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Topic: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2008-05-01 10:29:21 and read 4147 times.

Each time I fly it seems more and more people are bringing their suitcases in the cabin with them, making it a pain in the ass both loading and unloading, and taking up space for stuff that shouldn't be going in the cargo hold (laptops, cameras).

With the recent trend of charging for a second bag beginning to really gain some traction, this trend will only get worse.

How about charging $25 to bring your bag in the cabin? Laptops, purses, stuff like that would be no charge, but anything bigger than that, you pay for it. It would free up space, get people to pack smarter, and get the planes in the air faster.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2008-05-01 10:35:18 and read 4139 times.

Airlines want you to carry your bags on, even if they are large. It is much cheaper for them to have you screen, carry, load, and unload your bags. Fewer ground employees, less ground equipment, more cargo space, fewer lost luggage claims.

The alternative is charging for carry-ons, everyone putting their luggage underneath, taking away cargo space, and then what? Loading the US mail into the overhead bins?  Wink

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: WILCO737
Posted 2008-05-01 10:36:26 and read 4132 times.



Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Each time I fly it seems more and more people are bringing their suitcases in the cabin with them, making it a pain in the ass both loading and unloading, and taking up space for stuff that shouldn't be going in the cargo hold (laptops, cameras).

Yeah, i am thinking the same! Some people take their whole living room with them as carry- on luggage. I bet it's bigger and heavier than it is allowed. but nobody cares! Sometimes it is horrible!

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
How about charging $25 to bring your bag in the cabin?

I think that would be a little too much! I mean, everybody can bring only ONE hand luggage on board and it has given size restrictions. They should be observed a lot more and if it is too big ---> cargo hold! Sure, laptops, cameras etc can be carried in the cabin...

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2008-05-01 10:40:02 and read 4119 times.



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
I bet it's bigger and heavier than it is allowed. but nobody cares! Sometimes it is horrible!

Yep, I think they could enforce the rules at the gate like AA used to (with their rightsize bins) and solve a lot of the issues. Of course, AA was annoying because their bin was EXACTLY the right size, which meant if somebody had a lipstick in an outer pocket it could make the bag not fit. Give it 1/2" extra all around, and then enforce it with a gate check tag. People will learn very quickly…

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Malaysia
Posted 2008-05-01 10:41:38 and read 4104 times.

Malaysia Airlines does enforce the rules, if it is over 5Kg at the gate, you are slapped with 109 dollar fee for violating the policy and the bag is sent plane-side to your final destination. Its fun for me to watch the people who get caught and throw a fit, but they were handed out and shown the information at check-in though.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: WILCO737
Posted 2008-05-01 10:43:21 and read 4104 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Yep, I think they could enforce the rules at the gate like AA used to (with their rightsize bins) and solve a lot of the issues. Of course, AA was annoying because their bin was EXACTLY the right size, which meant if somebody had a lipstick in an outer pocket it could make the bag not fit. Give it 1/2" extra all around, and then enforce it with a gate check tag. People will learn very quickly…

 thumbsup  Sounds good to me! or book your trip on a cargo airplane, then you can take as much carry on luggage as you can carry Big grin

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Richierich
Posted 2008-05-01 10:46:35 and read 4075 times.

I'm sure some airlines are thinking about, I'm sure of it! My guess is that a weight restriction will come first - if oil goes up and airlines become more and more desperate, its not too hard to believe.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2008-05-01 10:50:03 and read 4065 times.



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 4):
Malaysia Airlines does enforce the rules, if it is over 5Kg at the gate, you are slapped with 109 dollar fee for violating the policy and the bag is sent plane-side to your final destination. Its fun for me to watch the people who get caught and throw a fit, but they were handed out and shown the information at check-in though.

What a stupid rule - 5kg ? No wonder MH is such a successful airline. Airlines that apply these pettyfogging pointless rules to earn a little extra cash deserve whatever the competition does to them.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: GA330
Posted 2008-05-01 10:49:40 and read 4057 times.

I think charging for carry-ons will be a smart idea. Not only it will restrict people on what they carry, and really free up space, and of course make money for the airline.

I think they should charge like $10 for the first piece, $25 for the second and $35 for the third, maximum of three per pax. You should still be able to carry your personal item for free of charge (purse, laptops, small backpack).

And this with the $25 charge for check in bag will be a perfect combination. ie, a pax will first of all be encouraged to pack light, then consider the option of carry on that extra bag instead of checking it in.

And for those who dont want to pay for carryon, they certainly have the option to use the one-free-check bag policy, and thus clearing space for those who are actually willing to pay.

The big winner: Our poor, wretched, failing, flying their way faster than concorde to bankruptcy airlines, whom we love so much that we bash them everyday for every single policy they create Big grin

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Flynorth
Posted 2008-05-01 10:50:58 and read 4057 times.

I´ve been wondering about this too, but from a different perspective. A lot of airlines wants us to carry all our luggage on board and they don´t carry any cargo (at least from what I know of). LCC's like Ryanair, Southwest and many more. If the trend continues, at some point these airlines will not use the underneath cargo hold at all. This will be "dead" area, not producing any value for the airline.

Is it possible that we in the future will see the development of a completely new type of planes where that underneath cargo/baggage hold simply won´t be there? This should be most interesting for LCC´s that don´t have any feeds for long haul. I think this market should be big enough to be worth developing a completely new kind of airplane for. But it would require the plane makers to think out of the box and maybe change the design at the airports as well.

What do you think?


Regards,
flynorth

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: GA330
Posted 2008-05-01 10:54:32 and read 4030 times.

When I was working in MH, we have TWO agents standing behind the boarding counters to visually check the carryon bags that goes through. Most of the time is the pax who are travelling to India who violates the rules, but we dont slap the $109 charge cause we feel it is bad enough for them to get their bag taken at the gate. Most pax learned the lesson even without the $109 charge, which of course was our ultimate goal.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2008-05-01 10:58:45 and read 4011 times.



Quoting GA330 (Reply 8):
and really free up space

there is only value in freeing up space if that space is then used for something else. What value is there in flying with empty overhead bins?

The way it works now, if the bins are full and you can't fit it under your seat, you have to check it. That works for most airlines.

Again, people are ignoring the costs to the airline of loading more bags downstairs. There's a reason airlines ENCOURAGE carry ons, remind you that you can carry your bag on and "save time" etc. Because it saves the airline money.

Charging for the carry on is counter productive.

What might be a better idea is offering a free drink voucher to customers who don't check any bags at all. That would really please business customers, and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2008-05-01 11:06:16 and read 3970 times.

OK. We all need to take stuff with us. Rather than nickel-and-diming us by charging $25 extra for a second bag (watch: the first bag is next) and $25 to carry on, why not just just CHARGE MORE FOR THE TICKET?

*EVERYONE* carries something onboard with them. On my last trip, which was TATL, I carried no roll-on, but I had my computer bag with me. Would that be subject to the fee? Or would only stuff that needs to go in the overhead be subject?

I would fine such a policy outrageous.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: GA330
Posted 2008-05-01 11:08:32 and read 3958 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
What might be a better idea is offering a free drink voucher to customers who don't check any bags at all. That would really please business customers, and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.

Thats actually a great idea, but airlines will then have to evaluate the value of giving out free drinks & saving cost V.S. earning extra revenue in charging bags

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.

This is a logical argument, but I think many people experienced the fact that the OP stated, that many pax are now trying to bring ridiculous amount of carry on into the cabin instead of checking it in, and charging for carry on will restrict this kind of situation from happening.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2008-05-01 11:09:36 and read 3958 times.

Airlines don't charge for carry-on bags becasue carry-on's cost them nothing. I think a lot of the problem in the US is the size of carry-ons you guys are accustomed to. Some of the bags I have seen as carry-ons in the US were larger than my checked luggage!

I think we might see airlines becoming more strict on the allowances and more liable to make you check the bag in if it is over weight, but not charge for carry-ons...

Brian.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2008-05-01 11:14:30 and read 3931 times.



Quoting GA330 (Reply 13):
This is a logical argument, but I think many people experienced the fact that the OP stated, that many pax are now trying to bring ridiculous amount of carry on into the cabin instead of checking it in, and charging for carry on will restrict this kind of situation from happening.

Enforce the size limit. Charge a fee of $25 for an oversized approved carry-on (this is important for people like tennis pros and videographers and such who can't check their livelihood but also can't fit in a shoe box).

There are ways to earn extra revenue without being silly about it. Charging for carry-ons is silly, and again, it costs in the long run because of more ground staff (or longer to load baggage) and reduced cargo space.

I know some people say that it takes too long to get some customers to stow their carry ons, but I've never been delayed by this in my life. I've heard the F/As say to please hurry up so we can close the door, but any delay in closing the door I've every experienced has been from a delay in beginning boarding.

I HAVE been delayed numerous times by waiting for luggage to be loaded down below. Adding luggage there would lead to more delays of this type.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Malaysia
Posted 2008-05-01 11:15:40 and read 3923 times.



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 7):
What a stupid rule - 5kg ? No wonder MH is such a successful airline. Airlines that apply these pettyfogging pointless rules to earn a little extra cash deserve whatever the competition does to them.

BR and CI is 7KG I think, but I do not know if they apply a fee if your caught.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2008-05-01 11:16:22 and read 3923 times.

Of course, living in London, I use BAA's shopping malls to fly out, which are stuffed full of shops, full of expensive (and bulky) items that BAA's tenants will happily sell to you, and which have to be carried on as hand luggage!

So not only do people have massive carry ons, they also have lots of shopping too. No wonder the overhead compartments are so full...

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: GA330
Posted 2008-05-01 11:22:34 and read 3901 times.

Many of us argue, and I agree, that airlines should charge for items that SOME people use but not ALL of us use, such as drinks, counter check-in, checked bags, emergency seats and so on. I find this reasonable, as long as airlines dont charge extra for ridiculous items that all of us have to use anyway (fuel surchages).

This way it is more equitable for all of us. You pay for what you want to use, and the airlines can lower the average ticket prices, instead of rising it for everybody.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Sunshine79
Posted 2008-05-01 11:24:51 and read 3891 times.

I hope MOL dosen't read this otherwise he will have the charge implemented before midnight, lol.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2008-05-01 11:29:13 and read 3876 times.

The other solution is to speed up baggage check and return. I would be much more enthusiastic about checking my bags if I knew I wouldn't have to wait almost an hour after deplaning to retrieve them.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Evan767
Posted 2008-05-01 11:36:24 and read 3850 times.

So we are supposed to slap the person that carried something important such as their wedding dress with them on the plane, like any intellegent individual would do, with a hefty fee? Makes no sense to me. Deplaning isn't that much of a hassle. With this rule, I'm willing to bet that when the airline checks the bag for free, and loses it, they're going to have to replace valuable items such as wedding dresses, important clothes, top-secret documents, etc. And passengers would raise hell. Bad idea.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: DeltaFFinDFW
Posted 2008-05-01 11:36:59 and read 3850 times.



Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
It would free up space, get people to pack smarter, and get the planes in the air faster.

How does that help people pack smarter? I pack smarter because I can only fit a certain amount in a carry-on. If I checked bags, I would pack more stuff because I have the room to do so.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
The other solution is to speed up baggage check and return. I would be much more enthusiastic about checking my bags if I knew I wouldn't have to wait almost an hour after deplaning to retrieve them.

I totally agree. Most of us business travelers don't have time to wait for bags since we are running from the airport to meetings.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Xtoler
Posted 2008-05-01 11:58:23 and read 3807 times.

Now that I work for a hardware retailer, I'm thinking of bringing a kitchen sink on board, I can just stuff all my clothes and toiletries in the basins. Now that's taking everything and the kitchen sink!

I was surprised what some gate agents would let pax down the jetway with. A lot of them just give up the argument and let me decide what goes on or get's checked at the gate. Being on an ERJ it's a real easy decision. Most of the time, it's going in the back. Then again, most carry-ons that would fit into mainline bins, wouldn't fit in our bins.

As far as charging, I really don't think that's necessary. BTW on mailine flights, and even on us regionals, we fly a lot more cargo, and a whole lot more mail than what pax see.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2008-05-01 12:31:57 and read 3749 times.



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 23):
Being on an ERJ it's a real easy decision. Most of the time, it's going in the back. Then again, most carry-ons that would fit into mainline bins, wouldn't fit in our bins.

Yep. But the thing about this is that the customer knows that on the other end, they wait at the aircraft door and the bag comes back to them within 5 minutes.

I'm all for that system if there is overflow in the main cabin of mainline. But usually they just put a gate check and it shows up, hopefully, on the baggage carousel.

That sucks.

I've only had one argument ever with an ERJ gate agent. It was COex in Manchester, and she didn't believe that my bag fits under the seat. I tried to explain that it did on the flight up and on every other flight I've been on, and I use that particular bag when I'm taking an ERJ because I know it fits. But she still followed me onto the plane, gate check in hand, to make sure I wasn't lying! It fit of course, and she went back to the gate…

And even all of that wasted time still didn't delay our departure.  Wink

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2008-05-01 13:06:07 and read 3684 times.



Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 22):
If I checked bags, I would pack more stuff because I have the room to do so.

Not if it cost you more.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Futurecaptain
Posted 2008-05-01 13:07:29 and read 3789 times.



Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 19):
I hope MOL dosen't read this otherwise he will have the charge implemented before midnight, lol.

Under the seat is free. The overhead bins are equipped with credit card readers, when you swipe your card the bin unlocks and you can use it.
And then of course if you want your luggage back after the trip you swipe your card again and are charged again.  Smile

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Mauiman31
Posted 2008-05-01 13:22:55 and read 3737 times.



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 26):
Under the seat is free. The overhead bins are equipped with credit card readers, when you swipe your card the bin unlocks and you can use it.
And then of course if you want your luggage back after the trip you swipe your card again and are charged again

Brilliant! Love it. Can you imagine the boarding process. . . . Wow. Last week coming home on a DL. Full up. And there was one of those kindly senior couples who had boarded early and carefully laid out their jackets (so not to wrinkle them) in the bin right over their row . . . taking up over half the bin. Poor things, they looked so shocked when the FA said they would have to move them or shove them on top of someone's bag. They remember when flying was civilized in economy.  biggrin 

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Catiii
Posted 2008-05-01 13:25:30 and read 3716 times.

Didn't Skybus try this?

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: MrBrightSide
Posted 2008-05-01 14:41:10 and read 3659 times.



Quoting Mauiman31 (Reply 27):
Poor things, they looked so shocked when the FA said they would have to move them or shove them on top of someone's bag. They remember when flying was civilized in economy. biggrin

Poor things? Civilized in Economy? You mean at the times when Y was half empty-to-empty, you could play ball in the middle of plane and nobody would complain... ah right, that time. When it comes to coats, most of the seats on planes have some sort of hook to put your coat on.... and if the plane is full, taking half of the bin is just inconsiderate to other passengers, therefor not civilized, but exactly the opposite.

What is inconsiderate when somebody puts roll-on bag sideways, instead of wheels in... and then two roll-ons will take whole bin, instead of half...

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2008-05-01 22:04:46 and read 3453 times.



Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 22):
I totally agree. Most of us business travelers don't have time to wait for bags since we are running from the airport to meetings.

Stuff that, dude! I don't care if you're running to perform emergency neurosurgery. I just have better things to do than stand there gazing at a baggage carousel for an hour and so do you. Even if we're just going to go to the beach.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: SupraZachAir
Posted 2008-05-01 22:52:23 and read 3409 times.

As stated earlier, I HIGHLY doubt airlines (at least in the US) would do this. The more carry-on's the better. They don't require sorting and ground handling, they save weight being in the cabin versus in the pit (even if they are ala cart/valet/gate-check they are usually weighted as a lower average weight), and it also relates to lower lost bag claims. The big money frequent flyers hate waiting at baggage claim and would definitely not be pleased with being charged. So, all that said, I really don't see this happening.


... sorry for rambling. =)

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Andz
Posted 2008-05-01 23:06:01 and read 3396 times.

I recently did a day trip to Durban so all I had was my backpack. I put it in the bin above my head and sat down, as the plane filled up so did the overheads. Next thing I see a guy take my backpack out of the overhead and put a pull-along in its place, then he starts off towards the back with my backpack!

"Excuse me, please put that back"
"There's space for it back here"
"There was space for it where it was, put it back"
"It will be okay here" (wherever 'here' was I never found out)
"I want to keep an eye on it so that nothing gets stolen, please put it back!"

At this point a FA stepped in and my bag went back where it was. I could feel this guy scowling at the back of my head for the whole flight but I was astounded at his nerve!

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2008-05-02 06:26:40 and read 3259 times.

Charging extra for carry-ons? That would make too much sense. Making people pay for for the added value of convinience of not checking a bag. You would thunk that was a no brainer.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
The alternative is charging for carry-ons, everyone putting their luggage underneath, taking away cargo space, and then what? Loading the US mail into the overhead bins?

Not because the reason people carry on board is for the convenience of speed (not having to wait for hte bag to come out), and security (not having the bag not show up). People would be far more willing to pay for the added convenience of a carry-on than to pay for a second bad. Why would I pay for a second bag when I can carry it myself free of charge without the risk of losing it?

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2008-05-02 07:22:35 and read 3202 times.



Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
How about charging $25 to bring your bag in the cabin? Laptops, purses, stuff like that would be no charge, but anything bigger than that, you pay for it. It would free up space, get people to pack smarter, and get the planes in the air faster.

If the airlines could process the luggage faster.

Don't expect me to pay full fare with those rules. But if say the cheapest ticket paid the fee, I'd be ok with that. But if anyone thinks full fare Y would tolerate this...  no 

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):

I HAVE been delayed numerous times by waiting for luggage to be loaded down below. Adding luggage there would lead to more delays of this type.

Sometimes an hour.

In effect, you're adding a fee for something the customer expects to be free. How about the airlines copy B6 (and others) and put on the curved overhead bin doors that allow the roll away cases to be turned 90 degrees. This lets one more fit in the bin.

Some things make sense. E.g., charging non-full fare for the 2nd bag. That weight costs fuel and people should pack a bit less (in general). But flying isn't what it was even a decade ago. I still remember arriving at an airport 20 minutes before the gate time and making the flight. It used to be possible to do quick day trips to nearby cities. Now the sub 250 mile market is dead due to all of the delays.

I hear a lot of complaints that passengers should just pay more here on a.net. Fine... provide the service that justifies the added revenue. But do remember that the passenger who forgoes a carryon is going to expect a discount on the ticket. This isn't a long term way of raising the revenue much.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Signol
Posted 2008-05-02 08:16:57 and read 3163 times.



Quoting Andz (Reply 32):

No way, the audactiy of the thing! Which airline was it?

I hope Michael O'Leary isn't reading this... Ryanair (and Easyjet) charge around £5-6 per checked bag anyway, I can see them starting to charge maybe half that for any hand luggage more than a lady's handbag...

signol

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Nzrich
Posted 2008-05-02 19:10:21 and read 3022 times.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14):
Airlines don't charge for carry-on bags becasue carry-on's cost them nothing. I think a lot of the problem in the US is the size of carry-ons you guys are accustomed to. Some of the bags I have seen as carry-ons in the US were larger than my checked luggage!

I hear you !! I hear some American passengers complain about hand luggage " but its allowed in America" . My usual reply is "Yes well maybe in America its allowed but your not in America now !! It would make life so much simpler if it was just one size rule for carry on luggage in all countries and that was enforced !! The bags are slowly getting bigger and bigger and the limits seem to be getting pushed more and more !!

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Analog
Posted 2008-05-02 21:13:09 and read 2968 times.



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 4):
Malaysia Airlines does enforce the rules, if it is over 5Kg at the gate, you are slapped with 109 dollar fee for violating the policy and the bag is sent plane-side to your final destination. Its fun for me to watch the people who get caught and throw a fit, but they were handed out and shown the information at check-in though.

Shown the information at check in? 5kg? My carry-on bag is 4kg empty, yet it takes about as much overhead space as a standard briefcase (many of which are also several kg empty). I assume your airline also refuses to take responsibility for checked electronics (notebook computers with case are usually over 5kg). What should an MH customer do with a computer, CPAP machine, or suit needed on arrival (suit, shirt, & bag is usually over 5kg)?

You enjoy springing absurd charges on passengers when they're informed that late in the game? Very classy, but thanks for the info. I now know to avoid MH, given its attitude towards customers.

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: Andz
Posted 2008-05-02 22:37:50 and read 2933 times.



Quoting Signol (Reply 35):
No way, the audactiy of the thing! Which airline was it?

Nationwide (CE)  tombstone 

Topic: RE: How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?
Username: DABTH747
Posted 2008-05-02 23:51:56 and read 2906 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):

people find way around that, you have the tag put on the bag at check in, then the family seeing them off gives them the kitchen sink in 2 different bags plus a purse and the carry on with the gate check tag, now its time to depart, boarding completed Except this lady she comes along, all hold doors are closed and she has excess cabin luggage, what will you do? charge her at the gate, delay the flight oh and open hold 5 to put in her carry on and other bag?

Passengers are very very smart....


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