up.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Mir
Posted 2007-12-14 05:50:48 and read 10204 times.



Quoting SCXmechanic (Reply 2):
I just happened to be listening to JFK tower on liveatc.net when that incident went down..

When was this?

-Mir

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Mtb555
Posted 2007-12-14 09:53:41 and read 9785 times.



Quoting 752is (Thread starter):
Jetblue A320 tail

I don't know any specific when/where/how details, but the 747 clipped an E190, not an A320.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-14 11:02:31 and read 9603 times.



Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
When was this?

I would also like to know so I could go through the archives and listen to it.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: SCXmechanic
Posted 2007-12-14 12:30:10 and read 8579 times.

Just prior to 3pm local. Not sure of the UTC time but it did make it into the archives as I looked it up and listened to it again to try to figure out what exactally happened. When the incident took place I was working on something and not following it closely but hearing excited voice, I tuned it quite rapidily!

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-14 12:39:25 and read 8411 times.

Quoting SCXmechanic (Reply 6):
Just prior to 3pm local.

On Thursday 12/13?

Edit: Nevermind, found it in the LiveATC.net forums.

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php/topic,3955.0.html

Now trying to find the B6 incident.

[Edited 2007-12-14 12:47:09]

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Levg79
Posted 2007-12-14 17:38:15 and read 5275 times.



Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 4):
I don't know any specific when/where/how details, but the 747 clipped an E190, not an A320.

Is this the first ever incident involving E190?

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: EMBQA
Posted 2007-12-14 17:53:22 and read 5144 times.

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 8):
Is this the first ever incident involving E190?

No..............there have been a few minor 'ramp rash' cases... plus the Aero Republica E190 that went off the end of a rumway this summer. I have not seen any pictures, but I'm sure I will in the next few days.

[Edited 2007-12-14 18:13:46]

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: GateHold
Posted 2007-12-14 18:08:21 and read 5013 times.

I hope it wasn't a language issue --- ignoring an ATC instruction or the like. I'm based at JFK, and Air China crews are the arguably the worst when it comes to radio phraseology. They often read back the wrong instructions, or other times don't read back anything at all. Hate to say it, but it's true.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Sh0rtybr0wn
Posted 2007-12-14 18:13:30 and read 4972 times.

Nothing will be done until 2 planes crash. Remember all the people calling for strengthening the levees in New Orleans for years and years. Then Katrina, and only after that major wake-up call, then they rebuild them. but it was too late.

Its just human nature. Most people think : "Why spend the money when things work fine now ( without a horrible crash at JFK lately )"

If traffic is up 40% at JFK since 2001, theres a clear need for the government to straighten JFK out now. Whether that means another runway, or imposing new limits , or more ATC people and newer technology ATC tools -- whatever. The federal government has to step up and get this done.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Gregarious119
Posted 2007-12-15 13:42:44 and read 2393 times.

Anyone else having trouble getting to the archives on liveatc?

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: CoolGuy
Posted 2007-12-15 21:10:23 and read 2172 times.



Quoting GateHold (Reply 10):
I hope it wasn't a language issue --- ignoring an ATC instruction or the like. I'm based at JFK, and Air China crews are the arguably the worst when it comes to radio phraseology. They often read back the wrong instructions, or other times don't read back anything at all. Hate to say it, but it's true.

Was that the airline with the pilots who just couldn't read instructions back correctly, and the tower had to keep arguing with them? It was on the news. You know what I'm talking about.

Topic: RE: JFK Incident 12/14
Username: Mir
Posted 2007-12-15 22:30:40 and read 2105 times.



Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 13):
Was that the airline with the pilots who just couldn't read instructions back correctly, and the tower had to keep arguing with them? It was on the news. You know what I'm talking about.

Air China? Yes.

-Mir


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