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Topic: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: UPS757
Posted 2008-08-07 07:53:37 and read 12711 times.

Tail N683UP departed Louisville for an aircraft "boneyard" in Roswell, N.M. about 1 p.m., after arriving on its final revenue flight from Newark, N.J. earlier that morning.

747 Chief Pilot Larry Parker was in the captain's seat, with Capt. Bill Baumann operating as First Officer and John Thomas in the Flight Engineer's seat.

UPS has three remaining classic 747s, all 747-200 models. They'll operate through peak 2008 before being retired at the beginning of January.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: WILCO737
Posted 2008-08-07 07:54:20 and read 12717 times.



Quoting UPS757 (Thread starter):

The good old 747-100s... Man, they are old, but they were great.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Columba
Posted 2008-08-07 08:04:03 and read 12677 times.

Too bad, I saw them in NJ last year, loved the sound of its P & W engines as they were climbing over my aunt's house, something I did not hear very often growing up in Berlin.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: CV990Coronado
Posted 2008-08-07 08:07:22 and read 12662 times.

Does anyone know the c/n and who was the original customer ? What a great aircraft I think with the DC 3 perhaps the most important civil aircraft ever.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: SLUAviator
Posted 2008-08-07 08:14:27 and read 12636 times.

Man, I just saw a UPS -100 a couple weeks ago in SDF when I was preflighting just after my before the butt crack of dawn show time! It was freakin sweet to see that thing truck down the runway!

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Usairways85
Posted 2008-08-07 08:18:41 and read 12604 times.

Used to see them all the time in PHL

Anyone know how many 744F's are online?

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: CodyKDiamond
Posted 2008-08-07 08:42:00 and read 12517 times.

How sad. Those are great planes.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: NA
Posted 2008-08-07 10:59:06 and read 12241 times.

Farewell, this big bird was worth every penny with 37 years of continuous service. Now only Kalitta and Evergreen have original 747-100s flying, freighters of cause. Very recently Logistic Air reactivated a former Tower Air 741F. HavenĀ“t seen any reports of it actually on duty.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: 747fan
Posted 2008-08-07 11:26:52 and read 12166 times.

The 747-100 served UPS well but its a shame they're all gone now.  cry 
It'll really be a shame after the Christmas season when UPS retires their last -200.
Me living only about 10 miles from the main UPS hub (SDF), the thing I'll mainly miss about UPS' 747 classics is hearing the deep growl of those PW JT9D's, what a lovely sound that not any of UPS' other aircraft can rival (except maybe the DC87's and 757's). I live under one of the downwind legs to SDF and occasionally in the late afternoon or pre-dawn/very early morning I'll hear the distinctive growl of a UPS 741/742 climbing (about 5-6K ft. over my house). Even better is hearing them when spotting at SDF, not only do they sound awesome but they're LOUD!
Beautiful planes to spot, especially with their generally shallow climbout (although I've occasionally seen them takeoff like rockets).

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Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: GeorgiaAME
Posted 2008-08-07 11:40:51 and read 12116 times.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
not only do they sound awesome but they're LOUD!

I age myself, but when they first started flying, they were amazingly quieter than the reigning 707s, DC-8s, 727s, and the very rare 737 (at least in the JFK area).

The Queen is dead. Long live the -8!

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: GARUDAROD
Posted 2008-08-07 13:34:34 and read 11926 times.

N683UP United Parcel Service (UPS) Boeing 747-121(SF) - cn 20353 / ln 131
http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/747/20353.html
Reg Aircraft Type Airline Delivery Date Engines SELCAL Seat Config Remarks
N658PA Boeing 747-121 Pan American Airways 1971-06-30
N658PA Boeing 747-121(SF) Pan American Airways 1976-07-02 cvtd -121
N818FT Boeing 747-121(SF) Flying Tiger Line 1983-02-24 cvtd -121
N627FE Boeing 747-121(SF) Federal Express (FedEx) 1989-08-07 mgd, cvtd -121
N683UP Boeing 747-121(SF) United Parcel Service (UPS) 1991-12-30 cvtd -121
N683UP Boeing 747-121(SF) Evergreen International Airlines 1996-10-07 cvtd -121
N683UP Boeing 747-121(SF) United Parcel Service (UPS) 1997-11-09 cvtd -121

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: FedExFlyerPHL
Posted 2008-08-07 20:53:10 and read 11571 times.

So when are we going to see the 744Fs in PHL? I always liked seeing the classic UPS 747s coming in from Europe to PHL in the morning on my way to work..

Jeff

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: FXRA
Posted 2008-08-08 03:44:35 and read 10570 times.



Quoting FedExFlyerPHL (Reply 11):
So when are we going to see the 744Fs in PHL? I always liked seeing the classic UPS 747s coming in from Europe to PHL in the morning on my way to work..

Jeff

Those weren't coming from Europe, at least not recently. No 744's to PHL, you'll see more MD-11's.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Marcoo
Posted 2008-08-08 03:49:58 and read 10547 times.

has anyone got an idea of the total flying hours

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Usairways85
Posted 2008-08-08 04:53:39 and read 10128 times.



Quoting FXRA (Reply 12):
Those weren't coming from Europe, at least not recently. No 744's to PHL, you'll see more MD-11's.

Correct, most of the 741's and 742's came into PHL from OAK, ONT, SDF, and CGN (before the MD11's arrived)

I'm going to guess that the 744's will initially be used on a bulk of the Asian rotations of which PHL sees none.

Shame though, PHL already sees 2-3 MD11's a day and about 6-8 763's a day. It would be nice to get a 747 in here.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: TheSonntag
Posted 2008-08-08 05:02:11 and read 10066 times.

I remember the 741s in CGN, which only came here very rarely in the last few years, although you sometimes did see them here.

They were retired from CGN because they were banned from night-time operations out of CGN a few years ago. The MD-11 may fly, because it is much quieter. I will really miss those old birds, and I can already imagine we will miss the MD-11s in some years, as well.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: JohnJ
Posted 2008-08-08 05:24:20 and read 9914 times.

One of those three 742s is used on the morning SDF-MEM flight and is a common sight on the MEM UPS ramp as it sits there all day. Memphis is of course known for FedEx but UPS does a healthy business there, with a 757 and 747 arriving from SDF within about 90 minutes each other. Any idea what the 742 on the MEM flight will be replaced with? MD-11 perhaps, or perhaps more frequencies with smaller planes?

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Usairways85
Posted 2008-08-08 05:57:41 and read 9644 times.



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 16):
a common sight on the MEM UPS ramp as it sits there all day.

Rather odd that a UPS 742 would sit on the ground in MEM for around 16 hours

Flights going from CGN-PHL-SDF only sit on the ground in PHL for around 4 hours

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: JohnJ
Posted 2008-08-08 06:42:08 and read 9308 times.



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 17):
Rather odd that a UPS 742 would sit on the ground in MEM for around 16 hours

The 747 assigned to Memphis spends very little time in the air. Looking at yesterday's stats from FlightAware, the 742 arrived from SDF at 4:37 a.m. and departed back at 10:06 p.m. It spent a whopping 2 hours flying yesterday and about 17 1/2 hours on the ground in Memphis. At least they're saving fuel...

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: 747fan
Posted 2008-08-08 08:00:27 and read 8702 times.



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 15):
They were retired from CGN because they were banned from night-time operations out of CGN a few years ago. The MD-11 may fly, because it is much quieter.

UPS currently flies MD-11's and 767's into CGN from PHL & SDF.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS213 MD-11 SDF-CGN
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS203 MD-11 PHL-CGN
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS207 B763 PHL-CGN
I believe they also use A306's/757's on the regional routes out of CGN. Also UPS flies 767's from PHL-CDG/STN/EMA and STN-SDF.
Since last summer when the 744F's started arriving, UPS' 747 classics have been used almost entirely on domestic routes primarily out of SDF (SDF-EWR/ONT/DFW/MEM). They used to be common on SDF-ANC-Asia rotations (along with the MD-11 of course) up until then. I'm pretty sure its been a few years since they were regularly used on TATL flights where they were replaced by the MD-11/767 although occasionally there would be a 741/742 sub/charter to Europe.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Usairways85
Posted 2008-08-08 08:31:09 and read 8646 times.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 19):
Also UPS flies 767's from PHL-CDG/STN/EMA

UPS does not fly PHL-STN, at least not on a regular basis. Only PHL-CGN/EMA/CDG are regularly scheduled

I believe the regularly scheduled STN flts are from SDF and EWR

On Friday's UPS has two flts PHL-CGN and then Saturday morning there are two flts CGN-PHL. Typically one is the regular MD11 and the other is a 763 as noted above. For some reason they need the extra lift on these two days because the flts litterarly come in within a hour of each other, if not less.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: UPS757
Posted 2008-08-08 08:32:22 and read 8642 times.



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 5):

UPS will have 10 - 747-400 operating by the end of 2008
The 27 - 767 will start arriving in 2009 through 2012

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: FedExFlyerPHL
Posted 2008-08-08 09:00:02 and read 8595 times.

I just saw a UPS 747 last week taking off from PHL, heading North along the river, but not climbing very much. I assume that this was a 742, but where was it going? Are they routing them from PHL-SDF?

Jeff

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: UPS757Pilot
Posted 2008-08-08 14:15:23 and read 8442 times.

The MEM flights are for a rather large contract that UPS was awarded from under the nose of FedEx. I forget which company, I think it might be Pottery Barn. It will be replaced by an MD-11. The 744s will see CGN in the near future, but will most likely bypass PHL on the way to SDF. They might send one there eventually for familiarization training for the PHL ground folks.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: 747fan
Posted 2008-08-08 14:39:57 and read 8401 times.



Quoting FedExFlyerPHL (Reply 22):
I just saw a UPS 747 last week taking off from PHL, heading North along the river, but not climbing very much. I assume that this was a 742, but where was it going? Are they routing them from PHL-SDF?

 checkmark  UPS occasionally uses 747 classics on PHL-SDF. They've also flown them in the past on PHL-ONT, but most likely the aircraft you saw was indeed going to SDF.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 20):
I believe the regularly scheduled STN flts are from SDF and EWR

You're right, thanks for the correction. The STN flight departs the US from SDF via EWR and the westbound flight goes nonstop to SDF.

Quoting UPS757Pilot (Reply 23):
The MEM flights are for a rather large contract that UPS was awarded from under the nose of FedEx. I forget which company, I think it might be Pottery Barn. It will be replaced by an MD-11.

I've noticed that with more 744F's coming in, UPS has been using more MD-11's on domestic non-hub routes such as SDF-DTW/MCO/MSP/SJU.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Nwaflyer
Posted 2008-08-08 15:15:34 and read 8351 times.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
The 747-100 served UPS well but its a shame they're all gone now.
It'll really be a shame after the Christmas season when UPS retires their last -200.
Me living only about 10 miles from the main UPS hub (SDF), the thing I'll mainly miss about UPS' 747 classics is hearing the deep growl of those PW JT9D's, what a lovely sound that not any of UPS' other aircraft can rival (except maybe the DC87's and 757's). I live under one of the downwind legs to SDF and occasionally in the late afternoon or pre-dawn/very early morning I'll hear the distinctive growl of a UPS 741/742 climbing (about 5-6K ft. over my house). Even better is hearing them when spotting at SDF, not only do they sound awesome but they're LOUD!
Beautiful planes to spot, especially with their generally shallow climbout (although I've occasionally seen them takeoff like rockets).

Not to change the subject but I certainly understand the sound. I live close to MSP and when the NW DC-10 would take off you would hear the buzz. I would always go outside to watch it fly by. That BUZZ was a great sound

Pleasant evening.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Manny
Posted 2008-08-08 15:34:39 and read 8582 times.

I saw one of these beauties at EWR just a few weeks back. It looked amazing as ever in UPS livery. Too bad they had to go.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: JohnJ
Posted 2008-08-08 18:33:06 and read 8502 times.



Quoting Nwaflyer (Reply 25):
Not to change the subject but I certainly understand the sound. I live close to MSP and when the NW DC-10 would take off you would hear the buzz. I would always go outside to watch it fly by. That BUZZ was a great sound

Come to Memphis if you like that sound - capital of the MDD three-holer world. Just about every household in Memphis, if operations are to the north, is accustomed to that sound in the middle of the night as the FedEx night sort launches around 3-4 a.m. It's just one DC-10, MD-10 and MD-11 after another, with a healthy mix of 727s and A310/300s thrown in. In this NIMBY-oriented world, I'm not aware of any noise complaints about this operation.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Jeffry747
Posted 2008-08-08 18:45:49 and read 8494 times.



Quoting UPS757 (Thread starter):
Tail N683UP departed Louisville for an aircraft "boneyard" in Roswell, N.M. about 1 p.m., after arriving on its final revenue flight from Newark, N.J. earlier that morning.

N683UP was actually scheduled to be flown to the boneyard at 6:00 am that morning, but as luck would have it, the -200 going to EWR was grounded and we had to do a tail swap. 683 got a reprieve and a chance to do one last revenue flight. I got to watch her take off on her last revenue flight.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Jkarp2112
Posted 2008-08-09 11:51:38 and read 8185 times.

I loaded many a UPS 741 during my years on a UPS Load Team in the late 80's.

Lifting 40k of containers (2 x 20k) up to deck level till it was full by using a "Main Deck" loader is something that made you say - "how the hell does this thing get off the ground with all this weight???"

I also loaded some of the first 757's and other legacy type aircraft such as the 721.

Never knew it would turn nostalgic.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: FX1816
Posted 2008-08-09 23:43:57 and read 7902 times.

That is really sad to see the classic 747's leave UPS. I really enjoyed seeing them when I was a kid at ONT when UPS first got them from AA. Tail 675UP was really special as I have a picture of myself in the cockpit just before it entered service. It's really nice to see a picture of her at ONT back in 1985 too, parked on the south side near Mission Blvd. I also enjoyed hearing one take off nightly around 2100 as I would be taking stock of the containers in the "boneyard" for FX when I worked there.

FX1816

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2008-08-10 00:31:58 and read 7901 times.



Quote:
Does anyone know the c/n and who was the original customer?

Pan Am was the launch customer for both the Boeing 707 and the 747.


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The first 747 built is on display in the Boeing Museum. The second aircraft became N747PA.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Nwaflyer
Posted 2008-08-10 11:30:14 and read 7669 times.



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 31):
The first 747 built is on display in the Boeing Museum. The second aircraft became N747PA.

I was at the museum three years ago. It looked disgusting. They should give it a bath (hopefully they have since I have been there) and you are not able to tour it since it was a test plane. It was amazing though to stand that close and see the sheer size. The retired AF1 (707) was cool to see as well (parked right next door).

What a great museum. If anyone ever gets a chance it is a must see.

Have a good day.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: ATP2033
Posted 2008-08-10 11:48:05 and read 7641 times.



Quoting CV990Coronado (Reply 3):
Does anyone know the c/n and who was the original customer ?

First flight 2 Jun 1971

Pan Am as N658PA from June 1971 to approx Feb 1983
Flying Tigers as N818FT from Feb 1983 Aug 1989
Fed Ex as N627FE Aug 1989 to Dec 1991
UPS as N683UP from Dec 1991 to Aug 2008 (although appears to have operated for Evergreen Int as N683UP between Oct 1996 and Nov 1997)

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Mls515
Posted 2008-08-10 12:22:32 and read 7613 times.

I got to catch a ride on N672UP last September from SDF-EWR. I'm glad a got to ride on one of these classics while I had the chance.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: AirAmericaC46
Posted 2008-08-10 13:27:49 and read 7551 times.

Anybody knows examples of Asian routes flown by UPS 747-100 in the past? Did it fly to Clark Diosdado Macapagal Airport in the Philippines? Thanks for the data.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: 747fan
Posted 2008-08-10 17:12:42 and read 7441 times.



Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 35):
Anybody knows examples of Asian routes flown by UPS 747-100 in the past? Did it fly to Clark Diosdado Macapagal Airport in the Philippines? Thanks for the data.

I know they were mainly used in Asia to HKG (both Chep Lap Kok and the old Kai Tak), but were also used to NRT, TPE and PVG. These flights were all via ANC and mostly originated at SDF (also some to ONT and maybe some other UPS hubs such as PHL). UPS 741's were also very common at SYD (via HNL from ONT and SDF).

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2008-08-10 17:20:06 and read 7454 times.



Quote:
Does anyone know the c/n and who was the original customer?

Just to further the trivia related to "firsts", the first commercial flight carrying passengers was performed by Pan Am flying JFK-LHR on January 22, 1970, departing in the early morning hours after a 6+ hour delay, resulting in a substitution of aircraft.

N733PA, Clipper "Young America" suffered from an overheated engine that necessitated its substitution for N736PA. However, the named "Young America" was hastily written over the title already given to N736PA, "Victor".

Clipper Victor was destroyed in the Tenerife collision in March, 1977:


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Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2008-08-10 17:30:20 and read 7408 times.

When I stopped in PHL while on a layover, I always saw the UPS 741's. I will miss seeing them during my layovers. May she RIP at the scrap yard.

Hunter

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Jetblueguy22
Posted 2008-08-10 17:38:04 and read 7398 times.

Nooooooooo. I loved going through all the pics and looking at those beauties. They are really nice aircraft. I guess I can hope that the next time I have a soda I might have a piece of a UPS 741 in the can  bigthumbsup  . Hey one could hope! I remembered reading about the retirement of the aircraft but I didn't think it was this soon.
Blue

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Hondah35
Posted 2008-08-10 18:09:51 and read 7364 times.

It's a shame to see it go, I'm sure I planned a load on that tail at least once or twice in PHX when we had some unexpected volume that needed to go to ONT during peak seasons in the late 90's. But installing that tail stand always made it a longer turn than the narrrowbodies.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: Stitch
Posted 2008-08-10 21:41:58 and read 7242 times.



Quoting UPS757 (Thread starter):
Tail N683UP departed Louisville for an aircraft "boneyard" in Roswell, N.M. about 1 p.m., after arriving on its final revenue flight from Newark, N.J. earlier that morning.

In related news, I saw 5X's newest 744F depart PAE this morning for SDF. Man what a gorgeous livery.

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: CV990Coronado
Posted 2008-08-11 06:23:09 and read 7117 times.

"Pan AM 747" you must be a great 747 fan I made a note years ago in my spotting book that N735PA was the first 747 to LHR . I think we might both be correct because this note I think refers to a proving flight in Jan 1970. I have a note of the date somewhere but I can't find it now. Do you have any more info ? This was a great time for me then as I worked for TWA in London and I did my first every flight which was on a TWA 747 (N93104) thanks

Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2008-08-11 11:02:35 and read 7005 times.

I am a HUGE 747 fan, ever since I was seven or eight years old, picking up my grandmother at LAX. I will never forget seeing a Pan Am 747 taking off - it was so big I couldn't believe anything that massive could move that fast! Then seeing it lift off so effortlessly? It wasn't possible.

But it was, and it has since been the ultimate aircraft for me.

There were many proving flights, I'm sure, that Pan Am made prior to the introduction of 747 service, but the stories I have read all jibe that N736PA, Clipper Victor, made a last minute substitution for the first flight with passengers.

Some additional information from "Boeing 747: Design & Development Since 1969" by Guy Norris & Mark Wagner (published in 1997):

  • The first 747 to venture overseas was N731PA, Clipper Bostonian, which flew to the Paris Air Show three weeks after rolling off the assembly line floor. It was parked next to Concorde number one...ahh, to go back in time for THAT!! (page 42)

  • The first incident involving damage to planes was a test of N747PA, when it taxiied out for a test flight. The right automatic braking system malfunctioned and more power was used to move out. The jet blast blew aero stands, toolboxes, a boarding ramp, and other things into N731PA, causing $5,000 worth of damage (in 1969 dollars) and injuring four. (page 44)

  • Two weeks before official FAA certification, N732PA was involved in a "crash-landing" at Renton. Boeing attempted to land what they thought was a 390,000 pound plane on only 3150 feet of runway. The 747 undershot the runway - nearly landing on Lake Moses - with the right hand body gear and wing gear striking a dit bank about 20 feet short of the runway threshold, and 30 inches below the runway level. The gear failed, but remained attached.

  • The last pre-delivery incident occured in January, 1970, when further "jetblast" testing pushed a DC-7 into the right outboard elevator of N739PA. The plane was repaired and delivered just a few days later. (page 46)

  • The first 747 to be handed over to Pan Am was N733PA, Clipper Young America, on December 12, 1969. A week later it was followed by N734PA, Clipper Flying Cloud, and Pan Am used both planes for crew training. (page 47).

  • N733PA was scheduled to fly JFK-LHR on January 21, 1970, but suffered from a faulty door-closing mechanism, the cargo loading, and then the overheating of engine number four. It taxiied out for take-off, but returned to the gate, at which time N736PA - in Pan Am's posession for all of two days - was substituted. Many had transferred to other planes, but some were determined to be on this plane (I know I would have!!). It finally left JFK at 1:50 AM, and the cost for a first class ticket was $375.

    Now, as much as I love Pan Am and its 747's, this plane is the REAL queen of UPS' fleet:


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    This plane is a genuine movie star!!

    Airport '75 - the last movie where real air-to-air photography was used...not stock footage!!

  • Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Studedave
    Posted 2008-08-11 15:44:58 and read 6877 times.



    Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 43):
    Two weeks before official FAA certification, N732PA was involved in a "crash-landing" at Renton. Boeing attempted to land what they thought was a 390,000 pound plane on only 3150 feet of runway. The 747 undershot the runway - nearly landing on Lake Moses - with the right hand body gear and wing gear striking a dit bank about 20 feet short of the runway threshold, and 30 inches below the runway level. The gear failed, but remained attached.

    WHAT? The Renton Plant sits on the edge of Lake Washington. Moses Lake is in Eastern Washington, and is where much Boeing testing went on. It continues from time to time, even to this day...

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: PanAm747
    Posted 2008-08-11 16:53:00 and read 6829 times.



    Quote:
    The Renton Plant sits on the edge of Lake Washington.

    I stand corrected, and I do not know where the "Moses Lake" came from. It's not even on the page!!

    Damn decaf!!

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: PITrules
    Posted 2008-08-12 18:55:28 and read 6669 times.



    Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
    In related news, I saw 5X's newest 744F depart PAE this morning for SDF. Man what a gorgeous livery.

    Also sitting in SDF today is the first 744 passenger conversion for UPS. Looks great with the full upper deck.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: B727LVR
    Posted 2008-08-13 10:02:10 and read 6547 times.

    I used to work in Roswell and have seen many of the Old Ldies mentioned on here. It was nice, but at times to see them just sitting there. The best part was, when one was bought or reactivated, watching it fly away. Knowing there was still some life left.

    Quoting FX1816 (Reply 30):
    Tail 675UP was really special as I have a picture of myself in the cockpit just before it entered service.

    If I'm not mistaken this was the Aircraft that was used in Airport 1975.

    Quoting Nwaflyer (Reply 32):
    was at the museum three years ago. It looked disgusting. They should give it a bath (hopefully they have since I have been there) and you are not able to tour it since it was a test plane. It was amazing though to stand that close and see the sheer size. The retired AF1 (707) was cool to see as well (parked right next door).

    What a great museum. If anyone ever gets a chance it is a must see.

    I was just there a few months ago, and I'm sad to report that she is still looking pretty bad. I think I even saw some moss starting to grow on her. You are right tho, that museum is one of the best I have been to. I have been to the Pima Air and Space Museum as well and this one ranks right up there with it. Sadly I have never been to the Wright-Ptterson one.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Jacobin777
    Posted 2008-08-13 10:45:46 and read 6518 times.

    While I'm very sad to see the 747-100 classic to go.. sad ...its time has come.... yes 

    Maybe one day we'll be seeing the B748F in UPS Colours  pray , especially given B748F production has now started.. yes 


    Boeing 747-8F Production Begins

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: B727LVR
    Posted 2008-08-13 16:40:42 and read 6434 times.



    Quoting JohnJ (Reply 16):
    Any idea what the 742 on the MEM flight will be replaced with? MD-11 perhaps, or perhaps more frequencies with smaller planes?

    I have heard that eventually that UPS wants to make the MD-11 strictly a US route only bird. I think thats a waste of an airplane if you ask me. I know the MD-11 never made its "specs" as a passenger aircraft, but as a freighter it performs very well. What do you think?

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Superfly
    Posted 2008-08-13 16:47:28 and read 6426 times.

    Was this the same one used in the movie Airport 1975 or 1977?

    I will miss seeing the 747=100 in UPS colors.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: B727LVR
    Posted 2008-08-13 17:24:41 and read 6397 times.



    Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
    Was this the same one used in the movie Airport 1975 or 1977?

    From what I understand it was Airport 1975.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: PanAm747
    Posted 2008-08-13 18:13:14 and read 6365 times.

    N9675 was the REAL star of "Airport '75" - an American Airlines 747-123 loaned to the movie production company for air-to-air photography. It came at a time when the 747 provided way too much capacity for the airlines, so AA was more than happy to make some money of a (barely) disguised aircraft around Salt Lake City.

    The registration can be clearly seen when the crippled plane is first approached by the military fighter.

    The entire movie is worth seeing, just for the air-to-air photography. You'll also be disturbed at how much of the movie "Airplane!" came from this melodrama...

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: MSYtristar
    Posted 2008-08-13 18:31:45 and read 6357 times.



    Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 52):
    The entire movie is worth seeing, just for the air-to-air photography.

     checkmark 
    Great footage of the Jumbo in Airport '75....and I have to admit, Charlton Heston wasn't too bad.
    But the 747 was the star of the film, hands down.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Superfly
    Posted 2008-08-13 20:54:41 and read 6306 times.



    Quoting B727LVR (Reply 51):
    From what I understand it was Airport 1975.



    Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 52):
    N9675 was the REAL star of "Airport '75" - an American Airlines 747-123 loaned to the movie production company for air-to-air photography. It came at a time when the 747 provided way too much capacity for the airlines, so AA was more than happy to make some money of a (barely) disguised aircraft around Salt Lake City.

    The registration can be clearly seen when the crippled plane is first approached by the military fighter.

    The entire movie is worth seeing, just for the air-to-air photography. You'll also be disturbed at how much of the movie "Airplane!" came from this melodrama...



    Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 53):
    Great footage of the Jumbo in Airport '75....and I have to admit, Charlton Heston wasn't too bad.
    But the 747 was the star of the film, hands down.

    Thanks for the info.
    There should have been some fanfare for this particular aircraft being retired.
    Airport 1975 is one of my favorite movies of all time along with Airport 1977.
    I am one of the few that like those two over the original Airport which almost always put me to sleep when I try to watch it.

    My favorite characters were the drunks boarding the flight in Dulles.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: BlueFlyer
    Posted 2008-08-13 23:23:57 and read 6278 times.



    Quoting B727LVR (Reply 49):
    What do you think?

    If I'm not mistaken (if I am, we'll find out soon enough), UPS is of the opinion that the MD-11s' dispatch reliability isn't good enough for international operations. Much easier to get spare parts to a MD-11 stranded somewhere in the US than at SYD for instance.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: B727LVR
    Posted 2008-08-14 12:27:35 and read 6164 times.



    Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 55):
    If I'm not mistaken (if I am, we'll find out soon enough), UPS is of the opinion that the MD-11s' dispatch reliability isn't good enough for international operations. Much easier to get spare parts to a MD-11 stranded somewhere in the US than at SYD for instance

    That makes sense. But I do know that UPS does keep a fair amount of parts in stock in their basesm international, and domestic. I do know that the structrual parts are somewhat of a pain to get because of what boeing did when they took over MD. At the time it may have been a good idea, but know I guess you can say that they kinda shot them selves in the foot.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Danny
    Posted 2008-08-14 12:34:18 and read 6155 times.



    Quoting 747fan (Reply 19):
    I'm pretty sure its been a few years since they were regularly used on TATL flights where they were replaced by the MD-11/767 although occasionally there would be a 741/742 sub/charter to Europe.

    Are these MD11/767 being shuffled around the fleet or is UPS going to add more of those types?

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: B727LVR
    Posted 2008-08-14 12:39:39 and read 6149 times.



    Quoting Danny (Reply 57):
    Are these MD11/767 being shuffled around the fleet or is UPS going to add more of those types?

    From what I hear UPS has aquired all the MD-11's they are going to, and I believe that WORLD may still be flying one or two that will eventually go to UPS if they haven't already. They will be getting more 767's. I think they are waiting on some lease returns and spots to open up for the door mod. But this being the aviation industry, this could have all changed. 10 or 15 times, ha.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: 413X3
    Posted 2008-08-14 13:36:09 and read 6099 times.



    Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 52):
    You'll also be disturbed at how much of the movie "Airplane!" came from this melodrama...

    airplane! is the funniest movie of all time! They took the basic plot of Airport and added comedy from all different elements. So cleverly written.

    Topic: RE: UPS Retired Its Last 747-100 "classic" Aug. 1.
    Username: Bennett123
    Posted 2008-08-14 14:29:28 and read 6065 times.

    Gemini has 4 "spare" MD11.


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