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Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: AS739X
Posted 2008-04-14 19:06:30 and read 11668 times.

So I was think, after this merger, San Francisco will have a fantastic gate situation. Both airlines operate from the C concourse in terminal 1. Only 1 gate is leased by Frontier, all other are DL and NW.

How do you see it playing out at your airport?

ASSFO

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: IliriBDL
Posted 2008-04-14 19:10:39 and read 11653 times.

I hope it means more Euro flights from BDL. (other than the AMS one)

I actually wouldn't mind if they switched that to FRA, and and London as well.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: FlyingDoctorWu
Posted 2008-04-14 19:11:09 and read 11655 times.

SEA.
NW at South Satellite, Delta at the A gates
Delta plans on closing there CRC there
NW is expanding the hours of the WC there

I see consolidated flying in the South Sattelite
Has to be there because of the customs facilities for NWs AMS, LHR, and NRT flights

Hopefully, god willing, a renovation-> maybe even an expansion...

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2008-04-14 19:14:29 and read 11609 times.

GSO:
NW operates out of Gates 20 and 22. DL operates out of 29, 31, 32 and 34. Gates 21, 23, 25, 27 (ex-SkyBus) and 28 (vacant) are all open. Pretty easy to consolidate.

MHT:
DL operates out of Gate 7. NW operates out of Gates 3 and 4. NW doesn't really need 2 gates as it is, so DL will most likely just move into Gates 3 and 4, with Gate 7 becoming vacant.

BOS:
Plenty of room on the satellite right now for a lot of NW flights. No gate can hold the A330 though to my knowledge without blocking another gate, which could become an issue (unless they change the A330 to a 767 which is a possibility).

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Delta767300ER
Posted 2008-04-14 19:16:46 and read 11580 times.

MCO:

Delta uses Airside 4 which was built in the early 80's and is very nice. Northwest uses Airside 3 which is crap and needs to be rebuilt. It should be very interesting. Delta is not nearly as big at MCO as the were several years ago.

-Delta767300ER

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: COERJ145
Posted 2008-04-14 19:17:27 and read 11579 times.

BOS:
Not sure if there is enough room for both NW/Delta at A with CO moved there. NW Airlink(CRJ/E175) could probably use A1-A3 or A9-A12(the ramp gates). NW mainline could probably use the satillite gates. Not sure if the A330s would fit in A though.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: BOStonsox
Posted 2008-04-14 19:17:58 and read 11578 times.

BOS is going to be interesting. DL built the brand new terminal A and they share it with CO. NW is in terminal E (the international terminal) but were moving to Terminal C. I'm thinking that CO will be moved to Terminal C where NW was supposed to go and NW will move to Terminal A. Since UA is in Terminal C already, it will make things easier if both CO and UA merge. So Terminal A will be dominated by a combined DL/NW and Terminal C will have a combined CO/UA. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2008-04-14 19:19:06 and read 11562 times.

RDU: No Changes. DL moving to Terminal 2 in July/August.. but NW can move too.. gates are CUTE

ORF: DL and NW in same terminal. DL in B21, 23, B24 while NW in B27, B30.. They are close enough to maintain all 5 gates...Probably maintain all 5 gates..

EWN: DL only airline so no change

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: STT757
Posted 2008-04-14 19:19:11 and read 11563 times.



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 4):
Delta uses Airside 4 which was built in the early 80's and is very nice.

It was built in the early 1990s.


As for my airport,

EWR:

Both DL and NWA occupy the B-1 concourse at Terminal B, both of their clubrooms are directly across from one another so they will close one.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: G4LASRamper
Posted 2008-04-14 19:22:43 and read 11505 times.

At LAS both are in the D Gates, with DL on the south side of the southwest arm and NW on the south side of the southeast arm - with G4 sandwiched in the middle. The new short northwest arm is well on its way to completion, and will add another nine gates to the D Terminal. Maybe some shifting around will happen at that point.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: COERJ145
Posted 2008-04-14 19:25:53 and read 11485 times.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
BOS is going to be interesting. DL built the brand new terminal A and they share it with CO. NW is in terminal E (the international terminal) but were moving to Terminal C. I'm thinking that CO will be moved to Terminal C where NW was supposed to go and NW will move to Terminal A. Since UA is in Terminal C already, it will make things easier if both CO and UA merge. So Terminal A will be dominated by a combined DL/NW and Terminal C will have a combined CO/UA. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Didn't massport just give CO a huge incentive to move to A? Why would CO want to move to the old AirTran gate areas(crap)? I think CO will end up staying in A and NW/DL will have all their ops(3-4 daily) from A except for international departures/arrivals which would be from E(connected to A). NW could probably fit their ops in(only 18 domestic flights a day, 12 mainline, 6 airlink(CRJ/E175). The CRJs could park at A1/A2 where big sky was while the E175s could use mainline gates(probably 3 gates needed at most).

[Edited 2008-04-14 19:27:20]

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: MKE22
Posted 2008-04-14 19:29:31 and read 11440 times.

MKE: I think they could just both move into current NW gates. 6 is enough.

MSN: Pretty sure it will stay the same, or will use less gates.

LSE: Only NW, same

EAU: Only NW, same

ATW: Not many gates there, so same or less I assume

Rhinelander: Only NW, same

Wausau: Only NW, same

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: BOStonsox
Posted 2008-04-14 19:29:40 and read 11439 times.

I guess we might see some cuts to make room. But even with the incentives, if CO merges with UA I think it will be back to Terminal C, even if it means the part that was Terminal D. Massport has a lot to deal with in the future.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2008-04-14 19:29:41 and read 11441 times.

My home airport (as is obvious by my name) is LAX:

NW is in T2 and DL is in T5.

DL has a tiny focus city and NW has a small operation here. I could see them consolidating into T5. Either way neither has a huge following in the Los Angeles area and it will probably go un noticed.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: NWADC9
Posted 2008-04-14 19:29:49 and read 11445 times.

Here at PIT...

NW D81, D83, D85
DL D76, D78, D80

NWADC9's predictions...
Vacancy at D81, D83, and D85. CO's across the hallway from the DL gates, so it'd be good me thinks. 'Course, you got that moving walkway in the way, but still  Wink

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: FlyingDoctorWu
Posted 2008-04-14 19:30:31 and read 11424 times.

ORD
NW at terminal 2
DL at terminal 3

Joint NW/CO club in terminal 2...
wanna bet that NW jumps ship to terminal 3...

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: MKENut
Posted 2008-04-14 19:31:23 and read 11425 times.

At MKE, I assume Delta will move from C20 and C21 to Northwest's gates E64 - E69.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Treebeard787
Posted 2008-04-14 19:32:23 and read 11398 times.

At PHX both NW and DL are in the same T3 concourse. So it's pretty simple here. The whole north concourse of T3 will be DL it seems.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Jibny
Posted 2008-04-14 19:32:38 and read 11398 times.

DL and NW share a terminal at LGA. No other airline is in that terminal.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: FlyingDoctorWu
Posted 2008-04-14 19:33:09 and read 11398 times.



Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 17):
At PHX both NW and DL are in the same T3 concourse. So it's pretty simple here. The whole north concourse of T3 will be DL it seems.

it would be great if they kept the PHX CRC open....

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2008-04-14 19:36:22 and read 11349 times.

While I'm at it, I'll look at LAS, since I fly out there once a month and might be moving there shortly.

LAS is a CUTE airport, so it's pretty easy to move airlines around. NW currently has 13 daily flights (6 MSP, 4 DTW, 1 MEM, 1 LAX, 1 IND).

Virgin America currently uses D32 and Allegiant frequently uses D30, and both these airlines can easily move over into NW's current gates while DL/NW shifts into D30/D32, which would give DL the entire left side of that pier on the D Concourse, while UA has the entire right side. VX could move into either the new Northwest (directional) pier which opens real soon (opens this summer I think, if not sooner). Allegiant has a lot of flights out of the Southeast pier, so they could share that with AA quite easily.

MCO:
NW has around 20 daily flights, with DL having around 35 daily mainline flights (not going to bother with Connection, as those planes can easily use the Gate 60 facility which has 13 parking spots). DL has 8 mainline gates (though Gate 70 is currently parking 2 RJs), so even with 50-55 daily mainline flights, 7 gates is more than adequate and then having 15 RJ parking spots.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: San747
Posted 2008-04-14 19:39:05 and read 11335 times.

For SAN-

NW currently uses T2 East, usually gates 23 or 25, while DL uses gates 38-41 in T2 West. Given the limited gate space at SAN, I imagine NW will stay at its current location, since T2 West would have almost no room. It's all the same terminal, so it shouldn't shake things up too much.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Ramprat74
Posted 2008-04-14 19:39:55 and read 11335 times.

At PDX.

NW uses gates D6, D8, D11, D15

DL uses gates D5, D7, D9

NW has their World club at D7. They took over one of the old Crown rooms on the mezzanine level.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2008-04-14 19:45:02 and read 11270 times.

Let's look at BOS a little more carefully:

The satellite has 10 gates. Delta has about 35 daily mainline flights currently (to ATL, CVG, SLC, JFK, LAX, MCO, FLL, TPA, PBI, RSW, BDA). NW has a total of 20 daily flights at BOS (mainline to MSP, DTW, AMS; Airlink to MEM, IND).

Let's make the fair assumption that DL keeps 3 satellite gates for RJs (incl. CRJ-900s and E-jet series). That still leaves 7 gates for what will be about 45-50 daily mainline flights (keep in mind that DL is already reducing some flights out of BOS to LAX and Florida). That's not too bad, especially when DL could also park some CRJs at Gate A1 (used to run Beechs out of here). Shuttle would stay at A2-A3, and I believe DL still has 5 or 6 of the RJ slots at the A9-A12 complex.

Will Terminal A be a bit more crowded? Yup. Do I see CO needing to move out? Not at all - the terminal will be near capacity, but won't need to kick anyone out.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: TOLtommy
Posted 2008-04-14 19:45:20 and read 11269 times.

TOL:

DL ground handled by Comair, NW ground handled by Mesaba. Likely combined into 1 or the other. One more vacant ticket counter here.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: NWALAS
Posted 2008-04-14 19:45:37 and read 11272 times.

LAS..... With the expansion of the D concourse and G4 getting that new fleet of AIRBUS 380's, I can see Delta and NWA moving over to the FEDEX side and hard standing all of those aircraft over there.  duck 

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: AlitaliaMD11
Posted 2008-04-14 19:47:06 and read 11820 times.

My local airport is SWF and both carriers serve the airport with CRJ service to DTW and ATL. I don't think much will change here.

As for my local international airport which is JFK, I'd hope the A330 would be integrated into the international network. If the A330-300 or -200 were to be put on JFK-MAD I'd definitely be flying Delta.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: SQ452
Posted 2008-04-14 19:49:10 and read 11814 times.



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 5):
BOS:
Not sure if there is enough room for both NW/Delta at A with CO moved there. NW Airlink(CRJ/E175) could probably use A1-A3 or A9-A12(the ramp gates). NW mainline could probably use the satillite gates. Not sure if the A330s would fit in A though.

I think the A330 can fit in the far gate in the sat terminal near the FedEx area. If I remember correctly, that gate is angled slightly so an A330 could fit. Only Int'l departures from A, Arrivals will have to be in E, unless they kept all international arrivals and departures in E. A doesn't have customs facility.

CVG: No change, NW is in A anyway and they don't have many flights to begin with.

DAY: No problem, DL and NW use gates right across from one another.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Kanebear
Posted 2008-04-14 19:49:52 and read 11826 times.

At CRP.... oh yeah, DL pulled out. Nevermind. Big grin

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Sdexplorer00
Posted 2008-04-14 19:50:03 and read 11773 times.



Quoting San747 (Reply 21):
For SAN-

NW currently uses T2 East, usually gates 23 or 25, while DL uses gates 38-41 in T2 West. Given the limited gate space at SAN, I imagine NW will stay at its current location, since T2 West would have almost no room. It's all the same terminal, so it shouldn't shake things up too much.

SAN will be consolidated at the existing Delta ticket counter with no additional space needed after a redesign of the space already planned. If space is needed the expansion would be in the jetBlue counter area.

NWA will most like moved gates as well with Delta/NWA gaining full control of gate 38 now shared with jetBlue. jetBlue will probably move gate space and maybe counter to former Aloha gates and counter.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: MKE22
Posted 2008-04-14 19:50:42 and read 11833 times.



Quoting NWALAS (Reply 25):
and G4 getting that new fleet of AIRBUS 380's

Umm, what!?!? G4 getting A380s? I don't think so.  alert   Yeah sure

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2008-04-14 19:52:07 and read 11781 times.

DCA willl be VERY interesting.

There is no real way for them to both consolidate into DL's gates, and there's no way they'd move into A.

NW has maassssive slots at DCA, many already leased to DL yes, but many remaining.


NS

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: IliriBDL
Posted 2008-04-14 19:52:38 and read 11760 times.

Back to BOS again, according to Boston Globe the new Delta would claim about 21.7 percent of Logan's passenger traffic, making it the airport's largest airline. (this according to MassPort)

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Bwohlgemuth
Posted 2008-04-14 19:55:24 and read 11715 times.

FWA is going to lose a couple of destinations. NW currently serves DTW and MSP starting next month. DL serves CVG and ATL.

My personal guess is the loser is CVG. The DTW flights were almost always full. The ATL & MSP are gateway cities for international travel.

Topic: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Soxfan
Posted 2008-04-14 19:56:53 and read 11701 times.



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):
The satellite has 10 gates. Delta has about 35 daily mainline flights currently



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):
JFK

Just a small note that although Delta's website shows one MD88 flight to JFK (the rest regional), they primarily fly their mainline aircraft from BOS to LGA with the Shuttle.

Do you think the merger will have any impact on the Delta Shuttle?

Topic: RE: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airpor
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2008-04-14 20:02:09 and read 11624 times.

STL:

Both airlines are on A Concourse, with DL on the north (outside) and NW on the south (inside). Gates are essentially opposite each other. Don't really see much need to change the arrangement.

Topic: RE: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airpor
Username: SQ452
Posted 2008-04-14 20:02:56 and read 11664 times.



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 34):
Just a small note that although Delta's website shows one MD88 flight to JFK (the rest regional), they primarily fly their mainline aircraft from BOS to LGA with the Shuttle.

Do you think the merger will have any impact on the Delta Shuttle?

maybe, perhaps they'll stick a few DC-9's on the route instead  wink 

Topic: RE: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airpor
Username: Aloha73G
Posted 2008-04-14 20:08:11 and read 11574 times.

HNL:

NW Check-In Area is in Lobby 7 (with AA, and CO)
DL Check-In Area is in Lobby 4 (with QF, PR and many small airlines)

Winner: NW; Lobby 7 is closer to the NW World Club and the Gates.

NOTES:
1. All Gates at HNL are Common Use, however airlines generally use the same gates.
2. NW World Cub is across from gates 12/13; DL Crown Room (under gate 23) is closing

NW uses Gates 10-13 (Diamond Head Concourse & Main Terminal Between DH and Central Concourse)
DL uses Gates 20-23 (Ewa Side of Central Concourse)

Winner: I think DL will "swap" gates with CO, who uses Gates 13-16 on the Diamond Head side of the Central Concourse so the combined carrier will be in Gates 10-16. From a passengers' perspective DL's gates are "identical" to CO's but for ground operations, consolidating in the same "Alleyway" (between DH and Central Concourses) will increase efficiency.

HOWEVER, IF CO and UA merge, I think DL/NW will take up the entire Central Concourse (plus gates 12 & 13 for International) while CO moves over to the DH concourse which is UA's.

-Aloha!

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2008-04-14 20:08:20 and read 11578 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):
LAX:

NW is in T2 and DL is in T5.

One big fly in the ointment is that NWA has an ownership stake in LAX Two Corp, something that makes it quite a bit of revenue to the point that while priced at near $100mil it was not sold off during the carriers Ch11 process for some ways cash. Additionally T-2 is home to and where NW handles Air France and KLM.

While LAWA would love to see DL finally vacate of T-5, I actually dont see them combining much at LAX for a while as neither T-2 nor T-5 could handle the combined operations (T-5 has lack of 777/747 gates) the way things are currently scheduled.

Topic: RE: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: MtnWest1979
Posted 2008-04-14 20:10:10 and read 11526 times.

At BOI: DL uses B22, DL Conn uses B20 and B22. NW uses B16. Assuming either don't reduce or eliminate service, this should stay about the same. I hope it works out well for both carriers and employees. Don't see how this will benefit the pax of the country or the airlines involved, but time will tell.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Joeljack
Posted 2008-04-14 20:14:33 and read 11477 times.

OMA: Both Airlines are in the south terminal

Northwest is at gates A1,A2, and A3
-14 daily flights with 5-6 mainline per day of DC9/A319 and A320's.
Delta is next door at gates A4 and A5. 11-12 daily express flights per day.

I would assume they could remove 1 gate and operate out of 4 total gates: A1-A4 with 26 daily flights.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: RwSEA
Posted 2008-04-14 20:14:46 and read 11479 times.



Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 2):
SEA.
NW at South Satellite, Delta at the A gates
Delta plans on closing there CRC there
NW is expanding the hours of the WC there

I see consolidated flying in the South Sattelite
Has to be there because of the customs facilities for NWs AMS, LHR, and NRT flights

Hopefully, god willing, a renovation-> maybe even an expansion...

I agree, consolidation on the S-Satellite makes sense. They'd also be closer to SkyTeam partners AF, AM, KE, and CI.

That said, I hope we keep all our longhaul routes. I could see the new carrier cutting some of them, or I could see the new carrier adding some Asia flying with 763s. I hope we can still get some more Asia flights once the 787s arrive. I guess it will be interesting to watch.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Misbeehavin
Posted 2008-04-14 20:20:14 and read 11437 times.

My home airport is ATL, so let's see... I doubt hardly anyone will notice NW's "disappearance" from ATL!

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2008-04-14 20:22:32 and read 11403 times.

CMH:
DL uses gates C53-56.
NW uses gates B35-36.

B35-36 are at the complete opposite end of the airport from C53-56 & there's no connection between the two past security.

Guessing, I'd say DL adds C52, C51 & maybe even C50. C50 was recently vacated by B6, C51 was used from time to time by B6 as well. C52 oddly has never been used (even pre-expansion) & is currently the seating area for the Johnny Rockets restaurant.

Coincidentally, if they took all three gates, DL will have operated out of all of C at one point or another.

Now if B6 comes back (as has been rumored after SX shut down, B6 signs & kiosks still in place) & moves back to C50, then that's another story. AA could theoretically use B35 & B36, as they have a whole string of gates in that area.

[Edited 2008-04-14 20:30:53]

Topic: RE: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: KstateinALB
Posted 2008-04-14 20:22:58 and read 11382 times.

No problem for ALB, NW would move over to Concourse B, leaving an empty gate in Concourse A, which could pave the way for a new carrier, such as FL, B6, or F9.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2008-04-14 20:39:47 and read 11285 times.



Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 15):
ORD
NW at terminal 2
DL at terminal 3

Joint NW/CO club in terminal 2...
wanna bet that NW jumps ship to terminal 3...

NW will almost certainly go to T3, and if CO/UA happens, it gives UA 3 more gates in E. B6 shares a gate with CO, so they'd prob take over one of NWs. Might we see VX enter ORD if NW vacates their gates in E?

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Anonms
Posted 2008-04-14 20:43:13 and read 11258 times.

My home airports:
SFO: like someone mentioned, DL and NW would be sharing Boarding Area C with Frontier and Hawaiian, so no change
TPE: NW operates out of T2 and DL piggybacks on CI flights from the US that operate out of T2, so no change there either.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Wedgetail737
Posted 2008-04-14 20:47:56 and read 11224 times.



Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 2):
SEA.
NW at South Satellite, Delta at the A gates
Delta plans on closing there CRC there
NW is expanding the hours of the WC there

I see consolidated flying in the South Sattelite
Has to be there because of the customs facilities for NWs AMS, LHR, and NRT flights

Hopefully, god willing, a renovation-> maybe even an expansion...

I was hoping there would be split operation, sending all or a bulk of the NW domestic flights through A and leave all the international flights at S. Therefore, DL/NW wouldn't be hogging up all the international space.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: RedTailDTW
Posted 2008-04-14 20:52:01 and read 11193 times.

TUS:

DL stays at gates B2 & B3
NW moves from B11 to gates B2 & B3 since they only have one daily flight
Also, since DL shares gate B3 with Alaska, they could just swap gate B3 for gate B1 since JetBlue will be gone


PHX:

As mentioned, they are both in the same concourse
FL or F9 may be moved to make all the gates right next to each other
DL/NW might abandon a couple gates since they don't need neccesarily need all 8 of them




Mason (RedTailDTW)

[Edited 2008-04-14 20:56:48]

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Nwaramper
Posted 2008-04-14 21:00:03 and read 11146 times.

What do you guys think will happen to TPA Tampa? Northwest is in Airside A and Delta is in Airside E.

[Edited 2008-04-14 21:18:59]

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Jetlanta
Posted 2008-04-14 21:02:30 and read 11127 times.



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 42):
My home airport is ATL, so let's see... I doubt hardly anyone will notice NW's "disappearance" from ATL!

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the minor concessions the DOT/DOJ requires is the return of some of NW's gate holdings to the city.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: RedTailDTW
Posted 2008-04-14 21:03:40 and read 11017 times.



Quoting Nwaramper (Reply 49):
What do you guys think will happen to TPA Tampa? Northwest is in Airside A and Airside D.

I think you mean Airside E...


I think NW will move over to Airside E to be with Delta since it is much nicer and less cramped. I am not sure as I am not familiar with TPA.



Mason

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Chugach
Posted 2008-04-14 21:06:08 and read 11001 times.

ANC:

Currently NW is crammed into Concourse C with AS during the B concourse renovations. DL has been banished to the North Terminal along with CO and US.

I imagine NW/DL will move back into Concourse B once it is finished. Assuming they keep the current schedule, the combined airline will probably need two year round gates, and access to a third to accommodate seasonal increases.

Provided UA/CO happens, CO would probably move from the North Terminal over to Concourse A, back where they used to be and where UA is now.

In FAI, NW and DL are already sharing gate 7 despite overlapping schedules so I doubt much will change in the short term, although the terminal expansion at FAI might allow for some more space.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Commavia
Posted 2008-04-14 21:07:25 and read 11003 times.

At my two home airports ...

DFW: Both are in Terminal E, NW at E4-E6 and Delta at E12-E15; neither space could fit all the flights of both airlines, so I suspect they'll have to shuffle around some of the airlines in the gates in between them (Continental in E7-E9, Alaska at E11)

AUS: Similar to DFW, NW is in Gate 3, and Delta nearby in Gates 5 and 6; in between at Gate 4 is ExpressJet, which could easily just swap gates with NW so the combine company could have gates 4, 5 and 6

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: SHUPirate1
Posted 2008-04-14 21:10:20 and read 10973 times.

FLL: Dear god, what a mess...I don't even want to be the person in charge of reshuffling the deck chairs...

PBI: this one is more straightforward...move Northwest over into C5 or C6, and move either WS (C5) or FL (C6) into B14 in their place.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2008-04-14 21:10:59 and read 10953 times.

BNA: On B DL and NW are directly across from each other... no issues... on A CO and UA have adjacent gates, though the gate areas are separated by a newstand and the bend in the concourse.

Simple, really.

CLE... I believe NW is on C, DL is on B, If I'm remembering correctly. CO is obviously all on C and D, and that would put UA on A? could be some shuffling around.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2008-04-14 21:13:35 and read 10933 times.



Quoting Nwaramper (Reply 49):
What do you guys think will happen to TPA Tampa? Northwest is in Airside A and Airside D.



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 51):
think you mean Airside E...


I think NW will move over to Airside E to be with Delta since it is much nicer and less cramped. I am not sure as I am not familiar with TPA.



Mason

Just to clarify, NW is in Airside A with 3 gates, and DL is in Airside E with 8 gates (7 jetways, 1 commuter). Given the recent flight cutbacks with DL's schedule, plus gates 71 and 72 are not used to their full potential, I think NW can be easily reaccomodated in Airside E. If that does not work, give UA and AC the boot from Airside E and have UA and AC use the gates in Airside A.

Anyone want to try PHL?

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: COFreqFlyer
Posted 2008-04-14 21:13:53 and read 10935 times.

This is easy.

MAF.

AA remains on Gate 1
CO remains on Gate 2
WN remains on Gates 3-5.

Who is DL? Who is NW? Who cares?

:D

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect You
Username: FrontierATL
Posted 2008-04-14 21:22:11 and read 10865 times.

Well, here at CSG, I just hope we get a new destination.
I don't really care where.
MSP would be cool. Maybe with a Saab 340?
All there is now is a few flights to ATL, a 30 minute plane ride, and a $300 ticket.


But most people just drive to ATL, a two hour drive, saving around $250. I'm actually surprised CSG service hasn't been scrapped, but it was ASA's first route, so I'm not sure if they ever would drop it.

But, hopefully we get something.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Yflyer
Posted 2008-04-14 21:22:50 and read 10868 times.

At SMF, NW has one gate in Terminal B. DL has a couple of gates in Terminal A. Of course we're getting a brand new terminal in a few years, but I would expect they'd use Delta's gates in Terminal A in the meantime.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: N839MH
Posted 2008-04-14 21:23:35 and read 10878 times.

DFW: Delta uses gates E12, 13, 14 & 15. NWA uses gates E4, 5 & 6.

The combined operations could look like this...Gates 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, & 16.
Crown Room located next to gate E11.

Airtran could then move down to Gates E18, 19 & 20.
By moving Airtran to gates 18-21, this would give back Delta, widebody gates 16 & 17.

A CO/UA merger could then have UA move from Terminal B to E and use
gates E2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9.

Alaska Air moves to Gate 10 and take over part of the NWA ticket counter
and share the rest with CO/UA.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: PITops
Posted 2008-04-14 21:37:47 and read 10790 times.



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
Here at PIT...

NW D81, D83, D85
DL D76, D78, D80

NWADC9's predictions...
Vacancy at D81, D83, and D85. CO's across the hallway from the DL gates, so it'd be good me thinks. 'Course, you got that moving walkway in the way, but still

Great. More un-unused gates in PIT.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Acey559
Posted 2008-04-14 21:39:23 and read 10777 times.

NW is our biggest carrier in terms of numbers of flights here at MLI (at least I believe they are), so if this pans out the way people think, then I guess DL will be the biggest carrier here, which is great for me since I only fly DL and I work for OH. The only thing is that if we continue to provide the ground handling for DL and NW and UA, that will be a lot of work for only one company, but hopefully everything will work out well for us.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2008-04-14 21:42:58 and read 10738 times.



Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 15):
ORD
NW at terminal 2
DL at terminal 3

Joint NW/CO club in terminal 2...
wanna bet that NW jumps ship to terminal 3...

I think this may depend on whether CO and UA merge. If they do, that will probably open up CO's gates in T2.

Here's the all-important question. DL gave up L1, L2, L4, L6, and L8, and AA got those gates. If AA has leases from the City of Chicago, then DL may not have enough room to take on all of NW's operations.

If DL sublet the gates to AA, then NW moving makes a lot of sense, assuming that DL can get the gates back from AA, as well as carousels 3 and 4 in T3. L is much nicer than E, and L3-10 can handle widebodies

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Commavia
Posted 2008-04-14 21:49:52 and read 10687 times.



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 38):
One big fly in the ointment is that NWA has an ownership stake in LAX Two Corp, something that makes it quite a bit of revenue to the point that while priced at near $100mil it was not sold off during the carriers Ch11 process for some ways cash. Additionally T-2 is home to and where NW handles Air France and KLM.

While LAWA would love to see DL finally vacate of T-5, I actually dont see them combining much at LAX for a while as neither T-2 nor T-5 could handle the combined operations (T-5 has lack of 777/747 gates) the way things are currently scheduled.

Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do at LAX. It's a tough situation, as I agree that the combined company is not going to want to give up a profitable cash-cow like Terminal 2, which has been making Northwest lots of money for decades. While T2 couldn't handle the combined airline's operations in its present form, I think it could if most of the other airlines were moved out and the terminal was left just to the New Delta.

However, on the other hand, if they consolidated all the operations into Terminal 5, and just kept a passive ownership in Terminal 2, I think they'd come under enormous pressure from LAX to choose one or the other. And, on the other hand, as you say, Northwest's 747s would have a hard time at Delta's Terminal 5.

Perhaps this could provide a great impetus for LAX to finally do a master reshuffling of the gates at LAX such that:

T1: remains Southwest and USAirways
T2: becomes the consolidated home to Delta and Northwest, plus some of their international SkyTeam and codeshare partners (Air France/KLM, Aeromexico, Avianca, Air Jamaica, etc.) plus Hawaiian, while the remaining non-SkyTeam international carriers there (Air China, Air NZ, Air Canada, Virgin, Aviacsa, WestJet, TACA, etc.) move to the soon-to-be-expanded Bradley
T3: Alaska/Horizon move out to T5 (see below) and T3 becomes the new home for lots of the smaller, non-aligned airlines not already there
T4: stays home base for American and some QANTAS flying
T5: new home for Alaska/Horizon, American Eagle, plus some non-aligned carriers, and possibly also home for some of the oneworld airlines if they need to make some room in Bradley for all the airlines coming from T2 (BA/QF/CX probably wouldn't want to move given their new lounges, but LAN, JAL and Mexicana might be willing to)
T6: remains a mixed use with Continental and United, plus Copa, JetBlue and Virgin America
T7: remains United
T8: remains United/United Express

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Floridaflyboy
Posted 2008-04-14 21:53:26 and read 10664 times.

BIL: This one might be interesting. They're at opposite ends of the terminal, and BIL is a strange airport where every gate is physically separated from the next one. I guess United could move from A1 to B1 (DL's current gate) giving DL/NW A1 and A3, right around the corner from each other. or Horizon/Frontier/Allegiant could move to B1 and have DL using B4 for the CRJ flights and NW using B3 for the A319/DC-9 flights. However, again, that's problematic as F9 and QX both RON aircraft at BIL, so they currently use both B3 and B4. NW could not, however, use B4, I don't think, and it's the only current gate totally open.

SLC: My guess is NW will just move over and use the existing DL gates. DL probably won't have much use for a single gate on A concourse. This will probably leave NW's gate on A-concourse open to be picked up by JetBlue, who will readily grab it to continue expansion there.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: AirportPlan
Posted 2008-04-14 21:59:18 and read 10648 times.



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 63):
I think this may depend on whether CO and UA merge. If they do, that will probably open up CO's gates in T2.

Here's the all-important question. DL gave up L1, L2, L4, L6, and L8, and AA got those gates. If AA has leases from the City of Chicago, then DL may not have enough room to take on all of NW's operations.

If DL sublet the gates to AA, then NW moving makes a lot of sense, assuming that DL can get the gates back from AA, as well as carousels 3 and 4 in T3. L is much nicer than E, and L3-10 can handle widebodies

L Concourse at ORD would be perfect for DL/NW but Delta subleased gates L1, L2, L4, L6, and L8 to AA. If I remember correctly the sublease is valid through 2014. Don't expect AA to give up these gates before the lease expires because they absolutely need some of these gates for their 777 operations.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2008-04-14 22:05:05 and read 10613 times.



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
NWADC9's predictions...
Vacancy at D81, D83, and D85. CO's across the hallway from the DL gates, so it'd be good me thinks. 'Course, you got that moving walkway in the way, but still

I guess if MEM and CVG go away as hubs, then I could see DL/NW just condense into the existing DL gates. I wonder if the airline would increase its traffic through DTW, MSP, ATL, and JFK, as in more gate utilization...

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2008-04-14 22:06:11 and read 10590 times.



Quoting Commavia (Reply 64):
just kept a passive ownership in Terminal 2,

No can do. One of the stipulations is that they must operate/be major tenant at the terminal to maintain their ownership stake.
Air Canada went down this road exploring a couple years back when they moved in with United in dozens of US cities, but concluded they would loose their stake of they colocated at LAX.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 64):
I think it could if most of the other airlines were moved out

Well many could move especially if you pay them, however you still have Air Canada and Hawaiian left being the other co-owners of LAX Two Corp. I can't see NWA/DAL coughing up a $100m+ to buy them out.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 64):
Northwest's 747s would have a hard time at Delta's Terminal 5.

Or KLM/AF 747s, or 777s for that matter. T-5 would require significant redesign to hold multiple large widebodies, just the opposite of the path DL has adopted in recent years. Also T-5 FIS is nothing to write home about and could be nasty with simultaneous arrivals due to its small size.
Also what to do with DL partner AeroMexico a big user of T-5, with as many as 4 planes on the ground?

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Jetpixx
Posted 2008-04-14 22:13:12 and read 10586 times.

Unfortunately...at CLE, I can see NW moving to Concourse B - and UA moving to Concourse C when they take over CO Sad

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: ADent
Posted 2008-04-14 22:14:16 and read 10503 times.

DEN: NW has 34,36,38. DL has 40,42,44.

No need to do anything now gate wise. I suppose it would be nicer if the gates were opposite each other, instead of in a line. But they are adjacent. So until F9 goes under or C concourse is expanded, I would guess no change.

Ticket counter wise they are on opposite sides (NW on West side, DL on East Side)

(Data from flydenver.com, I don't get out to the C concourse much).

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect You
Username: Nwaesc
Posted 2008-04-14 22:20:47 and read 10411 times.



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 11):
MSN: Pretty sure it will stay the same, or will use less gates.

Comair uses gates 1 & 3, with NW using 2, 8,9, & 10 (and RON's one at 4).

Ideally, it'd be nice to move back to the north end, using 1,2,3,4, & 5 (gate 4 is used by COEX in the afternoon, and 5 is currently used by Midwest Connect).

A more realistic scenario is that we'd get gate 7 from UAX, and everyone would "move down" one gate.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Kearnet
Posted 2008-04-14 22:29:27 and read 10322 times.

MHT The Good: We'll finally get more DL flights that we've been wanting to get back

MHT The Bad: Loosing the Diesel Nines before I have a chance to fly one one more time.


Watching the DC-9 taking off from MHT's museum/spotting area is a sight (and sound) I will truly miss.

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: GRRTVC
Posted 2008-04-14 22:31:34 and read 10307 times.

ANC: Pretty much agree with Chugach. NW/DL will move back to B once its complete in fall '09. Each have 2 gates today that are not well utilized in the in winter. But like Chugach mentioned they're needed for the summer season; each airline having 5 to 6 flights depending on what day of the week. I could easily see them dropping one gate and only taking three gates year-round to protect themselves for the summer season. We will not see DL moving to the C-Concourse anytime soon as the gates can not handle a 767, which DL flys to ANC.

As for FAI: The summer essentially sees two NW 757's and 1 DL737 a day. I certainly think there may be an opportunity for a year-round flight especially to MSP.

GRRTVC

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: TSS
Posted 2008-04-14 22:59:35 and read 10120 times.

BHM- DL has four gates on the larger Concourse C (C2, C4, C6, and C8) and NW has two gates on the smaller Concourse B (B3 and B5). As United Express has two gates across from DL (C1 and C3), I suppose they could swap gates with NW which would put them in the same concourse as CO's one gate (B2).

Topic: RE: Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..
Username: Moderators
Posted 2008-04-14 23:02:20 and read 10151 times.

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