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Topic: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: B7X7
Posted 2007-12-31 12:03:10 and read 3975 times.

First of all I would like to wish all A Netters a Happy and Healthy New Year.

With that said, what does 2008, have to bring the aviation industry??
We will have the first flight and hopefully first delivery of the B787,
More A380 to be delivered and hopefully more orders
More definition on the A350, and hopefully a 2nd engine choice
The B777F comes out next year.
Some more information on the B737RS and the A320R/S
Will the A350 keep eating into the B777, or will it have another wonderful year.
Can the A320 and B737 continue to have Strong sales

And of course lots and lots of new orders, from the likes of, AA, UA, DL, LH, AF/KL, , ,

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: 4everRC
Posted 2007-12-31 12:11:27 and read 3966 times.

An ocean of red tails to ATL...


 duck   stirthepot 

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2007-12-31 12:13:28 and read 3965 times.



Quoting B7X7 (Thread starter):
With that said, what does 2008, have to bring the aviation industry??

I'm hoping not much consolidation.

Quoting B7X7 (Thread starter):
We will have the first flight and hopefully first delivery of the B787,
More A380 to be delivered and hopefully more orders
More definition on the A350, and hopefully a 2nd engine choice
The B777F comes out next year.
Some more information on the B737RS and the A320R/S
Will the A350 keep eating into the B777, or will it have another wonderful year.
Can the A320 and B737 continue to have Strong sales

Hope the 797 gets delivered. Don't want Boeing ending up like Airbus. I don't think we should expect too many more A380 orders soon. Airlines are in enough financial problems as it is. The A350 God only knows what will happen with that aircraft. Really excited for the B777f it is a nice aircraft that will hopefully do well. A350 right now isn't touching the 777. I believe the A320 will be a little stronger than the 737 but I guess we'll have to see! Thats my  twocents  .
Blue

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: JetBlueAUS
Posted 2007-12-31 12:15:49 and read 3961 times.



Quoting B7X7 (Thread starter):
With that said, what does 2008, have to bring the aviation industry??

Maybe a merger?

Also - hoping for a plan that helps cancel out a lot of the airport congestion.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Pilotboi
Posted 2007-12-31 12:24:12 and read 3938 times.



Quoting 4everRC (Reply 1):
An ocean of red tails to ATL...

That's what I'm looking forward to the most.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: HA_DC9
Posted 2007-12-31 12:52:28 and read 3904 times.

1. HA will finalize aquisition agreements for A330 & A350.
2. 787 first flight.
3. A350 design frozen.
4. Mesa files Chapter 11.  stirthepot 
5. UA bails out AQ by aquiring them.  stirthepot 
6. NW/DL merger announced.  stirthepot 
7. 787/A350 orders from the US legacies.  stirthepot 
8. WN/ATA merger announced.  stirthepot 


Have a safe and happy new year everyone!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: B747forever
Posted 2007-12-31 12:56:56 and read 3893 times.



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 5):
6. NW/DL merger announced.

Will be interesting to see if you have right!!!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: DL767captain
Posted 2007-12-31 13:20:30 and read 3863 times.

I think the biggest thing we will see in 2008 is a US order. DL will need to place a 787 order along with AA. UA is a wild card though, they are pretty strong with the 777 so i don't think they would order the A350 until they talked to boeing about a 777NG, so i could definately see them ordering the 787 as a 767 replacement. But i really can't wait to hear what boeing and airbus have to say about the 737 and A320 replacement, it seems like they are really waiting more for new engines before fully committing to the project.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: LDIkaros
Posted 2007-12-31 18:40:59 and read 3760 times.

My guesses:

1.) At least one merger between major carriers

2.) Two smaller players go belly-up (Skybus & a carrier from Hawaii)

3.) Higher ticket prices due to record fuel prices

4.) Finally some new plane orders from the big guys (AA, DL?)

5.) More delays ...

6.) Some carriers improve their service when they realize that people are willing to pay for it

7.) LH goes on a buying spree  Big grin

Ok, the last two points are wishful thinking but who knows?

Happy New Year!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2007-12-31 18:47:02 and read 3752 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Airlines are in enough financial problems as it is

 Confused  Confused  Confused

In the US maybe. The big European Airlines are going to announce record profits, and I don't think the large Asian Airlines are doing badly either.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2007-12-31 18:56:28 and read 3736 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Hope the 797 gets delivered.

What the hell is the 797?

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Don't want Boeing ending up like Airbus

Which would be what? Airbus had some issues... The delays are over and they are building a/c and taking orders?

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
I don't think we should expect too many more A380 orders soon.

Doubtful... We said that in the summer and they got BA & AR to buy. I would say CI and AI would look strongly at buying a few each.

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Airlines are in enough financial problems as it is.

Really so SQ, BA, CX, LH, AF are hurting? Problems are only at NW is all honest which are still in bankruptcy protection.

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
A350 right now isn't touching the 777

Then why are carriers ordering it?

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2007-12-31 21:21:09 and read 3676 times.



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Good post, agree 100%.

But let's give the kid a break, he obviously doesnt know what he's talking about  Wink

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: N104UA
Posted 2007-12-31 21:29:57 and read 3662 times.



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 5):
UA bails out AQ by aquiring them.

Don't see this happening

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 5):
787/A350 orders from the US legacies

I could see only the legacies going with the 787 IMO

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: A380US
Posted 2007-12-31 21:32:12 and read 3655 times.



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Hope the 797 gets delivered.

What the hell is the 797?

i think they might want to design it first.... unless there is something you want to tell us?

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: WN230
Posted 2007-12-31 22:59:35 and read 3608 times.



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 5):
1. HA will finalize aquisition agreements for A330 & A350.
2. 787 first flight.
3. A350 design frozen.
4. Mesa files Chapter 11. stirthepot
5. UA bails out AQ by aquiring them. stirthepot
6. NW/DL merger announced. stirthepot
7. 787/A350 orders from the US legacies. stirthepot
8. WN/ATA merger announced. stirthepot


Oh, I see, ur a comedian, eh?  Wink Personally, I'm looking forward to the 787's first flight.


Just want to wish everyone here in the United States and worldwide a happy and prosperous new year.
 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 


WN230

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Trekster
Posted 2007-12-31 23:23:57 and read 3584 times.

MAJOR change in terminal operations at LHR for carriers.

Terminal 5 opening and a fresh new start HOPEFULLY for the BA operation.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Nycbjr
Posted 2008-01-01 00:14:07 and read 3555 times.

happy new year everyone.. I want to see a safe an prosperous new year.. and $50 a barrel again  Smile otherwise.. 787 flying and happy is great... delta maintaining its upward climb in the ranks (and maybe an aircraft order). less delays in NYC, but not higher (majorly) ticket prices..

brett

cheers!!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Af773atmsp
Posted 2008-01-01 10:00:12 and read 3413 times.

My predictions for Minnesota aviation:

1. a foreign carrier starts service to MSP (BA, LH, AM, AF?)  pray 

2. NW announces replacement for DC-9s and 742F's

3. a carrier starts service to DLH (Duluth, MN)

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Floorrunner
Posted 2008-01-01 10:28:26 and read 3391 times.

Some kind of consolidation will take place. I believe things will be sold off in pieces from the struggling carriers, to help them concentrate on what's working for them.

Southwest will announce another profitable year and they will probably have a few surprise announcements for us.

Skybus will make some radical changes to their business model or go bust.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-01-01 10:36:03 and read 3372 times.



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):
What the hell is the 797?

Sorry I made a mistake.
Blue

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: PavlovsDog
Posted 2008-01-01 10:57:53 and read 3331 times.

I made a similar thread here yesterday which was quickly banished to Polls and Preferences where it withered and died.

I predicted:

1. JetBlue will be purchased- The buyer will be UA who, combined with LH's remaining share, give Star Alliance a presence in the Big Apple and secures them valuable slots in prior to the inevitability at JFK.

2. The C-Series will be launched, much to the chagrin of A-Netters, by NW who go for 80 frames.

3. Olympic Airways will finally be liquidated when the EU says no more to the Greek Government. AF/KLM pick up the pieces and get themselves a top-modern hub in the Eastern Meditteranean.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: VictorKilo
Posted 2008-01-01 11:23:26 and read 3285 times.

1. There will be no mergers of major airlines in the USA, either legacy or LCC.

2. NK will sell their ACY, DTW, and ORD operations to B6.

3. YV will file for Chapter 11, and will reject many CRJ/ERJ leases, causing an overall reduction in 50 seat capacity in the US market. YV will withdrawal from Hawaii and the CRJ-200 ops for UA.

4. The YV, F8, MQ, and OW certificates will be owned by four different owners at the end of 2008. One of them will be Republic, who will move their AA flying to either the MQ or OW cert. One of the others will be XE, who will use either the YV or F8 cert to add 70+ seat flying to their business.

5. XE will continue to operate their branded flying in the west. XE will continue to operate the Eastern routes, but under the DL express brand, which will grow to include routes from RDU that can no longer be flown by MQ due to the AA scope clause.

6. QX will purchase the entire SAS fleet of Q400's, and will completely replace all MQ flying out of LAX.

7. AQ will be sold to MatlinPatterson. All mainland-to-HI flying will be transferred to TZ. AQ will purchase Sukoi Superjets to replae their intraisland 732 fleet.

8. SY will be sold to WN. DL will pick up the 738 fleet.

9. The MD90 fleet from SV will be purchased by NW, who will use the fleet to help retire their DC9's.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Womack17
Posted 2008-01-01 11:28:33 and read 3273 times.

With regard to the numerous mention of mergers, I want to propose two questions for any opinion you guys might have...

When looking at all of the commercial airlines serving North America, which two airlines have the best compatibility with regard to route map, aircraft/engine type, passenger loyalty, etc.?


Also, which of the rumored mergers would have the most difficulty staying solvent?


Looking forward to some animated discussion on these questions.


Happy 2008!! - Womack17

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: A380US
Posted 2008-01-01 12:24:17 and read 3215 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 19):


Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):
What the hell is the 797?

Sorry I made a mistake.
Blue

and you got my hopes up
 cheerful   cheerful 

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: RIX
Posted 2008-01-01 14:46:42 and read 3124 times.

787-10 frozen. Either HGW with prospects of future stretch, or, if still "light" (a large market by itself), but then serious considerations of proper successor of 777 (while 777 had another strong year, "wait and see" won't work much longer, as 350 is a real thing now).

More VLA sales (new 748I customers, anyone  Smile?), but VLA will still stay a niche market.

More about bio-fuel. If a breakthrough, then more than just new fuel source on a horizon, but radical changes in whole world economy, when oil suddenly is not a wealth foundation anymore.

More about Aerion. May be, first serious discussion of airliner version (they were already talking about 30-seats stretch).

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Carpethead
Posted 2008-01-01 16:21:08 and read 3073 times.

- Mitsubishi RJ gets launched.

- Oil goes over $100 barrel - still record profits at European and Asian majors.

-Sorry to be pessimistic but the 787 will fly this year but not delivered until 2009.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Scrumpy492003
Posted 2008-01-01 18:01:21 and read 3128 times.

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL,

I figure a couple more International carriers to Canada - Emirates are coming to Calgary, Lufthansa I think too, and I would like to see a Chinese or Japanese Carrier to Calgary regularly instead of just Summer charters.

I don't think any major Canadian Carriers going under, a couple of smaller (very much smaller) ones in difficulty, perhaps even Porter Air!!

Both Westjet and Air Canada are in the process of having new A/C delivered, so expansion there!

Down South,
You guys are predicting mergers and closures, perhaps the shortage of crew may make the decision easier for the closures, realizing that real money has to be paid to keep the crews around!!

Service sells, electronic gadgets in seats also, BUT I only go for the service - and a book or looking out of the window!!

Once again,

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL,

Peter

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: SFOQQAA
Posted 2008-01-01 18:28:14 and read 3102 times.

What a fun post! Let me give it a try.

1. AA/BA try again for Anti-Trust immunity.
2. JFK fix doesn't work! 2008 summer of hell in New York!
3. VX announces new destinations (MIA, SLC, BOS)
4. DL retools LAX operation and drops several routes
5. FL grows MKE substantially
6. Several Oneworld and AA partner carriers at JFK (IB, QF, MX, CX?) relocate to AA's new Terminal.
7. AA pulls down STN to one flight a day (thanks to the bankruptcy of MaxJet)

Here's my wildest prediction for 2008.

Open Skies will cause some of the legacy carriers to rethink their LHR operations. I can see UA selling a few slots to LH and redeploying aircraft to other profitable routes (maybe increases in Asian markets). I can also see AA doing the same thing with BA if they finally get antitrust immunity.

Let the games begin! Happy 2008 to all of you!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: R2rho
Posted 2008-01-02 06:27:47 and read 2954 times.

Quite a few first flights to look forward to!

- Sukhoi Superjet - soon?
- B787 - march
- ARJ21 - march
- A400M - summer 2008?

[Edited 2008-01-02 06:28:21]

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2008-01-02 08:18:31 and read 2869 times.

I think one of the biggest things that will happen in 2008 will be oil hitting $100/barrel. If it sustains at this level, there will be fundamental changes in the entire industry. Virtually all US (and any other non-governmental subsidized carrier) will have to swiftly adapt to the new cost structure. We would see a draw down in smaller cities - even those with EAS subsidies. Ambitious growth plans would be slowed, halted. Bankruptcies would increase. Not to paint a pessimistic year, but as long as oil continues to increase, the profit margins will be thin or non-existent. Consolidation is also likely, but in an effort to reduce flying, streamline fleets, increase revenue by using less resources - not build a series of mega-hubs.

AA will have an even tougher year as they face skyrocketing oil with hostile union negotiations.

Hopefully oil will stabilize, but the days of $40/barrel et al are long gone.

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: N839MH
Posted 2008-01-02 09:55:59 and read 2777 times.

2008...oil has just hit the $100 level....probably going to go up another $20-30 by the end of of the year.

DL buys UA, sells the DEN and IAD operations to other Skyteam airlines....just a hunch!

Maybe then CO & NW....

oh the speculation of what might happen...who knows!

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: SlcDeltaRUmd11
Posted 2008-01-02 21:25:48 and read 2596 times.

magic ball shows........ DL changes/shrinks LAX and several more routes go into the history books, VX will announce some new routes MIA sounds good, Port Authority reductions do little and delays are even worse for EWR and JFK in 2008  Sad, DL announces SLC-LGW/LHR, UA adds flights at LAX, B6 annouces a new western focus city, DL cancells a few of the new jfk-europe routes, new service at ACY, DL leaves TTN

Topic: RE: Happy New Year! What's To Come In 2008
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-01-03 11:53:04 and read 2479 times.



Quoting A380US (Reply 23):
and you got my hopes up

Sorry bout that. I was kind of thinking about when Boeing would start discussing that one when I wrote it.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 30):
DL buys UA, sells the DEN and IAD operations to other Skyteam airlines

That would be very niice! as Borat would say. And then B6 would be safe!  crossfingers 
Blue


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