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Topic: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-08 09:59:10 and read 6825 times.

Hello folks and welcome to the second installment of all things Irish and aeronautical for this year.

There's a lot to look forward to and I see today that SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB, so hopefully other carriers will follow suit. I'm sure EI and FR will also be adding more flights. Incidentally, does anyone know when the two (?) new Aer Lingus A320s are due for delivery; I think it's April and May, but not 100% sure. We should also be hearing about EI's new fleet plan soon, which will hopefully mean some interesting new developments - possibly A319s?

It's good to see RE moving towards jet operations, albeit slowly ... it's good to take things softly softly; it's a big more for what is still a relatively small carrier, so let's hope it goes well for them. If they are seriously thinking about jet ops from GWY, surely the runway there will need to be extended?

Thanks, Brian Dromey, for confirming the position in relation to runway extensions (vis a vis planning) - unfortunately, very much as feared and I think the likely time to have this in place means it's pretty much a non-runner; once again, we're stuffed. Not exactly a new sensation for Irish aviation.

However, let's keep our sunny side up ... there's new developments, new growth and hopefully new carriers to come ...

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Neutral
Posted 2008-01-08 10:04:05 and read 6822 times.

As always a good start to the thread,does anyone know the year end traffic figures for Dublin it was due to come in around 23.2 Million ?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-08 10:05:41 and read 6822 times.

Just to carry on from the last thread.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
EI in its current form would be incapacble of attracting any but the lowest yield pax. They just dont have the hard product to do so.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
Ireland has many thing to offer, but lets not kid ourselves an world class airport/airline experience is not one of them.

I agree with you but isn't this the attitude we have been talking about, just because currently neither are capable of achieving the things Ireland needs doesn't mean they should just sit back and say "oh well it's never going to happen" Aer Lingus certainly hasn't done that, they are investing in the future and looking ahead. There are few things with EI we don't like such as the Gold Circle Club and the lack of cabin upgrades but in the long run is it all that important to the future of EI and Ireland?

I think the same can be said for the DAA and as Brian said, the runway extension will probably be completed by 2011 which is right in the time frame of the new runway becoming operational (2010-2012) so there wouldn't have been much point to have two runways for a few flights a week. I can see FR kicking up a fuss as well if the runway were to be extended because it would have been pointless.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
When one compares the product of the likes of LX and EI there is no comparison.

That's no surprise, one is a full service/high fare airline (as Ryanair would call them) and the other is a no frills/low fare airline.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-08 10:19:54 and read 6808 times.



Quoting Neutral (Reply 1):
As always a good start to the thread,does anyone know the year end traffic figures for Dublin it was due to come in around 23.2 Million ?

Haven't heard any specific figures, but I'd expect it to be around that; ORK has been announced and I guess SNN and DUB should be coming soon; I'll be particularly interested to see long haul figures - US and ME, as well as freight figures too. The DAA is very slow on the latter.

I just wanted to refer to COEI's post at the end of the last thread:

I agree completely with what you say; I flew to SNN and back on 'DUZ at the end of last month/year; it was like being on two different airlines, compared to the older aircraft. It just looks great - new, modern and a nice place to spend 7 or 8 hours. It would make such a difference to get a consistent service; surely that should not be too much to ask for. Given that DM was hired (partly) on the basis of his experience with a long haul carrier and with a view to developing long haul links, I'm really disappointed in this ... Basically, with the two new aircraft, you have the older aircraft (-300s and -200s) which have no PTV at all, one aircraft (DAA) with an older system and two with a brand new one; it just seems very scattered and inconsistent.

I agree that there is no chance of a J Class on short haul, BUT I do think, very strongly, that DUB can make it as an effective hub, particularly if it gets a deal going with RE; between the two of them, they should be able to work out waves of flights, maybe even split some routes between them (i.e EI operates a morning flight with 320s, RE the afternoon, with E70s) ...

Having come through DUB on a connecting flight last month, I didn't find it too bad; you can now connect airside - walking up towards the C pier; it's a pity there's no escalator and it is a bit of a trek, with a narrow corridor. The airport itself is really not a bad place to spend some time; buy a nice Butlers hot choccie and sit down at a computer for a while, then have a look around. There are far worse airports to connect through, in my experience.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-08 10:46:41 and read 6798 times.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
will probably be completed by 2011 which is right in the time frame of the new runway becoming operational (2010-2012)

I have to point out that this is only if they started it pretty much immediately when they got planning permission particularly as this was delayed many times. construction hasn't started yet and the DAA hasn't indicated when it will start the 2nd runway.

[Edited 2008-01-08 10:47:35]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-08 11:00:18 and read 6778 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 4):
I have to point out that this is only if they started it pretty much immediately when they got planning permission particularly as this was delayed many times. construction hasn't started yet and the DAA hasn't indicated when it will start the 2nd runway.

That's true, the 2010-2012 date was announced quite a while ago and it must be heading towards 2012/13.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: DavecFlyer
Posted 2008-01-08 11:11:40 and read 6766 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB

I had not heard about this. Do you have the details?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-08 11:12:05 and read 6766 times.

I always thought the runway was to be operational by about 2012, so when I checked the DAA website, the date given was 2010-12; I don't know where the 2010 came from! I always thought it was going to be 2012-14 at the earliest.

If there is a significant further delay, I think strong consideration should be given to extending the existing runway; most of the long haul flights (except the 1700 departure to JFK and the EY departures) leave during the day, so it should be possible to have the runway available for extension from say 2100 to about 0700 every morning; landing flights could still use the shorter runway, subject to wind conditions.

Anyway, we could be discussing this for a month of Sundays and nothing's likely to come of it, so we might as well move on and discuss what else can't be done!

I'd like to know what's the story with the EI 330 at IAD; what exactly happened and why is it there for so long (and which one is it). Apparently, North American operated a 763 for EI on that route to cover for the sick 330.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-08 11:14:46 and read 6765 times.



Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 6):
I had not heard about this. Do you have the details?

I just happened to see a reference to this on another aviation site (which I'm not allowed to name!) ... not quite sure what the increase is, but they operate the route already, so probably a second daily service. I'll try and find out more and revert.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 11:25:07 and read 6751 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
That's no surprise, one is a full service/high fare airline

Sorry have to disagree with you there !!! LX is a high service Low fares airline. Y class fares from DUB-ATH and many other European cities can be got for EUR 56 plus taxes . You get good service and comfortable A/C. You also get free food and drink. At one stage they scrapped free food in Y class but brought it back. Why cant the LX model work in EI??

Overhead drop down screens on all A320's where they show short movies and even small Ad's for special fares and new routes etc... Why cant EI do this ??? On a DUB-ATH / LPA of a flight time of over 4 hours it would be good to have. Swiss show Tom and Jerry and a funny Canadian wind up shows that do not need sound so no problems with headphones or the expense of changing the seats. They do all this whilst making a profit and exceeding passengers expectations.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: DavecFlyer
Posted 2008-01-08 11:27:49 and read 6745 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
I just happened to see a reference to this on another aviation site (which I'm not allowed to name!) ... not quite sure what the increase is, but they operate the route already, so probably a second daily service. I'll try and find out more and revert.

They already operate 6 days a week (except Saturday) as it is so it might just be a full daily service. A few years ago this route was twice daily operated by Skyways ERJ145's under SK flight numbers AFAIK.

Anyway, its always good to hear of increases.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-08 11:46:22 and read 6727 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):

Sorry have to disagree with you there !!! LX is a high service Low fares airline. Y class fares from DUB-ATH and many other European cities can be got for EUR 56 plus taxes .

Fair enough that's a great fare. What's the average fare on LX?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Overhead drop down screens on all A320's where they show short movies and even small Ad's for special fares and new routes etc... Why cant EI do this ???

It would cost money and add weight to the aircraft that really isn't needed. Aer Lingus is a low cost airline keeping fares low by keeping frills minimal. I wouldn't like to be working for EI while all the cost cuts are going through to find they are adding fancy screens showing a map and a few shows but claiming they must save €20 million this year.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-08 11:46:51 and read 6727 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
today that SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB, so hopefully other carriers will follow suit

Come on EI, we are waiting on you here at ARN!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: F1eddie
Posted 2008-01-08 12:17:15 and read 6697 times.

http://www.johnholland.com.au/Docume...Melbourne+widening+works+completed

Why cant we build like this. Melbourne airport widened its runway by 7.5meters on each side to accommodate the A380 and they got it completed in 29days without closing the runway. So where theres a heart, theres a way.

In regards to DUB being a hub. It sort of already does this. On my delta flight there was a couple behind me and they were using DUB as a hub. Dont know where they were going though or who with. Has this not been said before as well with ppl on EI connecting onto other destinations with EI. Oh yeah i also saw those signs for the connecting passengers.
In regards to EI not being as good as european carriers i may have to agree with this. But compared to American carriers we could beat them hands down if they upgraded the Transatlantic A/C. Deltas planes which flew us over and back were not that great. The staff we nice, bar two, but they were in there 40s and plus so no young staff (no vibrant feel off them). Then the domestic part of the flight the only thing we got more than EI was a free drink and some peanuts. Oh and a TV screen above us which i think is not really necessary on flights sub three hours. In regards to the TV screens though it was a 767 which must be used on busy timings and routes so im not sure if this is a constant thing throughout deltas network. Had a quick look in on the domestic business class and i have to say i was not that impressed with it. It was 2.2.2 so seats must have been wider but they did not look it ( I wonder is it like cars where the bigger the car, the bigger the seats and less internal room). They did have slightly more leg room, PTVS and free bar.
EIs european network A/C are perfect and new, so just improve the Transatlantic A/C and i think they could work as a good airline to connect PPL through DUB. Also who is to say ten years down the road, EI may be much bigger and willing to rejoin oneworld or something similar. I also think the DAA will do a good job on the airport and i think we will have a good facility soon enough.

Sure who said thirty years ago Ireland would be thriving like we are now, so lets keep the glass half full in regards to the airport and EI....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 12:45:49 and read 6672 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 11):
What's the average fare on LX?

Well those fares seem to be available alot of the time all year round. And those Business class specials in Dec/Jan are excellent way of generating extra revenue when yields are low.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-08 12:45:53 and read 6673 times.

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):

Sure who said thirty years ago Ireland would be thriving like we are now, so lets keep the glass half full in regards to the airport and EI....

Couldn't agree more!

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):
Also who is to say ten years down the road, EI may be much bigger and willing to rejoin oneworld or something similar.

Hopefully RE and B6 will be just the start of many more partnerships Aer Lingus will form of the next few years. So who knows, maybe they will start their own alliance group

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):

Well those fares seem to be available alot of the time all year round. And those Business class specials in Dec/Jan are excellent way of generating extra revenue when yields are low.

Oh right sounds like they offer some good fares and great service to go with it.

[Edited 2008-01-08 12:58:59]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-08 13:05:17 and read 6655 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 15):
Hopefully RE and B6 will be just the start of many more partnerships Aer Lingus will form of the next few years.

I think that deal is going to be very successful, and replicated all around the world. Can you imagine landing in JFK on a B6 flight and hearing

"Welcome to New York's John F Kennedy airport, please remain seated until we have arrived at the gate and the captain has switched off the fasten seat belt sign. Cell phones are now permitted for use. From JetBlue and all the crew on this flight we thank you for flying JetBlue we look forward to seeing you all soon also remember you can now book flights direct to Ireland and Europe with Aer Lingus through the JetBlue's website from over 40 destinations in the US".

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 13:10:24 and read 6651 times.

BTW just some feedback from a Ex: colleague of mine at OA who flew LHR-DUB-JFK a few weeks back. They said that the new A320 with leather seats was really nice. They hoped for DUO or DUZ for the onward flight but didn't get it and said the aircraft was showing its age . The crew on all flights were very good and the transit experience ......wait for it ..... was great LOL.... Also said that the Irish people around the airport at the shops and duty free etc.... were very friendly and helpful and that I was lucky to live in Ireland !!! LOL.... so there you go .... some good feedback. Shame about the old A330's but in a few years that will all be over thank god. The food was just ok on the DUB-JFK flights but the food from JFK-DUB was quite good. Must be good catering in JFK !!! They said that on the return they were thinking of asking me to meet them for coffee in Dublin airport but thought it would be too early at 6am !! Damn right guys LOL.....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-08 13:27:10 and read 6637 times.

Just operated DUB-JFK in last week and there were at least 14 pax transiting onwards with Jetblue. While they had not been able to book on one ticket I think it shows that the two business models suit a link up. Its not a lot but it is a start considering that JetBlue would not have a big PR footprint here.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 13:46:49 and read 6622 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 18):
While they had not been able to book on one ticket I think it shows that the two business models suit a link up

I think the whole Jetblue thing is being over hyped to be honest . EI currently have link ups with UA and AA and have done for years. If you call up EI or go to an agent they can sell you cheap through tickets to any point in the USA and Canada. Jet Blue will be a good addition but its not going to be the best thing since sliced bread. What about thru check and thru boarding pass issuing??? This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket for example. I await the updated thru booking on the EI website but I have my doubts. Its just another airline partner like they have with AA UA etc.... The funny thing is though is that when passengers do do EI/B6 they will fly on an A330 with no PTV's then get on an A320 with the full works !!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-08 14:01:39 and read 6605 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I think the whole Jetblue thing is being over hyped to be honest

I don't think so, with the amount of bookings that are done online these days I think it's a great idea and I think it will work. How many travel agents have you seen in the US? What percentage of EI's bookings are done through the website?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
What about thru check and thru boarding pass issuing??? This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket for example.

Ok but these are not on the website and that is the way forward I believe. Ireland still hasn't fully realised the use of the internet although we are getting there soon. Thats coming with someone with a background in IT.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
The funny thing is though is that when passengers do do EI/B6 they will fly on an A330 with no PTV's then get on an A320 with the full works !!!

I know I thought that too, moving from B6 to EI will be a let down, maybe B6 can put pressure on EI to improve some of the cabins. I have to concede one thing to you though OA260, I think you may be right about having to enter the credit card information twice.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 14:28:48 and read 6582 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 20):
What percentage of EI's bookings are done through the website?

What % of travel agents and tour operators book their clients on EI.com??? Quite a bit judging by the latest figures and actions !!

Ok ok I was saving this for a situation just like now LOL.......and here goes !!!

Why has Aer Lingus just signed an agreement with Travelport ( Galileo ) to offer ALL their USA internet fares back to the Tour Operators and Travel agents ??? I kid you not guys !!! All cheapo W class fares now bookable at a Tour Operator or Travel Agent near you  Big grin However you will still pay a small booking fee but if you dont have a credit card then I guess its worth it. Sure you pay it to ticketmaster and such like so you takes your choice !!!

The reality is that Aer Lingus are growing at such a rate that they have looked at their figures and seen that the Tour Operators and Travel Agents are still a significant chunk of their business. They still need the help of the trade to fill those seats !! BTW did I tell you American Holidays have just signed an agreement with EI for a package holiday brochure to MCO !!! Also Royal Caribbean cruise lines have signed a deal for Nett ...yes Nett fares to connect to their cruise ships in BCN for Summer 2008 .....wait wait it gets better , EI are considering releasing back their European fares into Tour Operator and Travel Agents computer systems !! Hmmm full circle me thinks  scratchchin 


A very good friend of mine who works as a agent in Belfast has said that EI has also approached the trade to sell their new BFS fares through agents in Belfast !!! The travel trade in NI is still very influential and EI needs all the help it can get with its new base.

I posted an article a few threads back when EI offered Nett fares to the trade on its IAD route!!! Thats was only the start by the looks of things. The internet will only go so far in this country the rest will come from tour operators and agents that know how to offer a good service and product .

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-08 14:43:20 and read 6573 times.

ok so most travel agents now book through the EI website? I didn't know that.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-08 15:21:09 and read 6555 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 22):
ok so most travel agents now book through the EI website? I didn't know that.

Well from the figures I saw and EI acknowledged its around the 25-30% mark !! Not huge but not to be sniffed at. If their sales fell 30% I'm sure alarm bells would sound. When EI went to the Dot com club they cut alot of bridges and then the loyalty that they once enjoyed went to DL AA CO US for USA and BD BA LH AF SK LX etc... for Europe. I think actually its a good thing as EI had the monopoly with its top 50 agents program . Now the other airlines have been able to strike up relationships and get their share also.

EI want to mend bridges with Tour Operators and the trade in general but they also want a different relationship than the 9% commission they once paid. Now they like most others pay 0% commission but they must realise they have to fight for business from the trade like their rivals . They wont get any special preference this time round. There is no difference between FR and EI when it comes to the trade selling a ticket these days. I had a really good conversation with two counter staff travel agents when I was on the BFS inaugural and I asked them their feelings . They said they dont have any preference in what airline they sell. They just want to offer the best fare and best product for their clients needs.

You used to walk into a travel agent and all they shoved at you was Aer Lingus. Now you get more choice. Thats one reason I'm glad they scrapped the top 50 and commission. It made the agents look else where and realise there were other and often better products.

EI think that because they are in Ireland they will be supported ....those days are gone now . DUB-FRA EI or LH doesnt matter to an agent these days !!!

Many agents have evolved and met the challenge with their own websites and technology for online bookings . One company in Dublin set up a fantastic tool which searches all LCC's and set up accounts for agents which enabled them to book quickly and cost effective ways to offer their clients dot.com bookings without having to enter CC details. This company in Dublin just bills them at the end of every month for all the bookings they did!!! You should see the EI figures from that company !!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-08 16:02:39 and read 6536 times.

Had a look at the UK CAA stats for November to see how the regional routes are competing in the west given last years RE/FR expansion and plans for RE jets in 08. It's just a quick estimation based on published information so don't flame me if I've missed something. Surprised by RE figures, yields can't be great given FR can afford to undercut and sit on poor performing routes, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more FR routes from SNN & NOC given all the new aircraft needing homes. 2008 is looking like an important year for RE.

SNN – BRS FR- B738 6 71%
SNN – EMA FR- B738 7 52%
SNN – EDI FR- B738 4 60%
SNN – LBA FR- B738 3 33%
SNN – MAN FR- B738 4 67%
SNN – BHX FR- B738 6 50%

GWY – NCL RE- ATR72 3 74%
GWY – EDI RE- ATR72 5 70%
GWY – LTN RE- ATR72 18 68%
GWY – MAN RE- ATR72 11 55%
GWY – BRS RE- ATR72 4 19% route closed
GWY – LBA RE- ATR72 4 38% route closed
GWY – SOU BE- D8-400 4 31% not sure if restricted pax

NOC – STN FR- B738 7 90%
NOC – LTN FR- B738 7 82%
NOC – EMA FR- B738 4 54%
NOC – BRS FR- B738 4 41%
NOC – BHX WW- B735 6 83%
NOC – MAN WW- B735 7 79%
NOC – GLA WW- B735 3 NA
NOC – LGW XL- B738 6 NA

SLG – MAN RE- ATR72 4 39%
CFN – PIK RE- ATR42 3 50%

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI2KSEA
Posted 2008-01-08 16:21:04 and read 6525 times.

Just arrived back to BOS on Sunday on the new A332 (DUO?). I originally booked DUB-BOS nstead of SNN-BOS in the hope we might get it and despite the online seat map hinting at one of the older A332's I wasnt disappointed. The aircraft is a super addition. The IFE, inflight service and food was excellent and I really must say the overall product felt very polished. Talking to one of the cabin crew, they said it was great to work on as you got a lot less service-calls from passengers. We were moved from the back of the forward Y cabin to the emergency row seat at the front of the rear cabin. Awesome amount of room without the restricting square box of the emergency chute I noticed in thesame seat on one of the A333's last year (it appears to be much more compact on the new aircraft). Unfortunately the IFE on my fellow passenger's seat didnt work despite repeated resets (the crew were v.good and kept coming back to see if it had remedied itself). We survived between iPods and laptops I can see how troublesome it must be for crew's to have to deal with some disgruntled passengers irate at their misfortune of having a broken unit at their seat. My other observation was the unusual decision to choose 2 pin headphone sockets in the armrests - it basically means most passengers cannot use their own headphones without losing sound in one earphone. I think the older aircraft have standard single pin sockets.

The service all in all was excellent and at the complete opposite end of the spectrum compared to the inbound A333 BOS-SNN flight which had a seemingly seriously disgruntled crew. The service, food and general procedures on the flight seemed very poor (leaving all cabin lights on for the duration of the flight for instance led to a few angry kerfuffles between crew and passengers with the crew claiming that the lights were on due to FAA regulations and could not be lowered(?????)). I noticed that the new seat designs on the aircraft werent wearing very well and quite simply looked filthy. One possible bonus on the old covers was that it covered stains well! I will wait until next month to do a trip report when I should have a camera for my next flight.

Happy New Year All - as always the Irish Aviation thread is hugely interesting for an emigrant like myself!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-08 16:23:59 and read 6661 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
If there is a significant further delay, I think strong consideration should be given to extending the existing runway;

But the problem is that any extension will run into the same planning delays.
Is the market really there for another asian hub? Yes EY are doing well, but their fares are cheap. I think that the large asian airlines would offer a service via a hub if the market were really there. SIN/BKK-VIE/ARN(etc)-DUB or something like that. EK are launching the likes of NCL ahead of DUB, why? Someone at these airlines is crunching the numbers and saying no. For a middle east airline the runway length at DUB with 330s would not be an issue. Something is up.

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):
EIs european network A/C are perfect and new, so just improve the Transatlantic A/C and i think they could work as a good airline to connect PPL through DUB. Also who is to say ten years down the road, EI may be much bigger and willing to rejoin oneworld or something similar.

Dont get me wrong, the EI product is not bad at all in Europe. But if EI are serious about being a global carrier with a large transfer operation, and there is currently 0 evidence to support this, they need to offer something else than price. But for the Irish O&D market it works fine.

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):
I also think the DAA will do a good job on the airport and i think we will have a good facility soon enough.

I agree, I think they are doing a good job with pier D and the proposed extension to T1. These are good facilities for LCC type operations, the predominant operation at DUB. Pier D bares more than a passing resemblance to STN, I am sure this is not a co-incidence. I have given the DAA a lot of stick, but I do believe they have delivered a suitable facility for the airlines and passengers. Credit where it is due.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Business class specials in Dec/Jan are excellent way of generating extra revenue when yields are low.

During a chat with one of the matire de cabine I was saying how I would always consider SWISS for Euro travel/long haul, etc. Her reply "ah the purpose of the fares is working then!"

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
What about thru check and thru boarding pass issuing??? This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket

True. But I think what EI si getting worked up about is the on-line availability of these fares. FR have drilled into people that the best fares are available on-line. This is not always the case in my experience. A good agent (such as OA260  Wink) can find fares the rest of us can not, some of the larger agents have special rates which are below web fares, and they can also create complex, multi carrier trips the web struggles with.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI564
Posted 2008-01-08 17:09:08 and read 6634 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 4):
I have to point out that this is only if they started it pretty much immediately when they got planning permission particularly as this was delayed many times. construction hasn't started yet and the DAA hasn't indicated when it will start the 2nd runway.

I always thought they would start building the runway in 2010, when T2 is finished. Otherwise it would be very complicated to have 2 large projects being built at the same time. And surely a runway can be built in 2 years?

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):
Why cant we build like this. Melbourne airport widened its runway by 7.5meters on each side to accommodate the A380 and they got it completed in 29days without closing the runway. So where theres a heart, theres a way.

True.  Smile But Melbourne knew EK would definitely be operating there. DUB may get additional services before 2012 if they extended the runway. But by 2012, the problem will be solved anyhow. And given what people said about planning permission here, I can see why nothing is going to happen regarding an extension (as much as I might like it).

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 26):
SIN/BKK-VIE/ARN(etc)-DUB or something like that. EK are launching the likes of NCL ahead of DUB, why? Someone at these airlines is crunching the numbers and saying no. For a middle east airline the runway length at DUB with 330s would not be an issue. Something is up.

I think its a matter of how desperate DUB is (or not). I presume NCL hasn't got any Asian carriers at the moment, so it could throw money at EK? DUB has EY, so its harder to justfiy throwing money at EK when it may lead to EY leaving. I imagine EK will come to DUB eventually but every big airport seems to be eager to get EK and so they can patiently go down the list until they reach DUB.

I also think the JetBlue alliance with EI should be useful because of the weblinks. Its a pity that JFK is having so much capacity issues now though. Wouldn't help. Good that EI is building bridges with the Tour Operators also. The more good vibes the better.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-08 17:42:03 and read 6630 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Apparently, North American operated a 763 for EI on that route to cover for the sick 330.

Correct, it landed here in DUB on Sunday night and had just arrived from IAD.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 00:00:36 and read 6613 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
It's good to see RE moving towards jet operations, albeit slowly ... it's good to take things softly softly; it's a big more for what is still a relatively small carrier, so let's hope it goes well for them. If they are seriously thinking about jet ops from GWY, surely the runway there will need to be extended?

I believe runway extensions at GWY have been discussed recently. I read before that they will be aiming to have a runway capable of handling B737/A320 sized aircraft. However, given FR's reputation of moving into other peoples turf, could a runway capable of handling these sized AC cause RE more harm than good? There is & have been in the past a few BAE146 operators out of GWY so the runway is capable of taking regional jets but you can be sure that there are payload restrictions on their operation.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
I agree with you but isn't this the attitude we have been talking about, just because currently neither are capable of achieving the things Ireland needs doesn't mean they should just sit back and say "oh well it's never going to happen" Aer Lingus certainly hasn't done that, they are investing in the future and looking ahead. There are few things with EI we don't like such as the Gold Circle Club and the lack of cabin upgrades but in the long run is it all that important to the future of EI and Ireland?

I agree totally. Saying that there currently is no justifiable reason for setting DUB up as a hub is just the sort of thinking that we have been accusing the DAA of over the last few years - thinking of the hear & now while totally ignoring what the needs will be in the future. Any major infrastructure development should be designed for at least a 50 year design life i.e. it is designed for what the demands will be in 50 years time, not the current demands. Sure look at the runway at SNN. The one big asset SNN has is its runway. It was completed in 1966 & you can be sure there was no justifiable reason at the time for making it so long (although maybe the takeoff performance of the older jets required a longer runway than their modern day conterparts) yet it was built anyway & is still operating having undergone no major structural upgrades. Furthermore, even if the takeoff performance of older jets warranted a longer runway than would be required today, it would have been a very small number of flights per week so it probably still wouldn't have been justified given the economic problems in the country around that time.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-09 01:21:14 and read 6570 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 26):
A good agent (such as OA260 ) can find fares the rest of us can not

I can find them just shame I cant sell you them but I could get one of the girls in our retail office to . I have to say they are a great bunch that work in that part of the company. Alot less snobby than certain other parts. Today Im going to start throwing out 10 years of junk in my desk lol.... 4-5 weeks to go and its all change for me. I found a First class corporate brochure for AI and KU yesterday from 9 years ago !!! Amazing how the products have changed since then.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Danny
Posted 2008-01-09 01:30:00 and read 6569 times.

Some news from ATI:

"Irish-based aircraft lessor AWAS has ordered 75 Airbus A320s, complementing an order for up to 50 Boeing 737s placed last year."

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-09 03:32:16 and read 6498 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
Irish-based aircraft lessor AWAS has ordered 75 Airbus A320s, complementing an order for up to 50 Boeing 737s placed last year."

Wow, but i do imagine that the lease market for A320's is very good at the moment.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-09 04:17:00 and read 6474 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 29):
I believe runway extensions at GWY have been discussed recently. I read before that they will be aiming to have a runway capable of handling B737/A320 sized aircraft. However, given FR's reputation of moving into other peoples turf, could a runway capable of handling these sized AC cause RE more harm than good?

FR will only operate into runways of 6,000' and above, so if they keep it at (say) 5,500', that should be sufficient for RE's needs and (if this is their intention) to keep FR out.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 29):
Sure look at the runway at SNN. The one big asset SNN has is its runway. It was completed in 1966 & you can be sure there was no justifiable reason at the time for making it so long (although maybe the takeoff performance of the older jets required a longer runway than their modern day conterparts) yet it was built anyway & is still operating having undergone no major structural upgrades. Furthermore, even if the takeoff performance of older jets warranted a longer runway than would be required today, it would have been a very small number of flights per week so it probably still wouldn't have been justified given the economic problems in the country around that time.

Fair point, but conversely, if they showed that level of vision in 1966, why didn't they show it in 1988/89, when they were planning 10/28 at DUB. I don't know if there is any firm evidence of the collusion alleged (i.e. that the SNN lobby wanted it kept to a shorter length, to prevent t/a nonstops from DUB), but as you say, there was certainly knowledge that longer range, medium sized acft - like the A340/MD11 - which would require a longer runway.

It just occurs to me, as well, in relation to the current ministerial incumbent, that the Taoiseach seems to have an uncanny knack of choosing people who will do the minimum possible for aviation; Seamus Brennan was about the only competent person, but he was pulled out and demoted. I can't believe that Noel Dempsey has, in his six or seven months of office, done absolutely nothing, at all, for aviation ... and that's precisely why the DAA feels it has the freedom that it has. The interest simply isn't there.

Incidentally, I heard that the aircraft stuck at IAD was actually 'DUO; apparently, some damaged was caused to the nosegear as the aircraft was taxying onto stand, which required repairs.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-09 04:18:49 and read 6475 times.

Flight hit by lightning as storms batter country
A British Midlands BMI flight, carrying 91 passengers from London to Dublin, was forced to divert to Shannon after being struck by lightning yesterday, as many parts of the country battled severe storms throughout the day and overnight

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0109/1199313679202.html

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http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-ryanair-a-bumpy-ride-1261259.html

Close to €270m was wiped off Ryanair's value yesterday after economic warnings from fellow budget carrier easyJet helped send Europe's aviation stocks into a downward spiral.

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Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2008-01-09 04:19:32 and read 6481 times.



Quoting EireRock (Reply 28):
Correct, it landed here in DUB on Sunday night and had just arrived from IAD.

According to another thread, EI-DUO is stuck in IAD after damaging it's nose gear while taxing onto stand on Sunday. The nose gear somehow went behind it's allowable limits - A330's have had a history of these type of issues, but I thought the 200 was less susceptible to them due to it's shorter length. Anyway the other thread seems to indicate the aircraft was still in IAD - anybody got any updates?

Pilot21

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-09 04:20:31 and read 6469 times.



Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 24):
NOC – BHX WW- B735 6 83%
NOC – MAN WW- B735 7 79%
NOC – GLA WW- B735 3 NA

Just a tiny correction here, WW have withdrawn all of their 735s by now, AFAIK. Thank God, because they were pretty tired aircraft!

Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 24):
GWY – LBA RE- ATR72 4 38% route closed

oh, dear!

Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 24):
SNN – LBA FR- B738 3 33%

But this is not exactly healthy either, and they are only flying 2x week....on bad days for weekends, and not too attractive to business traveller either. I dont see this hanging around for too long. I suppose it is a new rout though.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 29):
It was completed in 1966 & you can be sure there was no justifiable reason at the time for making it so long (although maybe the takeoff performance of the older jets required a longer runway than their modern day conterparts) yet it was built anyway & is still operating having undergone no major structural upgrades.

Yes there was, SNN was a major refueling stop for almost all TA operations and the runways length would have been required to get the early jets into the sky with a decent payload & fuel.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 29):
Saying that there currently is no justifiable reason for setting DUB up as a hub is just the sort of thinking that we have been accusing the DAA of over the last few years - thinking of the hear & now while totally ignoring what the needs will be in the future.

I dont think that was what was intended as all. In fact exactly the opposite. The point being made is what is the point building a facility that will be rendered useless months after it has been opened? What is the point catering to traffic which MIGHT come to DUB when the current facilities are overcrowded and struggle to handle the traffic they currently deal with? The runway extension might be required BUT, it can not be delivered within a time frame to make it economically justifiable, with a new runway on the horizon. To my mind a runway extension is thinking of the "here and now". It just makes no sense from an ROI point of view.

Quoting EI564 (Reply 27):
DUB has EY, so its harder to justfiy throwing money at EK when it may lead to EY leaving.

I see your point. If EY are doing as well as we think they are and the market is as large as it is claimed to be then they would probably stay. They entered the market when GF and EI served the region, they might have hoped GF or EI would go, but not both! The point I was making though is that if the DUB market was attractive enough to SQ/TG they would already be here via one of their european destinations, where the aircraft have some long ground times anyway.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2008-01-09 04:41:20 and read 6449 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
Just a tiny correction here, WW have withdrawn all of their 735s by now, AFAIK. Thank God, because they were pretty tired aircraft!

ATDB says they still have 4 in service:

G-BVZI
G-BVZE
G-BVKD
G-BVKB

Pilot21

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-09 04:45:17 and read 6451 times.



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 37):
ATDB says they still have 4 in service:

I stand corrected! I know there were plans to retire them all and the 735s are usually used on ORK-MAN, but my last few flights had all been 733, so I assumed that they had all departed!

Cheers!
Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: JWMD123
Posted 2008-01-09 05:21:51 and read 6437 times.

News on SNN's figures

Quote:
Shannon 6% ahead despite double blow
Wednesday, 9 January 2008 12:02
Shannon Airport has said the number of international passengers passing through the airport last year grew by 6% to 3.1 million.

The airport said this was achieved despite the start of the Open Skies agreement between the EU and US in November 2006. This ended the Shannon stopover and led to a 4% fall in transatlantic traffic, but this was more than offset by 10% growth in short-haul traffic.

Airport director Martin Moroney said the airport was satisfied with the 2007 performance in the context of the ending of the stopover for transatlantic services and the increasingly competitive aviation market.

There was a 50% decline in the number of passengers who passed through Shannon while transiting between Dublin and the US.

Mr Moroney said the Open Skies agreement and the decision by Aer Lingus to discontinue its London Heathrow service were 'major blows' to Shannon's future growth plans. But he said the securing of a CityJet service to Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport had 'quickly restored global connectivity'.

Also for anybody interested

Quote:
Citigroup cuts Ryanair's EPS forecast
Wednesday, 9 January 2008 11:58
Citigroup has lowered its earnings per share forecast for Ryanair for both 2009 and 2010 because of higher fuel prices and a weaker pound against the euro.

In a note today, however, the bank said it was slightly raising its earnings forecast for this year due to expected better traffic figures

Meanwhile, Ryanair has announced the setting up of its 24th European base at Bournemouth on England's south coast.

The airline is basing a Boeing 737-800 aircraft at the airport, which will serve five new routes to Malaga, Murcia, Nantes, Palma and Wroclaw. The new routes are in addition to its existing services to Alicante, Barcelona, Dublin, Glasgow, Marseille, Milan and Pisa.

Ryanair says the investment in Bournemouth will deliver one million passengers to the region.

Ryanair shares were down over 4% in Dublin this morning to €3.76 - a fall of 15 cent.

Somewhere for FR to base one of those 737's coming to them

Their share price has took a real hammering and is nearly 50% off it's high over the past 12 months.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-09 05:34:05 and read 6425 times.



Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 39):
Their share price has took a real hammering and is nearly 50% off it's high over the past 12 months.

I would have thought it was over valued, in all probability, mainly due to the way the airline pulled though 9/11, and its great deal with Boeing on aircraft.

If FR ever feels its fleet is getting too large to match appropriate demand I would expect them to lease aircraft out as they come off the production line from Boeing, of course they also have the option of selling off/terminating leases on the aircraft already in the fleet. The aircraft should be pretty attractive to many operators, expecially LO-CO start ups and charter operators as they do have full galleys, just without the ovens, unlike the U2 A319s which have 1/2 galleys.

I dont think FR will be going anywhere! Markets are very jittery at the minute.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI2KSEA
Posted 2008-01-09 07:27:06 and read 6350 times.



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 35):
According to another thread, EI-DUO is stuck in IAD after damaging it's nose gear while taxing onto stand on Sunday

I had thought that I was on DUO on Sunday to BOS - I wasnt able to check the reg from the outside because of the crappy view from the DUB US immigration area but the saftey cards were for the A332 and it was definitely either DUO/DUZ given the new business class seats, recaro economy seats and shiney paint(!!). Sure it was Sunday? I think EI-LAX was also in Dublin that evening so maybe that operated IAD?

Cheers
Ph

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2008-01-09 07:38:26 and read 6330 times.



Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 41):
I had thought that I was on DUO on Sunday to BOS

My turn to stand corrected (I was taking the info direct from another thread) DUO did indeed operate the 137 on Sunday. EI-LAX did the IAD flight on Sunday, and EWR did it on Monday, but both appear to be in service on Tuesday, so now I'm totally confused, was this just a 24hr issue that was resolved very quickly?

At this stage I'll wait for some of our EI insiders to fill us in if they know anything about this.

Pilot21

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-09 07:47:27 and read 6324 times.



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 35):

Quoting EireRock (Reply 28):
Correct, it landed here in DUB on Sunday night and had just arrived from IAD.

According to another thread, EI-DUO is stuck in IAD after damaging it's nose gear while taxing onto stand on Sunday. The nose gear somehow went behind it's allowable limits - A330's have had a history of these type of issues, but I thought the 200 was less susceptible to them due to it's shorter length. Anyway the other thread seems to indicate the aircraft was still in IAD - anybody got any updates?

Sorry for the confusion but i meant that the North American 767 landed in DUB on Sunday night, not DUO.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-09 07:49:27 and read 6324 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 34):
A British Midlands BMI flight, carrying 91 passengers from London to Dublin, was forced to divert to Shannon after being struck by lightning yesterday, as many parts of the country battled severe storms throughout the day and overnight

Yes the BD131 was diverted to SNN and then did a ferry flight back to LHR, pax were bussed to Dublin.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-09 07:49:46 and read 6328 times.

Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 41):
I had thought that I was on DUO on Sunday to BOS

You're right, it looks like EI-DUO has been going to BOS quite a bit recently and for the past two days it's been operating to JFK so it must have been another A332 that was damaged in IAD.

EDIT: It was EI-DAA it operated DUB-IAD on the 4th and didnt return until yesterday as EI2116.

[Edited 2008-01-09 07:52:42]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 08:01:41 and read 6318 times.



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 35):
According to another thread, EI-DUO is stuck in IAD after damaging it's nose gear while taxing onto stand on Sunday. The nose gear somehow went behind it's allowable limits - A330's have had a history of these type of issues, but I thought the 200 was less susceptible to them due to it's shorter length.

Sure isn't this one of the main reasons why the A330's cannot be used to operate TA services out of ORK. You would think though that a known fault like this would have been sorted out by now.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 39):
This ended the Shannon stopover and led to a 4% fall in transatlantic traffic, but this was more than offset by 10% growth in short-haul traffic.

There was a 50% decline in the number of passengers who passed through Shannon while transiting between Dublin and the US.

That is not too bad when you put it in that context. I don't know if passengers who passed through SNN while transiting between Dublin & the US are counted in the total traffic but if they are, then most of the remaining services would probably have seen an increase in numbers despite the overall 4% drop.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 09:42:37 and read 6255 times.

Official press release regarding 2007 traffic at SNN.

http://www.shannonairport.com/compan...trafficperformanceshannon2007.html

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EIDAA
Posted 2008-01-09 09:53:44 and read 6251 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 31):
"Irish-based aircraft lessor AWAS has ordered 75 Airbus A320s, complementing an order for up to 50 Boeing 737s placed last year."



Quoting EireRock (Reply 32):
Wow, but i do imagine that the lease market for A320's is very good at the moment.

It is indeed.

That is a nice order for AWAS/Terra Firma/Pegasus - adding to that 737 order, which I think was for 31/19.

The only downside for them is that the delivery slots on the A320s are presumably out around 2013. I believe the order is for 75/25.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI321
Posted 2008-01-09 09:54:26 and read 6256 times.

Looks like Birmingham is extending its runway.

Does anybody think Beijing would be a good next l/h route for EI? Its about the same distance as LAX so should be ok with an A332, has all the connections and there are loads of chinese living here.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-09 10:14:22 and read 6249 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 46):
That is not too bad when you put it in that context. I don't know if passengers who passed through SNN while transiting between Dublin & the US are counted in the total traffic but if they are, then most of the remaining services would probably have seen an increase in numbers despite the overall 4% drop.

I believe it does, also looks like I'll be passing through SNN in march and thinking about the fact it will probably be the last time I'll have to do that. I have to say I don't mind doing it on the way over, it's the way back that really annoys me.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-09 10:30:40 and read 6246 times.

Is this the first time ORK has exceeded SNN in pax numbers? If DUB is around the 23.5m mark (as was suggested in a previous post), then it's quite possible that this year, for the first time, total pax numbers through our main airports will exceed 30m. For a country of only 4m, that really is a stupendous achievement!

Quoting EI321 (Reply 49):
Does anybody think Beijing would be a good next l/h route for EI?

Yes, or Shanghai. There are lots of Chinese carriers taking new A330s (and apparently about 40 more to be ordered soon); even an all-cargo route would do. It's a hugely important market and indeed, today on the Beeb (probably still there - on the website), it was said that the strength of the Chinese economy will help cushion the slowdown in the world economy - but that will really apply to those countries - like Finland, Holland, Germany - which have the best connections there; we're right at the back and I can't stress enough how important it is to get in there.

Either Beijng or PVG would have, not just excellent connections throughout China, but also excellent regional connections - Seoul, Japan, HK, even North Korea! I was amazed to see that last year, PEK handled over 50m pax.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 49):
and there are loads of chinese living here.

Yes, quite a big Chinese quarter in Beijing! (sorry, couldn't resist!)

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-09 11:19:31 and read 6216 times.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 49):
Does anybody think Beijing would be a good next l/h route for EI?

Yes, it would be brilliant, as Kaitak mentioned!!!

But how about CPT???

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-09 11:20:27 and read 6213 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 50):
I have to say I don't mind doing it on the way over, it's the way back that really annoys me.

Yes last thing you want to do when your wrecked after an all night flight is prolong it by a 50 mins stop in SNN. People on the East Coast want direct DUB-USA. SNN should have their own flights and DUB theirs with maybe a RE link up for DUB-SNN.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-09 11:41:27 and read 6191 times.

Hi 747Forever, they're worried about you over on the non-aviation section ... you'd better have a look there and let them know you're ok!

Anyway, the good thing about PEK (and possibly PVG) is that it's well within the range of the 330, but I'm just wondering if the appetite is really there. Personally, before EI thinks of looking east, I would like them to sit down and think carefully about what they are doing and whether they really WANT to extend their network eastbound: i.e. are they really willing to give it what it needs? If not, I'd much rather a well known and respected carrier to fly to DUB, even to codeshare with EI? With the likes of Hainan, CZ, MU etc, all with suitable aircraft (and where the hell does Hainan fly to anyway!), there's plenty there to take the step, if appropriately incentivised.

Incidentally, as a total aside, I was just thinking of FR's seats - for some odd reason - today and it occurred to me that if you have a serious incident, resulting in a rapid deceleration, the hard backs of the seats may be a danger? Even bracing in seats with 26-28" pitch is problematic (and I'm not very tall - 5'10") ... if you have a rapid deceleration or indeed, a very sudden impact, there's a very good chance that someone could whack their head against the back of the seat in front and knock themselves out ... not a good idea if you need to evacuate immediately. Just a thought ...

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-09 11:47:31 and read 6186 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 54):
Hi 747Forever, they're worried about you over on the non-aviation section ... you'd better have a look there and let them know you're ok!

LOL!!! I know, many members have worried about me!!! Cant spend so much time at A.net because of the school!!!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 54):
Personally, before EI thinks of looking east, I would like them to sit down and think carefully about what they are doing and whether they really WANT to extend their network eastbound: i.e. are they really willing to give it what it needs?

You have so right!! If EI will expand to east they most do it wholehearted

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-09 11:50:40 and read 6180 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 55):
Cant spend so much time at A.net because of the school!!!

LOL....hope you dont loose 1st position.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-09 11:53:53 and read 6176 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 56):
LOL....hope you dont loose 1st position.

LOL!!! Dont worry, will never loose 1st position  Wink

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-09 11:56:03 and read 6178 times.

Taken from www.rte.ie

The world eats Irish food
Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:06
Countries around the world are buying Irish food and drink in a big way. Exports last year were worth €8.6bn, up by 5%.


The food industry is the largest indigenous industry in Ireland, and it continues to grow.


Sales to Asia were exceptionally high last year, growing 50%. China in particular bought lots of Irish dairy products - the highest growth in dairy sales was in Asia.


AdvertisementBord Bia says the industry is well positioned to continue exploiting developing markets in countries such as China and the Philippines.


Exports of drink last year were worth €1.4bn, up 5% on 2006.


Beef is one notable area where sales are down. Beef sales were down 3% last year to €2.3bn. But industry experts say prospects for 2008 are better.


Just saw this on the six o'clock news and it made me wonder about the cargo operations at DUB and in particular the withdrawal of SIA Cargo . Asia seems to be one of the best importers of Irish goods and surely a good cargo service is nnecessary for this. But it does add fuel to the fire that Cathay Pacific will operate cargo services in the future(hopefully)

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Irish251
Posted 2008-01-09 12:04:53 and read 6164 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 29):
It was completed in 1966 & you can be sure there was no justifiable reason at the time for making it so long (although maybe the takeoff performance of the older jets required a longer runway than their modern day conterparts) yet it was built anyway & is still operating having undergone no major structural upgrades. Furthermore, even if the takeoff performance of older jets warranted a longer runway than would be required today, it would have been a very small number of flights per week so it probably still wouldn't have been justified given the economic problems in the country around that time.

Actually runway 06/24 at Shannon was declared ready for use on 3 July 1960. Jets could not have operated long-distance safely from Shannon's previous runways and the airport and many of the major airlines continued to see a role for Shannon as a transit point, especially in the early years of the jet airliner era. It must be remembered also that the early variants of the long-range jets such as the B707/B720/DC-8 had pure-jet engines and needed very long-takeoff runs by today's standards - like this:

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An Irish Air Letter monograph "Aviation on the Shannon" (published in 1985) mentions Pan Am, Sabena,Trans Canada, Alitalia and Swissair among regular users of Shannon with their new jet equipment at the beginning of the 1960s, so there was certainly a strong rationale for building such a long runway at that time - and a very good decision it has proved to be for Shannon in the decades since then.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-09 12:04:55 and read 6162 times.



Quoting EireRock (Reply 58):
Exports last year were worth €8.6bn, up by 5%.

Doesnt surprise me . My family buy Irish products. Back before Xmas I went to the supermarket for my Aunt in Athens caus she wanted some Kerry Gold LOL.... I didnt know Kerry Gold made Cheese also !!! I saw it on the cheese counter. Never seen it here. I also have seen alot of Irish produce in the Middle East.The Irish Dairy produce is the best in the world IMHO.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 12:14:11 and read 6139 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 51):
Is this the first time ORK has exceeded SNN in pax numbers? If DUB is around the 23.5m mark (as was suggested in a previous post), then it's quite possible that this year, for the first time, total pax numbers through our main airports will exceed 30m. For a country of only 4m, that really is a stupendous achievement!

I think by time transit & domestic passengers are included the total traffic at SNN came to 3.62M so technically SNN is still ahead of ORK.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 53):
Yes last thing you want to do when your wrecked after an all night flight is prolong it by a 50 mins stop in SNN. People on the East Coast want direct DUB-USA. SNN should have their own flights and DUB theirs with maybe a RE link up for DUB-SNN.

Your are dead right. A long stopover after an overnight flight must be utterly unpleasant. Although can't most of the US destinations out of DUB be reached without stopping at SNN? At this stage, the only two flights that route DUB-SNN-USA-SNN-DUB are EI 132/133 & EI 111/112. None of the US carriers have shared flights anymore. DUB also has EI 136/137 & EI 104/105 to BOS & JFK respectively, which both go direct. All the ORD fligts at this stage route SNN-DUB-ORD-DUB-SNN so SNN bound passengers have to sit in DUB both on the way out & on the way back. So at this point, DUB passengers should be able to choose to go directly without stopping at SNN & any DUB passengers sitting on the ground at SNN are probably only there because they got a better fare on the flight that routes through SNN.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-09 12:14:48 and read 6144 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 60):
Doesnt surprise me . My family buy Irish products. Back before Xmas I went to the supermarket for my Aunt in Athens caus she wanted some Kerry Gold LOL.... I didnt know Kerry Gold made Cheese also !!! I saw it on the cheese counter. Never seen it here. I also have seen alot of Irish produce in the Middle East.The Irish Dairy produce is the best in the world IMHO.

Makes you wonder then why SIA Cargo pulled the plug on DUB, ok so maybe EY have taken over the Middle East market, they seem to have good cargo loads on every flight leaving Dublin.

However am i right in thinking that SIA did DUB -AMS -DXB-SYD and DUB-CPH-DXB-SYD?? Did they stop in Singapore also?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 13:31:09 and read 6078 times.



Quoting Irish251 (Reply 59):
Actually runway 06/24 at Shannon was declared ready for use on 3 July 1960.

You are correct. The runway was opened to traffic in 1960 but not fully completed until 1966. It is definitely is SNN's best asset as it is still capable of taking even the biggest airliners in service today including the AN 225 & A380. An interesting piece of trivia that I picked up during my time in college is that the Engineers who designed Runway 06/24 predicted that settlement had the potential to cause huge problems & that there was no way of fully preventing it. Therefore, they had to design the runway so that it could settle without causing structural damage. In fact, the runway has settled by over a foot since its construction but the settlement control measures implemented were so well designed & the settlement predictions were so accurate that the settlement has been uniform over the length of the runway so its structural integrity has not been effected.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-09 13:47:42 and read 6059 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 47):
Official press release regarding 2007 traffic at SNN.

3.62m passengers is'nt bad at all, but yet this doesn't come as much of a surprise.Open skies did'nt really affect SNN much last year. It will be this year that SNN will struggle to keep pax numbers up. With SNN-LHR ending this week that immediately wipes 320,000 passengers of the chart, and no AA or AC daily flights this summer. DL's daily ATL service this summer downgraded to a 757, only one CO flight from SNN also, compared to 2 last summer. Even though the WX service will be great, there won't be a dramatic rise in pax.numbers because of it. So i don't expect much growth in numbers this year. The only possibility of any growth at SNN will be through FR expansion i would say.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 54):
Anyway, the good thing about PEK (and possibly PVG) is that it's well within the range of the 330, but I'm just wondering if the appetite is really there. Personally, before EI thinks of looking east, I would like them to sit down and think carefully about what they are doing and whether they really WANT to extend their network eastbound: i.e. are they really willing to give it what it needs? If not, I'd much rather a well known and respected carrier to fly to DUB, even to codeshare with EI? With the likes of Hainan, CZ, MU etc, all with suitable aircraft (and where the hell does Hainan fly to anyway!), there's plenty there to take the step, if appropriately incentivised.

ya a well-known middle eastern carrier would stand a much better chance of making a route say like DUB-PEK or DUB-DXB work. They would have a far superior in-flight service, better connection possibilities, member of a global alliance, huge brand recognition in the middle/far east....the list goes on.Unfortunately, the EI brand in the east is effectively non-existant,whatever exposure they might have had is now gone with them have left oneworld.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 63):
An interesting piece of trivia that I picked up during my time in college is that the Engineers who designed Runway 06/24 predicted that settlement had the potential to cause huge problems

Interesting.your right it is definately SNN's best asset,shame it is so under-used though. although it is listed as an emergency landing site for the NASA space shuttle.....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 13:51:01 and read 6066 times.

Just looking through Google Earth this evening & noticed that SNN has been upgraded to a high resolution area

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee225/tonymctigue/SNNGOOGLEEARTH.jpg

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-09 14:01:07 and read 6051 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 65):
Just looking through Google Earth this evening & noticed that SNN has been upgraded to a high resolution area

great , it's very clear now. was on it a few weeks back and could barely make out the terminal, how often are these updated does anyone know?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: DavecFlyer
Posted 2008-01-09 14:02:25 and read 6051 times.



Quoting EireRock (Reply 62):
However am i right in thinking that SIA did DUB -AMS -DXB-SYD and DUB-CPH-DXB-SYD?? Did they stop in Singapore also?

AFAIK the routing was (is - if they haven't stopped !!)

SIN - SHJ - DUB - CPH - SIN

That operated on Wednesday's and Sunday's.

I have an old SIA timetable from a few years back and it also has the cargo routings in it.

There has also been a Saturday flight for the last year or so which came from LHR but I also think out through CPH.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-09 14:09:54 and read 6035 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 65):
Just looking through Google Earth this evening & noticed that SNN has been upgraded to a high resolution area

About time! Last time I checked the runway was orange!?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 14:45:56 and read 6011 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 68):
About time! Last time I checked the runway was orange!?

I actually didn't appreciate how many old runways are at SNN - 4 old runways & the current 06/24. I know 13/31 was technically still in use up until the mid 1990's but only on very rare occasions before being officially closed by Aer Rianta.

http://www.worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=EI62625&sch=einn

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Danny
Posted 2008-01-09 15:26:47 and read 6002 times.

New Ryanair advert:

Big version: Width: 685 Height: 496 File size: 356kb


 Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-09 15:56:56 and read 5957 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 70):
New Ryanair advert:

haha you have to hand it to them.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: F1eddie
Posted 2008-01-09 17:13:59 and read 5938 times.

Kaitak. Just something i taught about SQ serving DUB. Maybe they could just not be bothered serving Dub via another city for the simple fact that we have very good connections to them via EI / BD to LHR and EI to Paris. At both these destinations they have there newest A/C (well LHR soon enough) on offer and there best product. Sure LHR is only an hour on the EI / BD plane and then you get on the SQ plane to go onwards. Whats the difference between doing this as opposed to an add on from another SQ destination, except that you may be on there A/C for another hour or so. Wouldn't you still have to get off the plane at the connecting city in europe and wait for an hour or two. My point is, i would say they will just wait untill they can fly N/S into DUB. They advertise here a lot, have offices with full services in Dublin, and also you can book from DUB, CRK, and in the past SNN (wonder will they offer Belfast instead) via there website so i do think they will come in here.

In regards to TG(did not really like them as they had no PTVS when i flew with them in 05), and CX, from what i can see they neither advertise here or allow bookings from here via there websites so i dont really see them interested in coming here yet!!!

Can you tell i really want SQ to come into ireland.... I dont really care for emirates which some of ye want.

Anyway im off to bed. Cyas

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Ei2ksea
Posted 2008-01-09 21:15:35 and read 5921 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 60):
I didnt know Kerry Gold made Cheese also

Just an FYI, the Irish Dairy Board do a roaring trade in Dubliner cheese branded as Kerrygold Dubliner as well as some random Cheddar and Swiss cheese offerings in addition to Butter. In the US/Canada its all shipped in by sea container. Not sure how they ship it east but there is a small and growing middle eastern market for Kerrygold - I believe this is all shipped by sea also so i'm not sure how much traffic EI/EY/SQ would get from that market anyways.

PEK in time for the Olympics would be a blast although I'm not sure the business is there without a strong partner tie-in, something which EI do not seem very good at organising. I must say im worried about the way EI are slumping back to a pre-9-11 state with a huge emphasis on the US market. The economy in the US isn't exactly looking so bright right now. Even a YUL/YYZ or YVR link might be a good addition once SFO/IAD and MCO are settled. Seems unusual to just hand Canada to AC and Globespan, remember Montreal has one of the largest Irish populations in North America and no direct flights to Ireland!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-09 23:52:59 and read 5907 times.



Quoting Ei2ksea (Reply 73):
Seems unusual to just hand Canada to AC and Globespan, remember Montreal has one of the largest Irish populations in North America and no direct flights to Ireland!

Your right. The competition on Canadian routes is as good as non existent with AC still only operating on a seasonal basis (although I wouldn't be surprised is this changed for winter 08 timetable) with the other operator being Globespan & lets face it, if EI can't take on Globespan & beat them then I will be getting seriously worried about EI. Speaking of the devil, has the situation at Globespan improved any since last summer's disaster? I do sympathise with NOC in that the BOS & JFK services are not operating this year, especially since they seemed to have decent bookings. Perhaps there would be a good market for charter operations using 757's for the summer months?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 01:17:13 and read 5859 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 70):
New Ryanair advert:

HAHA I actually have to say its the first FR Ad I have actually laughed at.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-10 03:36:03 and read 5821 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 74):
I do sympathise with NOC in that the BOS & JFK services are not operating this year, especially since they seemed to have decent bookings. Perhaps there would be a good market for charter operations using 757's for the summer months

Back in October the airport management said they were looking for a new carrier to maintain the routes and avoid a repeat of the globespan issues last summer and hinted at an announcement. You might be right about a charter, loads were supposedly good but I can't see another airline who could work the routes, unless they were split with ORK or another UK airport.

Also I see today NOC is to get a full Garda immigration unit from March. No passenger figures released yet, they could be down on 2006 with REs expansion at GWY and the the loss of 2 x LGW routes, though it has been reinstated by XL along with 4 other new routes in 07.

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i98ZMbgj-vvCLLVcqJNWLOhhAdug

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 06:17:37 and read 5740 times.

NOC is a great little airport that should never have been built really, There was no economical reason for it at the time.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-10 06:57:30 and read 5712 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 70):
New Ryanair advert:

LOL!!! FRs ads are always funny!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 08:43:22 and read 5662 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 78):
LOL!!! FRs ads are always funny!!!

I don't think Our Great Leader will like that very much!

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 77):
NOC is a great little airport that should never have been built really, There was no economical reason for it at the time.

I remember when it was being built - or proposed; the Taoiseach of the day, Sir Garret the Good, opposed it on economic grounds, but FF under CJH went strongly behind it (purely for political reasons, you understand!) ... I remember when it was opened, back in '85/86 (not the exact date!); there was a special EI 707 flight organised by the ASI (there was a Youtube video of it a few months back), but I missed it.

In fairness to Monsignor Horan, he was trying to do something good for the community and I think there was more to it than just serving the pilgrimage flights; he understood the economic advantages of an airport to a community; Mayo at that time (like the rest of the country) was suffering from bad unemployment and emigration.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-10 08:43:41 and read 5661 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 77):
NOC is a great little airport that should never have been built really, There was no economical reason for it at the time.

While you are probably correct in that there was no economic reason for it being built we must remember that it was built mainly with privately raised funds (although it has recieved several allocations of public funds since it was built). It has also brought great economic benefit to what was previously an impoverished part of the country that at the time had no infrastructure & absolutely nothing going for it.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-10 09:27:02 and read 5619 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 79):
I don't think Our Great Leader will like that very much!

That is true!! FR do really "dangerous" ads!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Toulouse
Posted 2008-01-10 11:01:52 and read 5588 times.



Quoting Danny (Reply 70):
New Ryanair advert:







Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: F1eddie
Posted 2008-01-10 11:04:37 and read 5588 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 77):
NOC is a great little airport that should never have been built really, There was no economical reason for it at the time.

My mum is from swinford so i was always down there as a young lad. I remember going to see it after a week or two of it opening. I have also been told by my parents that we actually drove on the runway as there were no barriers around it in those days!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: F1eddie
Posted 2008-01-10 11:18:00 and read 5572 times.



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 83):
Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

Seems to be your comp. I just looked and i can see it.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-10 11:18:15 and read 5571 times.



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 83):


Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

I can see it but if want you can see it on the Irish site of Ryanair.com

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 11:23:07 and read 5562 times.



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 82):
Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

Is there a little dot in the middle of the post - hard to see, because of the blue background? - if so, click it and that should show it to you. I think it comes up like that because it's scanned.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 11:31:05 and read 5560 times.



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 82):
Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

no there's something weird about posting pics on here sometimes, here's a link to Dannys pic.

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536881195&filename=phpnjRvPo.jpg

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: ThrottleHold
Posted 2008-01-10 11:47:31 and read 5559 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 46):
is one of the main reasons why the A330's cannot be used to operate TA services out of ORK. You would think though that a known fault like this would have been sorted out by now.

The restriction in Cork for the A330's was due to torsional forces on the main landing gear struts during tight turns on the runway. As far as I know, the restriction is no longer in force.

Quoting Ei2ksea (Reply 73):
remember Montreal has one of the largest Irish populations in North America and no direct flights to Ireland!

I agree. It's crazy that EI is not flying to Montreal. Beijing would be a great route too. EI management seems to have an inherent fear of operating any route that doesn't go to the USA.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 11:58:24 and read 5542 times.



Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 89):
EI management seems to have an inherent fear of operating any route that doesn't go to the USA.

Maybe its a case of the Devil you know.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 11:59:07 and read 5547 times.



Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 89):
EI management seems to have an inherent fear of operating any route that doesn't go to the USA.

I expect the next 4 long haul routes to be to the USA/Canada. But im open to be proved wrong.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 12:00:19 and read 5539 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 91):
expect the next 4 long haul routes to be to the USA/Canada

DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 12:01:50 and read 5536 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 92):
DFW

DFW / YYZ / YVR / LAS

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 12:04:41 and read 5532 times.

I bet LAS is one of the B6 destinations. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Toulouse
Posted 2008-01-10 12:06:24 and read 5526 times.



Quoting F1eddie (Reply 85):
Seems to be your comp.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 86):
I can see it but if want you can see it on the Irish site of Ryanair.com



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 88):
no there's something weird about posting pics on here sometimes,

Thanks guys for all the help...

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 87):
Is there a little dot in the middle of the post - hard to see, because of the blue background?

Yes Kaitak, I adjusted my glasses and found the little dot, then had some fun trying to get the cursor over it. Saw the ad, must admit while I usually dislike FR's advertisements, this one gave me a chuckle... nevertheless, they really are something else when it comes to advertising.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-10 12:26:39 and read 5514 times.

Could someone help me if they can....my friend is going to Accra via LHR with EI and BA. She's taking her laptop which is in a separate carrier case to her hand luggage, and was wondering will she have trouble with having two pieces of hand luggage, or what's the situation with laptops? Those of you who've used BA, I'd be helpful if you could tell me if she would have trouble with that on the journey to Accra also. Plus, does anyone know what aircraft BA use on the LHR-ACC route. Thanks in advance.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 95):
I adjusted my glasses and found the little dot,

Yo'd need a magnifying glass sometimes to spot them! I've had the same trouble you had before on another thread, trying to find the miniscule dot. I thought people made them that small on purpose for the craic...  

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 95):
then had some fun trying to get the cursor over it

That drives me nuts! Eventually I just give up and move on  

[Edited 2008-01-10 12:31:35]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 12:38:33 and read 5498 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 96):
She's taking her laptop which is in a separate carrier case to her hand luggage, and was wondering will she have trouble with having two pieces of hand luggage, or what's the situation with laptops? Those of you who've used BA, I'd be helpful if you could tell me if she would have trouble with that on the journey to Accra also. Plus, does anyone know what aircraft BA use on the LHR-ACC route. Thanks in advance.

BA currently flies 763s to ACC; they're actually quite a nice aircraft to fly with BA. Re the laptop, since the rules have now changed, that SHOULD be OK, but really, she should call BA. The only thing about a laptop is that she will have to have it screened separately. Hope she has a good trip.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 91):
I expect the next 4 long haul routes to be to the USA/Canada. But im open to be proved wrong.

I'd agree with that; I think YYZ, DFW or MIA (by arrangement with AA), PHL or ... I think LAS would be quite an interesting place to go; it is a good hub for the west and of course, a very good tourist destination in its own right, so it wouldn't surprise me if it were chosen. As I said previously, until EI is prepared to put effort into improving its service product, IFE etc, just focus west and let airlines who can invest and market properly fly from the east.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-10 12:40:35 and read 5485 times.



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 83):
Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??

I couldn't see the ad either only a very small dot.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 12:43:21 and read 5486 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 96):
my friend is going to Accra via LHR with EI and BA. She's taking her laptop which is in a separate carrier case to her hand luggage

Should be fine !!!

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=3108

British Airways customers can carry the following as hand baggage from all worldwide destinations and the six UK airports listed above:

One bag no bigger than 56 cm x 45 cm x 25 cm (22 inches x 17.5 inches x 9.85 inches) (including wheels, pockets and handles)
In addition, one briefcase or laptop-sized bag
A maximum hand baggage weight of 23Kg applies and customers must able to lift the bag into the overhead lockers in the aircraft cabin unaided.
Restrictions on the quantity of liquids allowed through airport security search remain in place.
Customers must ensure that all liquid containers do not exceed 100ml and are carried in a clear, re-sealable plastic bag no bigger than 20 cm x 20 cm that can be easily closed.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-10 12:53:01 and read 5469 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 97):
BA currently flies 763s to ACC; they're actually quite a nice aircraft to fly with BA. Re the laptop, since the rules have now changed, that SHOULD be OK, but really, she should call BA. The only thing about a laptop is that she will have to have it screened separately. Hope she has a good trip.

Thanks for that. Don't worry; I'll be badgering her for the details of the flight as soon as I can. I'm raging that she gets to fly a 767 before I do!  Angry

Quoting OA260 (Reply 99):
Should be fine !!!

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...=3108

Thanks for the link, it answers her question exactly. The EI website seems to indicate that they're a little stricter, with it emphasises one piece per passenger in the cabin.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-10 13:00:03 and read 5461 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket for example.

I didn't know we vould ticket iwth UA, I thought that was only AA due the codeshare. And I do agree, another tie in will not be a panacea for all our problems but every string on the bow helps us out.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
The funny thing is though is that when passengers do do EI/B6 they will fly on an A330 with no PTV's then get on an A320 with the full works !!!

Hopefully a kick in the rear for the PR people to suggest a cabin upgrade.

Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 25):
with the crew claiming that the lights were on due to FAA regulations and could not be lowered(?????)).

Thats a strange reason to quote. However they lites do need to be above a certain level to allow pax to walk around safely during the night. Seated pax have a habit of leaving bag straps, bags themselves and feet in the aisle. EI usually dim the lites about halfway through the flight after the main cabin service is complete to allow pax to sleep. and unfortunately for some people dimmed lites are not as good as no lites.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 13:10:58 and read 5458 times.

Just had a quick look in PPRUNE and there was an interesting quote in the air cargo section, "freight dogs":

"It will remain very difficult for DUB to attract any new freight carriers as long as the DAA continue to turn their nose up at that end of the business. i work for a cargo airline currently flying out of DUB and I know through attending stakeholder meetings in relation to the new terminal and future plans for the airport that the DAA have no interest whatsoever in improving the facilities for freight operators in the long term and even also in the short term while the building work goes on. Their deliberate ignorance is mindblowing and its not who will be the next carrier in more likely the next one out, watch this space."

What can be done about this? I've been trying for a long time to get some focus on air cargo issues; unfortunately, it's just not a "sexy" issue and its importance is not realised. Given that the DAA isn't investing in air cargo, I doubt very much if it is marketing it either, which makes it very dificult to attract a new airline. Some backsides need to be kicked and heads banged against walls (not necessarily at the same time!), but I just don't see this happening.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 13:12:47 and read 5461 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 101):
I didn't know we vould ticket iwth UA, I thought that was only AA due the codeshare. And I do agree, another tie in will not be a panacea for all our problems but every string on the bow helps us out.

Yes they have UA and AA but just dont have a codeshare with UA. B6 will be positive for EI but it wont take that much business from the current UA AA link ups. Time will tell.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 101):
unfortunately for some people dimmed lites are not as good as no lites.

Yes it differs of course on all A/C but the overhead side panel lights from memory dont dim alot so its still quite bright. I have been on A/C where its pitch black and I dont like that either and its dangerous as you said. EI would have claims galore !!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI2KSEA
Posted 2008-01-10 13:33:12 and read 5446 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 100):
EI usually dim the lites about halfway through the flight after the main cabin service is complete to allow pax to sleep

This had been my experience on previous red eyes with EI but the crew member was just plain rude on the matter. A gentleman in front mentioned to her that they had been dimmed on a recent AA overnight flight he was on and yet the cabin crew member challenged him on it. Sometimes saying less is a lot more when it comes to inflight service!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 102):
EI would have claims galore !!

Quite true - some nice mood lighting would of course solve the problem!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-10 13:35:36 and read 5444 times.



Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 103):
Quite true - some nice mood lighting would of course solve the problem!

Yes a nice Rose faded light with stars on the ceiling LOL.....I guess it would be Green seeing as its EI !!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI2KSEA
Posted 2008-01-10 13:45:12 and read 5435 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 104):
I guess it would be Green seeing as its EI

My thoughts exactly although I'm not so sure about its effects on those with travel or motion sickness!

 crazy 

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-10 14:06:06 and read 5412 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 104):
Yes a nice Rose faded light with stars on the ceiling LOL.....I guess it would be Green seeing as its EI !!!

Green is actually a very natural colour and when used correctly it's very calming and most airports use these type colours. All the photos of the Area14 I have seen shows the lights as all green but I have also seen it in rows of red and green which looks quite good.

Does anyone know why EI didn't add mood lighting to the new aircraft? My guess would be extra weight compared to standard lighting. The A350 will have a lot of advanced technology and should be a great aircraft to fly in any class!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-10 14:07:54 and read 5428 times.

AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-10 14:17:48 and read 5406 times.



Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 103):

This had been my experience on previous red eyes with EI but the crew member was just plain rude on the matter. A gentleman in front mentioned to her that they had been dimmed on a recent AA overnight flight he was on and yet the cabin crew member challenged him on it. Sometimes saying less is a lot more when it comes to inflight service!

Just from memory I think that on the overnight flights from the US, EI usually dim the lights about half way as do CO & AA. I can see though where it would be a hazard to turn off the lights totally during the flight.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 104):

Yes a nice Rose faded light with stars on the ceiling LOL.....I guess it would be Green seeing as its EI !!!

Could you imagine what an FR themed mood lighting would look like? Lots of yellow & blue & they would probably manage somehow to get some form of advertising into it. Not that FR would ever spend money on such items. In fact, I'm surprised that FR don't use flourescent tubes that give off that horrible, very cold feeling, ultra bright white light, like you would find in a factory or in a supermarket.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Humberside
Posted 2008-01-10 14:18:27 and read 5401 times.

ORK-Brest is another new RE route (and CWL-Nantes also returns)

[Edited 2008-01-10 14:19:57]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-10 14:22:39 and read 5394 times.



Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 105):
My thoughts exactly although I'm not so sure about its effects on those with travel or motion sickness!

The EK 77W's have mood lighting. I found myself a lot less fatigued on the 77W flights. When then cabin lights dimmed they did so over about twenty minutes or so and It was nice to be able to wake up over the course of ten minutes or so. It was more natural than just on/off on most flights, even when the cabin lights were off completely there were "stars" in the ceiling panels and a dim blue tinge illuminating the isles.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 106):
Does anyone know why EI didn't add mood lighting to the new aircraft? My guess would be extra weight compared to standard lighting.

I would have thought mood lighting is an LED, which are lighter and less MX intensive than filament bulbs. None of the American carriers have mood lighting, so EI should not either.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-10 14:27:50 and read 5399 times.

AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll. Galway flights are via Waterford. AMS is a surprise, quick fare check for GWY - AMS in May shows 190 return, 3.5 hour flight.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-10 14:33:00 and read 5387 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 108):
I can see though where it would be a hazard to turn off the lights totally during the flight.

LAX-DUB during the Summer on DUO, lights turned off fully. The only way to guide yourself along the aisle was from the glow coming off the PTV's. Lights were left on in the galley though.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-10 14:45:52 and read 5358 times.



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 108):
Just from memory I think that on the overnight flights from the US, EI usually dim the lights about half way as do CO & AA. I can see though where it would be a hazard to turn off the lights totally during the flight.

Yeah generally coming from the East coast I got my 'mea' an hour to an hour and a half after take off and then the lights where out after the clean up

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-10 15:08:17 and read 5340 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 96):
The only thing about a laptop is that she will have to have it screened separately. Hope she has a good trip.

In the UK, laptops dont have to be removed from bags anymore since this Monday.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Eirbus06
Posted 2008-01-10 17:39:01 and read 5279 times.

See video clip below. If the shamrock had just a little more fuel,god knows what would have happened.Never heard about this?


NTSB

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-10 17:44:26 and read 5272 times.

Just noticed that DUB-CWL is loaded onto the EI booking engine; have I missed something or is this the link up with RE coming into play?

Quoting Eirbus06 (Reply 115):

Ya, it was a very near miss allright. This thread has some more details from the report:
http://us.airliners.net/discussions/...eneral_aviation/read.main/2260376/

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI321
Posted 2008-01-10 17:58:28 and read 5262 times.



Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 111):
AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll. Galway flights are via Waterford. AMS is a surprise, quick fare check for GWY - AMS in May shows 190 return, 3.5 hour flight.

Im not very enthusiastic about this setup. Particularly the BOD route.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 21:46:45 and read 5240 times.

Indo report on SIA pullout:

http://www.independent.ie/business/e...o-pullout-hits-dublin-1262699.html

Statement at pains to point out that it was due to network reorganisation rather than airport specific issues, although with the parking space for large cargo jets soon to be swallowed by T2 building work, I can't think the airport environment was too helpful.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-10 21:58:56 and read 5241 times.

IT reports that billionaire property developer Liam Carroll has spend about €35m on a small (3.2%) shareholding in Aer Lingus - although reading the IT report, they can't understand why, describing EI as "habitually affected by IR problems, pays no dividend" and has no large property interests.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2008/0111/1199917847322.html

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FR's latest 738, EI-DWS, arrived on Wednesday.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: JWMD123
Posted 2008-01-11 00:57:43 and read 5215 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 116):
Just noticed that DUB-CWL is loaded onto the EI booking engine; have I missed something or is this the link up with RE coming into play?

only operating on the 7 March and the 9 March.

It is for the Six Nations rugby game Ireland v Wales in Croke Park.

Aircraft operating as an A330.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-11 01:09:16 and read 5205 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 118):
Statement at pains to point out that it was due to network reorganisation rather than airport specific issues, although with the parking space for large cargo jets soon to be swallowed by T2 building work, I can't think the airport environment was too helpful.

It seems that the DAA are happy to let SNN take the cargo routes and instead concentrate on the EI's and FR's. I must say it is dissapointing to see SIA pull out but the DAA really do not have the facilities, interest, or planning to push DUB as a cargo centre.


Also on another note, i saw an advert on TV last night promoting Jersey for holidays, looks beautiful.(not sure whether it was RTE or one of the british stations)

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-11 02:53:43 and read 5166 times.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...arks-start-of-new-era-1262735.html

Aer Arann's jet launch marks start of new era
By Laura Noonan
Friday January 11 2008

AER Arann will today announce a multi-million euro deal to bring jets into the regional airline's fleet for the first time.

The move will allow Aer Arann to offer flights as long as five hours, putting all of continental Europe within the airline's reach for the first time.

Routes from Waterford and Galway to Amsterdam, Bordeaux, Malaga and Faro will begin booking today with flights starting from May 1 on introductory rates of €80 to €95 each way.

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Great day for RE !!!  thumbsup   thumbsup 

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-11 03:44:38 and read 5129 times.



Quoting aerarann.com:

Aer Arann Announces Expansion into Continental Europe
10th Jan - Aer Arann today announced it has entered a franchise agreement with Nex Aviation. The franchise will add four new routes to the Aer Arann network. The new destinations are Amsterdam , Bordeaux, Malaga, and Faro. The new services will come into effect on May 1st from Galway Airport and Waterford Airport.

Commenting on the announcement, Garry Cullen, Managing Director at Aer Arann, said: “Today’s announcement represents significant route opportunity for Aer Arann. These four new destinations will provide greater choice and easier access to continental Europe for our customers in the West and South East. In addition to the sun destinations, this route expansion offers services to Amsterdam Schiphol. Schiphol offers the best connections of any airport in the world, with more than 260 destinations in 91 countries. “

The new route expansion comes on the back of a franchise deal between Aer Arann and Nex Aviation. The services will be sold as part of the Aer Arann network. The 100 seater BAE 146-200 jet has leather seats and a generous seat pitch of 31 inches. This aircraft will operate alongside Aer Arann’s current fleet of 14 ATR turbo-prop aircraft. This announcement follows the 2007 delivery of two new ATR 72-500 aircraft, the first in a fleet of 10 to be delivered by 2009.

Mr. Cullen continued: “Aer Arann’s partnership with Nex Aviation allows us to expand our range and underpins the Aer Arann strategy of connecting regional Ireland to the UK and mainland Europe. Of course, the inflight experience offered on board will be the same high quality that Aer Arann’s passengers expect”.

Peter O’Mara, Chief Executive of Nex Aviation said: “Nex Aviation is delighted to announce this partnership with Aer Arann. The Aer Arann brand is firmly established as a household name, and it is a huge benefit to Nex Aviation. Connecting the two regions to a major global hub such as Amsterdam Schiphol is a significant development in access. We anticipate further exciting new routes to be announced in 2008.”

Amsterdam Schiphol Director Aviation Marketing, Jop van Unnik, said: “Amsterdam Schiphol is the fifth largest airport in Europe and offers the best connections of any airport in the world, with more than 260 destinations in 91 countries. We are delighted that Aer Arann has chosen to fly to Amsterdam Schiphol and offer great connectivity to the South-East and the West of Ireland”.

Waterford Airport Chief Executive, Graham Doyle said: “This is very exciting news for Waterford Airport and the South-East region. It brings to eight the number of routes offered by Aer Arann from Waterford this summer – with a choice of weekend, holiday and business destinations and excellent opportunities for onward connections, particularly through Schiphol, one of Europe’s main hubs”.

Joe Walsh, Managing Director, Galway Airport congratulated both Aer Arann and Nex Aviation on their announcement saying: “Connectivity is a key business need, these services Amsterdam Schiphol, Faro, Malaga and Bordeaux are a significant step forward in linking businesses on the western seaboard with Europe and the rest of the world. Galway Airport has become the airport of choice in the West for air travel within Ireland, to the UK and now to Continental Europe due to its convenience, range of destinations and the frequency of services.”

The new services will come into effect on May 1st from Galway Airport and Waterford Airport. Flights will operate daily from both airports to alternate destinations:

Monday: Bordeaux and Amsterdam
Tuesday: Malaga
Wednesday: Faro
Thursday: Amsterdam
Friday: Bordeaux and Amsterdam
Saturday: Malaga
Sunday: Faro and Amsterdam

Go neiri an bothar leo!

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-11 03:48:04 and read 5130 times.

Also taken from the above article

Quote:
Additional continental routes will be added "in the coming weeks", commercial director Fergal Barry said, adding the airline was to announce a long-awaited "inter-lining" agreement with Aer Lingus in the same time frame.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-11 03:53:28 and read 5129 times.

Hey OA260, Quick question, given that you can through ticket from EI to UA, if you call UA will they sell you an EI flight?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-11 04:09:03 and read 5134 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 125):
Hey OA260, Quick question, given that you can through ticket from EI to UA, if you call UA will they sell you an EI flight?

Not too sure but the fares are in their computers !! Take this routing for instance :::

EI 125 W 10FEB DUBORD HS1 1330 1550
UA 253 T 10FEB ORDDEN HS1 1745 1922
UA 532 T 17FEB DENORD HS1 0633 0951
EI 124 W 17FEB ORDDUB HS1 1759 #0720

€499 incl all taxes !!! Not bad at all....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-11 04:24:16 and read 5104 times.



Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 120):

Oh yes, forgot about the six nations. Thanks.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 126):
€499 incl all taxes !!! Not bad at all....

Talking about great fares, I was just putting in dates at random into the EI booking machine (easy to know I've lots to be doing!) to see what fares are like for the rest of the month, and I put in SNN-JFK departing on the 15th and returning on the 30th. It came to a total of €330 which I thought was extremely reasonable, considering there's only four days between booking and departing. Now, I don't have great experience in booking t/a flights. but I thought it was reasonable.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Provance
Posted 2008-01-11 04:35:23 and read 5106 times.

Aer Arann have posted a new route map

http://www.aerarann.com/travel_information/destinations.htm

I think its looks bloody awful !!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-11 05:15:23 and read 5071 times.



Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 103):
Quite true - some nice mood lighting would of course solve the problem!

If only I was allowed to carry a few of those 'mandle candles' with me on flights,just for hte A.Netters1

Quoting Provance (Reply 128):
Aer Arann have posted a new route map

http://www.aerarann.com/travel_information/destinations.htm

I think its looks bloody awful !!!!

The map is too faint, the city tags are too 'loud' and the routes are not clear. Maybe increase the screen size of the map and even out the brightness of each element.



That NTSB runway incursion looked very scary. Wasn't there another at BOS last year where an EI A330 was overflown by a rotating US airline a/c? Maybe I just heard the tale of that one (on Youtube) incorrectly.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: JWMD123
Posted 2008-01-11 05:22:04 and read 5066 times.



Quote:
Another broker lowers Ryanair forecast
Friday, 11 January 2008 11:43
Goodbody Stockbrokers has become the second broker this week to lower its financial forecasts for Ryanair next year.

Analyst Joe Gill said stubbornly high fuel prices, slowing consumer demand in the UK and a weak sterling had affected forecasts for the 2009 financial year.

He said these factors pointed to challenging conditions for airlines exposed to the UK market, which accounts for 40% of Ryanair's sales.

The analyst now sees a 2% drop in operating profits in the year to March 2009, compared with a previous forecast for a 10% rise.

'At times of economic weakness, travel and leisure related companies tend to underperform other stock market sectors,' said Mr Gill. He said this had already started across the European airline sector in 2008, and would not abate unless oil prices eased and signs of economic stability emerged.

Earlier this week, Citigroup lowered its earnings per share forecast for the airline for both 2009 and 2010 because of higher fuel prices and a weaker sterling.

Ryanair shares were down two cent at €3.88 in Dublin this morning.

I did not realise that 40% of FR business is UK. Given the rise in the Euro, could we see FR maybe cut back on UK based routes and maybe try more Euroland to Euroland routes.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EIBoston
Posted 2008-01-11 05:38:43 and read 5051 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 129):
Wasn't there another at BOS last year where an EI A330 was overflown by a rotating US airline a/c? Maybe I just heard the tale of that one (on Youtube) incorrectly.

Not a tale. It happened in 2005. Almost a disaster.Here is a link to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_132

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Al2637
Posted 2008-01-11 05:43:53 and read 5047 times.

FR have lost their appeal against T2. High Court ruled at lunchtime today.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-11 05:47:37 and read 5046 times.

It's great to see RE expanding, I hope that one day they get their own jets but this is great way to try it out first. The Aer Lingus deal is going to be interesting, I didn't expect them to announce it anytime soon but it looks like it's only a few weeks away.

Quoting Provance (Reply 128):
Aer Arann have posted a new route map

http://www.aerarann.com/travel_information/destinations.htm

I think its looks bloody awful !!!!

It's not good at all, they need to have an interactive map like what EI and FR have so you can just scroll over the city you want and see the routes it serves.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Clydenairways
Posted 2008-01-11 05:51:26 and read 5034 times.



Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 111):
AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll. Galway flights are via Waterford. AMS is a surprise, quick fare check for GWY - AMS in May shows 190 return, 3.5 hour flight.

Is NEX Aviation going to operate thier own aircraft on behalf of Aer Arann or will these be Operated by Atlantic Airways from the Faroe Islands again like last year?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-11 05:51:31 and read 5034 times.

I think Atlantic Airways operated last years flights as NEX didn't have the necessary AOC license, I presume they do now.
No timetable up but it looks like all originate in GWY then via WAT :

FAO: _ _ W _ _ _S
AGP: M _ _ _ _ S _
BOD: M _ _ _ F _ _
AMS: M _ _ T F _ S

[Edited 2008-01-11 06:04:13]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Neutral
Posted 2008-01-11 06:17:27 and read 5002 times.

Quote reply132

FR have lost their appeal against T2. High Court ruled at lunchtime today.


I think Mol knew from the start their appeal would fail why he went through all the way only he knows.They must have a big legal bill every year.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-11 06:23:47 and read 4993 times.

Great to see RE expanding their services & introducing jets. I wish them every success.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-11 06:24:32 and read 4997 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 127):
It came to a total of €330 which I thought was extremely reasonable

Yes some great fares at the moment for JFK.

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They need to change that FR .....errr I mean RE route map !!! You get my drift ......

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-11 06:29:20 and read 4991 times.

Just spotted this in the RTE website.

Superjumbo grounded in Singapore

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0111/airbus.html

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-11 06:42:00 and read 4981 times.

SIA 9V-SKA A380 Issue At Push Back (by Knoxibus Jan 10 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 139):
Superjumbo grounded in Singapore

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0111/air....html

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: COEI2007
Posted 2008-01-11 06:58:54 and read 4959 times.

The RE route map looks awful, kinda confusing on they eyes, although that could be just me from doing earlies!!! lol


EI are introducing new meal choices for economy pax, which will be rotated every couple of weeks to give more of a choice. At the moment its always Lasagne/Chicken chauseur outbound and Beef with potatoes/|Chicken and rice inbound to Ireland. There a few new choices, I can think of them because I read the notice at 5.30am this morning! At least one nice change to EI L/H......maybe more to come....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-11 07:03:15 and read 4950 times.



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 141):
EI are introducing new meal choices for economy pax, which will be rotated every couple of weeks to give more of a choice.

That is brilliant !!! Hope they will have this as standard.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-11 07:13:48 and read 4947 times.

link for T2 appeal:

http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0111/daa.html

This appeal was never going to succeed. I can't help but think that FR are doing this just for some free advertising.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 122):
Aer Arann's jet launch marks start of new era

Good move by RE. They can test the jets before buying them themselves. can't say I would like to fly GWY -AMS via. Waterford, but it's a good start.
can't wait to see the RE/EI deal, it should make it a lot easier for people from Galway, Cork etc. to connect to EI's long haul network at DUB.I wonder will this apply to RE routes originating in the UK? eg. (CWL-DUB-NYC)

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 141):
EI are introducing new meal choices for economy pax,

at least it's some improvement for EI long haul. after all according to EI it's "the little things that make a journey enjoyable that are important" .

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: JWMD123
Posted 2008-01-11 07:24:29 and read 4942 times.



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 141):
EI are introducing new meal choices for economy pax, which will be rotated every couple of weeks to give more of a choice. At the moment its always Lasagne/Chicken chauseur outbound and Beef with potatoes/|Chicken and rice inbound to Ireland. There a few new choices, I can think of them because I read the notice at 5.30am this morning! At least one nice change to EI L/H......maybe more to come....

Excellent news. About time they brought a bit more choice on the L/H flights. If they show as much innovation as they have done on shorthaul (mixture in the BOB menu), then they should get good reviews.

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 132):
FR have lost their appeal against T2. High Court ruled at lunchtime today.

Now lets get on with it an build T2 to get it open as soon as possible

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-11 07:27:31 and read 4926 times.



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 141):
EI are introducing new meal choices for economy pax, which will be rotated every couple of weeks to give more of a choice.

Great news, it's a small change but I hope and expect more to follow and to continue enhancing the Aer Lingus product.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-11 07:41:09 and read 4927 times.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 143):
I wonder will this apply to RE routes originating in the UK? eg. (CWL-DUB-NYC)

I was just looking at the timetables, and it certainly looks possible for the CWL route on certain days. The earliest that the CWL flight arrives in DUB is 11:10, so the afternoon flights to BOS, JFK, etc should be manageable. It would create some bit of traffic for EI l/h anyway, providing there's the incentive there for PAX not to just go to BRS and get the direct CO flight.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-11 09:44:51 and read 4854 times.



Quoting Neutral (Reply 136):
They must have a big legal bill every year.

I always find this quite odd; they penny pinch in the pettiest ways - stopping their employees recharging mobile phones, for example - but then they seem to lose most of what they save on litigation - litigation which, it seems, is either unnecessary or doomed to failure. If I were a shareholder, I would be asking questions about this.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-11 12:56:30 and read 4826 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 147):
but then they seem to lose most of what they save on litigation - litigation which, it seems, is either unnecessary or doomed to failure.

It does seem a paradox, doesn't it? FR probably have their own, in-house legal people, for all sorts of reasons. EIDAA would probably be better able to inform here, but given the size of the transactions legal representation is probably present. Given the number of aircraft FR buy it is likely to be cheaper to do this in-house than pay a firm to do it. Bearing in mind contracts with MX providers, airports, ground handlers, etc I doubt they would not have some sort of legal department. In true FR style they work the assets and get their legal department to do the frivolous litigation as well. Court submissions don't cost much, and the column-inches gained would cost a lot more in advertising.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-11 13:12:21 and read 4834 times.

Got an e-mail from EI today, suggesting that I pay for my checked luggage for my upcoming flights. The give reasons why it's good to pay for your luggage online, and why it's bad at the airport, but of course forget to mention the good reason for having a baggage charge  

[Edited 2008-01-11 13:13:34]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-11 13:21:31 and read 4800 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 149):
but of course forget to mention the good reason for having a baggage charge

Yeah, LOL!!! Do they usually send e-mails to ALL pax??

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-11 16:31:35 and read 4767 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 150):

Yeah, LOL!!! Do they usually send e-mails to ALL pax??

I get them but that's because I subscribed to emails from aerlingus.com and I get an email once a month with information on fares, sales and new services.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-12 02:34:08 and read 4697 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 151):
get them but that's because I subscribed to emails from aerlingus.com and I get an email once a month with information on fares, sales and new services.

Okey, I see. So noting standard!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-12 02:59:04 and read 4691 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 149):
Got an e-mail from EI today, suggesting that I pay for my checked luggage for my upcoming flights.

Have a good time on your last and in augural flights !!!

I'm here at DUB after having spent ages at check in with yet another Sky Handling mess up!! They Gave me boarding cards for seating in the back of Economy when I was supposed to be in 2A Business class !!!. Anyway supervisor was called and this time I told them about my previous problems and I really made them aware what I thought of them. I told them they were always doing this. I wasted so much time while they sorted it out. Also in that time my seat 2A was given to someone else. Flight loads are light today so they blocked whole row of J class for me so I have A and C to myself. She said she is going to put it in her report and apologised. You know its not that they are not nice or anything because the check in girl was very nice but they just to mess up all the time.

I see the JFK flight with EI is cancelled and a few of the OS flights have delays. Want to get a few pics of the OS metal if I can.....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-12 03:00:48 and read 4688 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 153):

So where are you heading??

Really bad by the Sky Handling, again!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-12 03:17:52 and read 4677 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 153):
You know its not that they are not nice or anything because the check in girl was very nice but they just to mess up all the time.

I agree, they are a mess. Such a difference to the ground operations at EI, who know what they are doing. Even FR at DUB are probably better than Sky, who are a joke! Did they open a business class desk today? They forgot about it last week until I reminded them! God only knows where they would have seated me otherwise!

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Thediplomat
Posted 2008-01-12 05:12:54 and read 4634 times.

Have Ryanair announced that they have stopped flying Dublin Shannon? The flights are no longer on sale post Feb 3rd.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-12 05:50:19 and read 4603 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 150):
Do they usually send e-mails to ALL pax??

It's just a reminder that you can pay for your bags online, and save 3 euro. So all pax on Short Haul flights get them.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 153):
Have a good time on your last and in augural flights !!!

Thanks!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 153):
with yet another Sky Handling mess up!!

This is unacceptable. You've been flying with them almost every week for the last while now, and they keep doing this.

Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 156):
Have Ryanair announced that they have stopped flying Dublin Shannon? The flights are no longer on sale post Feb 3rd.

Why would they. They love nothing better then bashing other airlines when they dump routes, but when FR do it it's all hush. It's a real pity though. Was looking forward to using it at some stage.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-12 06:04:03 and read 4596 times.

EI-DVG and DVH have been added to the EI fleet page. DVH is named Saint Ciara.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-12 06:11:30 and read 4599 times.

The Shannon Airport Authority said there are no plans for any official ceremony to mark the last Aer Lingus flight to the London hub. "It's the end of an era and a sad day for many people but we're firmly looking to the future now," a spokesman said.

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVzd5y1sXITcKZi1qrq0pp45u8dw

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-12 10:05:10 and read 4520 times.

More moves by this chap, Callaghan, on EI stock; significant stock movements over the past few days which - if (as is believed) all relate to him, makes him owner of 4.7% of stock (more than Denis O'Brien) and - the Indo says - a potential kingmaker - if there is to be a sale/purchase of the airline.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-be-airline-kingmaker-1264503.html

Pretty heavy hints of an "eventual" purchase, but I don't see FR giving up its stake; the EU won't/can't do anything, so really, unless FR wants to/is persuaded to sell, they're unlikely to ... unless, as the article seems to be hinting, Callaghan is engaged in some deal to sell property at the airport for use by FR. Now that would be a very interesting development.

The fun never ends!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-12 12:45:17 and read 4500 times.

Just looking at the FR route-map, and with their recent announcement of Carcassonne as the first continental European route from ORK, I wonder will there be more expansion soon and on what scale? FR aren't basing any more 738s at the moment (which, I'd imagine will have to change in the not too distant future to capitalise on ORK's potential before EI does and, well, to find somewhere to put their never-ending order of planes!), so I'd imagine there would be new routes added from existing bases in the short-term. The likes of Marseille and Valencia come to mind as potential successful routes from ORK.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 157):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 153):
Have a good time on your last and in augural flights !!!

Thanks!

I heard that MO'L is coming down to wave off the flight! ?

[Edited 2008-01-12 12:51:32]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-12 13:20:18 and read 4461 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 157):
It's just a reminder that you can pay for your bags online, and save 3 euro. So all pax on Short Haul flights get them.

So they do send them to all pax that fly with them in short haul!!! That is really nice, but still not good that they take that fee!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-12 13:27:15 and read 4456 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 161):
I wonder will there be more expansion soon and on what scale? FR aren't basing any more 738s at the moment

Its hard to call at the moment. Another based FR aircraft would probably take over some of the current schedule operated from other bases. Also I would guess that more UK routes would be added. MAN, BHX, etc. It would be a mixed blessing for ORK, I would guess, and I dont know how long WW would hang around. I would prefer to see ORK doing deals with the likes of LX, LH, SK and introduce deals like the SAA did with WX, whereby network/interlining carriers are encouraged to come to ORK.

Has anyone flown IB in Y long haul? Ive been looking at fares and IB are coming up as a very viable option LON-MIA. LX are similar money, I think I might be better off with them? I think Mom & Dad would appreciate the AVOD on LX's A340s.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-12 13:47:54 and read 4441 times.

I think there could be more FR expansion at Cork but I dont think it will be on a large scale. I agree with Brian that Cork should be looking for airlines that can offer more than just an A to B service which is what EI currently covers perfectly and they also have services to AMS and LHR so Ryanair wouldn't bring much apart from lower fares and competition for EI.

What is needed is some more full service carriers that can offer connections because there is no sign of any long-haul routes starting at ORK despite the rumours.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 163):
Has anyone flown IB in Y long haul? Ive been looking at fares and IB are coming up as a very viable option LON-MIA. LX are similar money, I think I might be better off with them? I think Mom & Dad would appreciate the AVOD on LX's A340s.

I haven't flown with IB long-haul but I know a few people who have and most of them didn't think it was that great. LX with AVOD and similar fares sounds the best to me and if their long-haul product is as good as their short-haul it must be worth a try.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Toulouse
Posted 2008-01-12 14:19:26 and read 4423 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 163):
Has anyone flown IB in Y long haul? Ive been looking at fares and IB are coming up as a very viable option LON-MIA. LX are similar money, I think I might be better off with them? I think Mom & Dad would appreciate the AVOD on LX's A340s.

LX, no doubt about it. Having lived for years in Spain, IMO IB are fine on short-haul, yet while I've little l/h experience with them in recent years, I haven't heard anything "that" good about their service... usually more criticism than positive comments.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-12 14:54:20 and read 4408 times.

Have a good last LHR flight tomorrow EISHN, although it will be a sad day for Shannon unfortunately. it will be interesting to know what the cabin crew will say about it onboard.
Will the aircraft operating the 383 into SNN tomorrow night fly up to BFS afterwards does anyone know?

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 159):
The Shannon Airport Authority said there are no plans for any official ceremony to mark the last Aer Lingus flight to the London hub.

I didnt expect that there would be any ceremony but i'd expect there would be news coverage of it alright.

Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 156):
Have Ryanair announced that they have stopped flying Dublin Shannon? The flights are no longer on sale post Feb 3rd.

that's strange. every other destination from SNN is bookable past that date. it would be a shame to see it go though. if they are cutting the route, they did'nt give it much of a chance!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-12 15:04:54 and read 4403 times.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 166):
Will the aircraft operating the 383 into SNN tomorrow night fly up to BFS afterwards does anyone know?

i doubt that. The BFS-LHR aircarft should be in place tomorrow afternoon. The crew of the EI383 will be on normal duty so will probably overnight in SNN (Limerick) than position with a/c to DUB. The pilots would probably be DUB based so there is a chance that after the EI383 they will position SNN-DUB. Am in tomorrow so will try to spot the rotation of a/c.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 158):
EI-DVG and DVH have been added to the EI fleet page. DVH is named Saint Ciara.

Haven't even last eyes on DVH yet.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-12 15:31:38 and read 4393 times.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 166):
that's strange. every other destination from SNN is bookable past that date. it would be a shame to see it go though. if they are cutting the route, they did'nt give it much of a chance!

True. I hope it stays but I can't help thinking they'd get a better yield by using the a/c on some other route. I was contemplating going up to DUB this week on this service, and when I was checking prices last week all the flights on the dates I tried were €0.99. Maybe someone with a deeper knowledge of yields and RASM/CASM can correct me, but that can't be making them money. Does SNN-DUB have PSO subsidies? I don't think it does.

I hope they look introducing Prague or Budapest to SNN, two obvious holes in the network....along with LHR  duck 

[Edited 2008-01-12 15:40:32]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-12 19:54:44 and read 4352 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 154):
So where are you heading??

Athens LOL...where else !!! Im here in the lounge in Athens after being in the city with some mates for a few hours, i wrecked.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 155):
Did they open a business class desk today?

Yes they did but they gave me a Y class boarding card LOL.....

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-12 21:24:26 and read 4334 times.

No doubt there'll be a little "schedenfreude" in the Shannon region about this news: apparently EI has only sold a little over a third of its BFS-LHR seats for the first month of operation:

http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/s...TS-qqqm=nav-qqqid=29517-qqqx=1.asp

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-13 01:12:19 and read 4306 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 169):
Athens LOL...where else !!! Im here in the lounge in Athens after being in the city with some mates for a few hours, i wrecked.

LOL!! You do travel really much!!!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 170):
apparently EI has only sold a little over a third of its BFS-LHR seats for the first month of operation:

This isnt good. Hope it wont continue like this!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 01:33:05 and read 4299 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 171):
Hope it wont continue like this!!!

Heathrow is such a last minute purchase route (high business), so they will probably end up with a 50% load factor on the route in January. That isnt too bad for first month of operations on such a high volume route.

If true, its dissapointing that the DUB SNN service is no longer. Obviously the loads were as bad as people stated, which isnt surprising - the 738 is way too large an aircraft for a short route, and rumours of 50 - 100 loads out of 189 were constant.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Dstc47
Posted 2008-01-13 01:38:44 and read 4300 times.

Plenty of anticipatory coverage of the final SNN / LHR on RTE this morning and so far a slow news day, so probably much more this evening.

Brendan O'Carroll says he wants to found a political party now, probably more money in that than in the airline business!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 02:21:03 and read 4294 times.



Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 173):
Brendan O'Carroll says he wants to found a political party now, probably more money in that than in the airline business!

Just what we need - more jokers in government.

http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_s...ibune/Business&SUBCATNAME=Business

AER LINGUS'S headquarters at Dublin Airport may hold the key to billionaire property developer Liam Carroll's purchase of a 3.2% stake in the airline last week.

The former state carrier's headquarters is located on a prime 13acre site near the heart of the airport, which has already been earmarked by airline chiefs for redevelopment. It is understood that the site will probably be redeveloped as a hotel as part of a joint venture with the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA).

Although the site is owned by the DAA, Aer Lingus has a long-term lease which will expire in 2062.

According to the airline's flotation IPO, which was produced in 2006, "Aer Lingus believes that its head office site at Dublin Airport . . . may have development potential."

A spokeswoman for the airline said that this remained its view, although redeveloping the site had dropped down its priorities given the other issues it faced. "The DAA is also busy with T2 and anything Aer Lingus does with the site would have to be done in conjunction with them, " she said.


Ryanair back in court again

http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_s...ibune/Business&SUBCATNAME=Business


RYANAIR has vowed to fight on after the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) said it did not recognise a British court ruling granting the low-cost airline hangar space at Dublin airport.

Ryanair may now launch another court challenge against the DAA, which persuaded the High Court two weeks ago to strike out the airline's challenge to plans to build a second terminal at the airport.

The British ruling on hangar access came last month after maintenance firm SR Technics tried to evict the airline from a hangar at the airport. Mr Justice Gray found that SR Technics had conspired with the DAA to force Ryanair to vacate the hangar and ordered that the airline be granted a 15-year hangar licence.

The case was heard in a British court because the hangar use agreement between SR Technics and Ryanair was drawn up under English law.

But a DAA spokesman indicated that it had no intention of complying with the ruling, stating that the court had no jurisdiction over the DAA's property rights.

"The DAA will take its own commercial decisions as to how it optimises the value of its property assets in the best interests of its shareholders, the Irish government and the Irish people, " he said.

The move has surprised many observers, particularly as the outcome of the case between Ryanair and SR Technics was embarrassing for the DAA.

The judgment was particularly critical of the DAA's failure to provide documents to the court. Mr Justice Gray noted that chief executive Declan Collier had "unhelpfully replied [to one request from Ryanair] that it would not be appropriate for the DAA to discuss commercial discussions it might. . . be having with third parties". He also rejected the evidence of former DAA general manager Michael Murphy, who appeared as a witness for SR Technics, and said he was part of an attempt to construct a justification retrospectively for the attempted eviction.

DAA sources have insisted, however, that Collier became aware of the case only in its final week and had no influence on the decision not to release the documents.

But a Ryanair spokesman said the ruling clearly showed that the state airports operator was "lying, failing to cooperate fully in the discovery process and collaborating against its largest airline customer". He also said the airline would take whatever steps were necessary to ensure the judgment was enforced.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-13 02:45:11 and read 4283 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 164):
LX with AVOD and similar fares sounds the best to me and if their long-haul product is as good as their short-haul it must be worth a try.

This is what I am thinking as well. Cheers!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 169):
Yes they did but they gave me a Y class boarding card LOL.....

hmmmmm...... [rolls eyes in disbelief/exasperation]

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 174):
the state airports operator was "lying, failing to cooperate fully in the discovery process and collaborating against its largest airline customer".

haha! Poor old FR. How I wish the boot was on the other foot! I think the DAA must be getting a bit sick of FR with the constant legal actions and bad mouthing in the press. Seems like they are saying "enough is enough". FR makes a lot of its profits in DUB, perhaps the DAA is getting the mentality of "put up, or shut up". They know FR will not walk away from DUB, and if they did, easyJet and all the other LCCs would be all over the place like a cheap italian suit.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Neutral
Posted 2008-01-13 05:56:58 and read 4258 times.

I agree the DAA must be sick of Ryanair's constant legal action also the Irish regulator/AerLingus have also had their fair share of Ryanair legal cases.Michael O Leary comment on the possible removal of planes from Dublin is laughable as the Yields from Dublin are among the best on Ryanair's network and any void left would as Brian said be filled by other airlines.Lets not forget any time Ryanair increase any of their charges like check in/baggage etc you never hear any thing from MOL then.Before I'm seen as a Ryanair basher I do use them and think they overall have a very positive effect on Irish aviation.

Dave.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-13 06:18:32 and read 4250 times.

I think Aer Lingus should cut the fares on the DUB-SNN route if FR goes off it. The fares are crazy expensive. The A/C has to go DUB-SNN-USA anyway so why not offer fares at least half reasonable. You can go to Europe cheaper than a DUB-SNN.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BFSBHD
Posted 2008-01-13 06:30:23 and read 4242 times.

Seems to be that the 320 operating SNN-LHR is moving up to BFS. EIN092 out of SNN at 2200. Anybody know which 320 is based at SNN at the moment?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-13 06:52:52 and read 4224 times.



Quoting Neutral (Reply 176):

I agree 100%. I wonder what's the longest period of time there's been without FR being in the courts for one thing or another; 24 hours? That may be a tad generous....

Quoting OA260 (Reply 177):
I think Aer Lingus should cut the fares on the DUB-SNN route if FR goes off it. The fares are crazy expensive. The A/C has to go DUB-SNN-USA anyway so why not offer fares at least half reasonable. You can go to Europe cheaper than a DUB-SNN.

Yes, they're a bit hefty when all is said and done. They're fixed at €30 before tax/charges aren't day, and go up to around €50 after tax? Pricey.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-13 06:59:43 and read 4224 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 167):
Quoting EI320 (Reply 166):
Will the aircraft operating the 383 into SNN tomorrow night fly up to BFS afterwards does anyone know?

i doubt that. The BFS-LHR aircarft should be in place tomorrow afternoon. The crew of the EI383 will be on normal duty so will probably overnight in SNN (Limerick) than position with a/c to DUB. The pilots would probably be DUB based so there is a chance that after the EI383 they will position SNN-DUB. Am in tomorrow so will try to spot the rotation of a/c.

Well I was wrong. The EI383 will be operated by DVH today then it will fly up to BFS as EI092 to operate the 2 BFS-LHR flights tomorrow. No wonder I haven't seen it, it has been in SNN for at least the last week. Usually the aircraft at SNN/ORK switch back to DUB on a Sunday.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 174):
The former state carrier's headquarters is located on a prime 13acre site near the heart of the airport, which has already been earmarked by airline chiefs for redevelopment. It is understood that the site will probably be redeveloped as a hotel as part of a joint venture with the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA).
According to the airline's flotation IPO, which was produced in 2006, "Aer Lingus believes that its head office site at Dublin Airport . . . may have development potential."

There was a design for a hotel (with self check in kiosk in the foyer) published about 2-3 years ago during the WW period.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-13 07:34:05 and read 4194 times.



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 179):
I think Aer Lingus should cut the fares on the DUB-SNN route if FR goes off it. The fares are crazy expensive. The A/C has to go DUB-SNN-USA anyway so why not offer fares at least half reasonable. You can go to Europe cheaper than a DUB-SNN.

Yes, they're a bit hefty when all is said and done. They're fixed at €30 before tax/charges aren't day, and go up to around €50 after tax? Pricey.

I'd imagine they are trying to get a premium from people from using this route for two reasons,

1. that when they stop flying it and people around the Shannon region are up in arms they can say that the loads are crap, and to be honest I reckon this will most likely happen this winter. This train out of limerick is quicker and cheaper anyway. Maybe RE will restart this route.

2. A 330 full of SNN bound passengers from DUB may lose them passengers heading to say BOS from DUB as there is no room, so the passengers might use LHR instead. I think EI prefers a full Ireland - USA sector rather then a DUB-SNN/ SNN - DUB sector

on another note, Has anyone ever rented a car in the US and drove to Canada? I'm thinking about doing it this year, I know I can rent the car I'm just wondering if crossing the boarder is worth the hassle.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 08:14:46 and read 4173 times.



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 181):

on another note, Has anyone ever rented a car in the US and drove to Canada?

Yes, And on the way back to the US (Detroit) to catch the NW back to London the stupid immigration didnt want to let us back into the country as we only had about $80 in cash between the two of us.... (and about a dozen credit cards)...

Apart from that ignorant fool, no problems bringing the car back and forward.

the FR SNN DUB service was never going to work, and the shannon region were fighting for ages for an evening service. They got one, and never used it it seems.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 08:17:10 and read 4171 times.

Ryanair are recruiting for a "Sales & Marketing Executive – Uk & Ireland" if anyone is interested...

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about...careers&ref=FRSMAR08&pos=strapline

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-13 08:22:42 and read 4158 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 182):
Apart from that ignorant fool, no problems bringing the car back and forward.

Cool, cheers for that.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-13 08:38:58 and read 4157 times.

Well everyone, I'm sitting here in the lounge at SNN, waiting for the flight, with about under an hour to go. The terminal is fairly quiet, but there's a lot of buzz down at the EI desks. MOL is here as well, and i had the oppurtunity to shake his hand, and got my picture taken with him. Camera crews are here also, and some photographers also, plus the mayor of Clare, and other un-happy politicians. Not much else to report, but there is (or at least was) and EI A333 sitting on the ramp at 4 o'clock. Is that a delay?

So good luck to everyone, and hope ye enjoy the evening.

EISHN@SNN

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-13 08:44:07 and read 4146 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 174):
The former state carrier's headquarters is located on a prime 13acre site near the heart of the airport, which has already been earmarked by airline chiefs for redevelopment. It is understood that the site will probably be redeveloped as a hotel as part of a joint venture with the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA).

Whatever way this works out, I hope that building is demolished, because it's the worst of '60s architecture, completely colourless and now, an ugly grey blob with virtually no redeeming features. Since there's an effort in Dublin city to get rid of some of the old eyesores - starting with the Dept of Health (surely the ugliest building in DUB by a considerable distance) and Liberty Hall - the old EI HOB should go the same way.

Incidentally, can anyone tell me exactly how many A320s EI is taking on for this Summer; I have heard different answers - some say two, others three. Does anyone know for certain (and their sources)?

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 174):
The case was heard in a British court because the hangar use agreement between SR Technics and Ryanair was drawn up under English law.

I wonder why this was the case in the first place; if the property - the subject matter of the contract - was in Ireland, but the contract was subject to English law, then surely there would be a clause in the contract to say that the contract is subject to English law and both parties to the agreement agree that it is subject to the jurisdiction of English courts. Why they did it this way, I don't know, but if the DAA/Aer Rianta had signed a contract which included a clause binding it to English law, then I wonder what defence can they use if FR does sue them? An Irish judge may well say, "this is outside my jurisdiction" or alternatively, may feel that Grey J.'s ruling should be followed. That'll be interesting to watch. Another mudfight between the DAA and FR? Like a city bus - just wait a few minutes, one is bound to come along again shortly!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 08:55:11 and read 4134 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
MOL is here as well,

Did you ask him why he is dropping SNN DUB? Probably for the same reasons why EI are dropping SNN LHR - better yields elsewhere..

Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
plus the mayor of Clare, and other un-happy politicians



Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
plus the mayor of Clare, and other un-happy politicians

Politicians like nothing better than hanging around a funeral. Lot of good they did with their huffing and puffing for five months.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 08:58:14 and read 4128 times.

Oh, dont forget that anywhere west of the Shannon (and east of Lahinch) will collapse into the sea at about 7pm this evening, never to be seen again.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 09:49:19 and read 4106 times.

The last EI flight has departed Shannon to Heathrow eight minutes late at 17:33 with 126 passengers on board.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-13 10:03:25 and read 4086 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
MOL is here as well, and i had the oppurtunity to shake his hand, and got my picture taken with him.

That is great!!! Did you say anything especially to him???

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 189):
The last EI flight has departed Shannon to Heathrow eight minutes late at 17:33 with 126 passengers on board

Sad day for all at SNN!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-13 10:20:09 and read 4074 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 190):
Sad day for all at SNN!!!

Yes, must be one of the oldest EI routes? But CDG with CityJet, and to some degree AMS with RE from Galway will give people in the mid-west more connection options.

On the RE/NEX route launch, I noticed in REs Sunday paper ads that WAT - GWY will also be sold for €20, could be popular with students vs 5 hour train trek.

[Edited 2008-01-13 10:22:01]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-13 10:25:53 and read 4072 times.

Just noticed on the Dublin airport website you can now watch the TV adverts that were recently being shown.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...t_Development/TDA_commercials.html

I quite like them although some images of T2 would have been nice. They look impressive so why not use them in adverts.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-13 10:44:10 and read 4053 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 189):
The last EI flight has departed Shannon to Heathrow eight minutes late

It was always hard to get out of SNN on time!!!!!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 10:47:21 and read 4058 times.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 190):
Sad day for all at SNN!!!

Yes, its a sad day, but in someways, its the start of something new - SNN has twice daily connections to the best hub east in Europe (CDG), alongside daily (starting summer) connections to the best hub west in the Americas (ATL), add this to a significant low cost presence with Ryanair and Centralwings. The glass really is half full, but with proper management, and investment, they can and probably will make a go of the new post open-skies Shannon. Its up to them now.

Lets not forget that Shannon has more daily flights to JFK than Barcelona or Brussels

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-13 10:56:25 and read 4058 times.

Sad day for SNN indeed but a bright new future for EI up here in the North (hopefully) . The loads so far BFS-LHR are what one would expect for a launch. Im sure as time goes on the BA codshare will increase in popularity. I think the chunk of the business will be on the BA codeshare and not the EI flight number point to point. I guess future figures will enlighten us.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-13 11:40:03 and read 4025 times.

Last flight, EI 383, showing on Aertel as ETA (SNN) at 21.20. Guess they'll just turn it around and leave at 22.00 or as near as possible. STD from LHR at 19.45, a few minutes from, but guess there must be holding/queuing delays.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-13 11:44:05 and read 4018 times.

Just back from SNN myself after watching the last LHR flight depart. it departed at 17:36. there was a fairly gloomy atmosphere around the terminal, but MOL was out and about providing entertainment, always making the most of a situation. the mayor of Clare and Fine Gael were there and of course RTE and TV3. first time i've seen EI-DVH too.Overall though a very sad day for SNN.

Looking forward to the new Cityjet service starting Feb 4th though!

Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
Not much else to report, but there is (or at least was) and EI A333 sitting on the ramp at 4 o'clock. Is that a delay?

That flight departed to BOS at 17:45. It was originally scheduled to depart at 15:45

Quoting OA260 (Reply 195):
Im sure as time goes on the BA codshare will increase in popularity. I think the chunk of the business will be on the BA codeshare and not the EI flight number point to point. I guess future figures will enlighten us.

True, the BA codeshare will give it a key advantage over other carriers on the route. I can see it affecting BMI a lot as many passengers who want to connect at LHR can now choose EI who will offer far more connection possibilities at LHR through BA.We'll just have to wait and see, the LHR flight will be a key factor in determining the success of the base though.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 181):
2. A 330 full of SNN bound passengers from DUB may lose them passengers heading to say BOS from DUB as there is no room, so the passengers might use LHR instead. I think EI prefers a full Ireland - USA sector rather then a DUB-SNN/ SNN - DUB sector

This is the main reason i would say, never thought about it like that though.
It's strange, take tomorrow morning, theres 3 flights from SNN-DUB, 2 x 330 , 1 x 738, all in the space of 15 mins between 7:00 and 7:15. Anyone would think by looking at the timetable that it's one of the world's major routes!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Rineanna
Posted 2008-01-13 11:44:10 and read 4018 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 185):
but there is (or at least was) and EI A333 sitting on the ramp at 4 o'clock. Is that a delay?

One of the JFK flights was cancelled today. That may have been due to operate that.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-13 11:48:21 and read 4014 times.

Just found this photo on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2189736570&size=l

There are two patches on the winglet, anyone know what it is? I thought it could have been one of the aircraft that was hit by lightning, I know the aircraft involved were hit on the nose but it could have left the aircraft through the winglet leaving some damage behind.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-13 12:01:11 and read 3995 times.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 197):
I can see it affecting BMI a lot as many passengers who want to connect at LHR can now choose EI who will offer far more connection possibilities at LHR through BA.

Its hard to tell. The thing that may keep both routes going is that BMI being out of BHD which is actually handier for Belfast city and the whole Ards Peninsula and a nicer airport , and then theres EI from BFS which suits people on the other side of Belfast/Antrim etc.... BMI has a great link to the Star carriers at LHR so thats a plus for them. There are alot of BA Gold and Silver card members in the North so that will make EI/BA attractive to them.

The next 6 - 12 Months should prove interesting.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 198):
One of the JFK flights was cancelled today

I noticed there have been a few cancellations over the last few days .

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-13 12:05:05 and read 4024 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 194):
Lets not forget that Shannon has more daily flights to JFK than Barcelona or Brussels

Didnt know that. That is excellent!! So then why sooooooo sad over the LHR connection.???

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EI320
Posted 2008-01-13 12:15:54 and read 4016 times.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...sh/ryanair-slows-down-1265000.html

Ryanair slows down

Sunday January 13 2008

THE New Year has brought continued gloom for Ryanair shareholders. Having fallen by over 10 per cent in 2007, its shares have shed a further 17 per cent of their value so far in 2008 and are now just €3.85.

At the current share price Ryanair is valued at just €5.78bn. This for a company that is likely to report pre-tax profits of €530m for the year to the end of March 2008. So is Ryanair cheap at the current share price?

Not necessarily. The company's load factor, the proportion of available seats being sold, fell to 79 per cent in December 2007 compared to 81 per cent in December 2006.

With fuel prices likely to remain high, it is difficult to see any share price recovery in the short term.

.....................
€3.85 per share does seem cheap, but it's nothing too see serious for FR i'd say.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: B747forever
Posted 2008-01-13 12:17:27 and read 4013 times.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 202):
its shares have shed a further 17 per cent of their value so far in 2008 and are now just €3.85.

Wow, 17percent in just 13days!!! That isnt good for FR!!!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2008-01-13 12:41:32 and read 3986 times.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 202):
The company's load factor, the proportion of available seats being sold, fell to 79 per cent in December 2007 compared to 81 per cent in December 2006.

Meanwhile, Michael O'Leary stands around shannon like a fool, distracted by frivolous no-win, expensive court cases, and last EI flights to Heathrow rather than running the company and focused on the real issue - why in hell is only 10% of FR's fuel hedged for the forthcoming year?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-13 13:49:13 and read 3927 times.

EI 383 arrived SNN at 2114.

So ends over 50 years of service on the SNN-LHR route.

Needless to say, not a word at a political level. Next question: how long will EI t/a services stay at SNN? Some reports have spoken of services ending in Octoer.

My question: to those who say that EI is a commercial enterprise, where do you draw the line? If EI suddenly decided to use all its LHR slots for lucrative long haul routes, would that be acceptable? At what point is "too much"? Cork? Dublin? If there is no line, why not just sell the remaining shareholding, because it's clear that the govt is not going to use its 25% shareholding to exercise any protection.

I don't want EI to be a vassal of govt policy, BUT I do want it to be an Irish airline, serving our needs and contributing to our growth. To me, as happy as I am to see EI succeed and grow, that can't be at the cost of its primary role. I really do hope that BFS is a success for EI, because there are no safety nets now.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-13 14:37:16 and read 3888 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 205):
BUT I do want it to be an Irish airline, serving our needs and contributing to our growth

Kinda agree and kinda don't, if thats the case then should SNN - LHR and SNN - DUB be PSO's? I think it's more important for EI to be successful right, times are hard and EI is lucky enough to be doing ok (and just about ok). When EI has a larger fleet, they have profits in the 100's of millions, are carrying 30 - 40 million passengers a year and can really do some damage to other airlines then I think they should come back and support SNN and DUB and ORK is necessary. I think we built our own monster (FR) and now we reap what we sow.

I don't think EI will pull out of SNN completely either, much reduced frequency most likely but they won't pull out.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-13 14:41:46 and read 3882 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 205):
how long will EI t/a services stay at SNN? Some reports have spoken of services ending in Octoer.

If that happens then SNN would become a regional airport like LDY or CFN !! I do hope that its wrong. With the down turn trend in the USA and a suspected drop in USA-Ireland visits who knows what the future for T/A flights will be. Beleek just shed production jobs due to the down turn in the USA. These things have a habbit of domino effect.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 205):
I don't want EI to be a vassal of govt policy, BUT I do want it to be an Irish airline, serving our needs and contributing to our growth.

Indeed , there is a balance . Hopefully this is the last of the route changes and that BFS will be a success and SNN can maintain its current remaining services. I wonder if the government would step in to stop axing of T/A services if it was on the cards???

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 205):
because there are no safety nets now.

Well the EU has promoted such a environment without properly thinking it through. I think it could have been done in a different way. They are actively hounding OA at the moment but thank god the Greeks have come out in their thousands to protest. In a country such as Greece you need safety nets for Domestic routes as it is literally a life line. Something that the Greeks have told Brussels is not negotiable. If they stand up strong against the bureaucrats in Brussels then it will show them that they cant walk over a nation.

Lucky that EI is in such good shape but what happens if a huge ecomomic crash in the USA happens and they go the other way ??? Routes could be slashed and A/C sold making Ireland dependant on foreign carriers for its economy. FR wouldnt think twice about leaving Irish soil in such an event. Being so vunerable is not a good idea IMHO!! Historically carriers come and carriers go but you always had your national airline to rely on a link to the world. This issue is more important to Island nations.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-13 16:12:22 and read 3828 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 207):
Lucky that EI is in such good shape but what happens if a huge ecomomic crash in the USA happens and they go the other way ??? Routes could be slashed and A/C sold making Ireland dependant on foreign carriers for its economy. FR wouldnt think twice about leaving Irish soil in such an event. Being so vunerable is not a good idea IMHO!! Historically carriers come and carriers go but you always had your national airline to rely on a link to the world. This issue is more important to Island nations.

Interesting points. The economy goes through peaks and valleys, as we all know. What is important is keeping an eye on things so that when a dark day does come you will be in the best possible position to weather the storm. Historically EI has not been so good at preempting these events, but the proactive responses have been good. The likes of OA and AZ have been good at neither and they deserve what is coming to them IMHO. If the unions/staff/national pride feel the need to bleed an organisation dry then that nation does not deserve to be in charge of that organisation.

Can we advocate a privitisation of EI and then turn around when we dont like the commercial decisions made? I dont think so. If there is money to be made in SNN, EI will stay. If the fleet can be better used elsewhere then EI should do that. There is no point in keeping the status quo just because it has always been that way. Maybe one day EI will feel the pinch at ORK too, or DUB, or BFS. But I would rather see an EI entrenched in DUB than no EI at all.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Eirbus06
Posted 2008-01-13 16:35:20 and read 3832 times.

Below is the last arrival of the LHR service to Shannon in daylight.Went to shannon today just to capture it and it turned out to be none other than EI-DVH!!!

Picture:

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 716 File size: 391kb

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-13 21:25:23 and read 3791 times.

Today, the DAA will find out if it can add an 80,000 sq ft extension to T1 at DUB; planning approval was given by Fingal CC, but appealed to An Bord Pleanala by a residents' association. The design sounds quite interesting: a triangular shaped structure, which is built above (as opposed to on, or from) the ground, to allow easier movement of ramp equipment.

Inevitably, of course, today's aviation news is focused on the last EI flight on the SNN-LHR-SNN route. MO'L was there, handing out free tickets to passengers and predicting that in six months, people will have forgotten EI was even here (doubtful, although I guess FF probably has the same wish!).

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...aer-lingus-checks-out-1265528.html

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-13 23:53:43 and read 3776 times.



Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 156):
Have Ryanair announced that they have stopped flying Dublin Shannon? The flights are no longer on sale post Feb 3rd.

I've heard no announcement regarding SNN-DUB being dropped & it has been advertised quite a bit in the Irish Times. Pity if it gets dropped though only a few months after being introduced. I took it there just before Christmas & it was about half full on the way out but almost completely full on the way back.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: JWMD123
Posted 2008-01-14 02:04:22 and read 3700 times.

Official from FR that they are stopping SNN-DUB

starting up SNN-PMI


http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=08&month=jan&story=rte-en-130108

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 03:16:19 and read 3666 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 208):
The likes of OA and AZ have been good at neither and they deserve what is coming to them IMHO

Well its the politicians in Greece that bled it dry not the people. If your offered a job by the government then you take it. When you work for OA you are a civil servant and working for the government. Thats why OA situation is different than alot of other airlines. Thats why the majority of Greeks want OA saved. Closing down OA will bring major un employment and in turn effect the wider economy. It would be like closing down the whole of the Irish health service in terms of numbers. A small international network like LHR CDG FRA JFK YYZ should be maintained as they do make money and domestic routes are allowed to be subsidised by the EU as they are a essential service and not a luxury. The rest should be scrapped and one common fleet adopted A319's and A340's . Anyway it looks like this is what will happen anyway so fingers crossed. I was looking at the OA planes yesterday and thinking it would be a national disgrace if they let OA go completely.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 04:03:55 and read 3643 times.

Check out the photo !!! Couldnt EI sue for him abusing its SSK's .....LOL.....

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...aer-lingus-checks-out-1265528.html

Checking in Ryanair chief is all smiles as Aer Lingus checks out


Monday January 14 2008


Never one to miss an opportunity to criticise his competitors and turn favour in his direction, Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary turned up at Shannon Airport yesterday to see off the last scheduled Aer Lingus flight to Heathrow.


Wearing a Munster shirt, O'Leary gave all those boarding the flight a free ticket to fly with his airline from Shannon to London.

----------------------------------------------

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...w-flights-begin-today-1265653.html

Aer Lingus Belfast-Heathrow flights begin today
Aer Lingus is beginning flights on its controversial new Belfast-Heathrow route this morning.

The airline caused major outcry in the west of the country last year when it announced plans to scrap Shannon-Heathrow services in favour of the new route from the North.

The last Heathrow-bound flight left Shannon yesterday.

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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0114/1200260372887.html

Mannion will see off first Belfast to Heathrow flight
Dermot Mannion, Aer Lingus's chief executive, along with other senior executives, will be at Aldergrove airport this morning for the opening of the new Aer Lingus service from Belfast to London

---------------------------------------------

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...qqa=general-qqqid=52461-qqqx=1.asp

14 January 2008

Shannon-Heathrow link - Our national interest lost out to greed

The ending of the Shannon-Heathrow link yesterday marks the end of an era. When the government of Seán Lemass embarked on its policy of industrialisation, the Shannon Free Airport Development Company was established as one of the jewels in that crown in 1959.


The people of this country paid for the establishment of Aer Lingus as a national airline to serve the Irish people, but it was sold off. Now naked financial considerations have replaced the national interest.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-14 04:21:13 and read 3628 times.

Ireland West Airport have posted lower figures for 2007 due to the loss of 2 Gatwick routes, but expect to carry 700,000 passengers this year. Also 20M being spent on infrastructure this year and Bus Eireann will (finally) start their Galway, Sligo, Derry, Westport bus connections through the airport.

http://irelandwestairport.com/news.asp?ID=236&dbtype=News

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 04:34:30 and read 3612 times.



Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 215):
Also 20M being spent on infrastructure this year and Bus Eireann will (finally) start their Galway, Sligo, Derry, Westport bus connections through the airport

That will help. The life of an airport lies heavily on public transport connections. One reason I choose DUB over BFS . Its such a pain to get from Newry to BFS with no direct bus/coach service where as DUB is served every hour by 2 companies.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 04:55:15 and read 3600 times.

Fighting talk from Mr. Mannion in Belfast!

Quote:
Dismissing the move as a stunt, Mr Mannion said Ryan Air chief executive Michael O'Leary "knows full well no matter what stunts he pulls Aer Lingus is going to stay independent and there is very little he can do about it."

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0114/breaking41.htm

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-14 06:27:58 and read 3527 times.



Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 212):
Official from FR that they are stopping SNN-DUB

That is a real shame. Thet never really gave the servie a chance. I doubt any SNN-DUB service will ever survive until it is codeshared with EI at DUB & connecting flighrs are on offer. In that regard, maybe RE when they get their codeshare with EI up & running will step up to the plate. Their last try at operating at SNN-DUB service was a real half-arsed attempt. I suppose SNN is not an ideal airport for point to point domestic air travel. There are excellent train services from Ennis & Limerick to Dublin & SNN is just that bit removed from both. It is not like GWY which is only a few miles from the city, is quite accessible from all directions & one can turn up half an hour before their flight & still be in plenty of time.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-14 07:16:34 and read 3496 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 214):
Wearing a Munster shirt, O'Leary gave all those boarding the flight a free ticket to fly with his airline from Shannon to London.

If I were the commercial department at EI I dont think I could resist giving FR a dose of their own medicine. On the last day of DUB-SNN I would be at both DUB and SNN, with my codeshare/interline partner RE announcing my continued commitment to a service which has been serving SNN for donkeys. I think I might be somewhat inclined to give away a few free flights too.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EISHN
Posted 2008-01-14 08:11:58 and read 3472 times.

Hello from the EI lounge at LHR. Well, it's been an interesting day. There was a bit of a private party here this morning for special guests, not sure who they were though. There are green and white balloons throughout. Flight to BFS left on time, but wasn't full. I'd say about 150 pax. Short time on the ground at BFS. Got interviewed by some internet crowd with a camera, and should be up in irishnews.com at some stage today. DM and EC were at BFS doing a photoshoot with some kiddies, and a big carboard sign. Luckily the lounge overlooks the parking area, so I got a load of pics of that. I was disappointed that we weren't served a free meal on the first flight to BFS this morning, but had a nice paid for one instead. Crew were fantastic on the first BFS flight. An absolutely lovely bunch.

OA260, you mentioned that I wouldn't be allowed pics on the tarmac at BFS, cause it's a base, but I managed to get away with a tgood few in frotn of several staff, and had no problems.

Bestwestern, I didn't say anything to MOL about the ending of the DUB route, cause I didn't want to start anything, and didn't think I would be able to defend myself against him.

Bye for now.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 08:19:42 and read 3452 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 219):

If I were the commercial department at EI I dont think I could resist giving FR a dose of their own medicine. On the last day of DUB-SNN I would be at both DUB and SNN, with my codeshare/interline partner RE announcing my continued commitment to a service which has been serving SNN for donkeys. I think I might be somewhat inclined to give away a few free flights too.

I'd love to see EI do something like this but they have always ignored any publicity stunts by FR however recently DM seems to like pointing out to MOL that he failed to take over Aer Lingus and he keeps saying that EI is and always will be independent. I'd like to see RE fight back with some publicity too, I liked their adverts giving all the reasons why it's better to fly them on the ORK-DUB route instead on FR.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-14 08:20:10 and read 3451 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 220):
Bestwestern, I didn't say anything to MOL about the ending of the DUB route, cause I didn't want to start anything, and didn't think I would be able to defend myself against him.

Id love to have a cut at him. I'd have three questions;

1) Congratulations on your success on the DUB-SNN sector, who got fired for that one?
2) Did you expect RE to hang around on ORK-DUB this long, or were you hoping for more of an easyJet style reaction?

and I'd also add;
Duckie, take off the Munster jersey, you might be fooling the idiots in Lenster House and the morons in the press, but you are not fooling me. The gatecrashing of another airlines party....old had boy, Stelios was doing it 10 years ago. Oh, and enjoy your flight!

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BHD
Posted 2008-01-14 08:29:23 and read 3440 times.

Just drove past BHD and there seems to be some construction work going on on top of the terminal at the front above departures? Anyone know what this may be?

Thanks
Woody

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 08:34:59 and read 3431 times.

Good to hear you had a good flight EISHN!

Quoting EISHN (Reply 220):
DM and EC were at BFS doing a photoshoot with some kiddies, and a big carboard sign.

Their school won an art competition and the prize was a trip on one of the first Aer Lingus flight's to LHR, EC mentioned it on the radio and there were a few other guests.

It was interesting listening to EC on the radio, he was asked about the ORK and DUB slots and he said that the routes are meeting the targets they set for them and the schedules are working well so it would be unlikely to see any changes on those routes but he also said that Aer Lingus would never say never and they would make decisions that would be best for the business at all times.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EireRock
Posted 2008-01-14 08:53:49 and read 3418 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 222):
Id love to have a cut at him. I'd have three questions;

1) Congratulations on your success on the DUB-SNN sector, who got fired for that one?
2) Did you expect RE to hang around on ORK-DUB this long, or were you hoping for more of an easyJet style reaction?

and I'd also add;
Duckie, take off the Munster jersey, you might be fooling the idiots in Lenster House and the morons in the press, but you are not fooling me. The gatecrashing of another airlines party....old had boy, Stelios was doing it 10 years ago. Oh, and enjoy your flight!

Well said, its like FR are doing nothing but good for this country when you listen to MO'L. You'd swear butter wouldnt melt in his mouth.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-14 09:06:28 and read 3421 times.

Dublin T1 extension has been given the go ahead:

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0114/breaking64.htm

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EIDAA
Posted 2008-01-14 09:22:55 and read 3413 times.

Does anyone have any information on the old Aer Lingus Commuter operation? What airports were served and when did they cease?

I certainly used fly on the Saabs between GWY and DUB back in the early '90s. Correct me if I am wrong, but did the operation start with the Shorts 360s, move to the Saab 340s and then the Fokker 50s? Am I right in thinking they also operated the 146s into Shannon?

Thinking back to the old days of connecting with EI from GWY to RUH through DUB and LHR... I just think it will be great to have a decent regional carrier like RE operating domestic codeshare services here in Ireland. Hopefully the start of a beautiful friendship between EI and RE.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-01-14 09:24:24 and read 3414 times.



Quoting Sawtooth (Reply 226):
Dublin T1 extension has been given the go ahead:

Excellent News! With the new check-in areas and Pier D, in 18 months DUB will actually have undergone a massive metamorphosis, and should be a lot more pleasent. What I do like about DUB is that gates are announced early and people are encouraged to go the the relevant Pier as soon as they go through security. I like not having a large central holding area, and the shopping opportunities at DUB are fairly reasonable as well. Comparing DUB to 18 months ago and there is a massive positive improvements, security lines are better managed, there is more room for PAX and the terminal seems less grimy and depressing.

I await the FR press release announcing legal action against this development. Heaven forbid that the DAA do anything to ease the passenger experience.

Brian.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: AC747
Posted 2008-01-14 09:43:21 and read 3403 times.

Back in YVR and over the jetlag (sort of). Zoom did themsleves proud out out BFS the other day. It would be great to see them serve DUB (or SNN...or ORK)!
Just on something that came up ages ago: any news on the Iceland Express rumour about starting a run from DUB to Keflavik?
It went very quiet on that one very quickly.
Oh, and well done to RE on the jets...and to Galway and Waterford. Decent jet connections at last for those airports. Nice to see.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-14 09:54:20 and read 3394 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 200):



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 210):
Today, the DAA will find out if it can add an 80,000 sq ft extension to T1 at DUB; planning approval was given by Fingal CC, but appealed to An Bord Pleanala by a residents' association. The design sounds quite interesting: a triangular shaped structure, which is built above (as opposed to on, or from) the ground, to allow easier movement of ramp equipment.

The extension will block the view on the left of the A pier as you walk towards the A and D gates from the shopping/security area..

Quoting OA260 (Reply 214):
Dermot Mannion, Aer Lingus's chief executive, along with other senior executives, will be at Aldergrove airport this morning for the opening of the new Aer Lingus service from Belfast to London

Shame they are doing far far more for BFS than they ever appeared to do for DXB.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 219):
If I were the commercial department at EI I dont think I could resist giving FR a dose of their own medicine.

The official policy is reacting would just encourage him.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Sawtooth
Posted 2008-01-14 10:08:48 and read 3390 times.

"Lough Neagh Airport", oh the irony, that O'leary lad is on fire today!

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=08&month=jan&story=pro-en-140108

[Edited 2008-01-14 10:09:58]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-14 10:09:51 and read 3389 times.



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 227):
Does anyone have any information on the old Aer Lingus Commuter operation? What airports were served and when did they cease?

I certainly used fly on the Saabs between GWY and DUB back in the early '90s. Correct me if I am wrong, but did the operation start with the Shorts 360s, move to the Saab 340s and then the Fokker 50s? Am I right in thinking they also operated the 146s into Shannon?

Thinking back to the old days of connecting with EI from GWY to RUH through DUB and LHR... I just think it will be great to have a decent regional carrier like RE operating domestic codeshare services here in Ireland. Hopefully the start of a beautiful friendship between EI and RE.

I have some recollection, but not 100% accurate, so anyone who can add more or correct me, please do!

The first ALC aircraft was a Shorts 330; now, even that is a bit fuzzy in my memory, because although EI definitely had a 330, I can't recall if it carried Aer Lingus or Aer Lingus Commuter titles? After the 330, there were Shorts 360s; four, I think - EI-BEK, L, M and BPD. EI-BEM was lost at EMA in Jan '86.

The Fokker 50s were added in pairs, in 1989, 90 and 91; these continued with EI until early this decade, I think. The Saabs replaced the Shorts, although again, can't remember the exact dates of the operation of these aircraft. ALC added 146s in about 95-96, I think; they all carried ALC titles and they did operate DUB-SNN/vv; indeed, my first 146 flight was on the SNN-DUB route.

As to other routes, there were domestics to SXL, KIR, Waterford (for a very short time), NOC and ORK. I think they also did a NOC-BHX or MAN at one stage too. They operated ORK-REN and for a while, they tried to use BRS as a hub (much like they did with MAN), operating DUB-BRS-BRU, possibly DUS as well?

It was nice while it lasted!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 10:18:48 and read 3380 times.



Quoting Bramble (Reply 230):
Shame they are doing far far more for BFS than they ever appeared to do for DXB.

True and I hope it continues after the hype of the first flight's. More advertising that isn't just noticeable to us aviation enthusiasts is needed on both TV, Radio and print. What happened to those promotional photos that were taken at BFS of cabin crew on the aircraft steps, will they be used in new adverts or something?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 10:30:00 and read 3372 times.



Quoting EISHN (Reply 220):
Luckily the lounge overlooks the parking area, so I got a load of pics of that.

Cool whats the lounge like now?? It was closed when I was there as it was too early.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 220):
irishnews.com

The RA will know who you are now LOL.....

Quoting EISHN (Reply 220):
OA260, you mentioned that I wouldn't be allowed pics on the tarmac at BFS, cause it's a base, but I managed to get away with a tgood few in frotn of several staff, and had no problems.

Probably due to the event and other press there etc.. is was ok . Just like my AMS TR. Glad you got to take the pics and looking forward to a TR !!

Quoting Bramble (Reply 230):
Shame they are doing far far more for BFS than they ever appeared to do for DXB.

I guess DXB was not a big base thats why .


Well here is my final LX TR for the season....had a good time . Was nice to get a few shots of the Lauda Air 737 at Pier D . Also the two EI A330's at Pier C. Shame MCO does not pre clear in DUB !!

LX J Class DUB-ZRH-ATH Vids+Pics (12 JAN 2008) (by OA260 Jan 14 2008 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Tonymctigue
Posted 2008-01-14 11:03:36 and read 3348 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 219):
If I were the commercial department at EI I dont think I could resist giving FR a dose of their own medicine. On the last day of DUB-SNN I would be at both DUB and SNN, with my codeshare/interline partner RE announcing my continued commitment to a service which has been serving SNN for donkeys. I think I might be somewhat inclined to give away a few free flights too.

While it must be hard to resist counter-attacking MOL, anyone will tell you the best way of dealing with bullies is to rise above them by simply ignoring them. That will get to them more than any form of retaliation. Besides, if EI di go around giving out free flights, one can only imagine that FR will somehow turn it around into publicity for themselves. Banner headlines something like "Aer Lingus finally learns a lesson from Ryanair" or something like that.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-14 11:05:28 and read 3346 times.

Lansing anyone?

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...80114/NEWS03/801140336/1004/news03

A US operator, Kenny Tours, will be operating flights from SNN to Lansing, MI, this Summer, with the possibility of flights to Germany as well (via SNN). Not quite sure what airline will operate it, but I'm assuming ATA?

Not high on my list of "must see" places, but good to see SNN get a new t/a link. Incidentally, of all the US carriers flying scheduled to SNN, is there any that don't fly 757s? CO, DL and US do ... that's about it, I think, plus whatever charters there are.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Dstc47
Posted 2008-01-14 11:16:48 and read 3339 times.

Re schoolkids

Saw the very end of a news report on UTV - which showed N.I. primary kids preparing some kind of a design, with just one brief final shot then showing it being applied to an EI aircraft - it ties in with the earlier report in this thread, but also suggests we may have a new EI logojet, well if an A3 size presumably temporary addition does a logojet make! Presumably a Belfast based aircraft. Design seemed to have a sun like motif, but I was paying no attention until the EI aircraft appeared.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 11:30:15 and read 3318 times.

I think it's already on the aircraft, very poorly placed under the "A" in Aer Lingus. It looks like it's peeled already! I wish EI would place these stickers in better places, the logos on the A321s look awkward and the Unicef stickers look a bit odd on the A330, well whats left of them as they started peeling off a week after they were applied.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 11:32:19 and read 3317 times.

Heres the link to the Irish news video . EISHN looks like you didnt make the cut , maybe they couldnt afford your fees!! LOL......

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...nk/bcpid1370862952/bctid1377890295

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 11:39:20 and read 3307 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 239):
Heres the link to the Irish news video . EISHN looks like you didnt make the cut , maybe they couldnt afford your fees!! LOL......

You can see the sticker at 00.47 looks like a sun with a big grin!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Smokeyrosco
Posted 2008-01-14 12:22:13 and read 3277 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 210):
which is built above (as opposed to on, or from) the ground, to allow easier movement of ramp equipment.

Well if they didn't build it off the ground we'd have no access to one of the baggage halls and wouldn't be able to service belts 6+.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Bramble
Posted 2008-01-14 12:52:22 and read 3242 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 234):
Shame MCO does not pre clear in DUB !!

Heard today that EI will move their Pier C ops to Pier D in about 2 months due Pier C being partially demolished (think its gates C43-46) to make way for T2. Also the EI USA flites that do not clear INS at DUB will use the D gates. (EI119,EI107,and whatever the MCO flite is..{I don't fly in the afternoons,hence post 1500Z means nothing to me!!!})

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EIDAA
Posted 2008-01-14 13:30:14 and read 3214 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 236):
A US operator, Kenny Tours, will be operating flights from SNN to Lansing, MI, this Summer, with the possibility of flights to Germany as well (via SNN). Not quite sure what airline will operate it, but I'm assuming ATA?

I'll throw a few quid on it being Ryan International... any takers?

I would guess them given the suggestion of a service from Rockford, IL which I believe is their base of operations. Might be wrong, but they have a couple of 757s.

Interesting route nonetheless.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 238):
I think it's already on the aircraft, very poorly placed under the "A" in Aer Lingus. It looks like it's peeled already! I wish EI would place these stickers in better places, the logos on the A321s look awkward and the Unicef stickers look a bit odd on the A330, well whats left of them as they started peeling off a week after they were applied.

Looks terrible... looks like it was just thrown on without a care i the world... pointless.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 242):
Heard today that EI will move their Pier C ops to Pier D in about 2 months due Pier C being partially demolished (think its gates C43-46) to make way for T2. Also the EI USA flites that do not clear INS at DUB will use the D gates. (EI119,EI107,and whatever the MCO flite is..{I don't fly in the afternoons,hence post 1500Z means nothing to me!!!})

LOL! MCO is the EI121

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: EIDAA
Posted 2008-01-14 13:31:27 and read 3216 times.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 232):
I have some recollection, but not 100% accurate, so anyone who can add more or correct me, please do!

The first ALC aircraft was a Shorts 330; now, even that is a bit fuzzy in my memory, because although EI definitely had a 330, I can't recall if it carried Aer Lingus or Aer Lingus Commuter titles? After the 330, there were Shorts 360s; four, I think - EI-BEK, L, M and BPD. EI-BEM was lost at EMA in Jan '86.

The Fokker 50s were added in pairs, in 1989, 90 and 91; these continued with EI until early this decade, I think. The Saabs replaced the Shorts, although again, can't remember the exact dates of the operation of these aircraft. ALC added 146s in about 95-96, I think; they all carried ALC titles and they did operate DUB-SNN/vv; indeed, my first 146 flight was on the SNN-DUB route.

As to other routes, there were domestics to SXL, KIR, Waterford (for a very short time), NOC and ORK. I think they also did a NOC-BHX or MAN at one stage too. They operated ORK-REN and for a while, they tried to use BRS as a hub (much like they did with MAN), operating DUB-BRS-BRU, possibly DUS as well?

It was nice while it lasted!

Thanks Kaitak, it looks like it was a significant operation! Must look up more info on it.

Cheers!

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 13:43:45 and read 3199 times.



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 243):
LOL! MCO is the EI121

Indeed it is . I hope that my DUB-MCO goes from Pier D. Will be able to get some good pics and Ive never departed from there before. Interesting to see only 6 people incl. me have taken the oppertunity to upgrade to the J class seating for the extra EUR 150 !!! I would have thought it would be alot more popular.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Irish251
Posted 2008-01-14 13:48:08 and read 3194 times.

Quoting Eirbus06 (Reply 115):
See video clip below. If the shamrock had just a little more fuel,god knows what would have happened.Never heard about this?



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 196):
Last flight, EI 383, showing on Aertel as ETA (SNN) at 21.20. Guess they'll just turn it around and leave at 22.00 or as near as possible. STD from LHR at 19.45, a few minutes from, but guess there must be holding/queuing delays.



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 244):
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 232):
I have some recollection, but not 100% accurate, so anyone who can add more or correct me, please do!

The first ALC aircraft was a Shorts 330; now, even that is a bit fuzzy in my memory, because although EI definitely had a 330, I can't recall if it carried Aer Lingus or Aer Lingus Commuter titles? After the 330, there were Shorts 360s; four, I think - EI-BEK, L, M and BPD. EI-BEM was lost at EMA in Jan '86.

The Fokker 50s were added in pairs, in 1989, 90 and 91; these continued with EI until early this decade, I think. The Saabs replaced the Shorts, although again, can't remember the exact dates of the operation of these aircraft. ALC added 146s in about 95-96, I think; they all carried ALC titles and they did operate DUB-SNN/vv; indeed, my first 146 flight was on the SNN-DUB route.

As to other routes, there were domestics to SXL, KIR, Waterford (for a very short time), NOC and ORK. I think they also did a NOC-BHX or MAN at one stage too. They operated ORK-REN and for a while, they tried to use BRS as a hub (much like they did with MAN), operating DUB-BRS-BRU, possibly DUS as well?

It was nice while it lasted!

Thanks Kaitak, it looks like it was a significant operation! Must look up more info on it.

Cheers!

For a couple of years there was also a weekly Fokker 50 service DUB-GVA during the skiing season - this must have been the longest route regularly flown by the type when in EI service.

[Edited 2008-01-14 13:49:49]

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 14:23:51 and read 3159 times.



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 243):
Looks terrible... looks like it was just thrown on without a care i the world... pointless.

It's a shame that after one flight, a large part of the sticker has peeled off, very poor quality. I can imagine DM running up the steps shouting, "Get me some sticky-back plastic, I need to put this on the plane" and then EC would be on the ground shouting "A little to the left Mr. Mannion..."  Wink

It was quite a good PR move by Aer Lingus so I'm surprised it isn't on their website as a press release. I thought something like "Aer Lingus supports art in schools" would have been good because BA did something similar a few years ago on children's program, Blue Peter.

This was the result, a very popular 757 and a free flight for the young designer.


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Photo © Darren Wilson

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 14:36:58 and read 3131 times.



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 247):
This was the result, a very popular 757 and a free flight for the young designer.

Thats a very nice idea and looks good on the 757 with BA livery. Didnt see that photo before.

I saw the ''Global Challenge'' DL logo jet yesterday in DUB.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: DavecFlyer
Posted 2008-01-14 14:44:48 and read 3125 times.



Quoting Irish251 (Reply 246):
For a couple of years there was also a weekly Fokker 50 service DUB-GVA during the skiing season - this must have been the longest route regularly flown by the type when in EI service.

Yes, this was on a Saturday afternoon - EI7660 was the flight number. I remember hearing it one afternoon having to return and I think dump fuel? - Is that possible on a Fokker 50?

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-01-14 14:56:16 and read 3109 times.



Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 249):
Yes, this was on a Saturday afternoon - EI7660 was the flight number. I remember hearing it one afternoon having to return and I think dump fuel? - Is that possible on a Fokker 50?

I remember doing a day trip BFS-SNN on the A330 and then on a F50 SNN-DUB . It was weird getting off the A330 onto the F50 . Cant say I liked it . Im not a prop fan. They had refurbished the interior though to the poetry upholstery.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Shamrock350
Posted 2008-01-14 15:17:27 and read 3084 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 248):
Thats a very nice idea and looks good on the 757 with BA livery. Didnt see that photo before.

I lasted about two years I think before being repainted to standard colours last summer. I started to prefer the BA livery without the blue for a while.

It would have been nice to see EI to take advantage of that competition they held by making it a bit more public. They would have put the brand out there and they would be supporting schools in Northern Ireland at the same time.

The kids show on BBC followed the process of re-painting a BA 757 and that's how they started the competition, schools handed out BA 757 cut outs that kids could design themselves and send them in. The winner would get to see their design painted onto the aircraft and they would be given a free flight on the aircraft.

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-14 21:13:22 and read 3010 times.

Atlas Air cargo acft, ER ATL-SNN, makes emer. landing at SNN:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0114/shannon.html

Time, I think, to move on to No. 3/08 ...

Topic: RE: Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2008-01-14 21:27:08 and read 3013 times.

The edit feature seems to have disappeared again ...

Here's the link to 3/08:

Future-focused Flying: Irish Aviation 3/08 (by Kaitak Jan 14 2008 in Civil Aviation)


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