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Topic: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 15:50:22 and read 9820 times.

Within a year, Delta's 777 fleet will have doubled. The training schedule on the current 200ER has been heavy and a need for an additional trainer was identified late in 2007. Last week we took delivery of a brand new flight simulator from CAE Electronics of Montreal, a 200LR modeled after N701DN.

Here are a few photos of the devices arrival in Atlanta and installation phase:

Arrival at ATG:


Installation begins:


Visual system installation:


Current progress:


It should be noted that this simulator's motion system isn't hydraulically driven, rather it is entirely electromagnetic. FAA certification should be completed within a weeks time from this posting.

More at: http://simuflite.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Chris in ATL

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: FalconBird
Posted 2008-05-26 16:14:12 and read 9761 times.

They delivered it to the wrong address. This is not my house.

Great looking simulator, though.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: UnitedTristar
Posted 2008-05-26 16:18:07 and read 9750 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
a 200LR

what exactly is the difference between a 200ER sim and a 200LR sim?

-m

 airplane 

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 17:20:32 and read 9599 times.



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 2):
what exactly is the difference between a 200ER sim and a 200LR sim?

The same differences between the ER and LR aircraft apply in the simulator.


  • For one, our 777-200LRs have the electronic flight bag installed. Studies are ongoing as to whether or not to retrofit the EFB into the ER fleet.
  • AIMS 6 is used on the LR, AIMS 1 was used on the ER, though AIMS 6 has been retrofitted onto the ER fleet already. AIMS is an acronym for Aircraft Information Management System.
  • The 232LR is powered by GE90-110s, vice RR Trent 895s on the 232ER.
  • The max takeoff weight has increased to 766,000 lbs and the max landing weight to 492,000 lbs.
  • The fuel tank capacity has increased to 320,800 lbs from 303,100 lbs.
  • Range is 8,800 nm on the LR.
Hell, even the coffee maker is different on the LR. But there's no coffee maker on the simulator so that wouldn't apply in this case.  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2008-05-26 17:28:03 and read 9576 times.

Hey Chris

I think you told me this sim can also be used to train for the 773ER too right?

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 17:39:17 and read 9545 times.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):

I think you told me this sim can also be used to train for the 773ER too right?

A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.

[Edited 2008-05-26 17:39:42]

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: IronDuke08
Posted 2008-05-26 18:00:04 and read 9484 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.

So is this Delta's first 777 sim, period, or do you have 777-200ER sims as well?

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 18:11:37 and read 9456 times.



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 6):
So is this Delta's first 777 sim, period, or do you have 777-200ER sims as well?

We have had a 777-232ER simulator for many years.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Kaitak744
Posted 2008-05-26 18:16:42 and read 9431 times.



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 6):
So is this Delta's first 777 sim, period, or do you have 777-200ER sims as well?



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
The training schedule on the current 200ER has been heavy and a need for an additional trainer was identified late in 2007.

I am guessing DL already has one 777 simulator.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: IronDuke08
Posted 2008-05-26 19:03:16 and read 9347 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 7):
We have had a 777-232ER simulator for many years.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.

Oh okay, so does United have a 777-200LR sim even though they don't operate that aircraft or was your single 777-232ER sim simply insufficient for your training needs as your 777 fleet grew/grows beyond the original (8?) 777-232ERs?

Thanks!

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Rwy04LGA
Posted 2008-05-26 19:14:35 and read 9308 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
RR Trent 895s on the 232ER.

I thought they were 892s.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: 777DEN
Posted 2008-05-26 19:21:54 and read 9298 times.

it's AIMS2 BP06 not AIMS6

AIMS1 was the AIMS hardware used on the 777 thru late 2000
AIMS2 is the current hardware used on the 777

the major differences are faster processors and more memory on AIMS 2 and the replacement of the FDDI maintenance bus with Ethernet( which also meant the replacement of the built-in and portable MATs [Maintenance Access Terminals])

AIMS software comes out about every 2 years and BlockPoint 06 is the latest released version ( for both AIMS1 and AIMS2)

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2008-05-26 19:25:46 and read 9279 times.

DL upgraded the ER engines to 895s prior to the start of nonstop BOMJFK. the conversion is both a hardware and software change.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: EMBQA
Posted 2008-05-26 19:26:07 and read 9282 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):

....and I bet it comes with a nice price tag too

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 19:29:43 and read 9256 times.



Quoting 777DEN (Reply 11):
AIMS software comes out about every 2 years and BlockPoint 06 is the latest released version ( for both AIMS1 and AIMS2)

Thanks for the clarification. BP06 was what I was referring to.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2008-05-26 20:36:34 and read 9137 times.



Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 10):
I thought they were 892s.

Originally, they were. Trent892-17s.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
DL upgraded the ER engines to 895s prior to the start of nonstop BOMJFK.

not all of them (by that point in time), though they did increase the MTOW to a full 656K.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Mark5388916
Posted 2008-05-26 20:47:45 and read 9104 times.

I think this would look far better in my room....  Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Okie73
Posted 2008-05-26 21:03:05 and read 9058 times.

this sim is a 777-300 sim. 300ER I believe.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: PIA777
Posted 2008-05-26 21:08:38 and read 9043 times.

Cool. When Can I come over and play?

PIA777

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 21:13:56 and read 9028 times.



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 9):
Oh okay, so does United have a 777-200LR sim even though they don't operate that aircraft or was your single 777-232ER sim simply insufficient for your training needs as your 777 fleet grew/grows beyond the original (8?) 777-232ERs?

You quoted the answer to the very question you asked. A 777 flight crew can train on any 777 device. The cockpits - regardless of subtype - are virtually identical (in terms of hardware). With the 777 fleet soon to be doubling, we'll need twice as many pilots. That means we need another trainer.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 17):
this sim is a 777-300 sim. 300ER I believe.

This simulator was a "white tail" device and is currently - at least in the software - a 300ER, yes. But, like I said, it is modeled after N701DN.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2008-05-26 22:57:13 and read 8910 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
For one, our 777-200LRs have the electronic flight bag installed. Studies are ongoing as to whether or not to retrofit the EFB into the ER fleet.
AIMS 6 is used on the LR, AIMS 1 was used on the ER, though AIMS 6 has been retrofitted onto the ER fleet already. AIMS is an acronym for Aircraft Information Management System.
The 232LR is powered by GE90-110s, vice RR Trent 895s on the 232ER.
The max takeoff weight has increased to 766,000 lbs and the max landing weight to 492,000 lbs.
The fuel tank capacity has increased to 320,800 lbs from 303,100 lbs.
Range is 8,800 nm on the LR.

It sounds like most of the differences could be accomplished with some simple changes in software. After all, the sim has neither engines, nor an MTOW, nor a fuel tank capacity, and I would imagine that the AIMS can be changed without changing too much of the hardware at the level of the UI...

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-26 23:03:10 and read 8897 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
It sounds like most of the differences could be accomplished with some simple changes in software. After all, the sim has neither engines, nor an MTOW, nor a fuel tank capacity, and I would imagine that the AIMS can be changed without changing too much of the hardware at the level of the UI...

You are correct.

For instance, we (Delta) sell many, many hours to Aeromexico. In the case of their 767 crews, they use one our 767-332ER simulators. AMX uses GE engines on their 767s, so we have an "AMX" load built specifically for them. When an AMX crew is scheduled, we swap out the engine start panel and load the AMX load and their on their way.

In the case of the 777, the only differences in the cockpit related to engine type are generated by software (i.e. a GE-90 uses N1, N2 indications whereas the Trent uses N1, EPR, and N2 etc.).

Now, the AIMS on our 777 simulator isn't an aircraft "black box" - the function of the AIMS is simulated using a number of networked computers which each simulate a function of the AIMS. The reason for this is it is much, much more cheaper to simulate (rehost) an AIMS or traditional FMS (in the case of the 737NG sims) vice using an actual aircraft box.

As I said earlier, the primary reason for acquiring this new device was the demand for additional 777 training. In one year, half of the 777 fleet will be ER and the other half will be LR. It only makes sense to have two separate trainers to keep flight crews familiar on both subtypes.

[Edited 2008-05-26 23:05:09]

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2008-05-26 23:25:45 and read 8855 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 21):
When an AMX crew is scheduled, we swap out the engine start panel and load the AMX load and their on their way.

Is there physically such a panel in the cockpit? I would have imagined that it could be software-driven...

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2008-05-26 23:58:53 and read 8817 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 21):
In one year, half of the 777 fleet will be ER and the other half will be LR.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: 777DEN
Posted 2008-05-27 00:09:42 and read 8807 times.

the 777 ends up with no panel changes on a body or engine change, the 757, 767, 747 usually have minor changes when the engine mfr changes , the usual one is the engine start/ignition panel in the cockpit overhead. The other customer option changes are either software or program pin strapping. These include things like EGPWS callout options, Instrument display options, engine ratings and customer FMC settings. the last thing that usually needs changing on a per customer basis is the FMC navigation database, as different customers have different airports and navigation procedures in their databases ( there is not enough room in most FMCs to load every airport and procedure for the whole world , not to mention the cost from the database providers)

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: IronDuke08
Posted 2008-05-27 02:34:10 and read 8735 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 19):
You quoted the answer to the very question you asked. A 777 flight crew can train on any 777 device. The cockpits - regardless of subtype - are virtually identical (in terms of hardware). With the 777 fleet soon to be doubling, we'll need twice as many pilots. That means we need another trainer.

Thanks. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure I understood clearly.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2008-05-27 06:59:01 and read 8910 times.



Quoting FalconBird (Reply 1):
They delivered it to the wrong address. This is not my house.

Great looking simulator, though.

Ummm,I am still waiting for their old 727 sim  Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Falstaff
Posted 2008-05-27 07:41:28 and read 8806 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Hell, even the coffee maker is different on the LR. But there's no coffee maker on the simulator so that wouldn't apply in this case

I guess for extended range they need a bigger coffee pot...  Silly

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: 777DEN
Posted 2008-05-27 09:05:46 and read 8693 times.

you don't want to know what it takes to operate a simulator. A typical 6 axis hydraulic motion simulator uses about 400 Amps of 3 phase 440V power to run the pumps , computers and visuals, which is about 480KW , or about 6-10 average household power requirements

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Avi8tir
Posted 2008-05-27 09:52:16 and read 8228 times.

how much do these cost? I want one for my house!!  Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Omoo
Posted 2008-05-27 09:53:40 and read 8237 times.

how much does this rig costs ?

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 10:23:20 and read 7996 times.



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 26):
Ummm,I am still waiting for their old 727 sim

All of the 727 simulators we operated were sold to Varig Log. We still have three 737-200 simulators, two of which (the oldest two) are already sold to Aviacsa. The remaining 737-200 is relatively new and will more than likely be converted to a 737-700 when the funding for that project gets approved.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Is there physically such a panel in the cockpit? I would have imagined that it could be software-driven...

Yes. The PW and GE engine rigs use a different engine start panel.

Quoting Omoo (Reply 30):
how much does this rig costs ?

Tens of millions of dollars. Not to mention the operational costs to maintain them.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2008-05-27 10:33:29 and read 7861 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 31):
Quoting United_Fan (Reply 26):
Ummm,I am still waiting for their old 727 sim

All of the 727 simulators we operated were sold to Varig Log. We still have three 737-200 simulators, two of which (the oldest two) are already sold to Aviacsa. The remaining 737-200 is relatively new and will more than likely be converted to a 737-700 when the funding for that project gets approved.

I was kidding  Smile If I had the $ and the room,I'de have one for sure!

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Revo1059
Posted 2008-05-27 10:52:35 and read 7698 times.

What are the plans with the L1011 sim?

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 11:02:30 and read 7627 times.



Quoting Revo1059 (Reply 33):
What are the plans with the L1011 sim?

The L1011 devices will be donated to colleges (GA Tech, IIRC), and a local aviation museum. L1011-1 is still in service though is seeing much less time "in the air" with the recent demise of ATA.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Xclozano
Posted 2008-05-27 11:35:23 and read 7367 times.

I got to fly DL's 737-200 sim not to long ago....  Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2008-05-27 11:40:19 and read 7353 times.

I flew an MD-11 sim out at Alteon/Boeing Long-beach. It was an amazing experience, even had some FedEx pilots in the sim watching while waiting for their time. Shame it no longer operates sim-rides, would love to get into a 73NG or 777 sim!

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-05-27 11:50:28 and read 7291 times.

Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 9):

Oh okay, so does United have a 777-200LR

No.... the newest sim at TK is a B767 bought back in 03 and is the only 767 w/ GPS. Weird DAL chose UAL over AA since UAL is Pratts :S Any logic behind that besides a good deal was given.... b/c UA seems to rent their sims out a lot compared to others. Maybe b/c they have like 5 T7s Sims alone

I doubt UA is looking for any newer sims right now even though CAE is right down the road from TK...... BUT they may be selling some 737s in the near future if anyone is interested

[Edited 2008-05-27 12:04:02]

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2008-05-27 12:00:56 and read 7139 times.



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 36):
flew an MD-11 sim out at Alteon/Boeing Long-beach

I got to ride in the back of that one,and the older 737-200,too.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: 777DEN
Posted 2008-05-27 13:28:46 and read 6625 times.

Delta is doing 767 training at UAL but not 777, and the newest sim at Denver is the #5 A320

UAL has 3 777 full flight sims , there was a 4th that was on a lease/share program with the manufacture (Thales ) but that sim was reject4d in UAL bankruptcy and ended up being sold to ANZ and moved to Auckland NZ

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Acey559
Posted 2008-05-27 14:22:29 and read 6325 times.



Quoting Xclozano (Reply 35):
I got to fly DL's 737-200 sim not to long ago....

Same here, but I got booted so we went over to the MD-90 for a while (I've got pics in my profile). I was amazed at not only the realism, but also at what it takes to run those things! I saw the room where all the computers are, and I was amazed that they're just '70s era IBM computers! I was equally amazed at the hydraulics that they use, it was all pretty impressive. My sim operator was telling me about the LR sim, so it's cool that it's finally being delivered. Congrats to DL, I'd love to head back to ATL and fly that sim, too!  Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 14:34:00 and read 6252 times.



Quoting Acey559 (Reply 40):
'70s era IBM computers

1970's? I think you're over-exadurating by about 25 years. There are a few simulators at DL from the 70's (L1011s come to mind) but a majority of them are powered by IBM F40 or F50 hosts (including the MD-90).

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 14:38:42 and read 6230 times.

To put it in perspective, the first Google server was an IBM F50...

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Acey559
Posted 2008-05-27 16:48:29 and read 5752 times.



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 41):
1970's? I think you're over-exadurating by about 25 years. There are a few simulators at DL from the 70's (L1011s come to mind) but a majority of them are powered by IBM F40 or F50 hosts (including the MD-90).

My apologies, I was just repeating what I was told. Maybe I misheard the guy, or he was just generalizing. Thanks for the info, and again I apologize for the inaccurate statement.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-05-27 16:55:41 and read 5752 times.

Slightly OT, but how does the 777 cockpit compare to a DC-10 / MD-10 / MD-11 cockpit? How much bigger is the 747 cockpit than either of those? Thanks

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 17:26:17 and read 5717 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 44):
Slightly OT, but how does the 777 cockpit compare to a DC-10 / MD-10 / MD-11 cockpit? How much bigger is the 747 cockpit than either of those? Thanks

Have you never seen any of the cockpits you mentioned?

DC10 - Noticeably older technology.
MD10/MD11 - Virtually identical cockpits (MD10 is a DC10 with an MD11 cockpit, essentially).

As for the 747, you'll have to be more specific. The 747-400 and 777 cockpits are very similar - especially more recent models of the 747-400, which share the same LCD flat panel displays as the 777. The 744 and 777 EFIS is very similar as well, most of the controls and buttons are in similar if not identical locations.

The DC10 and older model 747 cockpits (100/200/300) are for the most part "analog" whereas the 744, 777, MD10/MD11 are best described as "digital".

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 17:29:12 and read 5725 times.

747-400:

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Photo © Woody Hatchett - Nashville Aviation Photographers



777 (it should also be noted that this photo is of our 777-232ER simulator, taken by your's truly):

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Photo © Christopher Weyer - AirTeamImages



747-200:

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Photo © Tim De Groot - AirTeamImages



DC10:

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MD11:

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Photo © Daniel Alaerts - AirTeamImages

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flighty
Posted 2008-05-27 17:44:20 and read 5684 times.

Nice photos, thanks... any input on which cockpit is the most spacious? Always heard the DC-10 has a palace of a cockpit... maybe the 744 is also? Which one has the best jumpseating?

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: ZuluAviator994
Posted 2008-05-27 17:44:56 and read 5682 times.



Quoting FalconBird (Reply 1):
They delivered it to the wrong address. This is not my house.

 rotfl   rotfl 
your right, it was supposed to be delivered to my house. Hopefully they'll get the next one right  crossfingers 
lol, on a more serious note, looks tight, and im glad to see deltas keeping up with everybody Big grin
Regards

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: WESTERN737800
Posted 2008-05-27 18:56:40 and read 5607 times.

Very important, does the 777LR sim have cupholders for the pilots? Smile

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Revo1059
Posted 2008-05-27 19:14:17 and read 5605 times.

Here is a nice view from inside DL 757-1 sim from last month.

Big version: Width: 752 Height: 500 File size: 92kb
757

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-05-27 19:24:05 and read 5575 times.

very cool topic I must say!

[Edited 2008-05-27 19:35:03]

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-27 20:01:08 and read 5534 times.



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 49):
Very important, does the 777LR sim have cupholders for the pilots?

All of the simulator cockpits have to match the aircraft, so yes, if there's a cupholder in the actual airplane, so does the simulator.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: A380fo
Posted 2008-05-27 20:02:23 and read 5530 times.



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 36):
I flew an MD-11 sim out at Alteon/Boeing Long-beach. It was an amazing experience, even had some FedEx pilots in the sim watching while waiting for their time. Shame it no longer operates sim-rides, would love to get into a 73NG or 777 sim!

I go to that place quite a lot and there still doing sim-rides. Ive dont hte MD-11, and 73NG twice

Gotta Love IT Big grin

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2008-05-28 00:20:33 and read 5405 times.



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
DL upgraded the ER engines to 895s prior to the start of nonstop BOMJFK. the conversion is both a hardware and software change.

I wonder if the conversion applies to hardware and software to the GE engines as well. Two AM's 777 were originally engined with GE90-90B, but after being redelivered by ILFC, they were upgraded with the GE90-94B.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 21):
For instance, we (Delta) sell many, many hours to Aeromexico. In the case of their 767 crews, they use one our 767-332ER simulators. AMX uses GE engines on their 767s, so we have an "AMX" load built specifically for them. When an AMX crew is scheduled, we swap out the engine start panel and load the AMX load and their on their way.

Just for clarification, AM uses PW engines on the 767 fleet.

Fyano

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Jokestar
Posted 2008-05-28 05:42:10 and read 5329 times.

hahaha, the first picture makes it look like a big, futuristic toilet bowl. This looks quite different on the outside to the ones I saw at Qantas, but they are obviously far older, and use hydraulics, where (I'm guessing, due to the new E-Jet sims that Virgin recently took delivery of) uses electric motion. There certainly seems to be far less gear beneath the box.

Good for Delta!

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: SkyTeamTriStar
Posted 2008-05-28 06:59:04 and read 5286 times.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 47):
Always heard the DC-10 has a palace of a cockpit... maybe the 744 is also?

From the stories that I've heard, the 744 FD isn't as big as people might imagine.

Topic: RE: Delta Takes Delivery Of 777-200LR Simulator
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-05-28 09:18:05 and read 5234 times.



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 54):
Just for clarification, AM uses PW engines on the 767 fleet.

Ah yes, I had it backwards. The 767-3 simulator is defaulted to a -332ER with PW engines so when AMX uses that trainer the only conversion needed is software-related. When they use the 767-5 simulator (which is defaulted to a GE -332ER), we have to swap out the engine start panel to that of a PW-powered aircraft and load the AMX load. Sorry for the confusion.


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