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Topic: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Rampart
Posted 2008-08-17 20:40:09 and read 8140 times.

The topic is not very eloquent, but I can't think of a better way to put it.

I think it's fairly well known that Swiss airlines (Swiss Air, Cross Air, Balair) originally displayed the Swiss red cross on their tails, and I'm assuming this was some sort of standard or regulation required of any Swiss airline. I would appreciate any of you in the know to enlighten me on the history of that.


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Seeing the new Martinair retrojet, I was struck by the similarity with KLM's old liveries. Both KLM and Martinair has a similar striped motif on the tail, though with different colors. (KLM had diagonal stripes at one point as well.) Was there some sort of standardization in The Netherlands that required stripes on the tail for whatever reason?


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Did any other nation, by policy or standardization, require a prominent display of colors or insignia as part of the livery on all their airlines? (Not counting Aeroflot or CAAC, while having many divisions were still one airline for their respective states. Also, not counting small national or state flags seen on most airlines.) I would love to hear from you historians out there.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2008-08-17 21:42:04 and read 8108 times.



Quoting Rampart (Thread starter):
the Swiss red cross on their tails

I don't believe they were required to display the white cross on their tails. The only regulation I heard was with the Swiss government forbidding Swissair to display the flag emblem on the winglets of the MD-11s and A330s. This was eventually lifted, as is evident in later shots of Swissair jets, and in the new Swiss livery.

TIS

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Oldeuropean
Posted 2008-08-17 23:13:38 and read 8005 times.

For the Swiss:

They are Swiss! They use their flag because they are just only very proud to be Swiss.  Wink

For the Duch liveries:

These stripes were very chic in Europe in the 60th. Also airlines from other countries did paint their aircrafts with similar stripes.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Oldeuropean
Posted 2008-08-18 00:06:57 and read 7941 times.

I assume that the long drawn-out Spanish flag was prescribed in Spain during the dictatorship of Franco.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Richcandy
Posted 2008-08-18 00:36:20 and read 7907 times.

Hi

When British Airways started to put world images on the tail of their aircraft in place of the union jack the new papers said that BA was anti-British. Several mp's etc questioned why BA did not have the flag on their aircraft.

The end result was that British Airways was forced to repaint their aircraft with the union jack on the tail.

I know that this was not a case that the goverment forced BA into haveing the flag on their aircraft. However the pubic wanted BA to have flag on thier aircraft and have a more British image so in way the UK pubic dictated it.

(Around the time that BA changed to the world images Virgin Atlantic started to paint the flag on their wing flips)

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Thadocta
Posted 2008-08-18 01:20:45 and read 7853 times.



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 4):
The end result was that British Airways was forced to repaint their aircraft with the union jack on the tail.

The only thing that "forced" BA to adopt a standard livery was confusion to other aircrew - clearances are often given to aircrew to "lineup behind the British Airways 757 and hold" (or similar). The plethora of tails made it hard for aircrew who were not used to flying into UK airfields to recognise BA aircraft, it was therefore a safety issue.

Dave

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: SeansasLCY
Posted 2008-08-18 02:19:28 and read 7781 times.



Quoting Thadocta (Reply 5):
The only thing that "forced" BA to adopt a standard livery was confusion to other aircrew

The famous incident with Margaret Thatcher and the handkerchief didn't really help the BA tails.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: SCL767
Posted 2008-08-18 03:53:27 and read 7670 times.

The PNM Government of Trinidad and Tobago placed their symbol, the balisier, on one of the tails of a BW Dash-8 causing a political backlash, which forced BW to remove the balisier from the tail of the Dash-8.



The Government of Barbados is also not satisfied with the flights that Caribbean Airlines operates into Barbados. Thus they will not permit any Trinidadian registered aircraft the right to place a slogan pertaining to Barbados on a BW aircraft.

9Y-BGI:



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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: TN757Flyer
Posted 2008-08-18 06:40:28 and read 7492 times.



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 6):

The famous incident with Margaret Thatcher and the handkerchief didn't really help the BA tails.

IMO, BA should have never dumped the Landor livery. It looked more "British" than the current Union Jack swoosh. I'm probably one of only 27 people on the planet that actually liked the world tails, but still miss the old crown on the tail. That was a regal, classy livery.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: OwlEye
Posted 2008-08-18 08:40:51 and read 7376 times.



Quoting Rampart (Thread starter):
Seeing the new Martinair retrojet, I was struck by the similarity with KLM's old liveries. Both KLM and Martinair has a similar striped motif on the tail, though with different colors. (KLM had diagonal stripes at one point as well.) Was there some sort of standardization in The Netherlands that required stripes on the tail for whatever reason?

Just fashion!


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Transavia did the same:


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The old Martinair (MAC Martin's Air Charter)


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: OwlEye
Posted 2008-08-18 09:15:23 and read 7323 times.

These liveries are surely dictated by the state; Air Koryo, Cubana and Aeroflot


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Rampart
Posted 2008-08-18 09:39:14 and read 7271 times.



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 4):
When British Airways started to put world images on the tail of their aircraft in place of the union jack the new papers said that BA was anti-British. Several mp's etc questioned why BA did not have the flag on their aircraft.

The end result was that British Airways was forced to repaint their aircraft with the union jack on the tail.

Yes, but I don't recall any era when ALL British airlines incorporated a similar livery element, as all Swiss airlines have. The Union Jack episode with BA was an interesting debate over their use of the flag, but it was their marketing idea alone. British (Jersey) European (FlyBe), BMI, Easy Jet, and Monarch never had to adopt a similar livery element.

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 9):
Just fashion!



Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 2):
These stripes were very chic in Europe in the 60th. Also airlines from other countries did paint their aircrafts with similar stripes.

Thanks for that, OwlEye and Oldeuropean. Stripes were the thing back then, I guess!

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 10):
These liveries are surely dictated by the state; Air Koryo, Cubana and Aeroflot

With one-airline countries (Trinidad, USSR, Cuba), the national motif or color is present in their respective airlines, but what I was wondering is if multiple airlines from a single country had a common motif, like Switzerland had. The Spanish example above is closer to what I was thinking. Aeroflot is sort of odd, while it was one airline, it still had multiple divisions and regions that retained the similar color scheme. So I guess it does fit my question.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Rampart
Posted 2008-08-18 09:41:40 and read 7260 times.



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 4):
When British Airways started to put world images on the tail of their aircraft in place of the union jack the new papers said that BA was anti-British. Several mp's etc questioned why BA did not have the flag on their aircraft.

The end result was that British Airways was forced to repaint their aircraft with the union jack on the tail.

Yes, but I don't recall any era when ALL British airlines incorporated a similar livery element, as all Swiss airlines have. The Union Jack episode with BA was an interesting debate over their use of the flag, but it was their marketing idea alone. British (Jersey) European (FlyBe), BMI, Easy Jet, and Monarch never had to adopt a similar livery element.

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 9):
Just fashion!



Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 2):
These stripes were very chic in Europe in the 60th. Also airlines from other countries did paint their aircrafts with similar stripes.

Thanks for that, OwlEye and Oldeuropean. Stripes were the thing back then, I guess!

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 10):
These liveries are surely dictated by the state; Air Koryo, Cubana and Aeroflot

With one-airline countries (Trinidad, USSR, Cuba), the national motif or color is present in their respective airlines, but what I was wondering is if multiple airlines from a single country had a common motif, like Switzerland had. The Spanish example above is closer to what I was thinking. Aeroflot is sort of odd, while it was one airline, it still had multiple divisions and regions that retained the similar color scheme. So I guess it does fit my question.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Andz
Posted 2008-08-18 10:13:05 and read 7193 times.



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 4):
the pubic

I love typos  Smile

SAA's historic flight aircraft were forced to carry the new South African flag which to me kills the authenticity of the old livery.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: VV701
Posted 2008-08-18 10:42:22 and read 7124 times.



Quoting Thadocta (Reply 5):
The only thing that "forced" BA to adopt a standard livery was confusion to other aircrew - clearances are often given to aircrew to "lineup behind the British Airways 757 and hold" (or similar). The plethora of tails made it hard for aircrew who were not used to flying into UK airfields to recognise BA aircraft, it was therefore a safety issue.

I am sorry but this is a total myth. Thjere is no requirement by bodies such as the FAA or CAA that requires any airline to adopt defined livery characteristics for a "safety issue". Indeed today there are many airlines around the world that fly with different tails on their aircraft. Here is just one:

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Clearly if BA had been made to change their livery because their tails were different, PIA and other airlines would not have been allowed to subsequently go down the same route,

The actual story of the BA Union Flag livery is as follows:

All of the BA Concorde fleet were painted in what is variously known as their Union Flag or Chatham Historic Dockyard livery following the announceent of BA World Images on 12 June 1997.

The tails were not well recived by the British media or, as noted above, by former Prime Minister Thatcher.

In April 1999 HM Queen Elizabeth was due to travel on a State Visit to Korea. On St George's Day that month BA rolled out the 763 (G-BNWR) that had just been adapted to fly her on that visit. It was wearing an adapted version of the Concorde Union Flag livery that has now become the standard BA livery across its entire fleet.

This aircraft was greeted by the British media with many plaudits, particularly as the aircraft was to carry the Queen. It proved to be a publicity coup for BA.

In May 1999 I learned during a personal conversation with a senior BA manager that BA planned to paint six subsonic aircraft in this Union Flag livery. Apparently two aircraft of each of three different types had been selected for this treatment. By the time of that conversation a second 763 had already been rolled out in the Union Flag livery, It was quickly followed by two 752s.

What the third type was I do not know but would guess it would have been the 744. This is because on 6 June 1999, following the positive reaction to the Queen's aircraft, BA announced publicly that in future all BA aircraft would be painted in the Union Flag livery.

The myth over the change being for ATC reasons did not start doing the rounds until sometime later.

Moving back to the central subject, I have noted that all the German registered aircraft I have seen are painted with the German flag. This includes the Airbus aircraft painted in their non-German airline liveries when still carrying their German test registrations. As an example here are two different BA 321s painted with the Union Flag tail but carrying the German flag alongside their registration marks:

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However 320s carrying their French test registration do not also carry the French Tricolor.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: ZRH
Posted 2008-08-18 10:54:58 and read 7095 times.

There is no law in Switzerland that airlines have to have to flag on the tail. They only do it because they think that the Swiss flag is well known and a good "brand". As I know only a small flag near the registration is required.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Rampart
Posted 2008-08-18 11:15:38 and read 7010 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):
There is no law in Switzerland that airlines have to have to flag on the tail. They only do it because they think that the Swiss flag is well known and a good "brand". As I know only a small flag near the registration is required.

If that is the case presently, was it also the case in the past (before 1990)? I can see the value in associating with the Swiss flag, but at least 3 separate carriers had identical tails, which as far as branding does not do much for differentiation. Not doubting you at all, but I do think it's interesting. Flag branding is relatively common (Finnair, South African, BEA, BA, USAir, JAL, Aeroflot, etc.), but usually not every airline in the country follows that tendency.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: ZRH
Posted 2008-08-18 11:50:09 and read 6724 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
If that is the case presently, was it also the case in the past (before 1990)?

I don't know if it was before but in our days there are enough examples without flag: Hello, Helvetic (old livery), Edelweiss, Flybaboo and others:

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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2008-08-18 11:53:15 and read 6702 times.

Speaking of which - all US registered airliners seem to display the US flag (often next to the registration), and in the "official" (military-style) manner, i.e., mirrored when seen from the right hand side. Is this some legal requirement or voluntary?

Similar customs seem to be in place in other countries, e.g., Germany, but not everywhere.

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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2008-08-18 12:02:13 and read 6619 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 18):
Olympic - no flag:

Olympic does have the flag on the a/c near the front door, connected to the EU flag.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: CYatUK
Posted 2008-08-18 12:04:42 and read 6601 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 18):
Olympic - no flag:

Actually the flag next to the EU flag is one of the older versions of the Greek flag.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-08-18 12:07:03 and read 6587 times.



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 19):
Olympic does have the flag on the a/c near the front door, connected to the EU flag.

Correct and right  checkmark 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Greece This explains the variation.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: OwlEye
Posted 2008-08-18 12:49:25 and read 6213 times.

I can imagine this livery was ordered by the state of Brunei:


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2008-08-18 12:53:37 and read 6205 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 18):
Speaking of which - all US registered airliners seem to display the US flag (often next to the registration), and in the "official" (military-style) manner, i.e., mirrored when seen from the right hand side. Is this some legal requirement or voluntary?

That part is required, and the US flag has to be displayed in the "official" style anywhere it is displayed as itself.

Stylized representations, like US' livery, don't have to be displayed correctly, because its not actually the flag.

NS

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: 8B775ZQ
Posted 2008-08-18 13:09:05 and read 6085 times.



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 6):
The PNM Government of Trinidad and Tobago placed their symbol, the balisier, on one of the tails of a BW Dash-8 causing a political backlash, which forced BW to remove the balisier from the tail of the Dash-8.

The Gov. of T&T did not place their symbol on the tail of the aircraft. The Basilier is a symbol of the ruling party but Caribbean Airlines is privately owned and operated and not a Govt. entitity like the old BW.
The tail in question did cause an uproar in the nation however as it was seen as partisan politics.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-08-18 13:16:43 and read 6026 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 17):
Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
If that is the case presently, was it also the case in the past (before 1990)?

I don't know if it was before but in our days there are enough examples without flag: Hello, Helvetic (old livery), Edelweiss, Flybaboo and others:

I think it used to be a requirement, but not in recent years. Looking at photos, I would guess the rule changed sometime in the early 1990s. You still see it on many aircraft.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: AerLingus747
Posted 2008-08-18 13:29:35 and read 6242 times.

Can anybody explain why easyjet only have the EU flag.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-08-18 13:37:16 and read 6130 times.



Quoting AerLingus747 (Reply 26):
Can anybody explain why easyjet only have the EU flag.

Funny you say that , I noticed it at LGW the other day and was wondering the same thing.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-08-18 14:03:19 and read 5993 times.



Quoting AerLingus747 (Reply 26):
Can anybody explain why easyjet only have the EU flag.

Probably because many of their flights don't go anywhere near the UK.

The A319s of their GVA-based Swiss-registered subsidiary Easyjet Switzerland have the Swiss flag next to the registration.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2008-08-18 14:42:13 and read 5715 times.



Quoting AerLingus747 (Reply 26):
Can anybody explain why easyjet only have the EU flag.

In EU countries, that's an acceptable display of registration.

Just like license plates generally just have the EU flag now.

NS

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: V1valarob
Posted 2008-08-18 14:51:45 and read 5653 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):
I am sorry but this is a total myth. Thjere is no requirement by bodies such as the FAA or CAA that requires any airline to adopt defined livery characteristics for a "safety issue". Indeed today there are many airlines around the world that fly with different tails on their aircraft.

Agreed. Whenever they tell us to taxi behind another aircraft they normally just say "Behind the embraer, airbus, etc.." If we cant tell the difference because a tail was painted differently, we don't have the brain capacity to even sit up front.

Sometimes they will use the airline name, only when its blatantly obvious. Example "Follow the Virgin airbus.. " Me: "Follow the Virgin." Big grin

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Jalapeno
Posted 2008-08-18 14:53:07 and read 5644 times.

Here we have the turtle both on the flag and the livery, with national colors as well.


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Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Jeffrey1970
Posted 2008-08-18 15:11:11 and read 5528 times.



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 8):
IMO, BA should have never dumped the Landor livery. It looked more "British" than the current Union Jack swoosh. I'm probably one of only 27 people on the planet that actually liked the world tails, but still miss the old crown on the tail. That was a regal, classy livery.

Nope, your one of 28 people who loved that livery. I loved it too. I also loved the old Pan Am livery, and the TWA one from the 70's.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: EICVD
Posted 2008-08-18 15:35:24 and read 5362 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
Probably because many of their flights don't go anywhere near the UK.

But dont FR have the Irish flag on their a/c. Many of there flights dont come anywhere near Ireland.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: TransIsland
Posted 2008-08-18 17:08:40 and read 4922 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 11):
Quoting OwlEye (Reply 10):
These liveries are surely dictated by the state; Air Koryo, Cubana and Aeroflot

With one-airline countries (Trinidad, USSR, Cuba), the national motif or color is present in their respective airlines,

Cuba is a one-airline country?


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And I am not even certain that this is the end...

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Qantas744ER
Posted 2008-08-18 17:41:06 and read 4734 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 18):
Speaking of which - all US registered airliners seem to display the US flag (often next to the registration), and in the "official" (military-style) manner, i.e., mirrored when seen from the right hand side. Is this some legal requirement or voluntary?

Similar customs seem to be in place in other countries, e.g., Germany, but not everywhere.

Funny story regarding FL.

A while back the Air Tran CEO was asked why their planes did not display the US flag like most other major US airlines, he admitted they simply had forgot to add it while the livery was being designed but that they were thinking about adding it on a future livery update.

Leo Big grin

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Tissandier
Posted 2008-08-18 20:11:06 and read 4193 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 17):
Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
If that is the case presently, was it also the case in the past (before 1990)?

I don't know if it was before but in our days there are enough examples without flag: Hello, Helvetic (old livery), Edelweiss, Flybaboo and others:

I think it used to be a requirement, but not in recent years. Looking at photos, I would guess the rule changed sometime in the early 1990s. You still see it on many aircraft.



The Swiss flag was a standard requirement, part of the Swiss Federal Aviation Office's regulations for operations of HB-registered aircraft. You can see this in many natins' aero rules books from the interwar years. That's why you see it even on the Swissair machines of the 1930s. But ALL Swiss-registered aircraft had to have a cross on their tail. The size simply varied. The proportion of the cross is the same standard proportion as required for the flags flying in Switzy and the cockades of the Swiss Air Force. SR simply made it part of their standard livery especially when they did away with the arrow logo when the new colors were introduced in late 1979. It also was convenient because there used to be a Federal law that said Switzerland had to have a national carrier (hence the mess when they had to chip in a couple billion to get SR flying again on 10/4/01 while sorting the mess out). The rule about the Swiss flag was relaxed in the early 1990s, partly because of deregulation (e.g. Easyjet Switzerland with HB-registered airbuses).

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Sr100
Posted 2008-08-18 21:35:11 and read 4048 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
I think it used to be a requirement, but not in recent years.

Acutally it was required by the Federal Office for Aviation to display the Swiss flag on all air vehicles, which is no longer the case. This was valid for Austria as well, where a similar regulation was in place.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Rampart
Posted 2008-08-19 00:22:03 and read 3980 times.



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 34):
Cuba is a one-airline country?

I stand corrected, thanks. I should have known to double check that. Thus, Cuba is not a country that satisfies my original question. Cubana's livery is derived from the national flag, but it is not a national requirement for all airlines to do that. At least recently.

Quoting Sr100 (Reply 37):
Acutally it was required by the Federal Office for Aviation to display the Swiss flag on all air vehicles, which is no longer the case. This was valid for Austria as well, where a similar regulation was in place.



Quoting Tissandier (Reply 36):
The Swiss flag was a standard requirement, part of the Swiss Federal Aviation Office's regulations for operations of HB-registered aircraft.

Those replies finalized the answers to my original question, thanks! And I now know that Austria also falls into the category in my question. But The Netherlands did not.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Wolflair
Posted 2008-08-19 01:23:54 and read 3928 times.

As far as I am aware, many authorities in charge of registering aircraft do have the requeriment of the corresponding flag being displayed somewhere in the a/c.

Mexico is also one of those cases: if the a/c is XA- XB- or XC registered, then it must display the mexican flag in an "official" manner (i.e. it must mirror the opposite side of the plane).

Interestingly, both MX and AM inspired their logos in the same element: the "Caballero Aguila" (my free translation would be "Eagle Knight"), which was a warrior figure during the Aztec's times. As a side note, there is also the word of the MX logo being actually just the artist's impression of the eagle in the Mexican Flag.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: AirNZ
Posted 2008-08-19 01:58:50 and read 3909 times.



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 4):
When British Airways started to put world images on the tail of their aircraft in place of the union jack the new papers said that BA was anti-British. Several mp's etc questioned why BA did not have the flag on their aircraft.

The end result was that British Airways was forced to repaint their aircraft with the union jack on the tail.

British Airways have never had the Union Flag on the tail of their aircraft.......how many times must this be pointed out?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
Probably because many of their flights don't go anywhere near the UK.

Eh? Are you sure you know what you think you are talking about?

Quoting EICVD (Reply 33):
But dont FR have the Irish flag on their a/c. Many of there flights dont come anywhere near Ireland.

They are still an Irish airline.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: EICVD
Posted 2008-08-19 12:02:37 and read 3695 times.



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 40):
They are still an Irish airline.

Then why dont U2 have the union jack instead of the EU flag?

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Antonovman
Posted 2008-08-19 12:06:10 and read 3687 times.



Quoting EICVD (Reply 41):
They are still an Irish airline.

Then why dont U2 have the union jack instead of the EU flag?

Probably cos theyre owned by a greek guy

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-08-19 12:30:04 and read 3649 times.



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 40):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
Probably because many of their flights don't go anywhere near the UK.

Eh? Are you sure you know what you think you are talking about?

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Easyjet have hubs all over Europe and many of their flights operate between two cities in continental Europe, not touching the UK. For example, they serve approximately 30 destinations nonstop from Berlin (SXF), of which only 6 are in the UK. Am I missing your point?

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-08-19 12:36:42 and read 3636 times.



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 42):
Quoting EICVD (Reply 41):
They are still an Irish airline.

Then why dont U2 have the union jack instead of the EU flag?


Probably cos theyre owned by a greek guy

I think he's Cypriot.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: VV701
Posted 2008-08-19 12:41:14 and read 3625 times.



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 40):
British Airways have never had the Union Flag on the tail of their aircraft.......how many times must this be pointed out?

I guess the first people you should try yo convince is BA themselves. They certainly think that they paint the Union Flag on the tails of their aircraft. Here is the start of their Press Release dated 6 June 1999:

"British Airways flies the flag

"British Airways Chief Executive Bob Ayling is ordering the painting of the Union Jack on over half the airline's tail fins.

"Up to 160 aircraft will 'fly the flag' reflecting the importance of the UK market. This will be incorporated into the existing paint programme at no additional cost.

"The Union Jack design is already featured on all the Concorde fleet and an increasing number of sub-sonic aircraft including the Boeing 767 which flew the Queen on a state visit to Korea in April."

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: EICVD
Posted 2008-08-19 15:31:25 and read 3565 times.



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 42):
Probably cos theyre owned by a greek guy

Now that does make sense.

Topic: RE: Some Airline Liveries Dictated By Nation?
Username: SCL767
Posted 2008-08-19 15:49:01 and read 3538 times.



Quoting 8B775ZQ (Reply 24):
Caribbean Airlines is privately owned and operated and not a Govt. entitity like the old BW.

BW is not privately owned.


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