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Topic: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: WINGS
Posted 2008-01-17 07:03:36 and read 4188 times.

Well even though we were given a hint yesterday, the confirmation has finally reached the press.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aVFkYdc.HFcQ

AIG Inc's International Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest aircraft lessor, is in talks to add 10 A350s to a previous order and may also buy more than 100 single-aisle planes, Leahy said in an interview.

Regards,
Wings

[Edited 2008-01-17 07:04:12]

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: SAS A340
Posted 2008-01-17 07:29:10 and read 4094 times.

This is good news,you guys and girls out there,lets start counting the orders for 2008....  bouncy 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-01-17 07:29:13 and read 4094 times.

I wonder what Andrea's friend will have to say about ILFC's A350 top-up?  wink 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Chiad
Posted 2008-01-17 10:17:12 and read 3798 times.



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIG Inc's International Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest aircraft lessor, is in talks to add 10 A350s to a previous order and may also buy more than 100 single-aisle planes, Leahy said in an interview.

Thanks for the news WINGS.
If this one firms up this month then Airbus will beat previous January.
I am no specialist in the industry, but if there was a slow down in orders then I missed it somehow.
This is crazy. Maybe I should hold my horses but it seems to me that Airbus is already stretching towards another year with a 1000 orders.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-01-17 10:20:13 and read 3781 times.

The year 2008 will see many, many orders for the A350. Just my 2c.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: LifelinerOne
Posted 2008-01-17 10:28:18 and read 3731 times.

With lease corporations like AWAS and ILFC still ordering large flocks of narrowbodies A320 series and B737 series one would expect that a next generation narrowbody is further away than one might think.

Or, can these orders be converted to the new series and are leasing corporations just buying in order to make sure they don't miss the boat when Boeing or Airbus announces their new products?

Nevertheless, if signed, a big order for Airbus and a great start for the new year. Adding A350's is also a good boost for the program. Maybe they have a lot of airlines already asking about availability at ILFC?

Cheers!  wave 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: CygnusChicago
Posted 2008-01-17 10:37:08 and read 3683 times.



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Or, can these orders be converted to the new series and are leasing corporations just buying in order to make sure they don't miss the boat when Boeing or Airbus announces their new products?

I'm pretty sure they can be converted. The challenge is of course that the larger the backlog, the higher the incentive for B or A to hold off on launching the replacement narrow-body.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: RedFlyer
Posted 2008-01-17 10:43:37 and read 3661 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
The year 2008 will see many, many orders for the A350. Just my 2c.

I'm thinking the biggest year for the A350 will come in 2009, after design freeze and after the 787 is flying (assuming there are no further delays on that bird). IMHO, there's still too many variables out there and some carriers may still be taking a wait-and-see attitude. That is not to say the A350 won't sell well this year, just that I think the floodgates for it will open in 2009.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: WINGS
Posted 2008-01-18 01:07:05 and read 3399 times.

What I'm most curious to see is Mr Aboulafia reaction to ILFC placing yet another follow on order for the A350.

With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.

Regards,
Wings

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: N1786b
Posted 2008-01-18 01:17:52 and read 3371 times.



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.

Leahy was reported as saying the NSR won't see the light of day until 2017 at earliest. So if he is talking about the EIS, it will be launched around 2012.

- n1786b

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: PM
Posted 2008-01-18 01:21:36 and read 3356 times.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
I wonder what Andrea's friend will have to say about ILFC's A350 top-up?

He'll sneer, "Why only 10 more...?"  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: LifelinerOne
Posted 2008-01-18 01:29:28 and read 3323 times.



Quoting PM (Reply 10):
He'll sneer, "Why only 10 more...?"

Yes, he will probably come up with something like:

"It's good to see Airbus is picking up more orders for it's troubled A350 program. However, as ILFC is not a blue-chip lease corporation I cannot see the A350 become a success as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is".

 Wink

Cheers!  wave 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Planemaker
Posted 2008-01-18 01:30:54 and read 3319 times.



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Leahy was reported as saying the NSR won't see the light of day until 2017 at earliest. So if he is talking about the EIS, it will be launched around 2012.

The later the better I've always said (and have been pummeled for it!  Smile )

Just think of the technology that will be incorporated in the Narrow Body replacements with just a few extra years of development!!

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: AutoThrust
Posted 2008-01-18 01:31:00 and read 3319 times.

Nice little Order. Big grin

Ok whats next upcoming on our list?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
What I'm most curious to see is Mr Aboulafia reaction to ILFC placing yet another follow on order for the A350.

Indeed can't wait to read which excuse he will write to explain that.  devil 

I guess GE isn't happy either as they are losing more and more ground on the A350.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: PM
Posted 2008-01-18 01:38:15 and read 3289 times.



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
"It's good to see Airbus is picking up more orders for it's troubled A350 program. However, as ILFC is not a blue-chip lease corporation I cannot see the A350 become a success as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is".

 rotfl 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Worldrider
Posted 2008-01-18 01:52:22 and read 3248 times.



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 7):
'm thinking the biggest year for the A350 will come in 2009, after design freeze and after the 787 is flying (assuming there are no further delays on that bird). IMHO, there's still too many variables out there and some carriers may still be taking a wait-and-see attitude. That is not to say the A350 won't sell well this year, just that I think the floodgates for it will open in 2009.

i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late, if Airbus hasn't revealed design freeze it's because Boeing hasn't yet revealed the 787-1, they don't want to see any other "340 vs. 777" nightmare again, so far they are playing quite well.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: LifelinerOne
Posted 2008-01-18 01:58:54 and read 3229 times.



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15):
i cannot see AF

You're right. AF-KLM is to order 100 A350's and/or B787's this year as has been confirmed by the executives involved in the purchase last year.

Cheers!  wave 

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-01-18 02:13:20 and read 3189 times.



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15):
i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late, if Airbus hasn't revealed design freeze it's because Boeing hasn't yet revealed the 787-1

Let's just be clear here - the basic configuration of the A350 is frozen (it will not get bigger or smaller, it is what it is). Detailed design freeze is sheduled for later this year. This was confirmed by Enders at the conference on Wednesday.

Airbus will not change the -900 or -1000 regardless of what 787-10 Boeing eventually makes available.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: RedFlyer
Posted 2008-01-18 07:00:45 and read 2890 times.



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15):
i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late,



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 16):
You're right. AF-KLM is to order 100 A350's and/or B787's this year as has been confirmed by the executives involved in the purchase last year.

Very valid points; however, an airline doesn't have to "order" to get a slot in the delivery queue. I've no doubt prospective customers have delivery slots reserved with expiration dates (meaning order by a specific date or lose the slot). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the same airline has reserved delivery slots with competing models of the 787 and the A350.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Let's just be clear here - the basic configuration of the A350 is frozen (it will not get bigger or smaller, it is what it is). Detailed design freeze is sheduled for later this year. This was confirmed by Enders at the conference on Wednesday.

Airbus will not change the -900 or -1000 regardless of what 787-10 Boeing eventually makes available.

True. And while not related directly to design freeze, there is that touchy issue of whether or not GE will come aboard. I think that is probably the only chink in the armor of an otherwise stellar airframe.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Thorben
Posted 2008-01-18 07:04:39 and read 2880 times.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
I wonder what Andrea's friend will have to say about ILFC's A350 top-up?

That they are using the good money the are making with their Boeing lease deals to buy Airbus planes in order to get more market-share.

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2008-01-18 10:39:38 and read 2724 times.

Why would they order so many A-320's with a slower year anticipated?

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-01-18 11:42:45 and read 2619 times.



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 20):
Why would they order so many A-320's with a slower year anticipated?

Define slower.

A sales year that was 30% down on 2007 would still come out to over 900 orders. Even sales down 40% on 2007 is a not to be sniffed at 800 orders.

Or are you expecting a complete stop?

Topic: RE: Ilfc Close To Ordering 10 A350's & 100+ A320's
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-01-18 11:46:25 and read 2603 times.



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 20):
Why would they order so many A-320's with a slower year anticipated?

More people lease in slower years than buy new.


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