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Topic: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: StarGoldLHR
Posted 2008-03-13 08:10:23 and read 11065 times.

BBC news is reporting that a man with a rucksack has jumped the perimeter fence and run in front of a landing aircraft.

North runway is closed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7294745.stm

[Edited 2008-03-13 08:14:22]

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: RoyalAirMaroc
Posted 2008-03-13 08:19:39 and read 11014 times.

Wow, another breach of security at LHR... when will BAA get thier act together :$

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gh123
Posted 2008-03-13 08:23:02 and read 10969 times.

Idiot, probably some tree hugging prat

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2008-03-13 08:25:33 and read 10909 times.

Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: RoyalAirMaroc
Posted 2008-03-13 08:26:06 and read 10911 times.

The funny thing is.... what message was he trying to get across ???

"People should be able to walk on an active runway" Big grin

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 08:26:41 and read 10910 times.



Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 4):
The funny thing is.... what message was he trying to get across ???

"People should be able to walk on an active runway"

It may be that he was a terrorist - I doubt it though as he sounds a little amateur!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: StarGoldLHR
Posted 2008-03-13 08:27:29 and read 10911 times.

Considerable delays mounting.. approx 20-40 minutes

Some domestic and west europe flights are now delayed indefinitely though restricted operations have started on the runway according to BBC news.

BBC24 says apparently 1 man arrested rucksack may be detonated as a controled explosion.... is this the wisest idea on the runway - surely not ??

[Edited 2008-03-13 08:29:27]

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2008-03-13 08:27:42 and read 10874 times.



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 2):
some tree hugging prat

Man And Tree Cross Runway.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: David L
Posted 2008-03-13 08:28:18 and read 10876 times.

And BBC News 24 just added that last month protesters managed to get on top of a "Boeing 777". Didn't they notice the corrections they made at the time?  sarcastic  Sigh...

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: RJ111
Posted 2008-03-13 08:31:52 and read 10828 times.

I hope this doesn't ruin our ability to spot on the north runway.  

[Edited 2008-03-13 08:33:51]

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Tonystan
Posted 2008-03-13 08:32:38 and read 10820 times.



Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
Security at LHR is a joke.

I would not go so far to criticise LHR security in this instance. Every airport has a couple of miles of perimeter fencing which requires round the clock surveillance. The very fact that this man was captured in such a short space of time I for one think suggests that security was on the ball in this instance.

And remember, the reason why they are checking your toothpaste is because at this airport an attempt was made by a number of terrorists to attack YOUR country NYCAAer and it was quashed by the brilliant security and intelligence in the UK. So be careful who you mock!!!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-03-13 08:34:00 and read 10788 times.



Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
Security at LHR is a joke.

How do you propose Heathrow (or any other major airport for that matter) secure its perimeter in such a way that it's impossible for someone to either cut through or climb over it?

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.

Those security folks are inside the terminals, not patrolling the perimeter fence.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 08:35:49 and read 10745 times.



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
And remember, the reason why they are checking your toothpaste is because at this airport an attempt was made by a number of terrorists to attack YOUR country NYCAAer and it was quashed by the brilliant security and intelligence in the UK. So be careful who you mock!!!

Well said  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Sevenair
Posted 2008-03-13 08:36:34 and read 10747 times.

And BA hasn't cancelled it's entire short haul network. They are getting good!

When I read a man ran in front of a plane, I thought suicide. But not necessarily a terrorist attack.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
How do you propose Heathrow (or any other major airport for that matter) secure its perimeter in such a way that it's impossible for someone to either cut through or climb over it?

Having it patrolled? Maybe?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: MAN23R
Posted 2008-03-13 08:39:09 and read 10684 times.

he may of been trying to catch his flight!  Smile


no seriously....
BBC says the guys is asian/arabic

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-13 08:39:42 and read 10684 times.



Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.

When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-03-13 08:41:02 and read 10683 times.



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 13):
Having it patrolled? Maybe?

It is currently patrolled from the road, but there are several places where the road and fence "part company".

The perimeter fence is nothing more than a deterrent. Even if it was patrolled every 5 minutes, it would not stop someone who's determined to get through/over it.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gh123
Posted 2008-03-13 08:43:11 and read 10657 times.

Now reports that a controlled explosion has been performed.

Note: This does not necessarily mean that he had explosives on him at this time.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-13 08:45:12 and read 10627 times.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):

The perimeter fence is nothing more than a deterrent. Even if it was patrolled every 5 minutes, it would not stop someone who's determined to get through/over it.

Precisely - if the Berlin Wall couldn't keep in those who were determined enough to get out, what makes people think keeping the determined out is going to be doable?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 08:44:52 and read 10627 times.

SKY News is saying that Southern runway is open and the Northern runway is being partially used (I guess for landings) the bag is beleived to off been the subject of a controlled explosion.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gh123
Posted 2008-03-13 08:45:40 and read 10627 times.



Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.

Perhaps he's suggesting that LHR should have guard tower's every few hundred yards with shooters in waiting.

We're talking about Heathrow Airport, not Guantanamo Bay or Folsom Prison.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Whappeh
Posted 2008-03-13 08:49:55 and read 10538 times.



Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
When you come up with a scheme which secures 15KM of fencing that doesn't involve more money than the GDP of some smaller nations, you can throw the first stone.

Easy: pay spotters to spot and double as security with walkie-talkies. Pay £1 an hour. You're getting paid to do a hobby (and that means you can brag to all your friends you're a pro) and they get security.

Win-win.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2008-03-13 08:50:46 and read 10538 times.



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 9):
I hope this doesn't ruin our ability to spot on the north runway

They'd be stupid to do that considering this quote from the article.."Ben Ando said police received numerous 999 calls from members of the public".

Best damn security around...Your "Public".

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 08:50:37 and read 10538 times.

Thinking about this slightly more rationally than I was earlier - I'm now pretty sure that we're not talking about a suicide bomber as they would, even if they missed their intended target (I'm assuming a plane) would have blown themselves up when the Police arrived before they could be captured. Witness the actions of the blokes who crashed their car into Glasgow airport and then tried to burn themselves to death rather than be captured.

My opinion - this will turn out to be a nutter who's either trying to make a point or needs attention!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: 747438
Posted 2008-03-13 08:53:09 and read 10486 times.



Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.

Crew members should know the rules. If they choose not to comply with them, then they must accept having to voluntarily abandon the prohibited items the try to bring through

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: A390
Posted 2008-03-13 09:00:07 and read 10432 times.

Not an A.netter trying to get a better camera angle ?  flamed 

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: UAL777UK
Posted 2008-03-13 09:00:25 and read 11223 times.

What a prat, I hope he gets thrown in the dungeon and they throw away the key!

Your never going to have 100% security at an airport or just about anywhere else for that matter.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: WESTERN737800
Posted 2008-03-13 09:00:27 and read 11218 times.

Have the spotters throw rocks at him. Then lock him up, throw away the key, and give him moldy bread and water. I wouldn't even let him clean a closed runway with a toothbrush!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gh123
Posted 2008-03-13 09:01:04 and read 11229 times.

NO EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN HIS RUCK-SACKS.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 09:02:16 and read 11193 times.



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 28):
NO EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN HIS RUCK-SACKS.

Nutter then!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: MAN23R
Posted 2008-03-13 09:07:50 and read 11119 times.

T5 is opens tomorrow, my guess its a green activist, idiot!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 09:08:01 and read 11175 times.

Quote from the BBC website:

" Norman Shanks, a former head of security at airports operator BAA, said it was not the first time a person had climbed over airport fencing.

He said it often transpired they were drunk or mentally unstable, and occasionally they were protesters.

"Who knows what category this person falls into," he told BBC News 24. "

That's a hell of a night on the beer if you deicide it's a good idea to run accross the runway at Heathrow............

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: KL1291
Posted 2008-03-13 09:08:59 and read 11160 times.

http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/ramp-agent

Just give the man a job!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Climb1
Posted 2008-03-13 09:30:43 and read 10930 times.



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 26):
What a prat, I hope he gets thrown in the dungeon and they throw away the key!

I doubt it! You know what the UK system is like....

If he is found to be (just!) a "nutter" then he will probably be released in the next few days and walk right into a £££ interview with one of the weekend newspapers!  Yeah sure

Makes me wonder whether its better being on the wrong side of the law sometimes!!!!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Richierich
Posted 2008-03-13 09:34:06 and read 10885 times.



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 2):
Idiot, probably some tree hugging prat

That was basically my first thought too...

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 5):
It may be that he was a terrorist - I doubt it though as he sounds a little amateur!

Not all of the terrorists are "professional" - the GLA incident comes to mind. But this was one of those that I think even a terrorist wouldn't try.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
Those security folks are inside the terminals, not patrolling the perimeter fence.

Maybe its time there should be a patrol or two making sweeps of LHR. It wouldn't stop everything but it is one small extra line of protection.

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 13):
When I read a man ran in front of a plane, I thought suicide. But not necessarily a terrorist attack.

After reading in The Sun that a pint of beer is set to double in price over the next four years and the traditional pub is in jeopardy, maybe he decided the UK wasn't the place for him and decided to catch a plane "home" via the same method he used to get into the UK.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BMIFlyer
Posted 2008-03-13 09:42:25 and read 10794 times.

Hmm

Quoting BBC:
The BBC's Ben Ando said police received numerous 999 calls at 1405 GMT from members of the public.

He said reports were of a man of Asian or Arab appearance removing his shoes before scaling the airport's perimeter fence.

At first thoughts, you would think "suicide bomber". hopefully it was just a nutter, and not an al Qaeda "practice" run.



Lee

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: LHRBlueSkies
Posted 2008-03-13 09:43:25 and read 10820 times.



Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
Security at LHR is a joke. The security people there are too busy harrassing crew members about having the proper size of toothpaste and hand lotion in their 20cm x 20cm plastic bag to be worried about such trivial matters as people making it onto the tarmac.

Oh please...  banghead  like US security is just sooooooooooo perfect, and air crew never try to smuggle things they know to be against the rules, or even illegal, through the security points do they?!  sigh   sigh 

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
I would not go so far to criticise LHR security in this instance. Every airport has a couple of miles of perimeter fencing which requires round the clock surveillance. The very fact that this man was captured in such a short space of time I for one think suggests that security was on the ball in this instance.

And remember, the reason why they are checking your toothpaste is because at this airport an attempt was made by a number of terrorists to attack YOUR country NYCAAer and it was quashed by the brilliant security and intelligence in the UK. So be careful who you mock!!!

Thank you!  Yeah sure  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
The perimeter fence is nothing more than a deterrent. Even if it was patrolled every 5 minutes, it would not stop someone who's determined to get through/over it.

Exactly, and we don't want a massive concrete wall all around, make it feel like prison.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 23):
this will turn out to be a nutter who's either trying to make a point or needs attention!


yup, money's on the nutter theory!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Anglo2
Posted 2008-03-13 09:54:29 and read 10726 times.

He was probably recruited by the government to justify their 'Anti Terrorism' policy like they did at
Glasgow Airport. We haven't had an 'incident' lately have we? Have to keep up the pretence that they
are 'protecting' us don't they.

[Edited 2008-03-13 09:55:16]

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gosimeon
Posted 2008-03-13 10:02:58 and read 10653 times.

His bags were full of personal items. Perhaps this was a suicide attempt?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-03-13 10:02:45 and read 10727 times.

Gotta love the media :::

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1309211,00.html

''Protesters walked on to the runway last month and climbed on to a Boeing 777 before unfurling a banner in protest against the airport's expansion.''

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BlackProjects
Posted 2008-03-13 10:04:53 and read 10670 times.

Several years ago a similar thing happend while i was spotting at LHR but on the Southern Runway an unstable person climbed over the fence with a large ruck sack on his back and made for a BA 747 that was waiting to take off and Scaled the nose gear legg and whent up into the nose gear bay.

As this was happening a large group of us spotters had been dialing 999 and alerting the Police but the BA Jet was alerted by another pilot who had seen the unstable guy go up the nose legg.

The result was the 747 being delayed while the police removed the unstable person and then the machine had to be checked out.

Im wondering if its the same Happie chappie at it again.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: LHR777
Posted 2008-03-13 10:08:19 and read 10636 times.



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 22):
They'd be stupid to do that considering this quote from the article.."Ben Ando said police received numerous 999 calls from members of the public".

Best damn security around...Your "Public".

Except that the intruder/nutter/mentalist (etc) was first spotted by a British Airways staff member, who immediately contacted BA Corporate Security who in turn contacted the Airport Police, who immediately apprehended the guy.

LHR has around 15KM of perimeter fence. Perhaps they should electrify it. That'd do the trick.  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-13 10:11:19 and read 10590 times.



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 41):

LHR has around 15KM of perimeter fence. Perhaps they should electrify it. That'd do the trick. Wink

Nah, some bright spark would figure out how to hook their phone charger to it  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2008-03-13 10:11:24 and read 10620 times.



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 40):
Several years ago a similar thing happend while i was spotting at LHR but on the Southern Runway an unstable person climbed over the fence with a large ruck sack on his back and made for a BA 747 that was waiting to take off and Scaled the nose gear legg and whent up into the nose gear bay.

As this was happening a large group of us spotters had been dialing 999 and alerting the Police but the BA Jet was alerted by another pilot who had seen the unstable guy go up the nose legg.

The result was the 747 being delayed while the police removed the unstable person and then the machine had to be checked out.

Im wondering if its the same Happie chappie at it again.

There was a chap who became notorious where I lived for climbing on things. Most famously he caused the abandonment of a football match after climbing on the roof of the stand:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/2979761.stm

he also had to be rescued from the steeple of a church.

Maybe we're looking at a similar pattern of behavouir?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Speedbird2155
Posted 2008-03-13 10:15:13 and read 10550 times.



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 13):

Having it patrolled? Maybe?



Quoting Richierich (Reply 34):
Maybe its time there should be a patrol or two making sweeps of LHR. It wouldn't stop everything but it is one small extra line of protection.

There are patrols by the police on the external side of the fence and within the fence by the BAA. These occur at various times throughout the day.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2008-03-13 10:30:35 and read 10477 times.

What's his a.net username?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Theginge
Posted 2008-03-13 10:40:42 and read 10389 times.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 34):
Maybe its time there should be a patrol or two making sweeps of LHR. It wouldn't stop everything but it is one small extra line of protection.

There are, you can't drive round the perimeter road at LHR without seeing a Police car or two. Apart from having a 50ft high fence you aren't going to stop people climbing over if they really want to!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2008-03-13 11:04:04 and read 10314 times.



Quoting Theginge (Reply 46):
Apart from having a 50ft high fence you aren't going to stop people climbing over if they really want to!

Even a 50ft high fence wouldn't stop someone determined to go through it.

If a bunch of hippy women are able to breach the fence at a US military base hosting nuclear weapons, I don't think Heathrow's fence would pose too much of a challenge to a determined person.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_r...9/11/99/greenham_common/503679.stm

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Par13del
Posted 2008-03-13 11:21:45 and read 10209 times.

We need to look at cheaper solutions to preventing such events, unfortunately, until an a/c crashes and there is loss of life, cheap alternatives will be implemented. So in that vein how about us making up a list:

1. Pay spotters as secondary patrollers - already mentioned

2. Electrify the fence, not the whole fence how about the top.

3. Position snipers at high points with good fields of fire - no guard towers - nuclear option - scale get shot

4. Train attack dogs to stay within the perimeter gap, food and water huts at intervals, cheaper than human towers

5. Increase jail time to something ridiculous, like life in prison. If the pilots had crashed ???????????

Just my thoughts, lets see how us brilliant security folks can help out the clueless airport security folks.  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-13 11:26:58 and read 10180 times.



Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):

1. Pay spotters as secondary patrollers - already mentioned

Far too much of the perimeter is inaccessible to spotters, but accessible to nutters (yes, two different demographics  Wink ).

Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):
2. Electrify the fence, not the whole fence how about the top.

Electric fences are deceptive - they are easy to get through if you really want to, plus the cost would be prohibitive for the amount of fence we are talking about.

Plus, it won't stop the nutters.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):
3. Position snipers at high points with good fields of fire - no guard towers - nuclear option - scale get shot

Number required would be prohibitive, and the ratio of 'doing nothing' to 'getting to do something' is something like a million million to one. Boredom levels would make this pretty much ineffective.

Plus, it won't stop the nutters.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):
4. Train attack dogs to stay within the perimeter gap, food and water huts at intervals, cheaper than human towers

Yay, more things to hit an aircraft in day to day ops  Wink

Plus, it won't stop the nutters.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):
5. Increase jail time to something ridiculous, like life in prison. If the pilots had crashed ???????????

More cost for the tax payer.

Plus, it won't stop the nutters.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: GDB
Posted 2008-03-13 11:29:32 and read 10186 times.

Did this man get anywhere near an aircraft before he was apprehended?
Even if he was physically able to avoid being brought to the ground by a cop, bear in mind most police at LHR are armed, even in my local shop, outside of though very near to the Northern perimeter, the police that pop in to buy food are carrying Glocks.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gkirk
Posted 2008-03-13 11:34:57 and read 10157 times.



Quoting GDB (Reply 50):
Did this man get anywhere near an aircraft before he was apprehended?

Looks like he got VERY close to an Emirates 777

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: G-CIVP
Posted 2008-03-13 11:39:59 and read 10121 times.

GDB - he got very close. Having just seen the TV footage, I'm surprised the SAS MD80 decided to commence take-off. This said, the flightcrew may have thought it was safer to roll rather than face the possible consequences.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BlackProjects
Posted 2008-03-13 12:00:11 and read 9968 times.

Heathrow requires A double Fence the outer one should be Dead and the Inner one should be Live.

So any Numpties climbing the Outer fence can clearly se the Large warning sines saying Warning lethal VOLTAGE 50,000 Volts on the second fence It would solve this kind of problems for ever.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BMIFlyer
Posted 2008-03-13 12:19:45 and read 9914 times.

Hmm, at the moment LHR arrivals / departures are a big mess, many delays.

http://www.heathrowairport.com/

Is 27R still shut?



Lee

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Richierich
Posted 2008-03-13 12:36:45 and read 9817 times.



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 54):
Hmm, at the moment LHR arrivals / departures are a big mess, many delays.

http://www.heathrowairport.com/

Is 27R still shut?

This nut should be charged for all of the inconvenience and cost he has put out to the various airlines, airport and law enforcement. Of course, he probably doesn't have two pennies to rub together.... oh well.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2008-03-13 12:58:42 and read 9748 times.

Scouseflyer

Fortuneately most terrorists are not rocket scientists.

Remember Richard Reid, sitting on a plane trying to set fire to his trainers and thinking that no one would notice.

One thing that we do not want is clever terrorists, there could be cleverer than the authorities.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gh123
Posted 2008-03-13 13:11:47 and read 9614 times.



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 53):
50,000 Volts on the second fence It would solve this kind of problems for ever

They'll never allow that - Health and Safety - it might hurt someone!!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BMIFlyer
Posted 2008-03-13 13:19:03 and read 9529 times.



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 57):
They'll never allow that - Health and Safety - it might hurt someone!!

Exactly, or it will be "against their human rights to be electrocuted to death"  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Soon7x7
Posted 2008-03-13 13:20:28 and read 9502 times.

Probably an International arriving passenger knowing it would be quicker to walk to your connection rather than rely on LHR's people moving "systems"...Been there...Done it!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: DavidkunzVIE
Posted 2008-03-13 13:22:44 and read 9480 times.



Quoting A390 (Reply 25):
Not an A.netter trying to get a better camera angle ?

Nah, we never would... or would we?

Sounds like airport security is a joke. You cant carry a Coke or a beer with you, but,... hey! - Why not be a runway squatter?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BlackProjects
Posted 2008-03-13 13:28:57 and read 9388 times.

Good news LHR has switched over to 09s a lot of the delays are still on going but the Departures are now going of 09 Right which ihas its threshold down nere Terminal 5 miles away from 27 Right.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Leezyjet
Posted 2008-03-13 14:26:25 and read 8741 times.



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 31):
That's a hell of a night on the beer if you deicide it's a good idea to run accross the runway at Heathrow............

An old friend who when he was in the RAF had been out on the lash one night with his mates. They decided it would be a good idea to hitchhike from the pub back to the base, so they stood at the side of the road with their thumbs out waiting for a ride to come along, around 30 mins later they saw some lights in the distance, so moved out into the road to try and flag down the on coming vehicle. Just as they did WHOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH - it was a VC-10 coming into land. They hadn't realised in their drunken state that they were trying to hitchhike on the runway !!!. A night in the cells was followed by a stern "telling off" by the base commander the next day !!.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 34):
Maybe its time there should be a patrol or two making sweeps of LHR. It wouldn't stop everything but it is one small extra line of protection

All one has to do is watch for the patrol to pass, then make the break. It would be impossible to have constant patrols.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 48):
4. Train attack dogs to stay within the perimeter gap, food and water huts at intervals, cheaper than human towers

Could be done with a 2nd inner fence, so the dogs could patrol the sterile area in between but would still be costly and some idiot would probably get bitten by the dogs whilst poking fingers through the outer fence !!.

Using some kind of laser beam system could work, but it would also trigger alot of false alarms caused by rubbish etc blowing across the beams unless you have multiple beams that both must be cut to activate it.

 Smile

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: BR715-A1-30
Posted 2008-03-13 14:41:59 and read 8551 times.



Quoting MAN23R (Reply 14):
he may of been trying to catch his flight!

Was he hitch-hiking?

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 28):
NO EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN HIS RUCK-SACKS.

OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION!!!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Climb1
Posted 2008-03-13 16:46:54 and read 7620 times.



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 62):
around 30 mins later they saw some lights in the distance, so moved out into the road to try and flag down the on coming vehicle. Just as they did WHOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH - it was a VC-10 coming into land.

lol. It left me in stitches reading that!

I was thinking, (a bit o/t) regarding electric fences. Would it be possible that electrifying that much fence around an airfield could cause interference of some sort? You know, to avionics/radar/etc?
I mean im no expert, it was just something that came into my mind when reading the thread. Or has this already been implemented at other airports?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Scrumpy492003
Posted 2008-03-13 17:13:28 and read 7457 times.

When the IRA was acting up 30 years ago, the ARMY had tanks and armoured vehicles patrolling that fence!!

Peter

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2008-03-13 17:33:16 and read 7363 times.

Perhaps the crew of the MD80 thought that he was something to do with the airport.

I am sure that the Army was not permanently in residence.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: ComeAndGo
Posted 2008-03-13 19:20:33 and read 6834 times.

Our days are over. Any day now we'll see graphity sprawled over planes as well.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: PilotNTrng
Posted 2008-03-13 20:15:42 and read 6590 times.



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):

As George Costanza once said on Seinfeld..." Easy big fella." And what the hell is a rucksack?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: EIASJ
Posted 2008-03-13 20:25:04 and read 6548 times.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 41):

"LHR has around 15KM of perimeter fence. Perhaps they should electrify it. That'd do the trick. Wink

Quoting MOO (Reply 42)

"Nah, some bright spark would figure out how to hook their phone charger to it "

Some bright sparks from Ryanair corporate HQ per chance ?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: VHECA
Posted 2008-03-13 22:25:32 and read 6182 times.

A combination of security fencing a la modern maximum security prisons would be an idea. I mean, a litlle razor wire/ectrified wire here and there. Maybe even double fenced with a trench/concrete culvert in between.

Many of the major airports would be able to fund some direction towards this, surely.

Definately some scope for a intuitive security company to explore!

Cheers

VH-ECA

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Ajd1992
Posted 2008-03-14 00:18:30 and read 5915 times.



Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 68):

As George Costanza once said on Seinfeld..." Easy big fella." And what the hell is a rucksack?

Rucksack - backpack, whatever you want to call it.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Par13del
Posted 2008-03-14 02:10:50 and read 5562 times.

Now that the financial hit has been taken, I'm waiting for the bean counters to put our the final figures. A individual wanted attention and he got it, and everyone else will be paying for it, I'm really interested in knowing what his final penalty will be, I laying bets that it will pale in significance to the cost incurred as a result of his actions.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: VS773ER
Posted 2008-03-14 02:43:00 and read 5454 times.



Quoting MAN23R (Reply 30):
T5 is opens tomorrow, my guess its a green activist, idiot!



Quoting Anglo2 (Reply 37):
He was probably recruited by the government to justify their 'Anti Terrorism' policy like they did at
Glasgow Airport. We haven't had an 'incident' lately have we? Have to keep up the pretence that they
are 'protecting' us don't they.

Who reckons he was recruited by BAA to create a security breach? That way when it becomes apparent that the '10 minute to gate' idea they are pushing for T5 doesn't work, they can blame on increased security because of yesterday!!!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: MD11Engineer
Posted 2008-03-14 03:04:50 and read 5364 times.



Quoting Scrumpy492003 (Reply 65):
When the IRA was acting up 30 years ago, the ARMY had tanks and armoured vehicles patrolling that fence!!

Peter

Just for show.

I have seen too many airports, where patrolling the perimeter fence consisted of two bored security guards driving around in their 4x4 with a huge searchlight on the roof, making them visible from a mile away. You need armed foot patrols in camouflage gear, with a dog and night vision equipment.

Jan

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: DavidkunzVIE
Posted 2008-03-14 03:13:26 and read 5338 times.



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 74):
I have seen too many airports, where patrolling the perimeter fence consisted of two bored security guards driving around in their 4x4 with a huge searchlight on the roof, making them visible from a mile away.

I know airports (VIE), where ther is ONE police car with ONE officer circling the airport, and not even directly next to the fence, but some hundred meters out. So what?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-14 03:19:56 and read 5301 times.



Quoting Scrumpy492003 (Reply 65):
When the IRA was acting up 30 years ago, the ARMY had tanks and armoured vehicles patrolling that fence!!

One of the rules of security where protecting a principle or principles involved is the core aim, is that it is next to impossible to protect against someone willing to exchange their life for the life of their target.

The IRA were, relatively speaking, less of a threat when compared against todays extremism - their members were not willing to surrender their own lives for their cause, so their attacks were totally different (one that comes to mind was a mortar attack in 1994, using vans parked outside the perimeter fence).

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Teme82
Posted 2008-03-14 03:22:48 and read 5282 times.

What LHR needs is heavily armed guards with dogs going around the airport!

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: AF1624
Posted 2008-03-14 03:32:32 and read 5249 times.



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 58):
Exactly, or it will be "against their human rights to be electrocuted to death" Wink

Whenever I read british humour like that I can't help thinking about Jeremy Clarkson. It's soo the kind of things he would say. Brilliant.

Anyway, I do think an electrified fence would be quite effective. I'm surprised that has not been done yet. It wouldn't stop the nutters as said before, but what would ? At least it would stop some of them.

But honestly, I think that a pilot on final seeing a guy on the runway thinks quite fast and wonders "do I risk sacrifying 300 people, or do I run over one of them ?". It's cruel, but true. It's rational at least ...

Would the pilot face charges actually ? If the guy he runs over upon landing has nothing to do there (meaning not a ramp worker, maintenance or airport staff) ?

Do we have anything yet on who this guy was and on what he claims he was doing ?

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: JoshSixtySeven
Posted 2008-03-14 03:46:28 and read 5182 times.

Personally, I'd have had him shot on site - make a public statement to these people.

We're too wrapped up in a world of political correctness to remember another civil liberty we're supposedly entitled to - the freedom of speach. Anyone remember that little nugget?

The way I see it, as a frequent flyer from LHR, is that I'm paying outrageous taxes and fees on my tickets for two reasons:

1) Mr Brown would rather I did to build up the treasury for another Scottish Parliament building when the current one is demolished in the next riot/fire/drunken mistake (delete as appropriate) Scotland chooses to have.

2) For the continual improvement and safety of my passage through this great hub.

Evidentally, the latter of the two isn't happening. Which means I'm paying a bit more towards Scotland every time I fly.

Screw civil liberties for idiots like this that really are insane.

Better yet: open up a fast track area with a walk way right across the M25, that'll keep them amused.

Josh

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Cefarix
Posted 2008-03-14 03:51:21 and read 5180 times.

An Asian or Arab man? Their fear of Asian/Arab terrorists must have been playing tricks on their minds! Asians (meaning people from the Indian subcontinent) and Arabs look as different from each other as Europeans do from Arabs...

Note: Asians in the UK refers to people from the Indian subcontinent, and Asians in the US/Canada refers to people from China/Korea/Japan...

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Maddog888
Posted 2008-03-14 04:17:59 and read 5042 times.



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 77):
What LHR needs is heavily armed guards with dogs going around the airport!

(and the other such ideas mentioned)

 Smile  Smile
Seems to me that all these proposals are just another way to give BAA an excuse to jack up it's fees. No, what is needed is a really cheap solution. Now that land mines are politically incorrect for use in wars, what is needed is for the manufacturers to donate some of their unsold stock of say Claymore type directional mines. Set up with a crosshatching of tripe wires near to the perimeter fencing, you could dispense even with the costly patrols thus saving money. Just send out an MX team to replace the product when you hear a bang. This would also have the effect of providing a visual deterent to those attempting to get in of seeming what happened on previous occasions.  Smile  Smile

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gc2
Posted 2008-03-14 06:03:56 and read 4610 times.

"Evidentally, the latter of the two isn't happening. Which means I'm paying a bit more towards Scotland every time I fly."

Well after 700 years of all of our resources being stolen and shipped south and half the population kicked off their land for the English aristocracy I think you need to be grateful we don't send the proper bill! You got off light  Wink


Anywhoo, back on topic! There's not much that can be done with the perimeter fence. For example even at a small airport like Stansted there are over 11 miles to patrol, and whilst the patrols are continuous, someone can slip through occasionally. But the good thing at LHR was he was caught pretty quickly. I think if BAA were to put in more armed patrols, towers etc, who would pay for it? We'd soon be complaining if process went up further, ad Ferovial (BAAs owner) sure aint going to absorb the cost.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: AF1624
Posted 2008-03-14 06:14:54 and read 4554 times.



Quoting Gc2 (Reply 82):
Well after 700 years of all of our resources being stolen and shipped south and half the population kicked off their land for the English aristocracy I think you need to be grateful we don't send the proper bill! You got off light Wink

From an exterior point of view - and with a bit of knowledge of your history - I do agree with with you.

Quoting Gc2 (Reply 82):
Anywhoo, back on topic! There's not much that can be done with the perimeter fence. For example even at a small airport like Stansted there are over 11 miles to patrol, and whilst the patrols are continuous, someone can slip through occasionally. But the good thing at LHR was he was caught pretty quickly. I think if BAA were to put in more armed patrols, towers etc, who would pay for it? We'd soon be complaining if process went up further, ad Ferovial (BAAs owner) sure aint going to absorb the cost.

But there's one thing I just don't understand. Perimeter fences have always been there on airports since aviation exists right, or pretty much so, so why are we facing intrusion problems now ? Did it take 60 years for people to start amusing themselves by jumping the fence ? Or are the news relaying it a lot more lately, and especially since 9/11 ?

It's like a man running naked on a Formula one track. It's stupid and dangerous but not necessarily terrorism-related. So why does it make it to the news ?

And why the "arab/asian look" specified on the article ? Does it really make a difference if the guy is black white or blue ? It's still the same crime isn't it ? Why would they specify that ?

It means scaring people just for the sake of scaring them. It's useless ! That kind of things happens on a daily basis - not only in airports - everywhere. It's always been this way. So why make it a big deal nowadays ?

Just my two cents though...

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Moo
Posted 2008-03-14 06:28:33 and read 4494 times.



Quoting Gc2 (Reply 82):
Well after 700 years of all of our resources being stolen and shipped south and half the population kicked off their land for the English aristocracy I think you need to be grateful we don't send the proper bill! You got off light

You had your chance when a Scottish king took the throne of England (James VI in 1603, for the uninformed) and promptly .... did sod all about your situation  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gc2
Posted 2008-03-14 11:13:10 and read 3965 times.



Quoting Moo (Reply 84):
You had your chance when a Scottish king took the throne of England (James VI in 1603, for the uninformed) and promptly .... did sod all about your situation  

LOL, except we ran the British Army, invented most of the stuff used in the 20th Century, gave you ships, engineers, coal and proved that we were above all that revenge stuff.  Wink

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: LHRBlueSkies
Posted 2008-03-14 11:21:23 and read 3951 times.



Quoting Gc2 (Reply 85):
coal

You gave us coal?!?! Interesting take on how the planet works...

Security can never be 100%. I for one wouldn't want any more measures in place, because all they will do is make the terrorists more inventive, and perhaps more reckless. All these stupid fingerprinting, biometric and 50+ questions being proposed, a waste of time - get the politicians talking to the disenfranchised and concentrate on cracking the cells... and let people try and enjoy flying once more.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: JoshSixtySeven
Posted 2008-03-14 11:28:12 and read 3949 times.



Quoting Gc2 (Reply 82):
Well after 700 years of all of our resources being stolen and shipped south

"Stolen" is a bit of a harsh term seens as you've had such a lot in return, especially seens as your "tourist" industry went, well, South. Literally.

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 86):
get the politicians talking to the disenfranchised and concentrate on cracking the cells... and let people try and enjoy flying once more.

Bingo. Spot on.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2008-03-14 11:59:04 and read 3909 times.

According to BBC, his name is Ketheeswaren Uthayakumar 27 No Fixed Abode.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Gc2
Posted 2008-03-14 12:29:51 and read 3883 times.



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 86):
You gave us coal?!?! Interesting take on how the planet works...

Did you not realise that people had to bring it out of the ground?....interesting take on how industry works Big grin Maybe I should have said, "We gave you our coal" it fueled the empire. Glasgow was called the 2nd city of the empire, for a population smaller than London we contributed more then anyone else.

And stolen is correct, read a history book. But in all fairness we did get cricket, rugby and chips Big grin

Sorry, I've hijacked the thread I'll butt out now and get back on topic. I'm actually proud to be British as well as Scottish and have an English wife and live in England. So, I'll save my rantings for the non av forum.

On the LHR security breach it'll be interesting to see what the reaction is by BAA on a staffing level, I'l see if there is suddenly more overtime when I get back to work tomorrow night.

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Argonaut
Posted 2008-03-15 05:04:34 and read 3739 times.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
Man And Tree Cross Runway.

"Heavy Plant Crossing"

 cheeky 
(my favourite British road sign, often seen at road works)

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Access-Air
Posted 2008-03-15 18:45:51 and read 3640 times.

Simple question....what the hell is a Rucksack???????


Access-Air

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: Climb1
Posted 2008-03-17 15:07:11 and read 3512 times.



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 91):

Rucksack or Backpack in US terms.  Smile

Topic: RE: Man W/Rucksack On Runway At LHR -27R Runway Closed
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2008-03-18 03:01:35 and read 3426 times.

With So many weirdos around.....Security needs to be on high alert.Raise those fences.
regds
MEL


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