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Topic: KLM Atlanta
Username: Swissair4ever
Posted 2008-07-15 18:57:08 and read 3232 times.

Hey guys,


Trying to book flights on KL out of ATL, and the fares to DXB are almost $3000 compared with 1500-1800 on most all other carriers. Its also booking at a much higher fare basis.

This leads me to believe that the ATL-AMS-ATL route for KLM is doing very very well.

Also, my friend flies the route b/w ATL-AMS-ATL almost once a month due to work, and his company always pays full J - class. He says that business is always full on this route.

I guess the route must be doing very well! Any thoughts? Also, in another post someone said look for NW to add additional frequency w/ there metal on routes currently only with KL.

Could they add (NW/KL) add an additional ATL route? How about upgrade to a 777 for the route or even 74M? I hear cargo mints money on this run.

Thanks guys!

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: AV8AJET
Posted 2008-07-15 19:29:56 and read 3180 times.

I would love to see KLM bring back the 747 to ATL. I still remember seeing the 743's in ATL and was sad when they left. Hopefully we'll see them again but I would expect an 772 before the 744, who knows though.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: FrontierATL
Posted 2008-07-15 19:48:15 and read 3113 times.

Well starting December 14th and stopping January 10th, KL switched this route to a 772. I guess for the holiday season? Too bad it's not permanent..

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: LHboyatDTW
Posted 2008-07-15 19:49:57 and read 3113 times.

Apparently from looking on this link, I have been able to find this which is in my opinion a bit unexpected. It's a little difficult to interpret, so hopefully we can get HB-IWC to clarify.

Amsterdam – Atlanta

Summer 08
1 Daily 332

Winter 08/09
1 Daily
X: 14DEC08 – 10JAN09=332
X: 14DEC08 – 10JAN09=772

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: N867DA
Posted 2008-07-15 20:05:45 and read 3056 times.

I've flown the route with the MD-11, B763ER, and A330. I've seen ATL-AMS go completely packed. I've also stretched out on the middle three seats in the 767 knowing that my window seat will be unoccupied. I have to say I have a soft spot for the 767 after crossing the pond so many times on the wings of that beautiful machine.

Quoting FrontierATL (Reply 2):

Well starting December 14th and stopping January 10th, KL switched this route to a 772. I guess for the holiday season? Too bad it's not permanent..

Guess who's going to ramp up spotting at ATL over the winter break?  Silly

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: LACA773
Posted 2008-07-15 20:10:16 and read 3043 times.

It sounds like this route turned out to be what KL/AF have wanted all along since they are together, and DL's their big partner and will become even bigger when the merger takes place.
It would be great to see them bring in a 772 and maybe someday they will have twice daily during the peak periods.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2008-07-15 21:46:04 and read 2899 times.



Quoting N867DA (Reply 4):
Guess who's going to ramp up spotting at ATL over the winter break?

Me?  Wink

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Avek00
Posted 2008-07-15 22:09:18 and read 2860 times.

Actually, I had the impression that ATL was one of KLM's weakest North American markets, perhaps supported much more by cargo than on strong pax traffic flows (that flight tends to be the easiest one for award seat and upgrade availability in the KLM network ex-North America).

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2008-07-15 23:16:32 and read 2756 times.



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
Trying to book flights on KL out of ATL, and the fares to DXB are almost $3000 compared with 1500-1800 on most all other carriers. Its also booking at a much higher fare basis.

This could be due to the way you're searching.
When booking through NWA.COM, as you must in this country, I learned something recently:
If you 'search by price,' it will come up with low fares.
But if you 'search by SCHEDULE,' as I always do, it comes back with you choice of flights- but in VERY high fare classes. Recently, I was comparing that very thing, and when I did a search by schedule, I got fare classes B (one tier below full Y) and Q (above the middle in the seemingly hundreds of classes).

So, beware.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2008-07-15 23:30:29 and read 2733 times.



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
Trying to book flights on KL out of ATL, and the fares to DXB are almost $3000 compared with 1500-1800 on most all other carriers. Its also booking at a much higher fare basis.

This leads me to believe that the ATL-AMS-ATL route for KLM is doing very very well.

Thats an extremely poor way to look at it. I dont know anything about the preformance of the route, but you cant gather much info just from the pricing of the route over a few days.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 4):

I've flown the route with the MD-11, B763ER, and A330. I've seen ATL-AMS go completely packed. I've also stretched out on the middle three seats in the 767 knowing that my window seat will be unoccupied.

I think that describes the majority of flights. Sometimes flights are full and sometimes they arent.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Misbeehavin
Posted 2008-07-15 23:41:23 and read 2717 times.

I've taken this flight a lot since the started using the 330 on the route - always in WBC and the cabin was full each time. So I don't know if they're doing spectacularly, but it can't be bad.

Also worth noting is that until not too long ago, ATL wasn't even daily during the winter. And now it's daily all year and they're putting a 772 on it for a few weeks. That's got to be some indication.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2008-07-16 03:18:17 and read 2501 times.



Quoting FrontierATL (Reply 2):
Well starting December 14th and stopping January 10th, KL switched this route to a 772. I guess for the holiday season?



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 3):
Apparently from looking on this link, I have been able to find this which is in my opinion a bit unexpected. It's a little difficult to interpret

The B772ER is ending up at ATL for a month because of scheduled maintenance operations in the A332 fleet. The choice was between ATL and IAD, and for now it seems to go to ATL, although it may still end up in IAD.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: DALCA
Posted 2008-07-16 04:56:25 and read 2359 times.

I even remember the times when DL came with B772 to AMS ex ATL, man that was a lovelt site on the G pier.
ATL is rather booming in all markets what I've heard lately.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Swissair4ever
Posted 2008-07-16 07:12:01 and read 2182 times.

Thanks Aveek03 and Laxdude1023.


I understand that searching for fares is not he best way to look at it, however, my point was that even searching by price, on a number of dates only higher RBD were available, compared to other carriers.


If you search in PARS/SABRE the lower booking classes are sold out for a number of days in Sept and Oct.

Also, like I said, I know a number of people who fly full fare J REGULARLY on this route.

I don't think its KLM's weakest North Am destination at all. If anything, loads to SFO remain seasonal, although good, and also IAD is not performing as well as it once did.

This info from a KL insider that I know very very well. ATL will be upgraded also to 772 year round next year. I would watch for this.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2008-07-16 10:50:53 and read 1921 times.



Quoting Swissair4ever (Reply 13):
I don't think its KLM's weakest North Am destination at all. If anything, loads to SFO remain seasonal, although good, and also IAD is not performing as well as it once did.

As it goes, ORD is not the strongest of performers, and the numbers on the new AMS DFW route are not yet in. ATL is performing on par with IAD. SFO has always been seasonal, hence the aircraft change between summer (744) and winter (MD11).

Quoting Swissair4ever (Reply 13):
ATL will be upgraded also to 772 year round next year.

I consider myself pretty well informed about what is going on at KLM, and I have heard of no such thing. There are other plans in the pipeline for new triple seven routes. That said, given the future NW-DL tie up, I guess an upgrade wouldn't be out of the ordinary, but until that time, the B772 is likely much better deployed on AMS DTW during the summer.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Globalflyer
Posted 2008-07-16 11:00:26 and read 1880 times.

That would make sense. I do not understand why Skyteam does not have more connections thru AMS vs CDG from ATL. I would much rather connect thru AMS... great airport and fairly easy connections all under one roof. Wonder why AF only fly one flight to ATL when DL will have upwards of three on occasions. I do like the 330s though much more comfortable than the 763s that we used to get.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-07-16 11:13:03 and read 1833 times.



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
Trying to book flights on KL out of ATL, and the fares to DXB are almost $3000 compared with 1500-1800 on most all other carriers. Its also booking at a much higher fare basis.

This leads me to believe that the ATL-AMS-ATL route for KLM is doing very very well.

It could also be because KL doesn't have to rely as much on lower-yield connecting traffic to fill their flights to DXB as other carriers. Don't forget that AMS is one of the few major cities in Europe that EK doesn't serve so KL has a monopoly on nonstop AMS-DXB service.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: Swissair4ever
Posted 2008-07-16 19:39:17 and read 1525 times.

Do the crew of KL621/KL622 overnight for one night only in ATL?

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2008-07-17 02:47:04 and read 1350 times.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
and the numbers on the new AMS DFW route are not yet in.

Yes they are. The numbers were better than last month- as we'd hoped.

See the thread on that topic, it came up within the last 36 hours.

Topic: RE: KLM Atlanta
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2008-07-17 07:35:48 and read 1200 times.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 18):
Yes they are. The numbers were better than last month- as we'd hoped.

You are talking about load factors. I was talking yield analysis. We'll need to wait another couple of months to get decent data about that. Yes indeed load factors have increased, but then so have load factors on all other transatlantic flights.


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