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Topic: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: BDL
Posted 2008-05-17 11:56:38 and read 107947 times.

With all the talk surrounding fuel prices and the cost of a barrel of oil (closing at $126.29 on Friday), I was wondering how much money it actually costs an airline to fully fuel a 747? If there is any other info on other airliners, I would love to find out.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-05-17 12:10:20 and read 107956 times.

I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.
Blue
P.S. That is an old fuel price. I would believe it would be much higher now.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: BDL
Posted 2008-05-17 12:13:59 and read 107923 times.

No wonder everyone, particularly US airlines, is "bleeding $." I'm guessing a 737 costs a little more than half of that, so that is a heck of a lot of fuel that they're using. What's a plane's MPG?

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-05-17 12:15:58 and read 107912 times.



Quoting BDL (Reply 2):
What's a plane's MPG?

It is hard to tell. It changes often because of factors like weight and wind.
Blue

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: UAL727NE
Posted 2008-05-17 12:19:54 and read 107887 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.
Blue
P.S. That is an old fuel price. I would believe it would be much higher now.

WOW!!!! 7.99? Where you getting fuel from? At my FBO JETA is 5.39. At full retail price it would cost308,766.15 but airlines get an even bigger discount. So not even that much.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Point8six
Posted 2008-05-17 12:27:00 and read 107856 times.

Max. tanks for a B747-400 is approx. 175tonnes (approx. because of variations with SG). What it would cost would depend on whether or not the airline has "hedged" it's fuel and which airport it uplifted the fuel. Obviously at the present moment, it would be difficult to give a figure as it might have increased since you posted! Perhaps someone can give you a "ball park figure" -I just sign for it!
The real question is " if supplies are more than adequate for the next 50 years" (Saudi oil official), why are we being screwed on price?  Confused

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-05-17 12:28:36 and read 107832 times.

I got that from airnav.com. The airport I have is MSP and the company is Signature Flight Support. It says it is from April 21, 2008. It is for JET A.
I checked out others: (JET A)
JFK 7.18 as of April 20
BDL 7.00 as of MAy 14
LGA 8.12 as of May 16
EWR 8.27 as of May 13.
Remember this isn't what the airlines are paying its just market price.
Blue

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Airbatica
Posted 2008-05-17 12:28:49 and read 107835 times.

Jetblueguy, where on earth did you find that price for Jet-A? That's way out of line with current market prices, although it might cost that much at your local FBO after you factor in all the additional costs.

See http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economics/fuel_monitor/index.htm

Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM.  Smile

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-05-17 12:33:58 and read 107805 times.



Quoting Airbatica (Reply 7):
Jetblueguy, where on earth did you find that price for Jet-A?

I got it from airnav.com. I am just putting down what they are saying.
Blue

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: UAL727NE
Posted 2008-05-17 12:40:39 and read 107756 times.

WOW I cant believe the price of fuel at other FBO's! With the price at my FBO every jet in the country should be stopping here. But then again my boss doesnt want to spend the money to abvertise....IDIOT!!!!

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Airbatica
Posted 2008-05-17 12:41:24 and read 107744 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 8):
I got it from airnav.com. I am just putting down what they are saying.

Yeah, I must have been replying while you were responding.  Smile

Just as a point of reference, I just put 3361USG on a 737 going DFW-SEA. At $3.78 a gallon, it would be $12704.58, and at $7.99, it would be $26854.39. The flight arrived with 7,200lbs, and required 29,700lbs for the trip. The flight went out with 7 open seats.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-05-17 12:43:59 and read 107743 times.



Quoting UAL727NE (Reply 9):
But then again my boss doesnt want to spend the money to abvertise....IDIOT!!!!

Tell him about this and he might reconsider!
Blue

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: UAL727NE
Posted 2008-05-17 12:45:54 and read 107702 times.

I doubt it. He has alot of money and charters out jets as well. But he still dont want to. The last prson that owned this place only made .40 a gal. and this airport was packed 24/7. He is making 1.20 a gal. If he would lower that to even .50 a gal. profit and ab. He would be Making alot more money and making us lineguys happy cuz we would be getting paid to work. Instead he pays us to be really really bored.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Boston92
Posted 2008-05-17 12:53:51 and read 107670 times.

At SBA, JETA is $8.39, but at a local GA airport just 10 minutes away, JETA is $4.99 (100LL is $5.03).

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: TristarSteve
Posted 2008-05-17 13:08:31 and read 107611 times.

According to Air transport world, www.atwonline.com
the price for Jet A1 in the market was around 3.30 USD at end of March.
They publish a graph of jet fuel price every month.

This is the spot cash price.
Airlines have contracts and will pay less.

[Edited 2008-05-17 13:09:19]

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-05-17 13:26:26 and read 107550 times.

Yeah, I do not believe anybody would pay $8 for fuel. The going rate is $3 and change. So, if it cost $8, you could drive a truck from an airport and make $5 per gallon profit, or say $30,000 profit on a 5,000 gal truck for a day's work.

This is a long way of saying no, Jet-A does NOT cost $8 a gallon, and if somebody says so, they are wrong, so we don't need to hear about it.


Filling a 747 with 50,000 gallons of Jet-A (almost full) would cost around $150,000-$200,000 at current world prices. This is an extremely close to accurate figure. It will not be $450,000. That would be ludicrous.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Boston92
Posted 2008-05-17 13:45:30 and read 107480 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
Yeah, I do not believe anybody would pay $8 for fuel.

Plenty of people do. That is how much it costs here in SBA, and I see plenty of corprate jets filling up at that price. That IS how much it costs at larger more executive airports.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: BDL
Posted 2008-05-17 16:28:57 and read 107229 times.



Quoting Airbatica (Reply 7):

Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM. Smile

That would equate to a $158.76 barrel of oil. Dude, you're a week ahead of yourself!

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2008-05-17 16:41:27 and read 107172 times.



Quote:
Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM. Smile

Yeah, but airplanes don't fly on barrels of crude oil. They fly on jet fuel that comes out of a pump and hose. I think you missed a few steps in your jet fuel calculation.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: United1
Posted 2008-05-17 16:47:50 and read 107156 times.



Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 18):
Yeah, but airplanes don't fly on barrels of crude oil. They fly on jet fuel that comes out of a pump and hose. I think you missed a few steps in your jet fuel calculation.

Hes not that far off actually in figuring out what the airlines would pay for fuel. For example 1st quarter UA paid on average 3.03 a gallon for jet-A.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: United1
Posted 2008-05-17 16:51:17 and read 107131 times.



Quoting United1 (Reply 19):
Hes not that far off actually in figuring out what the airlines would pay for fuel. For example 1st quarter UA paid on average 3.03 a gallon for jet-A.

Actually I read the wrong line UA paid 2.84 a gallon on average, UAX paid 3.03 a gallon on average, and for whatever reason the site won't let me edit my post.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2008-05-17 17:34:33 and read 106716 times.

So how much does it actually cost to fuel at 747?

I have a hard time believeing that it cost $457,000. That would mean that it would cost each passenger about $1250 in fuel alone.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Boston92
Posted 2008-05-17 17:37:22 and read 106653 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
So how much does it actually cost to fuel at 747?

I have a hard time believeing that it cost $457,000. That would mean that it would cost each passenger about $1250 in fuel alone.

Listen, we have already been to the fact that the airlines pay much less then the average joe for JetA. Take United who paid $2.84 a gallon. That would be $168,000 dollars.

But yes, if you went out and bought yourself a 747-400, you would pay close to $457,000 for a full tank.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: United1
Posted 2008-05-17 17:46:51 and read 106563 times.

Using the numbers quoted on this thread the total number of gallons that a 744 holds is 57,285 using an average of $2.84 a gallon that comes out to $162,689 for a full load of fuel. The actual amount paid is going to vary quite a bit depending on how much airline pays for the fuel (hedged or negotiated rate or market price.)

744ER 63,705 gallons
748 64,225 gallons

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: GolfOscarDelta
Posted 2008-05-17 18:15:20 and read 106235 times.

It would be interesting to know how much the Saudi Royals (and the other oil rich middle eastern countries' royals) pay to tank up their Royal 747's

Any guesses???  scratchchin 

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: MOBflyer
Posted 2008-05-17 18:47:34 and read 105891 times.



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 22):

But yes, if you went out and bought yourself a 747-400, you would pay close to $457,000 for a full tank.

Not if you were smart. You would fuel up at an airport in the region (100 miles or so) and have a dead repositioning leg.
Total cost: $25K, if that
Total Savings: $250K, if not more

Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 24):
It would be interesting to know how much the Saudi Royals (and the other oil rich middle eastern countries' royals) pay to tank up their Royal 747's

Any guesses??? scratchchin

They pay about an eighth as us for a price of gasoline, so that extrapolated to cover jet fuel would mean that they pay about $0.49 per gallon or about $31,470 for the 64,225 gallons United1 says the 747 is capable of holding.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Aruba
Posted 2008-05-17 18:54:50 and read 106307 times.

Here in Connecticut gasoline is about $4.05 per gallon USD. To fil a tank of gas it is about $65 USD, for just a sedan!
Surprised to see BDL the lowest on that chart.

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
I checked out others: (JET A)
JFK 7.18 as of April 20
BDL 7.00 as of MAy 14
LGA 8.12 as of May 16
EWR 8.27 as of May 13.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: JAGflyer
Posted 2008-05-17 21:07:34 and read 105242 times.

YKZ's FBO charges $1.46 per litre (no additive) and 1 cent extra per litre with additive. $1.50 per litre for 100LL.

I recall my teacher mentioning airlines buy fuel from a company ahead of time for a set price and that is how they avoid the higher cost as oil goes up. I forget the name for this though.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: JetJeanes
Posted 2008-05-17 22:20:04 and read 104707 times.

Airlines rates are differnt because of the volume of fuel they buy and they buy ahead of time in contracts. They dont pay
""Pump pricE"" lol depending on the airline and the volumes and average is about 3.50 as may. Now god knows whats going to happen at the end of these contracts and fuel is 8 or 9 dollars a gallon they will probably due what 18 wheelers are doing know parking them and hopw for a better day, At 9 bucks a gallon No one could really afford to travel unless its and emergency so we will see a lot more computer conference meetings and expanded sales calls meetings via the internet,

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: UAL747
Posted 2008-05-17 22:25:37 and read 104717 times.

I've always wondered how amazing it is that a 747 carries enough fuel to fill a very large swimming pool. That amount of fuel is just amazing to me!

UAL

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Acidradio
Posted 2008-05-17 23:12:46 and read 104388 times.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 27):
I recall my teacher mentioning airlines buy fuel from a company ahead of time for a set price and that is how they avoid the higher cost as oil goes up. I forget the name for this though.

They purchase futures or options, which is a practice known as "hedging." Airlines commonly hedge fuel prices by purchasing futures contracts, options contracts or some other kind of derivative. Airline economists and financial analysts get out their crystal ball (and other data) and figure out what they think is going to happen to the price of fuel in the future. They then go on the market (these contracts are traded on major exchanges like the Chicago Board of Trade, Chicago Merc, NY Merc, etc.) and buy them. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futures_contract and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedging .

Ever heard the term "hedging your bets?" That is where it comes from.

[Edited 2008-05-17 23:13:20]

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Seafleet
Posted 2008-05-17 23:46:54 and read 104145 times.

I am amazed at the figures quoted and for the purpose of my point lets take the cheapest I saw roughly $167k for a 747 -400 so my question is does this not prove the Airbus theory and forecasts to build the 380???
More seats equals a better chance of making a profit however modest?
Roger

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: RJ111
Posted 2008-05-18 00:50:45 and read 103775 times.

At 100 dollars per barrel you would be looking at about $180k.

Though few routes actually require a full load of fuel.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Mikoneill
Posted 2008-05-18 01:31:38 and read 103508 times.

Point8six says at 747 takes 175T fuel.

BA's latest financial results indicate that Jet fuel prices are now at $1200/T
http://library.corporate-ir.net/libr...ems/294299/Results_Pres_160508.pdf (pg 36)

On this basis, a full tank is $210k

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: HT1000
Posted 2008-05-18 01:53:09 and read 103296 times.



Quoting Seafleet (Reply 31):
More seats equals a better chance of making a profit however modest?

That 's true if you have a nearly 100 % load factor

Not every route requires the size of the A380.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Vald
Posted 2008-05-18 03:34:26 and read 102472 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):


Quoting UAL727NE (Reply 9):
But then again my boss doesnt want to spend the money to abvertise....IDIOT!!!!

Tell him about this and he might reconsider!
Blue

I wouldn't, don't think he would like to know that you think of him as an IDIOT!

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: F9Animal
Posted 2008-05-18 06:28:54 and read 101166 times.

Reguar avgas is running a cheap $5.30 a gallon in some of the smaller airports in Washington State. What a deal!

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Movingtin
Posted 2008-05-18 06:58:34 and read 100870 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
This is a long way of saying no, Jet-A does NOT cost $8 a gallon, and if somebody says so, they are wrong, so we don't need to hear about it.

So you have personally checked every Jet A retailer in the world, and Not a single one is charging $8 a gallon???

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Point8six
Posted 2008-05-18 07:14:16 and read 100692 times.

According to The Sunday Times (UK), fuel broke through $1300 per tonne, last week. Therefore, a fully-fuelled B747-400 would cost $227,500. Of course there are the usual disclaimers for "hedging", supplier,volume and airport.
It works out at $600 per pax (375-seater) - it makes me wonder how long "cheap fares" will be with us and how many a/c will be grounded to reduce operating costs.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Jetstar
Posted 2008-05-18 07:50:28 and read 100325 times.



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 16):
Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
Yeah, I do not believe anybody would pay $8 for fuel.

Plenty of people do. That is how much it costs here in SBA, and I see plenty of corprate jets filling up at that price. That IS how much it costs at larger more executive airports.

A lot of corporate jet operators have signed up for fuel discount cards, even though the meter might show one price, when they get the bill it will be lower.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-05-18 09:33:48 and read 99189 times.

All I am saying is, I am an able bodied person. If you give me the opportunity to (1) buy a fuel truck, (2) sell Jet-A for $8 per gallon, I will go purchase that fuel truck and sell to those idiots.

Therefore, (unless we are talking legal restrictions), the market price for Jet-A could not possibly be $8 per gallon. Not even in Barrow, Alaska. Something else must be happening there, like California state taxes or a legal monopoly on Jet-A by the airport. Otherwise, I would drive my tanker truck and make a quick $30,000 off this every day. At $10 million per year, the income would be really nice for me, and I would buy a huge house with llamas and 2 to 3 swimming pools.

That is how ridiculous $8 Jet-A really is. I have heard FBOs charge a healthy premium, but DOUBLE... in the age of $3 fuel... why did their premium suddenly become $3-$5 per gallon? Its like being raped, not that I would care if it bought be a llama ranch, and I could hire the Rolling Stones for my kid's birthday party. That high a premium could buy me lots of cool stuff.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Boston92
Posted 2008-05-18 09:43:22 and read 99082 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 40):

You could just as easily take your tanker truck to a gas station in the states, fill her up, take her across the pond, and sell that gas to the "idiots" in Europe who pay $8.00 a gallon for gasoline. Right?

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-05-18 09:51:27 and read 98989 times.



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 41):
You could just as easily take your tanker truck to a gas station in the states, fill her up, take her across the pond, and sell that gas to the "idiots" i

Well yes, if the non-tax fuel price in Europe was really high. I think it's the exact same in Europe vs. the USA, plus or minus 10%. Because the oil tanker ships would reverse course and head to Europe just like I was saying, if the differential were high.

I guess there is some element I am missing. Like. the "service charges" can be an incredible rip-off at FBOs sometimes. That, I can believe. But if people are really paying $7 or $8, my shiny truck is gonna do great and the Rolling Stones will be playing in my backyard.


My friend is a corporate jet pilot and he did mention they pay exorbitant amounts for jet fuel. The reason why is still a mystery. I wonder if somebody could explain it..

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: N770WD
Posted 2008-05-18 10:31:59 and read 98612 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.

This has nothing to do with hedging.

FBO prices include the base price of fuel, taxes for general aviation and markup for the FBO.

It is true that Jet-A prices (retail) at FBOs around the country are in the $6.50 to $8.00 range per gallon. That said, most will offer (substantial) discounts if you're buying 500+ gallons. Remember that the fuel cost usually also includes handling at the facility, the free coffee and donuts, crew lounge, and other services that would just be passed on a la carte if the fuel price were lower.

Airlines generally receive pricing based on US gulf pipe, barge, etc. on a weekly or monthly basis. It depends on the station and provider. Agents will quote both domestic (which include taxes) and international (tax-free) pricing depending on the destination of the flight. Note that if an airline has hedged, the airline almost always buys fuel on the monthly or weekly market but settles the derivative in the market and offsets proceeds against its "retail" cost.

Airlines look at fuel cost as the sum of different base costs and taxes, which include:

Product cost, or what the seller obtains fuel for
Customer differential, or the surcharge added to fuel to reflect the airline's volume at that station (can be negative)
Product cost + differential = delivered price.

Then federal tax is added to the delivered price if domestic flight, plus state excise, environmental fees and sales tax. Into-plane loading charges are usually per gallon with a minimum fee.

Finally there is an airport fee, storage fee, and flowage fee to reflect the airport-related costs of storing and delivering the fuel.

All of the above can add between $0.20 and $0.60 to the spot price of Jet A for the given source.

With fuel today on international flights between $3.50 and $4.00, a 7.5 hour average transatlantic segment on a 747-400 would average about 130,000 pounds of fuel at a typical load. That translates to between $68,000 and $77,600 of fuel loaded.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-05-18 12:06:00 and read 97660 times.

Keep in mind that fuel purchased by airlines is usually much cheaper when used on international routes since bilateral agreements generally prohibit taxes from being applied on fuel used internationally.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Dw747400
Posted 2008-05-18 12:30:53 and read 97579 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 42):
My friend is a corporate jet pilot and he did mention they pay exorbitant amounts for jet fuel. The reason why is still a mystery. I wonder if somebody could explain it..

Depeding where he flies and what fuel contracts his company has, it is possible he has not seen these extreme prices. But $8 Jet A is very real at some airports. Signature at BWI for example was hovering just under $8.20 last I checked--of course, Signature is almost always the highes priced fuel you can find.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: Timo007
Posted 2008-05-18 13:16:11 and read 97477 times.

To give you guys an idea. Platts reported Friday that a barge of Jet is trading for 1326 dollars per ton in Northwest Europe. I have friends that work in Jet sales for a major oil company. They will all tell you that this is the Platts market rate, on this you need to add distribution costs and profit margins. Anyone in the business will tell you that the Jet market is very tight at the moment and I can guarantee you that most small players will be paying over 1400 dollars a ton.

Cheers,

Timo

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: BillReid
Posted 2008-05-18 13:29:25 and read 97425 times.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.

I do not know where you get your fuel prices.
But about $3.90 is what the airlines are paying.

Topic: RE: How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?
Username: CAP2008
Posted 2008-05-18 20:16:31 and read 97148 times.

How are airlines charged for fuel at a particular airport. Take NW for example, are they charged a lower price at US airports (DTW,MSP in particular), than when they take on fuel in Europe for example. On a DTW-LHR flight, suppose they use the same amount of fuel on each leg; are they paying more for the return leg, because the UK has higher fuel prices? How are ticket prices calculated? According to nwa.com, a one-way non stop ticket from DTW-LHR is $1242, while the LHR-DTW one-way is $2965, while round trip is $629 for the same day 

[Edited 2008-05-18 20:45:27]


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