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Topic: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Jetjeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 11:41:14 and read 17121 times.

I had emailed a gentleman a while back with world airways and he was able to get the video of the 727, shot up and tail down still able to lift off with people hanging on. The plane was way over loaded..and hit by a hand grenade absouloutley
amazeing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoA02PmueH4

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: CPH-R
Posted 2008-04-20 11:52:35 and read 17052 times.

Absolute madness  Wow!

Gives you an idea of the terror the ARVN soldiers feared from the NVA. A shame they were willing to sacrifice women and children to get out  Sad

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2008-04-20 12:09:39 and read 16995 times.

Absolutley fascinating. Just goes to show you how tough a 727 is!

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 12:14:43 and read 16979 times.

I wonder if this aircraft ever returned to service. I recall Amerijet had a 2nd hand 727 that had been shot up in vietnam and had skin rash pretty bad. 268 people, anyone know the normal capacity on a 727-100

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2008-04-20 12:34:29 and read 16916 times.

Here is a great website about our return to Vietnam a couple years back, as well as Operation Babylift. http://www.vietnambabylift.org/World_Airways.html

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: PITrules
Posted 2008-04-20 12:35:12 and read 16904 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3):
268 people, anyone know the normal capacity on a 727-100

268 people, and that's not including the ones in the cargo holds! What a great CEO and crew indeed.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: ZANL188
Posted 2008-04-20 12:36:00 and read 16918 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3):
I wonder if this aircraft ever returned to service.

I don't recall the tail # number so could not confirm this... but I recall it was repaired and returned to service...


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World Airways last 727 flight out of Da Nang - courtesy 727 datacenter

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 12:51:20 and read 16836 times.

is that left wing ripped up or is that some kinda shadow. I see the nose gears not down. I guess if your gonna die on the ground, i guess id chance it hanging on to 727 as well. Can you see some of these Ceos, say from Nwa or Dal or any major doeing this now days. It appeard in the video he slugged one of them

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: L-188
Posted 2008-04-20 12:59:00 and read 16797 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 7):
is that left wing ripped up or is that some kinda shadow. I

That's the damage from the hand grenade.

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3):
I recall Amerijet had a 2nd hand 727 that had been shot up in vietnam and had skin rash pretty bad. 268 people, anyone know the normal capacity on a 727-100

Depending on the configuration of the seats about 125. The QC's that Reeve had where set up for 110 seats.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: TUNisia
Posted 2008-04-20 13:02:59 and read 16769 times.

I'll say it again... the 727 is my favorite aircraft  Smile

Thanks for much for sharing this video!

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: TUNisia
Posted 2008-04-20 13:07:09 and read 16747 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 7):
is that left wing ripped up or is that some kinda shadow. I see the nose gears not down. I guess if your gonna die on the ground, i guess id chance it hanging on to 727 as well. Can you see some of these Ceos, say from Nwa or Dal or any major doeing this now days. It appeard in the video he slugged one of them

I think he did punch one or two (at least that's what it looked like). Kudos to him for having the guts and will to do this.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 13:08:43 and read 16732 times.

I just thought of something, after that 72 high jacking with db cooper if they had the cooper lock installed on it in 75, But then again he wouldnt have been presserized at 6000 ft

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: ZANL188
Posted 2008-04-20 13:09:29 and read 16732 times.



Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 7):
is that left wing ripped up or is that some kinda shadow. I

That's the damage from the hand grenade.

Left wing took a hit, grenade I believe...





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World Airways last 727 from Da Nang - courtesy 727 Datacenter

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: ZANL188
Posted 2008-04-20 13:11:19 and read 16727 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 11):
I just thought of something, after that 72 high jacking with db cooper if they had the cooper lock installed on it in 75, But then again he wouldnt have been presserized at 6000 ft

DB Cooper vane prevents airstair from opening in flight. In the case of the World 727 they took off with it open so the vane was not a factor.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: L-188
Posted 2008-04-20 13:24:54 and read 16652 times.



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 11):
I just thought of something, after that 72 high jacking with db cooper if they had the cooper lock installed on it in 75, But then again he wouldnt have been presserized at 6000 ft

DB Cooper vane prevents airstair from opening in flight. In the case of the World 727 they took off with it open so the vane was not a factor.

As mentioned it isn't a lock or anything, but just a piece of metal that sticks out into the airflow to generate a vortex that spins into the door and keeps it from dropping.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: PlunaCRJ
Posted 2008-04-20 13:26:16 and read 16642 times.

What an amazing aircraft the 727 is.... And what a tragedy at Da Nang.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2008-04-20 13:38:19 and read 16596 times.

The captain of the 727 in the CBS video, sitting in the left seat, is Ken Healy, who was also a captain in operation babylift, and is mentioned in the commemoration article posted later in the thread. There's a picture of him in the left seat of the returning MD11, just a couple of years older than when he made what must be the record for the number of pax successfully lifted in a 727.

The World 727 that flew alongside to assess damage on the return flight had made the run up to Da Nang with the 727 on which the CBS crew and Ed Daly were flying, and had been told by Ed Daly to keep circling until the situation could be assessed on the ground. Needless to say, it didn't land, and instead circled and then flew back alongside the overloaded 727.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 13:48:38 and read 16567 times.

And to think he won the airline in a game of poker...lol he must have had one hell of a good hand

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2008-04-20 13:51:08 and read 16559 times.

The pilots who flew the last flight.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Philb
Posted 2008-04-20 13:59:32 and read 16520 times.

The aircraft was N692WA 19506 which went on to fly for over 3 decades and was last in service as N938UP with UPS.

It was withdrawn sometime in 2007 and though the FAA N number look up no longer lists it the airframe is believed stored.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2008-04-20 15:25:42 and read 16369 times.

I am intrigued by the piece of navigation equipment between the two pilots; I believe that it is known as a set of hirsute-numeral-cubes, and was a device most commonly used in the late 1950s.

Nice touch.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2008-04-20 16:35:16 and read 16251 times.

I get emotional every time is see this. I am feel so honored to work for a company with such a heroic history.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: ScrubbsYWG
Posted 2008-04-20 17:12:00 and read 16178 times.

wow is all i can say. imagine the load and balancing those pilots had to contend with!

great piece of flying i am sure.

i guess it is unfortunate that a flight that was meant for women and children was overrun with the military people that were supposed to save the city.*


*disclaimer: i know very little of this incident and vientam war in general. All i know about this incident is from the story, so forgive me if i'm wrong.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Jetjeanes
Posted 2008-04-20 17:34:02 and read 16127 times.

This world air retiree just emailed me back all the crew and air america chopper pilot are still in the bay area and had a reunion. He has a nice websight he has built. Looks like world got some of Deltas md-11,s http://www.cyberkal.com/
just exit off the password box and you can see the plane.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Ryan h
Posted 2008-04-20 17:58:22 and read 16078 times.

An interesting video of the dying days of the Vietnam War.

The 727 was truly built like a tank.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Mirrodie
Posted 2008-04-20 18:09:42 and read 16052 times.

Excellent video, thanks for sharing!

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Radarbeam
Posted 2008-04-20 18:16:29 and read 16645 times.

Amazing videos, Thanks for sharing JetJeanes

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: MedAv
Posted 2008-04-20 18:22:08 and read 16688 times.



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
Gives you an idea of the terror the ARVN soldiers feared from the NVA. A shame they were willing to sacrifice women and children to get out Sad

Actually, I would think the men had more to fear than the women and children. They'd be tortured/killed by the NVA, unlikely to happen to the women and children.

I honestly don't understand why this age-old tradition of women/children first is still applied in these situations. If it's something like swimming, etc, okay, men are by nature more fit, but against a bullet, we all have the same chance of surviving...

An amazing tale nonetheless.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: F9Animal
Posted 2008-04-20 18:28:36 and read 16668 times.



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 10):
I think he did punch one or two (at least that's what it looked like). Kudos to him for having the guts and will to do this.

Heck yeah he did. And he had one hell of a punch at that. I counted two swings, and one of them connected right to the temple of one of those jerks.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 5):
What a great CEO and crew indeed.

Oh yeah, I have to tip my hat to them and the crew. Amazing video indeed, I had no idea it was on video. I have seen the pictures and heard the stories, but the video put alot of questions to rest. Simply amazing!

On a side note,,, those men were a bunch of cowards to leave the women and children like that. This would have never been accepted in todays society. I would have been on the back of the stairs, swinging away too.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2008-04-20 20:04:20 and read 16558 times.

It is estimated that around 330 people were on that plane when it took off if you include those in the cargo holds, wheel well and stairwell. Truly an unfortunate incident in world history.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Wjcandee
Posted 2008-04-20 20:09:05 and read 16526 times.



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 28):
Heck yeah he did. And he had one hell of a punch at that.

Ed Daly had been a boxer. There's a wonderful Airliners (I think) magazine article about this incident and Daly and the airline in general. They used to have it posted on the web site, but I think it's long gone. The airline truly has a rich and storied history, and being a pilot for them is supposed to be a very unique opportunity, tailored for a very specific type of personality. Whether that gets watered-down or not as it becomes part of a conglomerate remains to be seen. My guess is that it won't be.

As TZTristar points out, the World people looked at the erzatz fleet of non-uniform DC10s being acquired by Global, and said, "Uh, we'll take the 3 identical ones with the lowest time, cycles and age." Duh. That's probably a good sign.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: IAirAllie
Posted 2008-04-20 22:18:56 and read 16051 times.



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 30):
The airline truly has a rich and storied history, and being a pilot for them is supposed to be a very unique opportunity, tailored for a very specific type of personality. Whether that gets watered-down or not as it becomes part of a conglomerate remains to be seen. My guess is that it won't be.

It does indeed take a unique person to fit at World. I feel like it was tailor made for me. I hope we don't loose what makes us different and special. I don't think the current employees will let that happen.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Elite
Posted 2008-04-21 02:44:30 and read 14616 times.

Amazing video, I was in awe the whole time I was watching it.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Gulfstream650
Posted 2008-04-21 06:39:43 and read 12619 times.



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3):
I wonder if this aircraft ever returned to service

Quoting Jetjeanes (Thread starter):

This plane was a Kity Hawk cargo plane. Today she flies racehorses around North America, spending much of her time in Lexington, Kentucky.

Here she is these days:

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Relevant threads:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...archid=3232221&s=da+nang#ID3232221
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...archid=2924755&s=da+nang#ID2924755
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo.../general_aviation/read.main/677896

Photos of the bird: http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...arch=19504/427&distinct_entry=true

[Edited 2008-04-21 06:40:43]

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Spacecadet
Posted 2008-04-21 09:58:14 and read 10251 times.



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 28):
On a side note,,, those men were a bunch of cowards to leave the women and children like that. This would have never been accepted in todays society.

Don't be so sure. Some of it is no doubt cultural. It was probably a mistake for an American CEO of an American airline to assume that the Vietnamese share the same values we do. "Women and children first" as a rule started with the British (not too long ago either) and has always been a western idea. It's not something that's been forever ingrained around the world.

Nowadays yes, a lot of Asian countries have been westernized in many ways, but I'm not so sure that if push comes to shove that traditional values wouldn't take over and it'd be every *man* for himself again.

Anyway, I've seen this video a few times now and I'm always amazed by it. I'm guessing they did not refuel at all in Da Nang, so it was probably lucky that their fuel tanks were at least half empty when they took off.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Philb
Posted 2008-04-21 10:07:10 and read 10156 times.



Quoting Gulfstream650 (Reply 33):
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3):
I wonder if this aircraft ever returned to service

Quoting Jetjeanes (Thread starter):


This plane was a Kity Hawk cargo plane. Today she flies racehorses around North America, spending much of her time in Lexington, Kentucky.

Here she is these days:

That is 19504, the msn of the aircraft at Da Nang was 19506

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Gulfstream650
Posted 2008-04-21 10:46:03 and read 9821 times.



Quoting Philb (Reply 35):
That is 19504, the msn of the aircraft at Da Nang was 19506

In that case I stand corrected.

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19504 must have been the other plane - there were two involved only one landed.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Xtoler
Posted 2008-04-21 10:56:03 and read 9677 times.

I'm glad someone posted the video, and the later web site of the reunion. Amazing stuff, indeed. I was just a little kid when that was going on, but I remember after I joined the Air Force and wound up in MAC, I heard plenty of stories of Operation Baby lift from some of my superiors who did serve in Vietnam. Of course the biggest thing talked about when I was in was the C5 crash. According to my first NCO/IC at my first duty assignment, that's why there is no pax configuration for the cargo deck. Even though I joined right at the start of the first Gulf War (not on purpose, I happened to leave for BASIC the day after Iraq invaded Kuwait, after being in DEP for 6 months until I graduated high school). A lot of the Vietnam vets were on their way to retirement or very close to it, but as we had a stop loss at the time, I heard a lot of war stories and being MAC heard a lot about Operation Babylift. I'll tell you one thing, these guys I worked with were definately not too keen on being involved in another war. Sort of ironic, but I all of them started in the USAF going into war, and ending their careers with another war. That's life in the military sometimes.

People tend to forget about how important air transportation is, especially people not in the biz. I wonder if the History Channel ever did a show on this. I've only flown on World Airways once and that was to my first duty assignment straight into RAF Mildenhall from when MAC had an OA at PHL. Every Wednesday they'd come into RAF Mildenhall as the "cattle car". Not a big fan of having to fly on them, but wow, they do have a helluva history. I do wish them luck in the future.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Philb
Posted 2008-04-21 23:48:23 and read 8245 times.



Quoting Gulfstream650 (Reply 36):
19504 must have been the other plane - there were two involved only one landed.

It was.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Cactus742
Posted 2008-04-22 00:24:27 and read 8228 times.



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 28):
On a side note,,, those men were a bunch of cowards to leave the women and children like that. This would have never been accepted in todays society. I would have been on the back of the stairs, swinging away too.

Judging by the overtly negative, scornful tone of the commentator's voice and words, it didn't seem very well-accepted back then either. That definitely was not a neutral broadcaster, that's for sure.

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-04-22 18:50:41 and read 7758 times.

if they were six to a set of 3 seat, any fed rampers here, whats the max weight on a cookie sheet or container. 3 rows would roughly take up 1 position. about 2000 a position with humans and 500 with seats,, about 2500..??
any freight dawgs here recall its been a while since ive done it

Topic: RE: Amazing 727 Flight Out Of Da Nang What A Ceo
Username: Jamman
Posted 2008-04-24 06:02:55 and read 7499 times.

The 727 built like a brick poop house (thats a compliment of strength were I come from), that was a ballsy move if only more children could have gotten out but there was no way to control that situation.

[Edited 2008-04-24 06:06:06]


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